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HERETIC!

Poob's you gotta admit Brad's 270 comment was more than true.


Sorry but the 270 is way better....grin

Huh???? I think you have your x57's confused, there weren't that many casualties in the Spanish-American and Boer Wars.

Rev, I know you guys don't like pigs on your properties but I will Damn sure argue that you REALLY don't want wolves on your places, as I have! Keep your bowler pulled on tight and your Mauser clips loaded.-Muddy

7x57... Euro Trash

7x57... Euro Metrosexual Trash

Looking at all the facts, the 7x57 today is much more gay than the 270.

So instead of no love, I think it may be the wrong kind of love.

I plan on turning the tide back across the pond

I am still sitting in silence at the realization that I was not to put my 7x57 Featherweight in a tupperware stock. Last year my daughter bought me the factory Winchester Featherweight tupp stock that is an exact replica of the wood one...checkering, schnabel forend, the whole nine yards. Just couldn't bring myself to hunt with such a beautiful woodstock.

Have I unduly defiled a classic??? Am I now considered a Samaritan???

Pastor Dan,
I am the opposite, I have an unused Featherweight Tupperware stock and have never bolted and action into it. I am not opposed to the idea but so far, all of my plastic stocks have been removed and replaced with walnut.

I like wood.

John

I lied,
Just recalled a .338 that is still in the plastic shroud they call a stock.
John

Used very effectively by Boer marksmen to force the British into a truce. There was nothing metrosexual about the Boers!

When i think "7x57", I think Bell,Corbett and Eleanor O'Connor....Mauser 98's, blue steel, impeccable metal work,and handcrafted wood stocks,classic design and I would not own a 7x57 again that was not built that way. No plastic tip bullets please.....geeeezzz!

I also think of stodgy old farts dragged kicking and screaming out of the 20th Century.

OTOH, the 7/08 reminds me of little rifles, mostly synthetic stocks and SS,people with short arms to manage the teeny actions. I put a Kimber Montana 7/08 on layaway last week (this will be my second Montana in 7/08,and maybe 4th or 5th 7/08) so maybe I will like the outfit better next time around.

Sounds like my 7x57, though a lowly Jim Wisner M96 Swede.

Ed: Exactly!

No, you would be considered a cretin, at best.

Bob,

I'm 6'7" with a 39" sleeve length. I have always had a preference for short actions. This was so even as a young guy and now that I am old, with an artificial right shoulder, it stands even more so.

My first model 70 was my new haven classic f.w. .243. I permanently loaned it to a guy 10 years ago. The guy passed last winter, but at Christmas time hr gave the rifle back to me.
this is the rifle that sold me on the model 70 action. Never modified or altered in any way, my coyote hunting buddy could most days get sub 1/2 inch groups with most any load. I shot it nearly as well...

I have enough toys to keep me busy, but this rifle will see more than it's share of use...

Actually, adding wolves to a place infested with pigs might help balance things out a bit.

In Southern WV, true European wild boars were introduced years ago. They are slowly fading out, possibly due to coyote depredation, although bears are also very common on the area and love pork.

The DNR seems resigned to the demise of the population, as the seasons remain pretty much the same as they've always been.

Oh...

And even the 7-08 is lacking when compared to the .308. I mean, what was big green thinking trying to emulate the ballistics of an obsolete loser???

Just to show I wasn't always a complete heretic, I recently found and scanned this old photograph of some of my 1980's rifles...

From Top to bottom...

Savage 99EG 308 Win
Ruger 77 RS 358 Win
Ruger 77 RSI 7x57
Ruger 77 RSI 250 Savage
Ruger 77/22 22lr

Go Brad

Back in the middle pages of this thread there was quite a bit of comment on the fact that Kudu had misstated that the Springfield rifle and cartridge were introduced in 1901.

Well, actually, if he had said "developed in 1901" he would have been correct. At the Springfield Armory the the new rifle and cartridge were called "The Experimental Rifle and Cartridge of 1901" while they were going through the final testing before being adopted as the "U.S. Magazine Rifle, Model of 1903, Caliber .30." and "Cartridge, Caliber .30, 1903", with the 220 gr round-nosed bullets at 2,200 fps.

While the rifle copied many of the design features of the Mauser rifles, so did the new cartridge, which borrowed generously from the 8mm Mauser (7.9x57), and the 7x57. The US used the same rimless design and the same head and case dimensions (.473") that were previously not found in American cartridges.

The US made our case longer than the Mauser case and slightly shallowed the shoulder angle to 17 degrees, 30 minutes from the slightly over 20 degrees used by Mauser.

We thought we had a leg up on the Germans because our new 1903 cartridge launched its bullet faster than the German 226 gr at 2,093 fps. But then in 1905 the Germans introduced their new 8mm load with a 154 gr spitzer bullet at 2,880. Almost before our cartridge was getting well distributed, our cartridge was already obsolete.

Our response was the introduction in 1906 of the 150 gr pointed bullet at 2,900 fps. At the same time, the unnecessarily long neck of the 30 Govt., as it came to be called, was shortened by .070" to .385" which is still slightly longer than either Mauser case neck.

Thus the 30-06 cartridge was born. Some sporting rifles were chambered for the 30-03, primarily the Winchester M-1895 lever action. 30-06 cartridges would safely fire in the 30-03 chambers, though accuracy sometimes suffered. The cartridge companies still supplied 30-03 cartridges up until at least WW-I. The 30-03 case would not safely chamber into a 30-06 rifle due to its longer length.

In conclusion, one can truthfully say that the Springfield rifle and the early long-neck version of the 30-06 cartridge were "developed" in 1901.

And one can also say that the 30-06 cartridge was derived from the 8mm Mauser and its classier little brother, the 7x57.