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I don't believe this is the case. I've never seen any hard data or even anecdotes to support this. In fact, I've read some opinions to the contrary, that it's more cruel to keep catching, handling, and releasing fish (with the resulting percentage of mortality) than to just kill them. And I'd much rather catch a wild 10-inch brookie from a back country stream than an 18-inch hook-scarred hatchery rainbow. It's just not the same.

Not to mention the fact that it's fishermen, not the non-fishing public, who push for and support catch-and-release. Because fishermen want to catch more and bigger fish, the same argument you're making for "C&R hunting."




You know, the mark of a solid argument is one you can make without impugning the other guy's intelligence and/or motivation. You should try it some time.

I agree 100%. There are a lot of things we can do, and should do along these lines. As long as people eat meat, showing them that there's nothing wrong with taking responsibility for getting your own in a sustainable manner will go a long way. Because it's an irrefutable argument.

Good God man, who was arguing? Take a step back from the internet and relax.

I didn't say "arguing," I said argument. Which is what you were making in support of C&R hunting, was it not?

Edited to add, the future of hunting is something I do tend to get worked up about, especially if there's a chance I may have to trade in my rifles for dart guns.....

Oh for schit's sake. I give up.

Some of you guy's ability to nit-pick a conversation apart is nothing short of female in nature. I have to deal with enough of that schit in real life; I'm not going to engage in it for fun.

Too funny, darting animals sounds like something PETA would come up with, but refuting the "benefits" of it is nit-picking and female. Got it.

Glad you gave up though. It's a stupid idea, I'm glad it didn't get any traction on this forum.

Dude, you just don't get it, do you?

You have a habit of going on post after post and nit-picking apart what is being said. It's got to be one of the most obnoxious traits a person can possess. Always with the last word. Get over yourself.

I think the darting idea is an excellent one, and will pursue it further.

To the general thread:

If I were on the other side and reading this, I would think we won. They are so negative it is just a matter of time.

I personally don't fear the anti crowd as much as I worry about those who feel the battle is lost. Vote for gun rights and hunting, make the politicians fear us. Something to be said for those old timers who wouldn't back away from what was important to them. I see less of it today.

You can't make a point without getting personal and insulting. And I'm the one who's obnoxious? Go back and read the thread objectively and you'll see what I mean. See who was the one to resort to insulting language, and get back to me about obnoxious.

And nit-picking? You advocate an idea that would fundamentally change hunting as we know it, on a hunting forum, and bitch about "nit-picking?"

Here's some food for thought. As I said above, as long as people eat meat, one of the best (and most irrefutable) arguments in favor of hunting is that hunters are the only ones (besides ag. workers) who take responsibility for the killing that has to occur in order to feed ourselves, and we don't just foist off the dirty work on someone else.

If darting was to gain widespread acceptance, that part of hunting would be taken right off the table. I can hear the HSUS now: "you don't really have to kill the animals, you just want to because you're sadistic."

And as long as we're talking about acceptance of hunting by the general population, I've heard many people, non-hunters and hunters alike, disparage hunters for taking "hero shot" photos. Because the hero shots are all about stoking the hunter's ego, and have little to do with the traditions of the hunt or putting food on the table and many people are turned off by that.

Well guess what. With darting, the hero shot is about all you're left with.

I'm not sure darting would even be acceptable to the antis. They still will whine that this process is causing undue stress on the animal.
If it gets down to that point it will be only camera hunting that will be considered humane and of course the folks with the best photo equipment will win that one.

That in mind - I think bow hunting will probably last the longest because even anti hunters and politicians will reluctantly concede it takes great skill to get close enough to get an arrow off where many of them do claim rifle hunting takes no skill at all and is a greater potential danger to other outdoor users.

I know a few antis that have a grudging respect for bow hunters but none at all for rifle hunters.

If they outlaw the killing of game, I'll happily poach.



Clark

That's because they're idiots.




Travis

Archery does take some skill alright....but archers wound and lose a hugely disproportionate amount of game compared to rifle hunters.

Is it possible to re-reform? With the availability of suppressors it would be easier. Too much worry and aggravation, I am getting old. Or more honest?

Antis hate archery far worse than they do rifle hunting. They consider archery inhumane. Listen to their rhetoric and you'll quickly realize they loathe archery. Even much of Europe disallows archery on the same grounds.

David Clark,,

I've been using "expanding type" bullets listed in the regs for years.....