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Originally Posted by 4ager
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You support them through your union dues.

What has the left done to curtail illegal immigration and for the working class? Nada.

I agree with you on the Rs not being worth a f'k. I don't give money to the Ds, either, though.


You aren't listening, I am not a fan of democrats, I hate the Democrats, but they are not out to lower my wages or take away my pension plan, the GOP is. You see, I have no representation, I hate the fact my dues go to the democrats, but I have to hold my nose and accept it, if left to Republicans I would be right down there with the non-unions with half assed medical, no pension, and no money to retire on until SS kicks in.

Get over it, the GOP is no more your friend than the democrats are.


Oh, I'm listening and I'm telling you what you don't want to hear.

No f'kin' schit the Rs are no more friend to the Constitution and country than the Ds. You refuse to donate to the Rs because they are one enemy, but you voluntarily donate to the Ds through your union dues.

The Rs aren't out to take away your pension, nor lower your wages. RTW doesn't do that. That's simply union scare tactics.



I can't control who the union donates their money to, I understand why they give it to the democrats not the GOP, the GOP is trying to destroy the union, the democrats are not, surly you understand and agree with that?

For this, you think I should quit job number one, and go back to job number two? Not a chance, and neither would you, even if you can't admit it here..








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Originally Posted by 4ager
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Unions were designed to keep all Yankees up north
and Calis in Cali. Epic fail.


OK, stay rebel proud and broke.


He is very, very far from broke.



Speaking generalities, I have seen plenty of Texans come out here for the wages. You know the knock on Texas is plenty of jobs, lower paying jobs.







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You know the knock on Texas is plenty of jobs, lower paying jobs.




Lots of that cheap mesican labor ya know wink


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I remember when the Tea Party first surfaced, one of the ideas they floated as part of their platform was this..

No tariffs on foreign products imported to the United States, hence no trade war, however tariffs on goods made by American companies made overseas with cheap labor and then brought back to the USA to sell in the US market?

Sound like a good idea to help keep jobs in America? Think the GOP would ever go for it?







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We have it here now too, but they used to be limited to the non-union jobs, now through the magic of Obama, who knows.







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We're getting em from S America. el salvadorians and the like.


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Here's what happens when "Right to Work" (for less money) comes into a state.......Oklahoma.

Oklahoma went "Right to Work" in 2001 and actually had fewer employers come into Oklahoma rather than more.....and the ones that DID come in were bottom feeders that were so marginally successful that they HAD to have the CHEAPEST possible labor to survive.

In other words....."Right to Work" attracts scum employers needing to exploit desperately poor employees.

And then......Oklahoma lost 20,000 jobs to China because these sleazy employers were still failing and had to go find EVEN CHEAPER labor.

http://www.afscme.org/blog/right-to-works-racist-roots

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Originally Posted by watch4bear
We're getting em from S America. el salvadorians and the like.


Ya, us too. Pretty crazy those from Central America, they'll be out there working a slab in 90 degree heat wearing hoodies with their hoods on. White concrete crews are almost a think of the past, at least redi-mix driving still requires you be English speaking...until CA starts printing all the road signs in Spanish, and Obama gives them all driver's licenses, then who knows, it is CEMEX. I should be long gone by the time the illegals make a move on our jobs.







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Originally Posted by acooper1983
dont want to be union, dont get a job somewhere that has an organized shop, pretty easy..
forcing someone to join a union as a condition of work is a violation of their civil right. It's like forcing them to join the dem party or the Nazi party.

If the union is a good deal for the employees then they should be able to convince the employees individually to join.

The government unions are a disaster for the country because they buy the elections for politicians who reward them with insane pay and benefits from the public trough.

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Originally Posted by Barkoff


I can't control who the union donates their money to, I understand why they give it to the democrats not the GOP, the GOP is trying to destroy the union, the democrats are not, surly you understand and agree with that?

For this, you think I should quit job number one, and go back to job number two? Not a chance, and neither would you, even if you can't admit it here..


You just proved my point. In your state, you have no choice in your job as to whether or not you have to pay union dues. In a RTW state, you can have that job and choose not to pay those dues for whatever reasons you determine, or pay them if you choose to do so.


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The kick is the mesicans are pissed off at the south americans for taking the work too cheap grin


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Nobody is forcing them to join a union to work, there are plenty of non-union jobs, they should go find one.

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If the union is a good deal for the employees then they should be able to convince the employees individualy


There will always be some willing to take the advantages and not pay their end. I have no problem with giving them the choice so long as they are willing to take non-union prevailing wage for the area they applied in...fair enough?








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Problem is......in the "RIGHT to WORK" (for less money) states everybody's wages go down.

