For the record... The point I was making is this... A seatbelt infraction exist for the sole purpose of extracting revenue. It is not, in any way, shape, or for meant to change behavior or save lives. In fact the NTSB can only show a 50/50 chance on being injured with (or without) a seatbelt being in use. So if its a coin flip how do they justify making a law requiring it? At the same time what are the injury rates for motorcycle accidents? In my state I can be pulled over by a bike cop for not wearing a seatbelt in a truck with 4 airbags while carrying people in the truck bed. That's fkin ridiculous.
Seeing motorcycle cops pull people over for "BS" seatbelt infractions?
Originally Posted by willflow
Trying to relate motorcyclists with seatbelts is apples and oranges.
A motorcycle cop writing someone a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt is hypocritical to the Nth degree, and is just another example of a representative of a corrupt and decadent government generating revenue for that government.
The problem on this forum is that the "10" is a theoretical number that forum cops will ALL condemn.
But, when one of the "10" has a particular identity, most of them rush to his defense, or at a minimum give him the benefit of the doubt, when there is no doubt.
The "10" are mythical creatures that always will be found "Not in my A.O."
Not the case here locally, and while I don't believe a damn thing I read the first time, until all the data comes in, because media is more crooked than crooked cops, there always will be the bad ones.
I have seen here, and maybe its just the way I read it, that the guys I know taht are LEO and post here, the only defense they mount, is lets see what all the evidence says, and then if "guilty" punish like anyone else.
Thats all I'd ask of me personally... lets see all the data if you have soemthing agianst me and if I did it, then get me. But lets look at the data first... ALL of it. And keep the media out of it, where they belong. out of it.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
As with doctors who arent skilled, pharmacists who are dyslexic, and teachers who get too "chummy" with the kiddies, Police who abuse or bend their position of EXTREME power over those they interact with should be ferreted out with vigor.
The "10% as with any other profession" situation cant be tolerated. Police have FAR too much control in the ability to ruin days, weeks, bank accounts, and lives of the folks they interact with.
That 10% number should be reduced to 5%, and then 1%, and the force should make it part of their CAREER to do so. I think this is why some locations in the USA, probably smaller towns, have a more favorable view of their police force. They probably have more hand-on control over who gets hired and how they treat folks (AND VISA VERSA).
I respect every officer I interact with, and am raising my children to revere them as well. Every officer should look at their peers and think about that.
No one is in a better position to improve image and ferret out the bottom 10% than the officers themselves.
Shoudl be in all professions. Not just LEO. But of course we know the last time there was anything perfect, he was nailed to a tree....
So there is what should happen, and reality.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
So cops should stop enforcing traffic laws? Do you have any idea how many crimes (not traffic infractions) that are solved through traffic stops? How many wanted felons are taken off the streets because they violated some "bullshit traffic violation"?
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
Most of em here do let em go.....
I've had more warnings then tickets in Wyoming. In Colorado, it's often more about the revenue, so not so much, but the still varies by city and county. Generally these differences have more to do with the local governments and less to do with the individual officers. Some local governments get it, some don't.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
For the record... The point I was making is this... A seatbelt infraction exist for the sole purpose of extracting revenue. It is not, in any way, shape, or for meant to change behavior or save lives. In fact the NTSB can only show a 50/50 chance on being injured with (or without) a seatbelt being in use. So if its a coin flip how do they justify making a law requiring it? At the same time what are the injury rates for motorcycle accidents? In my state I can be pulled over by a bike cop for not wearing a seatbelt in a truck with 4 airbags while carrying people in the truck bed. That's fkin ridiculous.
The anti-vacer thinks seat belts don't save lives.
What a surprise.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
So cops should stop enforcing traffic laws? Do you have any idea how many crimes (not traffic infractions) that are solved through traffic stops? How many wanted felons are taken off the streets because they violated some "bullshit traffic violation"?
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
I have, far, far more times than I wrote a ticket. Most cops write warning tickets, or just give warnings. Some write everything. I know a couple of those and they are not well liked in the Department for their "black & white" view of the world.
Some agencies will not allow the officers to give warnings. That is something that needs to be addressed by the citizens to the politicians.
Please remember, it is YOUR department. Make your wishes known and not on an internet forum, but to the powers that be in your community.
Ed
Glad to know there are departments that allow discretion.
I wish I was allowed it in my job. Unfortunately mine is black and white and if I let anything go it hangs over my head and will generally eventually come back to visit me. Had one last week... building codes are yes or no, not maybe... and I really am starting to kinda hate that part of the job. But follow the rules and neihter of us will have an issue.
