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I have recently gotten a Mauser and know very little about it. I was hoping someone could help me find info on it (model, age, value, rarity). I know it is a Czech and 7x64. It is a half stock. Site isn't letting me upload pictures because they are too big. If anyone can help me figure out that part I would be happy to load. If not then any ideas on how to get it to work? It also has waffenwerke brunn aktiengesellschaft on side of round receiver.
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Dang cool and I think Bill helped you..
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Welcome to the campfire.
Might try Mauser central Lots of knowledge there.. I don't have any of my books handy....
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Email the pictures to yourself, that will usually downsize them. Sounds like maybe a BRNO 21h, in a very rare and desirable chambering. Does it look like this: ![[Linked Image]](http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z146/eagleye5/IMG_1063.jpg) The butterknife handle, the schnabel, weird left side safety on the shroud, double set trigger, elegant trigger guard tend to be the give away features. It is a small ring 98 model mauser, mostly produced in the late 40s. The side rail markings you describe were produced during the german occupation but the parts were still used for a while after that. early post war had round rings, later they switched to square bridges. It should have a 2 digit date stamp on the left side of the receiver, near the barrel. If you have an unmolested one in 7x64, you got lucky. I for one would like to see some pics. They are sweet guns.
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Enis, Welcome to the fire. From your simple description, you could very well have a fine rifle. There is not a great deal of written material on these specific rifles that I can find at least, and I have learned most of what I know from other individuals. There is still much I dont know. These rifles are one of my favorites and I have been lucky enough to round up a few. Post some pictures and we will help you understand what you might have. I posted some pictures of one of my 7X64's for you to compare. ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/DSC_0043_zps82bb297b.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/DSC_0041_zpsd6892a87.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/DSC_0039_zpsd5edd65d.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/DSC_0042_zps0aa9e84a.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/DSC_0037_zps01f077c7.jpg)
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Mine does not have the butter knife handle, but other than that does look like your Whitebird.
The 2 digit number on left side of receiver is 43.
Still trying to figure out how to post pics. Will keep trying till I figure it out. Not real computer savy so taking little longer than it should.
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Mine does not have the butter knife handle, but other than that does look like yours Whitebird.
The 2 digit number on left side of receiver is 43.
Still trying to figure out how to post pics. Will keep trying till I figure it out. Not real computer savy so taking little longer than it should.
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Also my email address is n5zrc  outlook.com. If anyone can send me an email I can reply and send pics that way also. Thank you.
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Excellent- stamped during the war! It has been surmised by some, albeit without proof though it does seem logical, that the only sporters coming out of those factories during the war were for german big whigs. I really look forward to the pictures. Here's a link to really long thread on another forum on the subject of early post war BRNOs- http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?335607-BRNO-21
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I replied with pictures to the email. If they didn't come through let me know and I will resend.
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Mine does not have the butter knife handle, but other than that does look like your Whitebird.
The 2 digit number on left side of receiver is 43.
Still trying to figure out how to post pics. Will keep trying till I figure it out. Not real computer savy so taking little longer than it should. A lot of the BRNO's have been modified over the years by gunsmiths to "improve" them. You might have one of those. The spoon bolt handle seems to be the 1st thing cut off the old BRNO's followed by the addition of a recoil pad. Is the safety on the left or right side of the action? Is it a large or a small ring action?
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The 43 on the action is interesting and makes me wonder if it's a 21H at all, assuming the 43 is the date of manufactor.
I don't think they offered this model for sale until 1945. On this I could be wrong as the history on these rifles is sketchy at best.
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The 43 on the action is interesting and makes me wonder if it's a 21H at all, assuming the 43 is the date of manufactor.
I don't think they offered this model for sale until 1945. On this I could be wrong as the history on these rifles is sketchy at best. Yes, calling it a 21 may be a stretch, the designations for this family of guns is a little murky to begin with because some of the charactaristics weren't all consistent. And I don't imagine there was much commercial production during the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia. In fact I have read that the BRNO plant was more or less run under a forced labor regime. But I have seen 3 examples of war time sporters marked on the side rail with the german designation for the BRNO plant, so obviously some non- military rifles were being produced. I have heard conjecture that these rifles were for Nazi Elites, no proof on that. But considering the drastic change of regimes between 1943 and 1946, I would be very surprised if these were being offered or marketed under same monicker (21h) during the Nazi occupation as after.
