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That's just the way Gun owners are. Simple.

That said, I would not want forged steel Legos to play with.

See, I am versatile and open minded.

Glocks and 1911's are probably the two most popular handguns so I think natural that comparison be made.


It took me some time, not mention my hard earned money buying/selling/trading handguns to determine which I liked best and fit my need, etc.


After going through this expense and time, I don't begrudge anyone for their choice in handguns. It works for them. I'll find what works for me.

I simply enjoy making fun of 1911's.



Travis

You tell me.

Too fuggin' funny...




Travis

I tend to completely ignore bashers as most of them simply don't know WTF they are really talking about.

I do listen to critical opinions & comments from various knowledgeable people on whatever gun might be under discussion.

MM

hate Glock triggers. hates 'em. I've shot spring-loaded dart guns that were crisper.

and that thing about having to manually strip the magazine? screw that!

My Chevy is perfect, your Ford is junk.

My PC is ideal, you Mac is garbage.

Mary Ann is beautiful, Ginger is a dog.

I could go on & on.


It is the normal human condition.

That was only on the old ones.



Travis

I've learned to make my Glock triggers pretty darn good & I'm not easy to please about triggers. Just sayin'.

Much the same thread...In that post, I'm not bashing Glocks, just trying to understand the people who are nuts over them.

That makes sense.

When I see the guys who say it's this gun or nothing, the first thing that comes to mind is, that's a seriously insecure person right there.

Thank you. It'll never be a 1911 trigger, but then again, nothing else ever will be either. The good news is it doesn't have to be to be a superb self-defense pistol.

I'm not a 1911 basher but I still wonder why so many defend such a fragile design.

Now before I start getting hate mail, I"ve shot a few and owned a couple. The first was an STI Ranger, the current one is a Colt Combat Commander. Neither would or will make it through 100 rounds without something going wrong yet every time I mention it, I get is "all my 1911's have been 100%, the 1911 is the only pistol to own and defend your life with". I'm still pouring money and ammo through this Colt to figure it out.

So why all the 1911 defenders?

I will say I'm fixing to buy a Glock 19 to go with my S&W Shield and my Sig 228 and my S&W 640-1. A man needs to have options.

Jim nailed it in post 3. It could be guns, trucks, football teams, etc., In any apples vs. oranges discussion the foaming at the mouth mindless fan boys suffer from feelings of inadequacy and compensate for those feelings by defining themselves by the side they've chosen.

Putting the fan boys aside, there is another group. That group that has put so much time training with their chosen platform that its use is second nature and they are fully aware of the shortcomings and know how to overcome them. I wouldn't want to be in a gun fight from either camp that had become utterly proficient with their chosen platform.

Jerry Miculek has a video reviewing the G41 and he's pulling shots left and battling the trigger the whole time. Yes, Mr. Miculek is still immortal pulling left, but where does that leave us riffraff?

That's because you are a heathen.

One thing I enjoyed about SHOT this year was viewing some 1911s that could only be considered works of art. I saw one with grips made from -- no chit -- a meteorite. And then there's "new Damascus" slides... grips made of Mammoth tusk and tooth... and all manner of exotic coatings and engraving. Needless to say, I didn't ask the price on those.

I think it�s important to differentiate between design and manufacturing.

What you�re talking about isn�t related to design, but manufacture.

We know for a FACT that the 1911 isn�t a fragile design. 75 years of US service has proven that.

But anyone can take a good design and screw it up in the manufacturing, which is probably what you encountered. For those who have stories like yours, I believe them. For those who say their 1911�s have never failed, I believe them. Because there�s something like 30 different manufacturers of 1911�s these days.

Military 1911�s were held to a ridiculous spec, and 1911�s just haven�t been built like that since. The only ones that come close are the one�s made by hand, and even then they may have the build quality, but they completely lack the parts interchangeability of the military guns.

These days 1911�s are kinda like the IMB compatible PC. When you get one, you can just about guarantee that the name on the side didn�t build the majority of the parts. In fact, the only 1911 maker I know of that actually makes every part is Taurus. Everyone else uses a wide variety of subcontracted parts in their 1911�s.

That said, there are some things about the design which are rather obsolete. The swinging link, internal extractor, and non-ramped barrel designs are things that are a bit less forgiving during assembly than more modern designs. So while it�s certainly not a fragile DESIGN, it is a bit obsolete in comparison to more modern pistols. Doesn�t mean it can�t be a great pistol, just that it�s an old design.

Any of you 1911 fans seen the Korth "1911"? It uses some type of roller locking action.

Caspian, FWIW, gets almost a grand for their damascus slides

Someday I might build a Bar-B-Que 1911, with all kinds of fancy doo-dads on it. It is not difficult to make grips for a 1911, so there's hundreds of different styles available - everything from mammoth tooth, to aggressive G10, to engraved sterling silver. And many of the other parts are available in custom configurations.

There was an extensive owner survey at 1911Forum a couple years ago, with hundreds of people rating the reliability of their pistols, as far as malfunctions in the first 200 rounds. H&K was actually the winner, with something like 4% failures, Glock was about 10.4%, and Wilson Combat, and Baer were about 12% & 13%. Colt was the best of the production guns, at around 17%. So a really good 1911 will be in the same ballpark, reliability wise as a Glock, but H&K beats both

I've owned two Glocks, a 2nd Gen G22, and still have a 4th Gen G34. Neither was especially accurate, but both have no malfunctions. I am kinda pizzed at the G34; I would expect a long slide target pistol to be tightly fitted, but it's about as sloppy as their other guns. It does run flawlessly, but I don't carry it, nor completely trust it without a manual safety.

When I decided to get another double stack 9, I eventually settled on the H&K P30LS, as I like the safety, and to me it points the best of any of the poly frame pistols. So far it shoots very well, and does not jam.

I've owned or shot a pile of 1911's. Some of them I trust completely, and some are toys only. YMMV. But I do get a gun that is easy to shoot well, with a metal frame, that is easily customized and tuned. And if it does not run 100%, it's really not that hard to fix them.