I will also admit to getting a break from LEO because of my fire plates. But I mostly dare them to find me speeding unless I'm on the way to a call. And I appreciate the leeway when responding to the station or an EMS call in my personal vehicle. Sooner we get there the better things generally turn out.
I would not hold it against a single LEO to write me a speeding ticket when not on a call. I might not like it. I do have an issue to sometimes not completely stop at a stop sign. And I am guilty of 40 in a 30 most mornings as I come into town, beyond that I rarely speed or violate. But if I am, I am.
As to other posts RE seatbelts, IMHO it should never be a law and airbags should not be required..
I can also tell you this much, being on wreck calls a LOT, I keep putting my belt on and thankful my vehicle has airbags.... Iv'e seen the results too many times, of the lack of both... and its killed a lot of folks. And airlifted a lot more. Things a person should not have to see. And would not often, if folks would take it upon themselves... But again its a personal choice IMHO and should also be reflected in their insurance rates vs mine. Just like smoking or not etc.....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
So cops should stop enforcing traffic laws? Do you have any idea how many crimes (not traffic infractions) that are solved through traffic stops? How many wanted felons are taken off the streets because they violated some "bullshit traffic violation"?
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
Because sometimes the person really NEEDS a ticket before they kill someone.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
Game Warden caught me and another guy marking off a section of road out in the boonies back in the day...Boys, country quarters will cost you two bills.
State Trooper told me once that getting a ticket was like taking money and lighting it on fire. 86 in a 55 and loud mufflers that time.
I got smarter quick on donations and went to the tracks.
Originally Posted By: slumlord
people that text all day get on my nerves
just knowing that people are out there with that ability,....just makes me wanna punch myself in the balls
For the record... The point I was making is this... A seatbelt infraction exist for the sole purpose of extracting revenue. It is not, in any way, shape, or for meant to change behavior or save lives. In fact the NTSB can only show a 50/50 chance on being injured with (or without) a seatbelt being in use. So if its a coin flip how do they justify making a law requiring it? At the same time what are the injury rates for motorcycle accidents? In my state I can be pulled over by a bike cop for not wearing a seatbelt in a truck with 4 airbags while carrying people in the truck bed. That's fkin ridiculous.
The anti-vacer thinks seat belts don't save lives.
What a surprise.
Let's make a law against everything that takes lives and leave choice out of it. So let's start at the top killers... Poor Diet and lack of exercise. Want to set up checkpoints at burger king? Mandate exercise? Force feed statins to fat kids?
Personally, I don't GAF! I drive a 72 with lap belts. Cops gonna have to be riding on top of a city bus to see if I'm wearing one.
So cops should stop enforcing traffic laws? Do you have any idea how many crimes (not traffic infractions) that are solved through traffic stops? How many wanted felons are taken off the streets because they violated some "bullshit traffic violation"?
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
Most of em here do let em go.....
I"m about tired of the incesant pounding the LEO gets here.
In ANYTHING< and thats LEO included, there are likely 10% that are no good. 10% that are above average, and the other 80 percent does their job and are humans and do a good job at it.
I"m tired of bashing 90 because of 10...
Aah men to that!!!! I've found over the years that 99.9% of the time it all depends on the attitude you take when you have that discussion with the officer as to whether you get a ticket or a warning. Been there, done that and have walked away without the ticket all because of my attitude toward the officer.
For the record... The point I was making is this... A seatbelt infraction exist for the sole purpose of extracting revenue. It is not, in any way, shape, or for meant to change behavior or save lives. In fact the NTSB can only show a 50/50 chance on being injured with (or without) a seatbelt being in use. So if its a coin flip how do they justify making a law requiring it? At the same time what are the injury rates for motorcycle accidents? In my state I can be pulled over by a bike cop for not wearing a seatbelt in a truck with 4 airbags while carrying people in the truck bed. That's fkin ridiculous.
The anti-vacer thinks seat belts don't save lives.
What a surprise.
Let's make a law against everything that takes lives and leave choice out of it. So let's start at the top killers... Poor Diet and lack of exercise. Want to set up checkpoints at burger king? Mandate exercise? Force feed statins to fat kids?
Personally, I don't GAF! I drive a 72 with lap belts. Cops gonna have to be riding on top of a city bus to see if I'm wearing one.
I never said it should be a law.
I was commenting on your display of ignorance, and how it didn't surprise me considering your previous comments on things such as vaccines.
