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I've got a basic question. I only watched the vid once, so bear with me if I'm off base relative to the incident.

If an officer tells me that I'm under arrest and to put my hands behind my back and I don't immediately comply (I'm mean within a second) am I resisting arrest?

Garner certainly wasn't getting violent and was merely acting incredulous. The guy grabbing him from behind didn't seem to give him much time to comply.

As to the fact that he said he couldn't breath, pretty clear that he was in considerable distress and felt as though he couldn't due to the fact that he died moments later.

IMHO the cops over reacted. And FWIW, I generally support cops.

Travis,

Remember, she was on a Grand Jury once and they voted. Then, the mean old prosecutor made them rethink their vote, twice. Instead of being done with their civic duty and having the balls to stand by their vote, she and the others caved in, committed a miscarriage of justice, and then just gave the DA whatever they asked for.

Cowards don't care about facts or evidence; they just want to be left alone.

But he had every opportunity to make change.

Multiple meanings exist. All are correct.

as I understand it

Homicide is the generic term to describe when one person kills another person, regardless if it was intentional, unintentional, pre-meditated or not-pre-meditated. Murder, however, deals with the malicious intent to commit a killing.

could be wrong but that is my understanding

When in high school i was boxing/wrestling with a good friend.
Joe out weighted me by at least 150 pounds.
I got in a lucky hit on his breast bone and he fell,started saying he couldn't breathe.

Being concerned i got off him and helped him up.
what happened next was he hit me and i think i lost breath for quite a while.
And he clobbered me real good.

I don't blame him for tricking me,i learned a lesson.
Could the same thing have happened with the cops in NY?

KWFA, Since we are not the GJ, I will offer my conjecture.

You are blaming the cops, when the medics are the ones that were "let go".

So, let go of your hate, and resort to the duck theory.

There you may find the reason for the death......





And for the record, I was a medic as well.

That may be. I was only trying to add to the discussion for those who may be confused about why there was no indictment in this case.



Travis

Please, answer his question.

Correct he was not violent but he was pulling away and resisting none the less. Had the officers continued to try to make the arrest without using force he could have easily turned violent. They made a decision based on their experience as police officers, I can't condemn them for that.

Yeah, but yelling "F'K the MEDICS" doesn't have the same panache to it.

All homicides mean a killing. All murders are homicides,not all homicides are murders. People die every day of sudden exertions. High School football players do. Undiagnosed condition of some sort. If one has ever had to take down a full grown man esprcially one the size of Garner, they would know just how difficult it is to do if they ain't cooperating. Someone somewhere is going to die from that encounter and nobody can make the call as to which one. It all comes down to legality.

its not hate - if that was the case, I'd have a problem with Wilson in Ferguson - and I don't think Wilson should have even gone to the Grand Jury.

I'm not arguing the arrest or the cops taking him down - I just have a problem with the I can't breathe part, even understanding that cops see this frequently from people complaining about cuffs to tight or whatever.

There is no time limit.

Again. The totality of the circumstances would all be weighed to determine whether the officer's actions were reasonable, or if they were unreasonable.

The video does not tell the whole story by any means but most Use of Force Instructors would raise an eyebrow at how that arrest was handled. Not saying it was wrong, as I don't know all the evidence of the case. But it is certainly questionable.

But (obviously) legal in the state of NY.


Travis

" The I can't breathe" part...as item pointed out a few pages ago is what they say right before they try to kill you.

You need to spend a little time on the street.

or apparently right before they have a heart attack

I could be off base here but the definition of homicide does not change but the degree (first, second, ect...) define intent.

Okay, idiot, how EXACTLY is the cop supposed to know the difference? And, which do you think is really the more common?

Further, why do you think the EMTs were called? WTF is their job?

I hate to repeat myself, but for you I will.

You need to spend some time on the street.







As hard as you may find it to believe, besides assault, theft, and all other forms of malfeasance, sometimes these people lie ...even under duress.

Yeah, bad time to have a heart attack no doubt, but that ain't on the officers.

What, no answer?