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The safety is on the left side. Not sure what you mean by small or large ring action? Nothing on it looks oversized so I would guess small ring. Sorry.
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Did the pictures of the rifle come through email to you?
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The safety is on the left side. Not sure what you mean by small or large ring action? Nothing on it looks oversized so I would guess small ring. Sorry. Enis; Welcome to the 'Fire from just across the medicine line sir. Mausers and all of the minutia connected to them is a whole lot of information to absorb and truly sir, we all started from the start at one point in our journey. If this works for me.... ![[Linked Image]](http://spirainternational.com/pictures/Turks1marked.jpg) There we go, so that's the outside dimensional differences between a military large ring and small ring. The BRNO sporter actions were large ring length but small ring diameter up front - usually..... I think. See, even after 30 years of studying them, I'm only sure I've not seen all the variants out there yet.  Hopefully that was a wee bit helpful, again welcome to the 'Fire and all the best to you in 2015. Dwayne
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The 43 on the action is interesting and makes me wonder if it's a 21H at all, assuming the 43 is the date of manufactor.
I don't think they offered this model for sale until 1945. On this I could be wrong as the history on these rifles is sketchy at best. Yes, calling it a 21 may be a stretch, the designations for this family of guns is a little murky to begin with because some of the charactaristics weren't all consistent. And I don't imagine there was much commercial production during the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia. In fact I have read that the BRNO plant was more or less run under a forced labor regime. But I have seen 3 examples of war time sporters marked on the side rail with the german designation for the BRNO plant, so obviously some non- military rifles were being produced. I have heard conjecture that these rifles were for Nazi Elites, no proof on that. But considering the drastic change of regimes between 1943 and 1946, I would be very surprised if these were being offered or marketed under same monicker (21h) during the Nazi occupation as after. What would you say this model is? 8X57JS Stamped 42. SN 2894. Rifle has the Z stamped on the front ring. Jeweled bolt? The 7X64 I posted above has a lower SN, same side rail marking, but no Z stamped on the front ring. The 7X64 has no year markings that I can find. These rifles were from the same collection, and there were several others that were war time stamped as well. Thoughts.... comments? ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd207d308.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps922946f7.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps123da5a1.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/Whitebird_43/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps42d4bc21.jpg)
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The 43 on the action is interesting and makes me wonder if it's a 21H at all, assuming the 43 is the date of manufactor.
I don't think they offered this model for sale until 1945. On this I could be wrong as the history on these rifles is sketchy at best. Yes, calling it a 21 may be a stretch, the designations for this family of guns is a little murky to begin with because some of the charactaristics weren't all consistent. And I don't imagine there was much commercial production during the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia. In fact I have read that the BRNO plant was more or less run under a forced labor regime. But I have seen 3 examples of war time sporters marked on the side rail with the german designation for the BRNO plant, so obviously some non- military rifles were being produced. I have heard conjecture that these rifles were for Nazi Elites, no proof on that. But considering the drastic change of regimes between 1943 and 1946, I would be very surprised if these were being offered or marketed under same monicker (21h) during the Nazi occupation as after. What would you say this model is? 8X57JS Stamped 42. SN 2894. Rifle has the Z stamped on the front ring. Jeweled bolt? The 7X64 I posted above has a lower SN, same side rail marking, but no Z stamped on the front ring. The 7X64 has no year markings that I can find. These rifles were from the same collection, and there were several others that were war time stamped as well. Thoughts.... comments? Wow- that's a blonde bomb shell there. The historic context, and the craftsmanship is just extraordinary. I'm no expert, there are some folks around that know way more about these guns than me. The obvious things are- german sidereal marking, occupied Czechoslovakia- harsh occupation Stripper clip slot- military receiver, deleted shortly after the war Some bolts didn't have the guide rail- I don't know the rhyme or reason for that but yours does Finely jeweled bolt- super cool, that looks factory to me Round receiver rings- later these became square, 1950ish I wish I could offer more info, as has been noted info on these gun is murky at best but they are super fine.
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