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M1 .30 Carbine, SAAMI MAP is 40K PSI.
Is there a load that will drive a 150-180 grain cast bullet from that cartridge around 1,000-1,100 fps within SAAMI MAP limits?
Thanks,
Dan
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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As a good rule, QuickLOAD will give much better outputs the more detailed the inputs. ***USE THIS DATA AT OUR OWN RISK***I used a barrel length of 18" and all the defaults in QuickLOAD (which I generally don't like to do). I trimmed out all the loads that didn't give 1000+ fps or that had a an estimated powder burned below 85% (too dirty/inefficient). Normally I check QuickLOAD for sanity against published data, but this heavy of bullet in the .30 carbine is uncharted territory. Be careful with these computer guestimated loads. =Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 150, LEE C309-150-F
Useable Case Capaci: 12.061 grain H2O = 0.783 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.680 inch = 42.67 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
13 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon Lil'Gun 104.6 12.1 0.78 1732 99.6 40611 2553 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 102.6 12.3 0.79 1714 93.0 40611 2705 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 102.7 12.3 0.79 1679 95.5 40611 2529 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 93.2 10.6 0.69 1639 99.4 40611 2200 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 93.2 9.8 0.64 1629 98.8 40611 2185 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 95.9 11.0 0.71 1614 97.0 40611 2186 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 106.0 11.0 0.71 1595 86.1 40611 2327 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 110.0 10.4 0.67 1589 98.4 34608 2200 1.306
Accurate No.9 81.3 9.7 0.63 1589 99.6 40611 2005 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7 73.9 8.9 0.57 1576 100.0 40611 1841 1.272 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 96.1 8.7 0.56 1575 100.0 40611 1885 1.272 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 96.9 8.4 0.55 1554 100.0 40611 1643 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant POWER PISTOL 78.5 6.9 0.45 1529 100.0 40611 1669 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 91.2 8.3 0.54 1523 100.0 40611 1621 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 110.0 11.2 0.73 1514 85.8 34439 2135 1.347
Hodgdon H4227 110.0 11.2 0.73 1501 85.8 32226 2166 1.373
Vihtavuori 3N37 79.8 6.9 0.44 1419 100.0 40611 1313 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 82.8 6.7 0.43 1407 100.0 40611 1278 1.357 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 90.1 6.3 0.41 1404 100.0 40611 1290 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 80.3 5.8 0.37 1372 100.0 40611 1210 1.385 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 70.5 5.2 0.34 1365 100.0 40611 1215 1.385 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 78.4 5.8 0.37 1330 100.0 40611 1095 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 74.6 5.3 0.35 1301 100.0 40611 1059 1.440 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 74.3 5.4 0.35 1288 100.0 40611 1015 1.451 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 80.1 5.3 0.34 1275 100.0 40611 983 1.455 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 77.0 4.5 0.29 1245 100.0 40611 970 1.483 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 78.2 4.8 0.31 1244 100.0 40611 953 1.485 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 73.5 4.8 0.31 1227 100.0 40611 902 1.503 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 76.8 4.7 0.31 1220 100.0 40611 905 1.503 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 80.2 4.4 0.29 1215 100.0 40611 911 1.514 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 100.9 5.6 0.36 1150 100.0 40611 764 1.583 ! Near Maximum !
Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 160, LEE C309-160-R
Useable Case Capaci: 11.483 grain H2O = 0.746 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.680 inch = 42.67 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
13 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon Lil'Gun 104.3 11.5 0.74 1652 99.8 40611 2410 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 102.3 11.6 0.75 1636 93.5 40611 2569 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 102.4 11.6 0.75 1602 95.9 40611 2400 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 92.9 10.1 0.65 1562 99.5 40611 2076 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 92.9 9.3 0.60 1552 99.0 40611 2062 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 95.6 10.4 0.68 1539 97.4 40611 2069 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 105.7 10.5 0.68 1522 86.7 40611 2217 1.320 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 110.0 9.9 0.64 1520 98.8 35020 2084 1.355
Accurate No.9 81.1 9.2 0.60 1514 99.8 40611 1890 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7 73.6 8.4 0.54 1500 100.0 40611 1731 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 95.8 8.3 0.54 1499 100.0 40611 1773 1.327 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 96.5 8.0 0.52 1477 100.0 40611 1544 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant POWER PISTOL 78.2 6.6 0.43 1453 100.0 40611 1570 1.346 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 110.0 10.7 0.69 1450 86.5 34750 2040 1.397
Vihtavuori 3N38 90.8 7.8 0.51 1448 100.0 40611 1523 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 110.0 10.7 0.69 1437 86.6 32520 2071 1.424
Vihtavuori 3N37 79.6 6.5 0.42 1348 100.0 40611 1235 1.415 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 82.5 6.4 0.41 1337 100.0 40611 1202 1.420 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 89.8 6.0 0.39 1334 100.0 40611 1214 1.428 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 80.0 5.5 0.35 1303 100.0 40611 1138 1.450 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 70.3 4.9 0.32 1296 100.0 40611 1143 1.450 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 78.1 5.5 0.36 1263 100.0 40611 1030 1.478 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 74.3 5.1 0.33 1235 100.0 40611 996 1.509 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 74.0 5.1 0.33 1222 100.0 40611 954 1.520 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 79.8 5.1 0.33 1210 100.0 40611 924 1.525 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 76.7 4.2 0.27 1182 100.0 40611 913 1.554 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 78.0 4.6 0.30 1181 100.0 40611 896 1.557 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 73.2 4.5 0.29 1164 100.0 40611 847 1.576 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 76.6 4.5 0.29 1158 100.0 40611 852 1.576 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 80.0 4.2 0.27 1153 100.0 40611 856 1.587 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 100.6 5.3 0.34 1092 100.0 40611 718 1.660 ! Near Maximum !
Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F
Useable Case Capaci: 9.845 grain H2O = 0.639 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.680 inch = 42.67 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
13 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon Lil'Gun 107.8 10.2 0.66 1528 99.4 40611 2102 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 105.8 10.3 0.67 1512 92.3 40611 2214 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 105.8 10.3 0.67 1480 94.9 40611 2074 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 96.1 8.9 0.58 1446 99.2 40611 1804 1.379 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 96.0 8.3 0.54 1435 98.5 40611 1787 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 98.6 9.2 0.60 1421 96.6 40611 1786 1.394 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.9 83.7 8.1 0.53 1400 99.5 40611 1640 1.405 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 108.6 9.2 0.60 1399 85.2 40611 1891 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7 76.1 7.4 0.48 1390 100.0 40611 1505 1.410 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 98.9 7.3 0.47 1388 100.0 40611 1542 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 100.0 7.1 0.46 1371 100.0 40611 1338 1.412 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant POWER PISTOL 80.7 5.8 0.38 1347 100.0 40611 1360 1.431 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 93.8 6.9 0.45 1342 100.0 40611 1319 1.438 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N37 82.0 5.7 0.37 1249 100.0 40611 1064 1.506 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 85.1 5.6 0.36 1238 100.0 40611 1034 1.513 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 92.6 5.3 0.34 1236 100.0 40611 1045 1.520 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 82.4 4.8 0.31 1207 100.0 40611 978 1.546 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 72.3 4.3 0.28 1200 100.0 40611 981 1.547 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 80.4 4.8 0.31 1168 100.0 40611 883 1.578 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 76.5 4.5 0.29 1143 100.0 40611 853 1.611 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 76.2 4.5 0.29 1131 100.0 40611 817 1.622 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 82.0 4.4 0.29 1119 100.0 40611 790 1.630 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 78.6 3.7 0.24 1092 100.0 40611 779 1.664 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 80.0 4.0 0.26 1092 100.0 40611 765 1.666 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 75.2 4.0 0.26 1076 100.0 40611 723 1.685 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 78.4 3.9 0.26 1070 100.0 40611 726 1.688 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 82.0 3.7 0.24 1065 100.0 40611 730 1.700 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 103.1 4.7 0.30 1008 100.0 40611 611 1.779 ! Near Maximum !
Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 180, LEE C309-180-R
Useable Case Capaci: 9.333 grain H2O = 0.606 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.680 inch = 42.67 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
13 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon Lil'Gun 107.8 9.6 0.62 1459 99.5 40611 1980 1.374 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 105.8 9.8 0.63 1444 92.6 40611 2094 1.396 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 105.8 9.8 0.63 1414 95.1 40611 1960 1.417 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 96.1 8.4 0.55 1380 99.3 40611 1698 1.435 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 96.0 7.8 0.51 1370 98.7 40611 1682 1.443 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 98.7 8.8 0.57 1357 96.8 40611 1684 1.450 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 108.6 8.7 0.57 1336 85.6 40611 1791 1.469 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.9 83.7 7.7 0.50 1336 99.6 40611 1543 1.463 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7 76.1 7.1 0.46 1325 100.0 40611 1412 1.469 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 98.9 6.9 0.45 1323 100.0 40611 1448 1.470 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 100.0 6.7 0.44 1307 100.0 40611 1255 1.472 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 110.0 8.0 0.52 1301 97.5 31143 1665 1.558
Alliant POWER PISTOL 80.7 5.5 0.36 1284 100.0 40611 1277 1.493 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 93.8 6.6 0.43 1279 100.0 40611 1237 1.499 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N37 82.0 5.4 0.35 1189 100.0 40611 998 1.572 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 85.0 5.3 0.35 1179 100.0 40611 971 1.579 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 92.5 5.0 0.32 1177 100.0 40611 981 1.587 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 82.4 4.6 0.30 1149 100.0 40611 917 1.614 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 72.2 4.1 0.27 1142 100.0 40611 921 1.616 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 80.4 4.6 0.30 1112 100.0 40611 828 1.649 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 76.5 4.2 0.27 1088 100.0 40611 800 1.684 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 76.2 4.3 0.28 1077 100.0 40611 766 1.696 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 82.0 4.2 0.27 1065 100.0 40611 741 1.704 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 78.6 3.5 0.23 1039 100.0 40611 731 1.741 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 80.0 3.8 0.25 1039 100.0 40611 717 1.742 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 75.1 3.8 0.25 1024 100.0 40611 678 1.763 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 78.4 3.7 0.24 1018 100.0 40611 680 1.766 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 81.9 3.5 0.23 1014 100.0 40611 685 1.779 ! Near Maximum !
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Holy cow, thanks a heap! Lot of info there!
Dan
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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My main reason for examining this issue is potentially a new barrel on a T/C Contender with a can on the end. This will serve as a good reference and I appreciate it.
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I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Azar, if you don't mind I would appreciate seeing a similar run with the LEE C309-180-R; C.O.A.L of 2.300" in the velocity range of 800-1100 fps. If you can, take the minimum load density filter out of the equation.
Thanks!
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Dan, The bullet isn't long enough for that COAL. It would be completely out of the case. Although, QuickLOAD's bullet database isn't always correct. It's best to measure a bullet and overwrite the defaults. I don't suppose you happen to have bullets cast from that particular mold that you could measure? At a COAL of 1.680" QL shows a seating depth of 0.620 (so fairly deeply seated). The .30 Carbine appears to have a neck length of right around 0.308". So with 100% neck tension that would give you a COAL of 1.992". Going as low as 75% neck tension (my personal minimum) would give you a COAL of 2.070". And I can't completely take the minimum load density out of the equation as 29% is lowest allowed. ***USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK***Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 180, LEE C309-180-R
Useable Case Capaci: 16.677 grain H2O = 1.083 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.070 inch = 52.58 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Winchester 296 86.2 14.2 0.92 1711 98.8 40611 3445 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 87.3 13.9 0.90 1690 100.0 40611 3012 1.272 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 109.7 18.1 1.17 1685 87.9 40611 3614 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 108.5 16.1 1.05 1678 94.6 40611 3392 1.275 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 86.8 14.3 0.93 1671 99.7 40611 3168 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 101.9 14.3 0.93 1654 97.6 40611 3153 1.274 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 110.0 15.4 1.00 1644 98.3 36811 3205 1.308
Accurate 1680 95.1 15.7 1.02 1641 90.5 40611 3259 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 110.0 18.5 1.20 1638 84.4 38732 3535 1.301
Accurate 2200 107.2 16.7 1.08 1634 85.5 40611 3293 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 91.9 13.2 0.86 1633 94.8 40611 3188 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 100.0 14.1 0.91 1632 96.7 40611 3066 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 96.9 12.6 0.82 1626 100.0 40611 2699 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 110.0 15.2 0.98 1623 93.5 37852 3230 1.309
