Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Long Range Hunting " I know that scopes are aimers not lookers"

If the max you can see or shoot is 300 yards, you don't need a hubble on you rifle. Unless you're Elmer Fudd.

Apparently I am. The deer with four points on both sides was only 88 yards away. It was still a little dark at 8:15 AM because I hunt the west side of the hill. Also there was total overcast with just a hint of fog. But I have discovered from many side by side comparisons with other guys that I usually need as much as a third more magnification to see the same thing through optics. And yet the optometrists tests my corrected vision at 20/15.

As recently as yesterday my son-in-law said,
"There's a deer." In about three seconds I said,
"I see it." Then he told me,
"There are only two guys who can find what I am talking about that fast. You and cousin Rick."

I think "cousin Rick" is in a game spotting league above son-John and me, though. He is more like Shannon who uses 7X binos to judge antlers 2 miles away.

Didn't see that coming?

Couldn't agree more

20/15 and need a Hubble for 300 yards and in, got it.

I agree. Most folks do.

If someone has me in there rifle scope I take that as a major threat and I will proceed to defend my life.

The good news is if you accidentally shoot me you won't go to prison for a hunting accident.

The other good news is if I shoot you for glassing me it was nothing more than an accidental discharge.

Carry On

Shod

I wonder if I'm the only one that has tried to give the benefit of the doubt - and this thread removed all?

Lots of folks here are like the good people of Ferguson, Mo. They make up their minds and then look at the facts of the case. miles

After reading some of the responses on this forum on this topic it has given me a complete understanding of why people feel the need to buy clothing like this.



CR

Wow! I too slip behind trees and rocks when walking out of the woods. Seen animals shot over a hunter stalking same animal. If I saw the stalking hunter the shooter had to have seen the same. Being between an animal and a shooter can be very scary. Scopes narrow FOV adds to the problem.
Never had a problem identifing a game animal and its quality with my binos and try to take notice of other hunters in or about my hunting area. With most hunters wearing cammo during rifle season makes this even harder. JMO

Bare eyeballs for these are plenty good:

Kanbk2012 by Sharps45 2 7/8, on Flickr

Nice.....

Once, I mounted my rifle to my shoulder to look down the barrel and get a better look at a buck's horns. But then I realized that with iron sights, the view didn't improve any.

Happy New Year!!!

Ringman, perhaps I'm confused as to what you are getting at. I thought in another thread you made the claim that you used neither bino's or a spotting scope.....just the Hubble on the rifle.

Now it appears in this thread sometimes you use bino's but I'm under the impression that sometimes you pack only the rifle with scope to do all glass work.

Could you please clarify.

Thanks
Shod

To be fair to Ringman, here is what he said to open the thread:



Seems that if you have a decent set of binos, and you're already on the animal, the need to use a rifle scope to see if you want to shoot would be minimized.

You have read many posts by internet bullies who have posted that about me. I figure they have some kind of problem. Either with reading or some kind of mental disorder.

There are times when the only thing I carry is the binos. I find it very much fun to find game before I am discovered by them. That means I often have to search the nearby woods with the binos.

This post will not change their minds.

Thank you for the clarification Ringman....

I have absolutely zero problem with what one uses for a scope if its not used to verify what one sees which may or may not be another hunter.

Hope you have a great new year.

Sincerely
Shod

smokepole,



You are correct for most of hunting. If you don't mind, read the three examples I gave. No matter how good your 7X or 8X binos they would not work in the scenarios. I compared a $2,340 Swarovski 8.5X binoculars with a 10X Tasco scope and the Tasco won for showing the most detail. When something reaches its limit, it has reached its limit. When something is good enough it is good enough.

In two of the examples above I was using a Swarovski z5 scope and still needed to turn it to 12X in the first case and 25X in the second case. Minimization doesn't work there.

As far as the beautiful buck pictured above, and it is spectacular, almost no one with even 10X binos would have been able to see if it had a broken eye guard or maybe a tip broken off. Give the same person a 16X or 18X or 20X or in my case a 24X scope and they would have a much better chance of seeing the defect.

When I was young I carried neither binos or a spotter. I didn't own any. My father never used them so I knew nothing of their utility. My eyesight was good enough that I never found myself surprised when the scope fell on the target.

Later I started using binos and realized that my eyesight had started to change and indeed I could see better and judge better. Still more time has passed and I now need higher quality and higher magnification to see the same things.

I rarely used a spotter in the field except when hunting very open areas. Where I live now it's so thick you rarely find shots far enough to justify a scope at all. Unless of course you are shooting across canyons; that's a whole different subject.