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I shot a few deer with an old 32 Special- Even that old low velocity chugger could churn up some meat if I put the bullet through meat-
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Sometimes, to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Can someone post a pic of a recovered/mushroomed Scenar so that we can see how they look? 139gr scenar recovered from the mule deer in the background...
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Had great results with the 168 or 180 VLD or JLK.
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Had nothing but good luck with 160 accubonds h4831 powder. Used this combination in a sako fiberclass 7 mag since about 2001. Whitetail, mule deer and elk also many many coyotes. I have never been led to believe terminal performance could have left something to be desired. Interestingly the coyotes suffered less damage then many I shot with varmint rifles(most of the time). To me this is one of the finest combinations I have used. I have messed around with many calibers and load combinations, but this is the one that ends up hunting with me more often than not.
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Can someone post a pic of a recovered/mushroomed Scenar so that we can see how they look? 139gr scenar recovered from the mule deer in the background... Thanks. Do they expand and penetrate consistently both close and far (both high and low velocities)?
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175 LRAB 168 LRAB 168 LRX Bergers after these
Good choice on the twist btw. Longer 7mm bullets are in our future....
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Thanks for the kind words!
Dunno if I can come up with a list of five bullets, but do have some comments on the ones you list, and an additional bullet to suggest.
I dunno where your friend is hunting, but bighorns can be bigger-bodied than any other North American sheep (unless, of course, they're desert bighorns). The heaviest on record here in Montana went 302, and I am sure there have been quite a few others at least that big. This doesn't require vast penetration, but the size is similar to a big mule deer, and with an angling shot a possibility I'd prefer a little stouter bullet than the Hornady 139 BTSP. I've used that bullet a lot and while it normally works great, I've also seen an occasional Hornady BTSP come apart, especially when pushed fast.
One consideration you listed is cape damage, one area where the Berger VLD might not be the best choice. They can exit on game that size, and when they do the hole is typically pretty large.
In my experience Partitions typically leave fairly small exit holes, because the front core blows off and essentially leaves a wadcutter with a little fringe of peeled-back jacket. I just ran the numbers for a 150 Partition at 3200 fps (easily possible in the 7mm RM) and wind drift at 500 is even a little less than with the 160.
In addition, in my experience the 150 Partition is often easier to get to shoot really accurately than either the 140 or 160 Partitions. The late Chub Eastman suggested that to me years ago, when I was having difficulty getting 140's or 160's to shoot in a very accurate custom .280, and it sure worked in my rifle. Have seen the same thing several times since in cartridges from the 7mm-08 and 7x57 to various 7 mags.
To John's point, the 7mm 150 gr PT is a fantastic bullet! 7mm 150 gr PT shot from my 280 AI at a MV of 3015 fps (61.0 grs RL 22) and recovered in the 6th jug at 100 yds. Recovered weight 101.7 grs, expanded to .678". JD338
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I have been through a number of 7mmRM bullets and settled on the 140 gr Nos Bal Tip at 3400 fps with H4350.
I had over 100,000 posts on usenet before there was a gun forum on www. I have seen it all on gun forums, and I know there is no point in arguing terminal ballistics.
You can talk, but don't argue. There is too little data and too much out of control variables. We each have to form our own opinion from scant anecdotes and gun culture mythology.
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Saw the aftermath of a 139 hornady from a 7 Rem Mag on a nice desert ram earlier this month. The ram was DRT at 178yards and the cape damage at the exit seemed minimal as we skinned it for a full body mount. I'd go with whatever was most accurate in the rifle if just for the confidence factor... Sako264- rocky mt can weigh 350 , desert ram 150-175. i shot my rocky with 168 berger, 7mm. went about 3/4 the through. very accurate. ram went about 10 yards. my experience with the 7mm mag with a 139 horn btsp, 140 sierra btsp, or a 140 accubond on big mule deer all excellent. the speed of the 140 grain bullets at 0-500 yd make up for bc. if i was hunting rocky mtn ram i would use a tougher bullet like the 139-140 mentioned. the hard part is drawing the tag.
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The mature deserts I've helped with as well as my own seemed much closer to 200 pounds. I'm sure a Rocky is bigger though.
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