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So it took them 300+ pages to apply established law to the internet? You sure about the "no new taxes/laws/etc"? I don't know what the 300 pages were, but there was no new law passed, just an application of a law that's been in effect since the 1930's. I guess Soros and Ford foundation only care about "net neutrality". Right ((It's 2027, a knock on the front door at 2:00 AM...)) "Citizen!! Please show me your Internet Log Book!! (kommissar briefly thumbs through the pages...)) So, it appears that you did not log 40 minutes of internet activity last night. That's a violation of the Internet Neutrality Act of 2015!! Our records indicate that you used an illegal Tor browser to engage in unregistered debate on a subversive forum! I'm confiscating your laptop, you will come with us for further questioning....."
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
We are all Rhodesians now.
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So because Obama lied before, you refuse to even look into this issue. Now you are starting to get it. Lie to me, and I don't ever trust you again. I might have dealings with you, but I don't trust you. miles
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I'd trust that a lot more than a backroom, secret committee coming up with rules that govern all of us.
There is no back room secret committe, you can read the 1934 Communications Act Title II law for yourself. Hell, we've lived it our whole lives. No? Why couldn't we read the 300+ pages the committee ruled on beforehand? What does it matter? No new law was passed? Well, no new law was passed, but a previously unregulated entity is now under the power of existing law. Kind of a back door way to throw it under existing regs by calling it something else. Shady. I am puzzled by your complete acceptance of this without knowing the content of the 330 pages. I would not trust this administration to claim the sky is blue. They do not write stuff for the fun of it.
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Aren't they taking something that was un-regulated and regulating it?
If so....... how can THAT be good news? See it's that kind of thinking that just floors me. When you just cast a wide brush and say all regulation is bad, that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of capitalism. The regulation was applied to ensure that 5 big companies cannot do anti-trust. Regulation is what you do when the market refuses to work it out themselves. The ISP market refused to self regulate, so that's when government steps in. I hope you enjoyed he Kool Aid. You're gonna find the cost was way too much.
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If you like your internet....
Statements like that are the tip off that you don't even understand the issue. Look at China and how their Government rules the internet What on earth does that even have to do with this. Why can't you people understand that NO NEW LAW WAS PASSED!!! It's the same regulations we have all lived under our whole lives, just applied to the internet. Why are you so willing to screw freedom of speech and open commerce on the internet? Either it's unbridled hate just because Obama said he was for it. Or you clearly just don't understand the issue. I say it's both. Well get off of the BATF's M885 legislation fight. No new law was passed, there. It just wasn't interpreted favorably at the time. Don't you f'n get it?
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And FYI, the biggest power grab EVER is NSA domestic spying.
No, I'd say the biggest power grabs ever were the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, NFA, GCA '68, and NSA domestic spying (arguably under the first two), in that order. At least, within the last 100 years. Prior to that, well, there was that "little" power grab in 1861... Yes. I'm going to keep my blood pressure low by not reading the rest of this thread.
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It's the same regulations we have all lived under our whole lives, just applied to the internet. And that makes it not the same thing that we have all lived under our whole lives. miles
Look out for number 1, don't step in number 2.
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What does it matter? No new law was passed? Yet you have a problem with that, and not this! Why do you think it's the same thing. The ONLY thing that the two issues have in common is regulation. And you could only make such a statement if you're just hard headed and think all regulation, no matter what it's for is bad. If you feel that way, why don't you live in Somalia? Those two are COMPLETELY different issues. One is very bad for freedom, and one is seeking to preserve freedom. The ammo ban is bad, nothing but bad and it's complete BS. The net thing is trying to preserve freedom of speech, and keep an open market free and open. What you don't realize is that the internet was quickly becoming an un-free market, and freedom of speech was next. I'm not trying to be rude, but when you make such a statement you clearly, fundamentally don't understand what was at stake.
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Why can't you people understand that NO NEW LAW WAS PASSED!!! It's a *de facto* new law. Do I need to post the definition?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Well if you think regulation is such a good thing why are you on 24hr when you would be much happier on Graybeard outdoors what with all his great regulation you would fit right in.
Okay - I'll play your game... Tell me now that Rick has never stepped in to control the content on this site.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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So because Obama lied before, you refuse to even look into this issue. Before? When did he stop?
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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"Citizen!! Please show me your Internet Log Book!! (kommissar briefly thumbs through the pages...)) So, it appears that you did not log 40 minutes of internet activity last night. That's a violation of the Internet Neutrality Act of 2015!! Our records indicate that you used an illegal Tor browser to engage in unregistered debate on a subversive forum! I'm confiscating your laptop, you will come with us for further questioning....." Okay I'm calling you on that. Not someone's opinion. Go to the Communications Act Title II of 1934, and SHOW ME where that law gives the government the right to do that.
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So because Obama lied before, you refuse to even look into this issue. Before? When did he stop? Good point, he never stops lying.
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Well if you think regulation is such a good thing why are you on 24hr when you would be much happier on Graybeard outdoors what with all his great regulation you would fit right in.
Okay - I'll play your game... Tell me now that Rick has never stepped in to control the content on this site. Seldom, but, and wait for it........ HE OWNS IT!
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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So because Obama lied before, you refuse to even look into this issue. Now you are starting to get it. Lie to me, and I don't ever trust you again. I might have dealings with you, but I don't trust you. miles Okay that I get. So don't take Obama's word...or the word of any liberal. But do yourself a favor, don't take the word of some conservative talking head. THINK FOR YOURSELF. Look into the issue and understand what is at stake, for yourself.
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The point is, you shouldn't HAVE to. Everyone should already have the same speed. Same speed for the same low price. Each to his needs ect. Sound similar? miles Guess you don't like speed limits on public roads either. Guess you don't like that you get to use the roads just like everyone else. Trucking companies would like to see you restricted to what they don't use. How about we establish fees and access according to who makes the most money for those who build the roads - starting with the one that goes right by your driveway?
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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Hey I just saw where the ACLU is for Net Neutrality.
So it's gotta be good for me. Right?
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Well, no new law was passed, but a previously unregulated entity is now under the power of existing law. Kind of a back door way to throw it under existing regs by calling it something else. Shady. I am puzzled by your complete acceptance of this without knowing the content of the 330 pages. I would not trust this administration to claim the sky is blue. They do not write stuff for the fun of it. The 330 pages don't matter, they're not law. They could say that Satan himself (which means Obama) can come take a chit in my living room. But until it's law, it doesn't mean anything.
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I don't have the patience to read the whole thread but isn't it largely private investment that build the internet? The ISPs have spent huge amounts of money running cable, fiber optics, putting in switching centers, etc. If you don't like their terms, offer a competing service. I can accept the government having some say over the airwaves since there is limited bandwith and I can buy that it belongs to public, but a piece of cable that Comcast ran from their switching center to my house on their own dime? I don't get it.
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Well if you think regulation is such a good thing why are you on 24hr when you would be much happier on Graybeard outdoors what with all his great regulation you would fit right in.
Okay - I'll play your game... Tell me now that Rick has never stepped in to control the content on this site. Seldom, but, and wait for it........ HE OWNS IT! And I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying that there is regulation and you like the regulation that is in place (as do I). Not all regulation is bad - as has been intimated by you and others.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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