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lugs are nice.... but $450 rifles that shoot like $1500 rifles are better.... It has always amazed me at how EVERY budget rifle owner thinks their gun shoots like a more well equipped/expensive gun. Every Tikka owner, Savage owner, Howa/Vanguard owner, etc. The latest to the party is the Ruger American owner. I will tell you a little secret, they all shoot equally well. And claiming one to be more accurate than the rest is nothing more than brand biased hogwash. What I can also tell you, is that the Tikka is a budget rifle in every way, except price. Compare it, part for part, with any of the others mentioned, and then tell me why it costs more money when you, in fact, get less............
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Equally, well they all do go bang when operating correctly. Equally accurate? Not seen any head to head scientifically controlled studies. Less? Well, I think when working a Slick as Butter T3 vs a Clunky Ruger AR, the T3 IS More, quality. Nice adjustable trigger to boot and side bolt release. Ruger makes good bbls, in-house, but I do not believe they are equal of Sako, which is who mfg. Tikka. Suffice to say, Many rifles, esp in 243 will shoot better than many can hold them off a bench. I'd not take a RAR in trade on my T3, just me. Like Ice Cream and Women, they all come in different flavors. All Equal? Well you decide 
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lugs are nice.... but $450 rifles that shoot like $1500 rifles are better.... It has always amazed me at how EVERY budget rifle owner thinks their gun shoots like a more well equipped/expensive gun. Every Tikka owner, Savage owner, Howa/Vanguard owner, etc. The latest to the party is the Ruger American owner. I will tell you a little secret, they all shoot equally well. And claiming one to be more accurate than the rest is nothing more than brand biased hogwash. What I can also tell you, is that the Tikka is a budget rifle in every way, except price. Compare it, part for part, with any of the others mentioned, and then tell me why it costs more money when you, in fact, get less............ never said every.... you did. But, every Tikka I've been around has been a no fuss machine.... and all have been sub-MOA accurate, easily. I'm not giving up the Manners stocked custom .260 any time soon... but the Tikka is a great alternative for 1/3 the dough. Let me let you in on a little secret.... here's the $450 rifle being shot right next to the $1500+ rifle... the $1500 one ain't 3x more accurate.... or even measurably more accurate. Admittedly, I don't have a ton of data on the tikka, but it's promising. ![[Linked Image]](http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r325/dogdownproductions/671C7C22-CF56-4FA4-B0D1-71239572F862_zpsj5kblj7r.jpg)
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That is my point. On any given day you an stack up a Tikka vs. a Savage vs. a Vanguard vs. a RAR, etc. and it's a crap shoot every time. My beef is that Tikkas come with plastic magazines, plastic bolt shrouds, plastic trigger guards/stocks, and a 10� free floating chunk of aluminum "recoil lug". Not to mention one action length. It is clearly a cost-cutter rifle if there ever was one. For those who wish to claim it performs just as well, fine. I don't feel plastic outperforms metal. But even it it did, when did plastic start commanding a higher price than metal? How Beretta gets what they get for a Tikka is amazing. Given the pieces, it should cost LESS than the others, not more. No way it should cost any more than a RAR. Because I guarantee you it doesn't cost more to produce. What's more, replacement parts are priced ridiculously, often out of stock, and Beretta customer service is beyond horrible. I just can't see a reason to choose/own one. Half the rifle is made by the Lego division of Playskool, as subcontracted by Fisher Price. Anyhoo---I will let you kids wth your regularly scheduled program now. I have said enough, and I know it 
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Glocks are plastic.... XDs are plastic.... M&Ps are plastic.... and I'd wrap a dozen 1911s around trees to claw my way any of them. Just cause it's metal... don't mean it's better. I've run them side by side through the same stages.... again, it ain't a guess.
Haven't seen a lug be a problem.... but I could see how it could, if you didn't know how to properly reassemble a rifle.
Never seen a Tikka that's an accuracy "crap-shoot"... in fact, I bet they're the most renowned 'out of the box accurate' rifle around.... so much so, that it's become a joke.
Keep trying to justify those $3000 sticks....
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Equally, well they all do go bang when operating correctly. Equally accurate? Not seen any head to head scientifically controlled studies. Less? Well, I think when working a Slick as Butter T3 vs a Clunky Ruger AR, the T3 IS More, quality. Nice adjustable trigger to boot and side bolt release. Ruger makes good bbls, in-house, but I do not believe they are equal of Sako, which is who mfg. Tikka. Suffice to say, Many rifles, esp in 243 will shoot better than many can hold them off a bench. I'd not take a RAR in trade on my T3, just me. Like Ice Cream and Women, they all come in different flavors. All Equal? Well you decide Have you actually looked at or handled a RAR? They're certainly not clunky, feel as mooth as any Tikka I ever handled, they have an adjustable trigger and a side bolt release. David
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You can read right here on this website, and in many other forums, of broken bolt shrouds and bent "recoil lug thingys" if you wish. And sorry, but I just don't relish a 243 on a long action. Don't you know that every Savage owner feels that Savage is the most accurate out of the box? And every Vanguard owner too. And Remington owner. And now the new RAR owners. LMAO. Just like everyone in prison is innocent. C'mon man.... 
