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Shot placement is King, penetration is Queen... all else is gravy.


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i shoot a 40 good, but i shoot a 9 much gooder. i perfer the 9 and will probably carry one at next qualification


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I Carry a Kahr PM9 with 124gr.+P Speer Gold Dots. I do not feel a bit undergun. The truth is I have tried every seemingly concievable CCW carry known, other then my Scad framed M&P .357 they are the only 2 guns I feel like packing all day. A heavier gun will just be left at home.

That being said, if I were carrying it as a duty side arm, I would feel much more confident with my G20 10mm, but I am sure they would call it overkill.
If some thug was laying it on heavy with an AK, and you had to choose a reasonable carry pistol which would it be a 9 or a 10? I would rather have my AR, but that is not an option. I think I would choose my 10.

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9mm is best for THEM because they are tasked to get the girls qualified.
They have body armor to save them if they get shot at and they have backup.

For those of us who are civilians none of this applies. We need to figure out
what is best for us.


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
read between the lines, as this is a tacit admission that girls can't handle the.40 S&W.


I can't comment on the FBI. But as a 24 years military veteran it's my observation that except for the Marine Corps the other Services put very little money and time into small arms training. It's not about "girls can't handle". It's about a chronic lack of training due to the low priority from the Brass

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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
All the talk of barrier penetration is kinda bizarre. Outside of LE, the odds of you ever shooting through a car door or windshield are astronomical.


I've got some RWS 9mm FMJ with steel jacketed bullets (copper washed). One day, I'm going to find an old, junker car and shoot it up a little, just for S&G.

I hear they do a pretty good job on Lebanese taxis.

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Originally Posted by tjm10025
Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
All the talk of barrier penetration is kinda bizarre. Outside of LE, the odds of you ever shooting through a car door or windshield are astronomical.


I've got some RWS 9mm FMJ with steel jacketed bullets (copper washed). One day, I'm going to find an old, junker car and shoot it up a little, just for S&G.

I hear they do a pretty good job on Lebanese taxis.

I've got some of that swiss 9mm ammo made by rws. Same stuff I think, Same idea i have too i think.


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I've never tried any of the RWS stuff, but I have had the opportunity to run some of the Hirtenberger variety of spicy 9mm, and it is the real deal.


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everyone should just carry a good old 25 auto like this little FN and just head when needed with FMJ

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Bear gun!


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I think i will use on the next hog hunt


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It'll "Way Overpenetrate".


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Originally Posted by bea175
I think i will use on the next hog hunt


You may earn a good 'sausage rootin' for that stunt. shocked eek grin


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all i have to do is stick it down the pigs throat and pull the trigger


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I have a 7.62 x 25 that will really overpenetrate.


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Why would the FBI lie about this? They're from the Government and they're here to help.


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Originally Posted by whelennut
I have a 7.62 x 25 that will really overpenetrate.


You got that right!!
The only gun in 40 years that I have had an AD with in my house.
Dang thing tore the hell out of 2 rooms. Months later, I was finding stuff that it had gone through.

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If all handgun ammo performs the same and depends totally on bullet placement that explains why 22 rimfire ammo is so hard to find.I would expect 22 magnum to be even more effective but maybe bullet placement trumps everything.


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Originally Posted by whelennut
If all handgun ammo performs the same and depends totally on bullet placement that explains why 22 rimfire ammo is so hard to find.I would expect 22 magnum to be even more effective but maybe bullet placement trumps everything.


The flip side of your statement is that you should CCW a .460 S&W. Happy mediums and compromises, right? All that stuff in the middle does about the same job and fills about the same role. Which to me indicates the Indian is more important that the arrow.


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since the 7.62x25 was brought up had to add this. Number of years ago we decided to give many glock 19's to the iraqi police to replace their former eastern block stuff. I had a friend detached to their police at the time. He said they promptly sold them in the black market, prefering the older tokerov round, 7.62x25 as it penetrated better car doors, windshields etc. At around that time i had fired some russian ammo in that caliber through a lid for a 50gallon steel drum, into a compressor tank penetrating the side and bulging the other side, which impressed the snot out of me. The worlds i think first true magnum cartridge before the word magnum was used.
I was also told while no ordinary grunt could be trusted with a pistol on base, when doorknocking it was common to replace that fmj military stuff with brand new winchester jhp stuff bought in the village bazaar. It was taken out prior to coming back to base. One does what one must do.

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