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Ya got it figured Dooger....it's a generational thing. When I was growing up after THE WAR, if you saw an MM rifle it was something somebody had brought back from THE WAR. The 250-3000 and the 270 Winchester were the earlier fast stepping, light bullet catridges.

The old MM stuff usually had fast twist barrels to stabilize the extremely long bullets used then and once again the rage for ultra-long-range shooting. There wasn't much out there for fast twist 270s and the longest bullet common was the 160NP, IIRC.

The young metro-sexuals hanging around here think they are on the cutting edge with their metric stuff while the Geezers continue pile em up with 270s.

WWII + Outdoor Life + JOC = 270 following. Ask any WWII vet or his kid. GI's got copies of Outdoor Life, read the stories, followed suit.

Wife's grandfather still worships the guy. It's that simple. Gotta love the greatest generation.

Lots of it is TIC...but among those who criticize it seriously,many have not killed much of anything...with anything. Like Vern says,hunters keep filling freezers and walls with the cartridge.

Mostly the anti-270 stuff is richly deserving of being ignored.

And everyone that poops on em' has at least one... With the bullet crop expanding it gets prettier with age. Heard tell also some folks buy guns and just go shoot them. So it's very appealing to this strange tribe that they can go get any gun configuration they wish.....

Now when someone gets up early and breeds a 27 Nosler I would be up for that....

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I just got a really nice LH CDL in 270 Win and wondered why I took so long to finally try one, working on a load with the 160 gr Partition right now. Should be quite useful load around here......

Just curious, but, having loaded the 150NP for hunting the same province that you do and exclusively for at least 25 years for about a dozen different .270s I have owned, I have never seen any actual benefit to the 160NP.

It IS heavier, but, given it's profile, it has a lesser "BC" than the 150, so, I chose the lighter one. I am interested in why you choose the 160, maybe for Grizzlies?

I have loaded 270s since March, 1968 and have used RE-22 exclusively since 1990, with stellar results, sub-moa accuracy with the 150 and 2900 fps-mv averaged from my three P-64 Fwts with their 22" tubes.

I am going to try some RE-25 later this year in my various .280 Rems, to see if they will do 2900 from their 23" bbls., with the 160NPs and I think this might well be an excellent choice for the .270-160NP, as well.

JMHO, but, I would be very interested in any results you may have and care to post here.

I used the 160 NP for moose prior to the TSX and I think my load was 55 gr 4831 but one book says that's hot.

I used the 160 because we were still transitioning from old cup & core reasoning into bonded core and monolithic bullets. I've still got several boxes of 160s if someone is in need.

If the new-age, MM users would read J O'C, they would find he also recommended the then new 280 Rem [7MM].....a few did read it and got so upset they had to AI their 280s just to distance themselves from Cactus Jack.

The reason is I think they are a really cool bullet, there is something about a heavy semi spitzer bullet that I really like. It is a good match for this part of B.C. since most shots are at close range, I would think with it's s.d. of .298 those bullets are going to dig really deep I honestly don't think the 150 gr NP would give up much to it when it comes to penetration......

I can update this thread as I do load development if you want, working with some Ramshot Magnum right now and hop to do a bit more shooting this weekend. I have some RL 22 and 25 waiting in the wings if Magnum doesn't do it, When we see some IMR 7977 show up here I would like to give it a try, it shows some excellent speeds with 140's and heavier.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

The 160-grain .277" Partition and the similar 220-grain .308" Partition have been accurate in every rifle in which I've tried them.

Or simply because those of us more interested in hunting rather than long range ballistic charts and uber BC bullets know that it works just fine.

Never read any JOC or much ODL and wasn't around for WWII and still don't feel handicapped one bit with a 270....grin



Of course also I doubt any of us could tell a difference(hunting/shooting at reasonable ranges...) between a 260, 270, 7-08, etc....

Good to hear, I have high hopes for it. I also have found the same thing with the 220 gr Partition, it is very accurate. I used to have a 308 Norma Mag that shot them great and my friend's 300 Win Mag also shoots them very well. I can tell you the 220 gr PT is a hammer on both black and grizzly bears. The 277 160 gr looks like it will be a junior version of that bullet, in around 3 months or so one of those will be meeting a black bear

Guys may look down their noses at the 160-grain Partition because it's "only" a semi-spitzer. But, it has a better BC than either the 130-grain or 140-grain Partitions and it's BC is only a little worse than the 150-grain Partition's BC.

Yes it's not exactly like lobbing rocks out there, I would shoot 300-400 yards with them and be confident, the vast majority of animals taken is much closer than that anyway.

All metro fuggrrs like ingwue and such others know you cant kill no freaking moose with a 270. Thats why they had to invent the mighty mountain shaking elephant killing 280.

Until something runs off, then it's the guns fault.

Yup, that's EXACTLY why I got a .280 instead of a .270.


That, or the Ruger #1 bargain priced in front of me was a .007" overbore...

Of course after I sold the Ruger #1 I could have replaced it with whatever I wanted but got another rifle in .280, an All-Weather Ruger. I chose THAT rifle for the reasons above, too... and the little matter of already having dies and lots of brass for the .280...

But you are right - the fact is a .270 is for girly men and women where a .280 is for men with dongs that reach their knees and a pair of baseballs in their sack...




My only disappointment with the .280 is I thought Daughter #1 would choose it for her first elk hunt this fall - but she prefers my Ruger Scout in .308 Win.

Maybe if I'd gotten a .270 instead... ???

280 doesn't have schit over a 270 until you AI it, shove a 162 in it, or both.

The reverse is equally true with the exception of the availability and prices of factory ammo. Midwayusa lists 56 choices for the .270 Win, starting at $17.49. By contrast, only 18 choices are listed for the .280 Rem and prices start at $30.49.

For handloaders, midwayusa lists 82 choices for the .270 (.277"/6.8mm) and 100 for the .280 (.284"/7mm). Of those, only 50 types are available for the .280 and only 44 for the .270.

Whichever you prefer, living on the on-game difference would make for a pretty meager existence.

But the .270 is still gay...

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