Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters New Rifle Choice: Weatherby Vanguard S2 Range Certified vs Browning Xbolt Medallion

Just curious, if you put an after-market trigger in a Browning, would it be a reliable rifle? While I don't think it should be necessary to replace the trigger in a new rifle, it seems to be a common practice with Vanguards and Remington 700's, so why not a Browning?

No, I am simply going by what you said.

You do if your so concerned with rust.
Your "anti corrosion" ingredient in lighter fluid is an oil

Is the Browning trigger that has problems the same one they put in Winchesters now???

You were talking about oiling the trigger, as in introducing regular oil, be it Rem Oil, CLP, whatever, into the trigger to prevent corrosion. What I said was vastly different.

Naphtha is not really oil in the sense of they way you are using it. And it is the DRY naphtha that prevents the corrosion. it displaces the water and doesn't allow it to penetrate the pores of the metal. You no that is different from what you were referring to as oiling a trigger, but I bet you wont admit it. If you allow actual oil in your trigger group, you will experience issues with gumming and grime long before you would have had issues from rust.

Congrats, a new bullet point for your resume.

I can lead you to water but clearly it is going to be harder to make you think.

No, you're just trying to turn the conversation away from the facts and make it about me

I sell firearms at a very large establishment. We sell S2's, AB3's and XBolt's. I own several S2's and like them. I do not own any Browning rifles but own Browning shotguns which are outstanding. I expected the Browning rifles to be better quality than the S2. The AB3 is definitely not and the XBolt doesn't seem to be either. On the other hand I sell a lot of both models of Browning to people that already own one and love them.

There won't be any issues with "gumming and grime" if you clean it often before reoiling

If RUST is the problem, oil is the solution
It doesn't have to be dirty 90 wt gear oil to do the job

The first ingredient in lighter fluid is an "oil":

Actually, no it is not an oil. Distillates are light hydrocarbons and evaporate readily (in the case of lighter fluid) and are not as viscous as oils.

Oiling a trigger is a recipe for bad things.

There are MANY better ways to prevent rust than oil.

According to you RUST is the problem, not too much oil

No dog in this fight, and I admittedly live in an mostly arid climate------------the other end of the spectrum from SE AK, but I use CorrosionX in my triggers that see bad weather. I occasionally flush 'em clean with starting fluid then replace the C-X. Not sure if C-X qualifies as an oil or what, but it seems kind of caustic and very effective. I can't recall ever testing it in SUB-zero temps, but when it's that cold, I'm not worried about rust. Degreasing only takes a minute.

Have at it then... You obviously know more than everybody else combined...

Some people just can't admit when they are incorrect...even when presented the facts. I guess he isn't leaning too fast...

I stand by the statement...oiling will cause more issues than a dry trigger. You say you can just clean and re-oil...well you can also do that on a dry trigger! WOW...what a revelation! I also stand by the statement that you will see issues quicker with an oiled trigger versus a dry trigger...Zippo Lighter Fluid is the best treatment for a trigger, both cleaning and preserving.

I think the question was answered with the 1st response.

+1

Having owned 2 Abolts, one Xbolt and numerous Vanguard and Howa rifles here are the major differences between the 2.

1. Drop forged receiver, simple bolt design that is completely field strippable.

2. X-bolts receiver bridge is so thin it requires the use of 4 screws on each scope base .

The x-bolt has 2 advantages low bolt lift and lighter weight. Old and New vanguards are some of the most consistently accurate rifles one can buy with exceptional quality control.Too much cheap metal in the Abolt/Xbolt trigger and bottom metal.

A 240 Roy 8 twist would have a few S2 in the garage.....

W

Actually the Howa/Vanguard receiver is extruded. You can take the firing pin assembly out without tools on the Howa, while with the Browning you'd need a pair of pliers, vice-grips or similar (or a vice) to pull the cocking piece back. For stripping beyond that point both require tools - and much the same tools.

FWIW In several decades of hunting I've never had to strip a bolt, on any rifle, in the field, so the difference is moot. YMMV.



4 screws would be stronger than two too.



As far as I've seen, both are very accurate, and have very good QC, something the Japanese are very good at, owing, among other things, to work done post war by Americans like W Edwards Deming.

As for the "cheap metal", it seems to me that quite a number of makers use aluminium alloy for bottom metal, not just Browning, and not for cost but lightness. In the trigger mechanism the working parts are hard-chromed steel.

And there-in lies the rub... The non-working parts which are not hard-chromed steel are of very suspect metallurgy and many rust immediately and quickly upon exposure to nasty weather, regardless of the cleanliness or protectants used.

I believe there is enough to question whether it might be a dielectric reaction due to the speed.

Dielectric? What?

Being both curious, and a metallurgist (at least by training), I just pulled mine down and had a look. The parts looked like steel, so I tried a magnet. All the parts of the trigger group that I could access, including trigger blade, housing, various pins and linkages, attracted the magnet, consistent with what I thought: it seems that it is all steel.

Now it is not impossible that under adverse conditions these could rust, but the same is true of any blued steel or even your typical stainless as used in firearms. FWIW after nearly 30 years, including any number of extended periods hunting in rain, the trigger mechanism on mine had no rust at all. As I said a few pages back, I don't baby it either.