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That is my point. On any given day you an stack up a Tikka vs. a Savage vs. a Vanguard vs. a RAR, etc. and it's a crap shoot every time. My beef is that Tikkas come with plastic magazines, plastic bolt shrouds, plastic trigger guards/stocks, and a 10� free floating chunk of aluminum "recoil lug". Not to mention one action length. It is clearly a cost-cutter rifle if there ever was one. For those who wish to claim it performs just as well, fine. I don't feel plastic outperforms metal. But even it it did, when did plastic start commanding a higher price than metal? How Beretta gets what they get for a Tikka is amazing. Given the pieces, it should cost LESS than the others, not more. No way it should cost any more than a RAR. Because I guarantee you it doesn't cost more to produce. What's more, replacement parts are priced ridiculously, often out of stock, and Beretta customer service is beyond horrible. I just can't see a reason to choose/own one. Half the rifle is made by the Lego division of Playskool, as subcontracted by Fisher Price. Anyhoo---I will let you kids wth your regularly scheduled program now. I have said enough, and I know it Have you ever actually used a Tikka, shot a Tikka, or even handled a Tikka?
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You can also read on this website 1000 posts of excellent Tikka accuracy and reliability.... for every one post on lugs or bolt shrouds. I've read ten thousand posts on broken Rem. bolts.... or extractor woes.... or shoddy accuracy... or out of whack chambers... or faulty triggers.... or whatever. I still use them.... so do you I bet.
Every rifle is a series of compromises.... Tikka compromises in the right places.
You act as though you've run a few Tikkas.... I'd love to hear/see what your actual field/shooting results were.... and how your shroud broke.... and your recoil lug failed....
What two rifles would you suggest the OP build.... since one rifle for both is obviously so uncivilized?
How much performance would be gained by doing so?
At what cost?
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I have handled and shot every rifle, scope, and bullet I have ever commented on in 10 years here. Unless otherwise noted.
They shoot. So what? So does damn near every other CF rifle on the market. Some even offer you metal over plastic, real recoil lugs, true short actions, and good customer service FOR LESS MONEY.......
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Every rifle is a series of compromises.... Tikka compromises in the right places. First off, you should read more of bad Remingtons, given that they outsell Tikka by probably 10-20 to 1. THERE ARE A $HIT TON MORE OF THEM OUT THERE. Secondly, If you think compromising on the recoil lug '"is the right place", that tells me all I need to know of your rifle I.Q. And every rifle is NOT a series of compromises. Though all of yours very well may be......
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Every rifle is a series of compromises.... Tikka compromises in the right places. First off, you should read more of bad Remingtons, given that they outsell Tikka by probably 10-20 to 1. THERE ARE A $HIT TON MORE OF THEM OUT THERE. Secondly, If you think compromising on the recoil lug '"is the right place", that tells me all I need to know of your rifle I.Q. And every rifle is NOT a series of compromises, IMO. Though all of yours very well may be...... I'm the one with the actual experience.... with the pics and vid to prove it.... which one does that make you? Fords out sell Chevs.... does that make them 'better'.... More people voted for Obama.... does that make him the 'best'? Nice work answering the questions....
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I see hundreds of rifles shot for hundreds of rounds every year. No factory rifles shoot as consistently as Tikkas. Not Remingtons, Savages, Rugers, Kimbers or Winchesters.
Sure almost all can be made to shoot, however I've yet to see a Tikka require more than just good factory ammo to shoot well which is not something that a lot of other rifles can not say.
Fantastic barrels, great triggers, actions that are square, and there are no surprises. They're not magic but they are good rifles.
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Why are people hung up on recoil lug design? All a lug does is keep an action from moving. Either it works as intended or it doesn't.
I think Weatherby's and Ruger's recoil lug design is far more retarded than a Tikka's.
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You can buy an aftermarket Ti lug, if you so choose.
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I have always made fun of Tikkas and probably always will. I think they are way over-fuggin'-priced for what they are. I remember when they were cheap they kinda made sense, but now they're too much [bleep] money. I've bought pre-Garcia Sakos for $50.00 over the cost of a new Tikka. That's insane. They came out with this CTR and so far I really like it. Bottom metal is metal and the long action and detachable box mag are working well with the chamber and throat. It's a .308. Shot this, this evening @ 220yds. Four shots. 10mph cross wind. Groups at the 4 and 5 were just as UBER. ![[Linked Image]](http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/deflave25_2008/image1_zpsb6eefd6d.jpg) We'll see how it does in the long run. Clark
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Thought about the Creed, but I have a 270 thats a shooter, and I just can't see enough real world difference just for the cool factor. But it does indeed have a cool factor. LOL! By "cool factor" do you mean availability of much higher BC bullets being launched from a smaller efficient case, which delivers less wind drift, and greater down range velocity/energy? I agree, sounds like a cool window dressing!
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Why are people hung up on recoil lug design? All a lug does is keep an action from moving Instant classic right there.....
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You guys are funny.
I'd like to keep the recoil low for watching hits. I don't think the Creed can do that from a similar weight rifle as a 243. If it can, sign me up with the Creed cool kids.
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Every rifle is a series of compromises.... Tikka compromises in the right places. First off, you should read more of bad Remingtons, given that they outsell Tikka by probably 10-20 to 1. THERE ARE A $HIT TON MORE OF THEM OUT THERE. Secondly, If you think compromising on the recoil lug '"is the right place", that tells me all I need to know of your rifle I.Q. And every rifle is NOT a series of compromises, IMO. Though all of yours very well may be...... I'm the one with the actual experience.... with the pics and vid to prove it.... which one does that make you? Fords out sell Chevs.... does that make them 'better'.... More people voted for Obama.... does that make him the 'best'? Nice work answering the questions.... You sure do have a way of MISSING a lot of points. Cuz that went right over your head. Read it again....
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