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Eventually came to the conclusion that he enjoyed telling people he owned a 30-378, far more than he enjoyed shootin' it.
Laughin'........yeah, they're not much fun in a sporter weight gun, alright, (but nothing vicious like a full blown 378 Wby which is worse than a 458 or a 416, IMO). But in a heavy setup & high BC bullets, they are an awesome LR rifle if that's your cup of tea. MM
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IMO if one wants a hot rod 300 really the best choice for a variety of reasons is the 300 ultra and Shrapnel is spot on in regards to the 180BT. I would not.hesitate to use it on anything a 30 Cal mag is appropriate for.
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Real interested to try Reloader 23 when it's out, even though I have a few pounds of 22
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point.
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Regarding Ballistic Tips bullets: The early BT bullets seemed somewhat fragile and the later bullets are much better.
I prefer classic.
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point. I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure.
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30/378 excepted. But cripes I have never seen one of those used by anybody I rather enjoy mine (moose, caribou, and elk to date).
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I take a venture here and say I don't think you can get enough H1000 in a 300 Win Case to be over pressure... someone with Quick Load may be able to debunck that or prove it is so...
but all I know, is that I have had no pressure issues since using H1000 in my pair of 300 Winchesters, which working up are easily giving Muzzle Velocity well into 300 Weatherby territory...
with 165 grainers right up to my favorite, 220 grainers running right at 2950 or a little more... but not exceeding 3000 fps...
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point. I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure. No doubt he is over pressure.
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I've seen 3100 easily, in my .300 Win mag, with 26" barrel. I've actually been a good deal higher, but the cases were expanding too much.
.300 Wby factory ammo with 165gr NBT's ran 3425 fps, out of my 26" barreled Mark V Ultralight. Claimed velocity is only 3350. Factory claimed velocity with 180's is 3250; if the same trend holds, the low 3300's may be possible.
Assuming Bullwhacker judges "max" in his .300 Wby the same as he judges it in his .300 Win mag, I would not dismiss his loads as excessive without seeing them myself.
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Well you have the throat variable going on in the Weatherby...how long is the freebore and how tight the throat is will have a big influence on how much powder you can safely burn without pressure in an individual rifle. Each rifle is a unique sample of "1".
Some of the loads that Roy Weatherby gave me when he was building the rifles would likely take a newer rifle apart, but the cases didn't show any pressure signs.
I don't see the point of running 180s to the max though. If more downrange performance is the goal, a sleek heavier 200-220 gr bullet from an accurate 300 Win at several hundred fps less will hang with the 180 AB out of the Weatherby past 5-600 yards.
I always liked my Weatherby for 200 NP as a go to load. I only ran the 180s for reduced loads when I didn't need a blaster back when it was my only rifle.
But the 180 AB, at 3200 fps...that should be doable in most Wby rifles and is a very good LR load... I would want to find the most accurate load.
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point. I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure. Wonder out loud how much 7828 was used? I have seen 3240 or so from a .309 groove 300 Weatherby with freebore. For me loads doing over 3300 fps with a 180 would have me backing off...just sayin'.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point. I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure. Wonder out loud how much 7828 was used? I have seen 3240 or so from a .309 groove 300 Weatherby with freebore. For me loads doing over 3300 fps with a 180 would have me backing off...just sayin'. treading on 30-378 velocities if indeed they are going that fast
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I have several points of comparison for the Win vs the Weatherby. I've worked up loads in 3 different 300 WM with 180 Gr Accubonds in the past year. Powders were RL22 and 7828. All three seemed to max out around 3100fps, plus or minus 50 fps. Barrel length was 24" on two and 26" on the third. One Lilja, one Benchmark, and one factory MT Rifle Barrel. This fall I had the factory MT Rifle rebarrelled to a 300WBY in a Lilja barrel, 26in. I did limited load work due to timing prior to hunting season. 180 Accubonds over 7828 reached 3345fps and 180 TSX reached 3326fps over 7828. Accuracy was comparable on either with sub 5 shot 2" groups at 300 yards with little work.
I would recommend the 300WM to anyone that purchases ammunition and the 300WBY to anyone that reloads or is comfortable with a much smaller yet more expensive selection of loaded ammunition but wants a few fps and the name WBY. I happen to be a Weatherby fan and have several other WBY calibers so a 300 was a must at some point. I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure. Wonder out loud how much 7828 was used? I have seen 3240 or so from a .309 groove 300 Weatherby with freebore. For me loads doing over 3300 fps with a 180 would have me backing off...just sayin'. 
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Maybe I'm easy to please but I have been satisfied with 180s running 3100-3150 in the Win Mag.
BTW - I still have all fingers, nose, and eyes. Just sayin.
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I highly doubt you are at those velocities without being over pressure. No doubt he is over pressure. No doubt this benighted statement adds no value to the thread.
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The powder weight is 86.5 Gr., 0.5 Gr above the max load of 86.0 Gr published for Weatherby calibers by IMR. Stated velocity is 3240 for 86.0 Gr. I questioned the velocity as well but averaged 20 rounds on two different days. I also verified the ballistics out to 900 yards and was within an acceptable margin of error.
The factory Weatherby casings actually show more signs of pressure than I am seeing with this load by inspection. I also checked through case expansion to double check. The only significant variable is the Wby has a 3 groove barrel and obviously free-bore. Overall it is a great load. Great accuracy, great velocity and acceptable pressure.
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Hogdon list a max load of IMR-7828 at 80.5 grains behind a 180 grain bullet in the 300 Weatherby. Hogdon lists 86.5 grains as max behind a 180 grain bullet in the 300 RUM http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle
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I don't know what gives with the current Hodgdon data. That's a good bit less powder and velocity compared to what I used to use/get with my old blue metal can 7828.
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I found Bullwhacker's data here. Page 51. Interesting stuff. http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/imr_reloading.pdf
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