Hodgdon H4198 106.9 15.4 1.00 1609 88.2 40611 3079 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 78.6 12.3 0.80 1608 100.0 40611 2628 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 81.5 12.9 0.84 1606 100.0 40611 2708 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 78.7 11.5 0.74 1605 100.0 40611 2632 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 110.0 16.0 1.03 1590 90.1 31169 3415 1.393
Accurate No.9 69.2 11.4 0.74 1563 100.0 40611 2415 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 81.8 10.2 0.66 1537 100.0 40611 2284 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 110.0 15.8 1.02 1534 89.1 30736 3102 1.423
Accurate No.7 62.5 10.4 0.67 1533 100.0 40611 2226 1.334 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 110.0 16.4 1.06 1529 86.8 28125 3249 1.458
Vihtavuori N105 81.0 9.7 0.63 1492 100.0 40611 1998 1.357 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 77.5 9.7 0.63 1480 100.0 40611 1987 1.356 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant POWER PISTOL 66.8 8.2 0.53 1479 100.0 40611 2053 1.354 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.5 50.8 8.8 0.57 1463 100.0 40611 1965 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon HS-6 55.9 8.5 0.55 1383 100.0 40611 1665 1.409 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N37 68.5 8.1 0.53 1373 100.0 40611 1646 1.419 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Longshot 53.2 8.2 0.53 1366 100.0 40611 1614 1.420 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot True Blue 52.7 8.2 0.53 1364 100.0 40611 1608 1.421 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 540 51.9 8.2 0.53 1363 100.0 40611 1605 1.422 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 71.2 8.0 0.52 1363 100.0 40611 1606 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 77.3 7.5 0.48 1358 100.0 40611 1621 1.431 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WAP 57.1 7.6 0.49 1333 100.0 40611 1534 1.443 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Silhouette 56.9 7.6 0.49 1331 100.0 40611 1527 1.445 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 69.1 6.9 0.44 1328 100.0 40611 1530 1.451 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 61.3 6.2 0.40 1325 100.0 40611 1546 1.448 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2 51.1 6.6 0.43 1294 100.0 40611 1409 1.468 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 68.1 6.9 0.45 1292 100.0 40611 1401 1.474 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 64.9 6.4 0.42 1264 100.0 40611 1357 1.502 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 64.5 6.5 0.42 1250 100.0 40611 1301 1.515 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 70.1 6.4 0.42 1243 100.0 40611 1273 1.514 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 231 56.2 6.5 0.42 1239 100.0 40611 1281 1.518 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Zip 50.2 6.5 0.42 1239 100.0 40611 1281 1.518 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon HP38 55.1 6.4 0.42 1231 100.0 40611 1261 1.524 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 68.5 5.5 0.36 1220 100.0 40611 1271 1.536 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 69.1 5.9 0.38 1217 100.0 40611 1243 1.540 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 64.7 5.8 0.38 1199 100.0 40611 1176 1.559 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 68.5 5.8 0.38 1198 100.0 40611 1194 1.554 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 71.4 5.5 0.35 1193 100.0 40611 1197 1.563 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon TiteGroup 47.5 5.9 0.39 1187 100.0 40611 1162 1.565 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N310 56.6 5.1 0.33 1130 100.0 40611 1030 1.626 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Clays 69.1 5.1 0.33 1125 100.0 40611 1037 1.623 ! Near Maximum !
Cartridge : .30 Carbine
Bullet : .309, 180, LEE C309-180-R
Useable Case Capaci: 15.209 grain H2O = 0.987 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.992 inch = 50.60 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 40610 psi, or 280 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Winchester 296 89.2 13.4 0.87 1671 98.2 40611 3199 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 90.5 13.2 0.85 1657 100.0 40611 2817 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 89.7 13.5 0.87 1633 99.4 40611 2950 1.304 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 104.8 13.5 0.87 1608 96.6 40611 2904 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 110.0 14.9 0.97 1604 92.6 38204 3066 1.324
Accurate 1680 97.8 14.7 0.96 1592 88.9 40611 2972 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 100.2 11.9 0.77 1592 100.0 40611 2518 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 102.9 13.2 0.86 1587 95.6 40611 2819 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 94.5 12.4 0.80 1587 93.6 40611 2925 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 110.0 16.5 1.07 1585 84.5 37142 3185 1.338
Accurate 2200 110.0 15.7 1.01 1580 83.6 40611 2981 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 81.2 11.6 0.75 1574 100.0 40611 2451 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 81.3 10.8 0.70 1569 100.0 40611 2454 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 84.1 12.2 0.79 1569 99.9 40611 2524 1.324 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 109.8 14.5 0.94 1559 86.5 40611 2796 1.322 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 110.0 14.1 0.91 1553 96.5 33272 2894 1.383
IMR 4198 110.0 13.8 0.90 1530 90.7 34645 2865 1.383
