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Just came in passion of a Winchester 92 in 32/20 circa 1907. Having some trouble with the feeding. Some times it will feed fine and other time the shell will lift to high and not go into the chamber correctly. Thought that I would give it a good cleaning first and then maybe a total teardown. Does anybody have a video that will help me with the teardown? Maybe a copy or post it. I feel better seeing what to disassemble and it what order. Thanks for the help.
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Something like this can often by corrected by a shim behind the cartridge guide, which closes the gap at the rear where the rim of the case gets lifted up through the guides, making the rim of the case lift higher, so that the nose of the shell doesnt face plant into the top of the chamber and jam up.
The right hand cartridge guide is more accessable. Unscrew the right hand cartridge guide screw(screw above the loading gate on the outside) and the cartridge guide will come lose on the inside of the action, (Just a strip of metal with a groove in it) you can then wiggle it out. Put a thin folded strip of aluminum from a beer can where the guide fits into (without covering the screwhole) and then fit the cartridge guide back over the top and screw it in. Try working a few cartridges through the action and see if it has improved.
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This is very simple. My dad always said there are 2 kinds of people that work on guns; gunsmiths and idiots.You just need to ask yourself which you are...
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How do you determine that a gunsmith isn't an idiot?
If you've never encountered less than competent gunsmiths, you must live in a different universe than I do. A lot of shooters do their own work not necessarily because they want to, but because they can't readily access a competent gunsmith to do what needs to be done.
More to the point, these days there are few gunsmiths that are experienced with the intricacies of lever actions, and therein lies the practical problem.
That's my take based on my experience. As the saying goes, YMMV.
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How do you determine that a gunsmith isn't an idiot?
If you've never encountered less than competent gunsmiths, you must live in a different universe than I do. A lot of shooters do their own work not necessarily because they want to, but because they can't readily access a competent gunsmith to do what needs to be done.
More to the point, these days there are few gunsmiths that are experienced with the intricacies of lever actions, and therein lies the practical problem.
That's my take based on my experience. As the saying goes, YMMV.
Paul Paul, my mileage DOES NOT vary! I have given up finding a reputable competent conscientious gunsmith in my area. I have taken up working on my Savage 99's as a matter of necessity. It is very rewarding to learn the mechanisms and repair them myself, but the learning curve is time consuming.
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Yep, and you have a world of company.
The really competent gunsmiths have more business that they can ever hope to handle.
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I used to live in Grants Pass, Oregon. One of the gunsmiths there told me to avoid a particular shop, he was so bad he kept the other 5-6 gunsmiths in town employed just fixing his mistakes. He wasn't kidding.
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I bought a 100 year old Win 1892, weighed it, took it apart, cleaned it, and within a couple hours, put it together again. It had lost MORE than a pound. That was a lot of dirt. So I told my brother. He said "HA!", becuse he did it as teen ager with nothing but an exploded drawing, and he knew I used youtube. It was true I used youtube. And NRA firearm disassembly book 1975 that has a page on the 1892 with instructions. Most anyone could do this rifle with that info. 1) This guy on youtube, Jim Green, I really like. He shows how to take apart a Win 1886 [like a big Win 1892] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTywA_y0sPA2) Here is the book: If you can't read this fine print, you could: 1) do control + on you keyboard to make it bigger and control - to make is smaller. 2) Right click on the pic and save to your desktop. Then manipulate the pic in what ever viewer is on your computer. I like Irfanview. That is a free download. Off topic: The same easy effort for the 1892 is not true for the Winchester 1895 that had even more dirt. But there is no youtube on it. And I cannot find instructions. I found a bad exploded drawing of the 1895. I had to figure out some things were impossible and make slave pins.
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Good job.
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Off topic: The same easy effort for the 1892 is not true for the Winchester 1895 that had even more dirt. But there is no youtube on it. And I cannot find instructions. I found a bad exploded drawing of the 1895. I had to figure out some things were impossible and make slave pins.
I know what you mean. I've had '92s and '86s torn down but the '95 I did recently was a whole 'nother animal!
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Elkermarty - if you'd like it, PM me. I mistakenly ordered a Winchester 1892 disassembly manual online the other day from Homestead, when what I meant to click on was a *Marlin* 1892 disassembly manual. You're welcome to it, just PM me your address.
And if Elkermarty doesn't need it any more, one of you hooligans may have it.
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Please put me in the holding pattern as next to land and purchase your Winchester 1892 manual.
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