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Sailed right over your pointy head Lawrence.... par for your pathetic course.

Read what Mule Deer posted.... then read it again. Of course, I'm positive John is astute enough to realize your new found "religion" and act of contrition is but a shameful ruse...

Ziggy, 130gr. TTSX out of the .270 is more than adequate. The lowly 7mm-08 stoked with 120gr. TSX was more than a match for this European Elk (Red Stag):

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Originally Posted by jeffbird
Now I realize that is Larry, the translation of "raking" means butt shot like when he used his Rem 1100 to shoot deer in the butt in New York.

Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Yeah "raking shot" is one in the keyster to "rake" forward into the chest or commonly called "Texas heart shot."

Just to be clear - I posted this:

Originally Posted by JGray
Steep quartering away shot - he was walking straight away and finally turned just enough to tuck one in behind the rib cage. The bullet was just under the hide in front of the off shoulder.

Larry posted this (I assume referring to me):

Originally Posted by 7x64FN
Even on this thread a gentleman who actually killed an elk with a 130 TSX took a raking shot.

And now, it sounds like by definition of a raking shot, some may get the wrong idea I shot this elk in arse, which I certainly did not grin His arse was intact and no guts were disturbed (until I took a knife to him) wink :

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JGray,

My comments had zero to do with you. Apologies to you if it seemed that way, and congratulations on a nice animal.

Larry has a long history of parading around on snipershide with that photo and another advocating the need to use Barnes for the times when he shoots them up the butt, instead of waiting for a better shot. Sadly, some of his most epic posts have been lost with the move of the site, but he has left a trail here as well.

I hope he truly has changed his ways, but he still seems to have the same attitude as before from what I am reading now that I connect the new name with him.

Humble/oldman/name of the day.…… please, no more ass shooting the animals. If you want to be the sportsman you seem to envision, there are better ways.

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7x64FN I'm from the east and have killed six elk out of seven trips on public land and each hunt only set me back less than a grand not including the License and half the cost was fuel driving from TN to Colorado both ways. I don't claim to be a Professional Elk hunter, far from that , but i do know one thing you put in the time in the woods and shoot straight when the moment comes and Elk aren't that hard to kill, getting the dam thing out of the bush when you kill one is the hard part. I believe on the average Eastern hunters are as good or better than Western Hunters, just bring them to the East and see how many White Bucks they take in the thick woods. Here are two more bulls and one cow. Both bulls where taken with the 338-06 Ack and the Swift 210 Scirroco and the Cow with my 338 RUM and the 225 gr Partition, the other cow i took was with the 30-06 and 165 gr Partition, but i have no photo because i forgot my camera.
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Originally Posted by jeffbird
JGray,

My comments had zero to do with you. Apologies to you if it seemed that way, and congratulations on a nice animal.


Not at all - my post was with tongue firmly planted in cheek while LMAO - no apologies necessary, but thanks... wink

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I've never hunted elk, but killed a few either as a target of opportunity when hunting in the Texas Hill Country over the years, or slaying young bulls and cows/hinds on "grocery shopping" expeditions. Elk and their cousin in my limited experience aren't bullet proof, and kill as easily as anything else.

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I will probably never go on another Elk Hunt , just getting to old to get them out of the high country . Seven times is more that most in the East get the opportunity to do. Every hunter in the East owes himself at least one Elk hunt in the High Country of the Rocky. Forget the Payed Canned Hunts and go on public land , killing a Elk isn't what it is all about . Watching the sun come up over the Rocky Mountains is worth the trip even if you come back home empty handed. Seeing a Bull Elk in his habitat is a experience you will never forget.


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Ziggy,

I have used nothing but 130 gr bullets in my .270 Roy. Early on used 130 partitions on deer, elk and caribou. Perfect results and dug expanded bullets out of the far side of elk.

Later switched to the 130tsx...just because. A couple of mule deer, 2 elk, and a large BC moose. Pretty much blasted through all of them except the moose which was almost 400 yards. One stayed in him somewhere? Almost pulled the trigger on a large grizzly..I wasn't worried about killing it but was about the $10K the outfitter wanted as a harvest fee!
Shots have been from 30 yards out to 400 or so.

Recently switched to the TTSX and took one large cow elk and a mule deer. Tremendous damage and exits!

The 130 TTSX is now my go to bullet in my .270 ROY

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I have never seen a Bear i would pay 10,000 to shoot


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Here is my nephew Kirk with his 7-year-old son Grant. Grant is twice a cancer survivor (two glioblastomas). This is after his second surgery and followup chemo, during which he was in isolation for six months. During that six months, he and his dad built this rifle with parts donated by Daniel Defense. Grant took this elk with the rifle he built (a 6.8 SPC ) and a 120-grain bullet: one shot at about 130 yards.