I guess most everybody can see how that cannot be a GOOD thing.



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Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot
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The right to work only refers to those who want to work at a union shop, enjoy the benefits of the union, but not pay their dues.


But as TFA (The F2ckin Article) pointed out, what you just said is a lie. It's the union that decides whether or not to cover people who haven't paid dues.


And, as a somewhat-related issue, aren't there shops where you can pay the % of dues needed for negotiation of wages and bennies, but withhold the % of dues used for political activity?


Yes, GM-UAW does. You only pay the bargining fee to the National union. They come around annually (I believe) with check off cards which allows a person to contribute to their PAC through payroll deduction. The union doesn't bother me about contributing, they already know what their answer will be.

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Ok, I have two jobs to offer you today.

The first job we offer is driving redi-mix in a union shop, the base pay is $34 an hour, medical paid for you and your family by the employer at no additional cost. You will have a Teamster pension, overtime after 8 hours, OT on any Saturday. In addition the company will contribute to an additional $1 an hour to an IRA, and you are able to add to that up to 20% of your pay.
The main drawback is you will pay in dues at $105 per month, and if you belong to the 24 Hour Campfire you will have to endure being called “a slacker, a leech and a liberal”.

The second job we offer today is also a redi-mix driver position with a non-union company. We offer you $24 an hour, and medical, however if you wish to insure your family also, a $600 deduction per month, will be deducted from your $24 per hour pay. The company will provide you a 401K, however we will put nothing into it, if you the employee wishes to contribute, that will come out of your $24 an hour. You will receive OT not after eight, but rather after 40 hours a week, and Saturday pay shall be time and a half, only if you have incurred 40 hours during the week.
The upside is you may come to the 24 Hour campfire and claim to be a good Republican, a big man, your own man, and not be leeching off your employer.


So which one you going to apply for Ace? If you say job #2, you're full of schitt.


I don't know which bothers me more - the fact that you think a redi-mix driver should earn $34/hour when it is a $12/hour job or the fact that you see nothing wrong with wanting something for nothing. Unions are just another form of socialism, everyone is the same, good employees can't move up, poor employees can't get fired, no incentive to do your best, just continue churning out the same crap year after year. Get a JOB and stand on your own two feet/merits. Take responsibility for yourself, if you fail or succeed, so be it, but at least it was you and not someone else doing your bidding for you. You don't need you mama's apron strings!

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Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by Jocko_Slugshot
Originally Posted by BarryC
Originally Posted by Barkoff

The right to work only refers to those who want to work at a union shop, enjoy the benefits of the union, but not pay their dues.


But as TFA (The F2ckin Article) pointed out, what you just said is a lie. It's the union that decides whether or not to cover people who haven't paid dues.


And, as a somewhat-related issue, aren't there shops where you can pay the % of dues needed for negotiation of wages and bennies, but withhold the % of dues used for political activity?


Yes, GM-UAW does. You only pay the bargining fee to the National union. They come around annually (I believe) with check off cards which allows a person to contribute to their PAC through payroll deduction. The union doesn't bother me about contributing, they already know what their answer will be.


AJ, thanks for the clarification.


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Originally Posted by Barkoff
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You support them through your union dues.

What has the left done to curtail illegal immigration and for the working class? Nada.

I agree with you on the Rs not being worth a f'k. I don't give money to the Ds, either, though.


You aren't listening, I am not a fan of democrats, I hate the Democrats, but they are not out to lower my wages or take away my pension plan, the GOP is. You see, I have no representation, I hate the fact my dues go to the democrats, but I have to hold my nose and accept it, if left to Republicans I would be right down there with the non-unions with half assed medical, no pension, and no money to retire on until SS kicks in.

Get over it, the GOP is no more your friend than the democrats are.


Agreed, wages trump the Constitution.

This is where the word CONVICTION comes into play. Very few stick to them if if puts them out. That tells me all I need to know about a 'man'

If a person will not stick to their convictions, that person has no integrity and isn't worth a flying [bleep].


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Steelhead,
He is a California Yankee. What do you expect? laugh


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

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Originally Posted by BarryC
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I guess toady more and more people feel that a decent wage, health coverage, and a pension, is a greedy thing to desire.

It's not the desire for those things that wrong, it's the extortion used by unions in getting those that is wrong. Unions are no better than organized crime.


Why should extortion be the only litmus test? What about murder, mayhem, outright theft, and unfair trade practices? Those issues qualify many of the corporations that are currently stuck with union labor as no better than organized crime. And corporate political donations outstrip union donations.

Unions would never have got off the ground if not for the nefarious practices of many of the early industrialists.


Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.




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