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Anybody want to bet it's a Glock?  Wasn't a Glock. Y'all ought to read the article before going off half Glocked. Rutledge was shopping with four kids, when her two-year-old son reached into her purse, accessed her concealed 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield semi-automatic handgun and accidentally discharged the weapon, according deputies. Authorities said the toddler was seated in the shopping cart when the gun was discharged. The woman and children were in the back of the store near the electronics area when the deadly shooting happened. Almost as bad double action striker fired. What gun is "double action striker fired"? I might have the wrong terminology but those striker fired guns operate like a double action revolver relying on the heavy trigger pull for a safety. The only safe way to carry those striker fired guns is with the chamber empty in my not so humble opinion.
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Guess you carry your revolvers empty too?
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I've carried Glocks for 15 years and have never had one discharge unless i intended it to discharge
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Guess you carry your revolvers empty too? Revolvers can be touchy too. That police chief in Georgia 'accidentally' shot his wife...twice...with a revolver.
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The only thing dangerous about today's firearms are the operators.
Lots of safety built into the guns themselves.
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Guess you carry your revolvers empty too? Nope because the one I have is single action only. Looking to buy a SSA. I also only have 1911s.
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I just went out and did some Google research.
I discovered that striker fired guns are even more unsafe than I originally thought. I did not know that chambering a round presets the striker i.e. the firing pin. Squeezing the trigger fully sets the striker and fires the round. There is absolutely no safety at all in my opinion. There appears to be two schools of thought on strikers, one school of thought is that strikers are double action only and the other school of thought is they are not.
My school of thought is striker fired guns are unsafe at any speed. Argument over.
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I just went out and did some Google research.
I discovered that striker fired guns are even more unsafe than I originally thought. I did not know that chambering a round presets the striker i.e. the firing pin. Squeezing the trigger fully sets the striker and fires the round. There is absolutely no safety at all in my opinion. There appears to be two schools of thought on strikers, one school of thought is that strikers are double action only and the other school of thought is they are not.
My school of thought is striker fired guns are unsafe at any speed. Argument over. I think you should go back to school
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My school of thought is striker fired guns are unsafe at any speed. Argument over. You don't like Glocks. That's fine, and entirely your prerogative. Just man up and quit using your personal preference to bash them every time the opportunity, real or imagined, comes along. If Glocks have a lot of accidental discharges, it's because it's the number one selling handgun in the US, therefore a lot of dumbazzes have the opportunity to be dumbazzes. I've seen accidental discharges with S&W Model 15 38 Special revolvers, too. Does that make them unsafe?
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I still don't see how a little 2-year old had the muscle to pull the Shield's trigger.
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I can see it happening if the kid grabbed the gun by the trigger trying to pull it out of his Mom's purse. That and maybe the gun hung on something as he was pulling on it.
Terrible tragedy for the Family involved, regardless of how it happened.
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DD being afraid of Glocks is akin to the Goodhousekeeping seal of approval...for Glock.
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Father in law said in an interview that he was very familiar with that pistol and it did have a functioning safety.
It is a sad situation. Totally preventable, but a sad reminder that even a two year old kid can make a gun shoot. I don't care for concealed carry purses because they get snatched and women often set them down because they're "heavy". If you have to travel to get to the purse you likely are late to the fight. If you're comfortable leaving your defensive weapon unavailable, why not clear the chamber as well?
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Sad, but no more so than car accidents that kill and cripple and maim parents and children every day which also are preventable, only by having no autos, or in this case, guns.
For sure an empty chamber is much safer.
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From a S&W 9mm Shield review... A final aspect of the M&P Shield pistol�s user-friendly shootability is its uniform short, crisp trigger pull, which again is the same mechanism as found on full-size M&Ps. Nominal trigger travel from rest is only .300 inch, and the reset stroke is only .140 inch. Nominal trigger pull weight is just 6� pounds. This is one of the best, shortest and most crisp DAO-type trigger pulls on the market Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/palm-size-power-the-smith-wesson-mp9-shield-review/#ixzz3Nh2dtZu0Just so sad l really feel for that family.
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Does anyone know if the Lady was a southpaw or not?
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I know it's not fashionable to have a safety these days, but there is a reason I like them. One more way to keep bad things from happening. I know a pistol can be safe without one, I just feel better with it and it will not delay any shot from me.
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Leaving a 2 year old within arms length of a loaded gun is a recipe for disaster. Terrible tragedy but common sense should have prevailed here. Secret pocket or no you don't leave loaded weapons around children or those not able to understand their use, this is gun safety 101. This lady paid for that mistake with her life as will happen when mistakes are made with loaded weapons. At least the child didn't die from the mothers mistake.
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Leaving a 2 year old within arms length of a loaded gun is a recipe for disaster. Terrible tragedy but common sense should have prevailed here. Secret pocket or no you don't leave loaded weapons around children or those not able to understand their use, this is gun safety 101. This lady paid for that mistake with her life as will happen when mistakes are made with loaded weapons. At least the child didn't die from the mothers mistake. No, but I hate the thought of what he has to live with.
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Having kids, teaching them how to shoot and knowing what they're capable of, is anyone just a bit flabbergasted that a 2 year old could grab a modern handgun and somehow fire it off?
I mean if it was sitting on the floor and he was playing with the trigger that's one thing. But to pull a handgun out and be able to operate the trigger on his own, that just sounds very difficult for a 2 yr old to do.
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