Accurate No.9 71.4 10.7 0.69 1529 100.0 40611 2246 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 84.3 9.6 0.62 1504 100.0 40611 2120 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.7 64.5 9.7 0.63 1500 100.0 40611 2066 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 110.0 14.6 0.94 1491 86.6 27974 3008 1.479
Vihtavuori N105 83.8 9.2 0.60 1463 100.0 40611 1853 1.374 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 79.9 9.1 0.59 1449 100.0 40611 1839 1.376 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant POWER PISTOL 68.9 7.7 0.50 1448 100.0 40611 1901 1.373 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 110.0 14.4 0.93 1440 85.7 27770 2728 1.508
Accurate No.5 52.3 8.3 0.54 1431 100.0 40611 1817 1.381 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon HS-6 57.5 8.0 0.52 1352 100.0 40611 1535 1.431 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N37 70.4 7.6 0.49 1344 100.0 40611 1518 1.441 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Longshot 54.7 7.7 0.50 1336 100.0 40611 1487 1.442 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot True Blue 54.2 7.7 0.50 1334 100.0 40611 1481 1.444 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N350 73.2 7.5 0.48 1333 100.0 40611 1481 1.447 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 540 53.3 7.7 0.50 1333 100.0 40611 1478 1.445 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 79.5 7.0 0.45 1328 100.0 40611 1494 1.454 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WAP 58.6 7.1 0.46 1303 100.0 40611 1412 1.467 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Silhouette 58.4 7.1 0.46 1301 100.0 40611 1406 1.469 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant UNIQUE 71.0 6.4 0.42 1299 100.0 40611 1408 1.475 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BULLSEYE 62.8 5.8 0.38 1295 100.0 40611 1422 1.473 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2 52.4 6.1 0.40 1264 100.0 40611 1293 1.494 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N340 69.8 6.5 0.42 1263 100.0 40611 1286 1.500 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal 66.5 6.0 0.39 1235 100.0 40611 1246 1.529 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N330 66.1 6.0 0.39 1221 100.0 40611 1194 1.542 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1250 71.8 6.0 0.39 1213 100.0 40611 1166 1.542 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 231 57.5 6.1 0.40 1209 100.0 40611 1173 1.546 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Zip 51.3 6.1 0.40 1209 100.0 40611 1173 1.546 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon HP38 56.3 6.0 0.39 1201 100.0 40611 1154 1.553 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100 69.9 5.1 0.33 1190 100.0 40611 1162 1.566 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT 70.6 5.5 0.36 1187 100.0 40611 1137 1.570 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N320 66.1 5.4 0.35 1169 100.0 40611 1075 1.589 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000 69.9 5.4 0.35 1168 100.0 40611 1090 1.585 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT 72.9 5.1 0.33 1162 100.0 40611 1093 1.595 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon TiteGroup 48.4 5.5 0.36 1157 100.0 40611 1061 1.597 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 91.7 6.4 0.42 1102 100.0 40611 923 1.665 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N310 57.6 4.7 0.30 1100 100.0 40611 936 1.663 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Clays 70.1 4.7 0.30 1093 100.0 40611 941 1.662 ! Near Maximum !
Hopefully you can find a safe load that meets your criteria. Don't blow yourself (or your firearm) up.
“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” ― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
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Thanks is not sufficient, so in the spirit of possibilities, if you ever find yourself headed down this way, let me know! Drinks are on me! And more.
The actual bullet I developed that OAL from is the NOE 180 FN seated ~.300" deep w/ a custom chamber cut. It measures 1.085" long. SAAMI spec on the case length for the .30 Carbine is 1.29" and you are correct, I miscalculated on that. The 2.07" COAL is a good reference.
Thanks again, and your note of caution is not lost on me. Just a ballpark guess at present, but the initial loads will probably start at about 70% of what is indicated as Max on your tables. The objective is 'quiet', not thunder.
Started looking at increasing OAL when I saw the load density projections and looked at a bullet/case combo at the 1.68" COAL. Trying to imagine what it would take to stuff 12-13 grains of Li'l Gun in the remaining space made me twitch a little. Powders of choice will likely be Bullseye, Red Dot and maybe Clays.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Just a follow up to the info that was previously run for me: As I have been reading around the forums and comparing information, I decided to test out the Optimum Barrel Time calculator, I found posted at http://www.the-long-family.com/OBT%20tool%20V1.xls I measured my barrel length as 23.7 inches from the bolt face to the recessed crown. I plugged this info in the calculator and came up with multiple predicted nodes where the harmonics should be optimized on my gun. I used the quick load data that was run for me here, and figured out that 42.1gr was the last predicted node, before I started exceeding chamber pressure. I worked my way up to this load today, and was surprised at the results. I shrunk a 5 shot group to a .333 inch group at 100 yards when I reached 42.1 gr of RL17, which was about half the comparable loads. I was super excited to see the predictions come to life. I'm new to the forum, but I'll try and figure out how to attach a picture as well.
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