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Congratulations to you all on your hunting success.

A raking shot is one that enters into the animal's side, well back and continues forward at an angle usually ending up in the off shoulder or neck.

A Texas heart shot usually enters right below the anus and has to get through the paunch into the vitals.

There is nothing wrong with either as a properly constructed bullet or slug will kill in both cases.

If you choose to pass up either, that's up to you, but being nasty to another hunter who chooses not to is just being foolish.

Animals jumped out of deadfalls usually don't turn broadside, they run straight away. If you shoot them between the hams and know how to do gutless field dressing: http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/gutless-field-dressing.html
there is no mess.

I believe there is little point in continuing posting on this thread, as the "usual suspects" have appeared.

best to you and yours, Larry



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Originally Posted by 7x64FN


I believe there is little point in continuing posting on this thread, as the "usual suspects" have appeared.




YOU, are the "usual suspect", as everything that comes from your mouth or finger tips is suspect of being either a lie or a damned lie.

If only you'd take your own advice and not continue to post here, at all, the whole place would be better off.

Why in the Hell Rick decided to let you slither back in (other than post counts and page hits) is beyond me.


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Originally Posted by JGray
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Now I realize that is Larry, the translation of "raking" means butt shot like when he used his Rem 1100 to shoot deer in the butt in New York.

Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Yeah "raking shot" is one in the keyster to "rake" forward into the chest or commonly called "Texas heart shot."

Just to be clear - I posted this:

Originally Posted by JGray
Steep quartering away shot - he was walking straight away and finally turned just enough to tuck one in behind the rib cage. The bullet was just under the hide in front of the off shoulder.

Larry posted this (I assume referring to me):

Originally Posted by 7x64FN
Even on this thread a gentleman who actually killed an elk with a 130 TSX took a raking shot.

And now, it sounds like by definition of a raking shot, some may get the wrong idea I shot this elk in arse, which I certainly did not grin His arse was intact and no guts were disturbed (until I took a knife to him) wink :

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Not about you JGray and I too apologize to you also.


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Originally Posted by jeffbird
ehnm:

Originally Posted by interthem
Guess all the animals in MT stand broadside for the hunters there eh ? They don't in Wyoming or Idaho !
Growing up hunting Whitetails in the thickets of upstate NY (as well as rabbits, birds and fuzzy tails) you learn how to shoot animals on the run/flying coming, crossing or going. You eat tofu, I prefer Elk and with my R1 (as with my 1100 back when), running game is not difficult, especially, when they are close.
(I shoot over 200 rounds of ammo in sporting clays and trap, weekly)

Funny how nobody get upset when someboy is blabbing about shoot game at 600 or more yards but think running game shooting is "bad".

Some people (very few) can do the former, far more can do the latter as a lot more folks shoot clays than graduate from USMC sniper school.


Originally Posted by 7x64FN

Most men, especially dudes from back east are not as disciplined as this gal and will take all kinds of too far away, moving and bad angle shots.


Hmmm…..


Originally Posted by interthem
Makes perfect sense. Any decent cup and core bullet will kill any Whitetail that walks with good bullet placement. When the Barnes wins (even on a big Whitetal) is when you jump that monster 6x6 out of a dead fall and he is heading straight away.

The "blue box" federal will stop in the paunch, the TSX will probably come out the other end or end up in the neck somewhere.

Shots I would have passed with any other bullet (except a partition) put a Deer, Elk and Moose down with one shot each with the ancient slow 35 Whelen and a 225 TSX out to 200 paces. Messy gutting jobs, but meat is meat.


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Originally Posted by 7x64FN
Congratulations to you all on your hunting success.

A raking shot is one that enters into the animal's side, well back and continues forward at an angle usually ending up in the off shoulder or neck.

A Texas heart shot usually enters right below the anus and has to get through the paunch into the vitals.

There is nothing wrong with either as a properly constructed bullet or slug will kill in both cases.

If you choose to pass up either, that's up to you, but being nasty to another hunter who chooses not to is just being foolish.

Animals jumped out of deadfalls usually don't turn broadside, they run straight away. If you shoot them between the hams and know how to do gutless field dressing: http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/gutless-field-dressing.html
there is no mess.

I believe there is little point in continuing posting on this thread, as the "usual suspects" have appeared.

best to you and yours, Larry





Wow, guess the intentional butt shots will continue. Some things remain the same.

You're welcome ehnm.



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I shoot 130 TTSX out of 270 Win. only have one deer with it, and no bullet recovered.
I have 2 elk with 30/06 180TSX, no bullet recovered. Switched to 165TTSX recently.


All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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