The two simplest, lowest cost things a person can do to extend their life expectancy is to be vaccinated, and wear your seat-belt, and you don't believe in either one.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
So cops should stop enforcing traffic laws? Do you have any idea how many crimes (not traffic infractions) that are solved through traffic stops? How many wanted felons are taken off the streets because they violated some "bullshit traffic violation"?
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
Most of em here do let em go.....
I"m about tired of the incesant pounding the LEO gets here.
In ANYTHING< and thats LEO included, there are likely 10% that are no good. 10% that are above average, and the other 80 percent does their job and are humans and do a good job at it.
I"m tired of bashing 90 because of 10...
Aah men to that!!!! I've found over the years that 99.9% of the time it all depends on the attitude you take when you have that discussion with the officer as to whether you get a ticket or a warning. Been there, done that and have walked away without the ticket all because of my attitude toward the officer.
Ass kissing only works with EXACTLY the kind of person who has no business with a badge.
When I was young I had a few runs with the law which were generally alcohol induced and 99.9% my doing but looking back I seem to remember being treated about the same way I treated them. Fortunately I grew out of that and other than meeting the occasional LEO through business or recreation I don't even know they exist. Matter of fact, I haven't even had a ticket in over 30 years. I did however get stopped a few years ago in Riggins ID (a notorious speed trap) while bringing a dog back from southern ID about 2:00 am. After seeing my driving record and chatting for a few minutes I think the officer almost felt guilty for stopping me. He gave me a verbal warning and wished me a safe trip home.
Course, I don't live in a big city and times are definitely changing with affirmative action, unions, and the militarization thing but I'd bet 80-90% still treat people the same way.
All that said, stuff like this disturbs me and should disturb the "good" LEO's as well.
Come on...lets be honest here for criss sakes. Traffic tickets is one of the largest growth industries in America money wise. It's a multi Billion Dollar industry that's growing by leaps and bounds.
And it is about the money, period. Motorists are the most taxed, fee'ed and fined cash cow in America. Being used to support a bloated system that would collapse if it didn't prey upon drivers.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
For the record... The point I was making is this... A seatbelt infraction exist for the sole purpose of extracting revenue. It is not, in any way, shape, or for meant to change behavior or save lives. In fact the NTSB can only show a 50/50 chance on being injured with (or without) a seatbelt being in use. So if its a coin flip how do they justify making a law requiring it? At the same time what are the injury rates for motorcycle accidents? In my state I can be pulled over by a bike cop for not wearing a seatbelt in a truck with 4 airbags while carrying people in the truck bed. That's fkin ridiculous.
The anti-vacer thinks seat belts don't save lives.
What a surprise.
Let's make a law against everything that takes lives and leave choice out of it. So let's start at the top killers... Poor Diet and lack of exercise. Want to set up checkpoints at burger king? Mandate exercise? Force feed statins to fat kids?
Personally, I don't GAF! I drive a 72 with lap belts. Cops gonna have to be riding on top of a city bus to see if I'm wearing one.
I never said it should be a law.
I was commenting on your display of ignorance, and how it didn't surprise me considering your previous comments on things such as vaccines.
The two simplest, lowest cost things a person can do to extend their life expectancy is to be vaccinated, and wear your seat-belt, and you don't believe in either one.
You know, your right. I don't believe. accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.
Show me proof and I'll accept that. I'm not into faith on the part of government and doctors. Both have been shown to be wrong in to many instances. Find me an unvaccinated autistic child. And find the millions of uninjured person who had seatbelts on. I don't work for the NTSB, I just fund them. And they calculated that your chances are 50/50.
Sam, I have never talked like that to anyone that didn't start the exchange by being a complete asshat and continuing until my patience was gone.
I am a patient person, but everyone has their limits and we are all human. It has nothing to do with "the POWER" and I got in hot water for both of those.
Ed
Thank you and Daniel Harless for your oversight of the community.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
If you stop someone for a bull$hit traffic violation and a real 'crime' (not a traffic infraction) is solved through that traffic stop...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...? If a wanted felon is taken off the streets because they violated some bull$hit traffic violation...then that's great. But if not, then why don't you just let the guy go without a ticket...?
Most of em here do let em go.....
I"m about tired of the incesant pounding the LEO gets here.
In ANYTHING< and thats LEO included, there are likely 10% that are no good. 10% that are above average, and the other 80 percent does their job and are humans and do a good job at it.
I"m tired of bashing 90 because of 10...
Aah men to that!!!! I've found over the years that 99.9% of the time it all depends on the attitude you take when you have that discussion with the officer as to whether you get a ticket or a warning. Been there, done that and have walked away without the ticket all because of my attitude toward the officer.
Yes, you must grovel to get out of a ticket.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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