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Marc Reisner came to a CA Farm Bureau annual dinner as a guest speaker in northern ca about a year before he passed away. He was a great speaker,but I have to admit I never read his book.
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I farm in the central valley so I'm biased as well but my opinion is if you live/farm in So Cal or any other naturally arid region you should be prepared to suck hind tit during dry periods. My irrigation district sells excess water during wet years and during droughts like now we still get a decent allotment of irrigation water. We pay for the water and have PAYED for the infastructure to store it. Problem is everything is based off the maximum water available not the median.
And I'm supposed to sit here and listen to the SOCAL liberal Greyghost piss on everyones leg about how farming is the devil GFY.
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Marc Reisner's book, "Cadilac Desert", is a good read. But his bias came from being a writer for the NRDC.
Agriculture has been the heart of the California economy since the end of the Gold Rush. If it uses 80% of the water, that's a good use compared to golf courses, huge green lawns, and private swiming pools.
Food in the USA is remarkably affordable compared to other countries. So the Sacramento-San Joaquin and Imperial Valleys are a national asset.
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I'm hearing this last week in the media that 40 % is ag's use. I've heard this before but Gov. Brown said it publicly so it must be true.
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Water and agriculture.
Now you all know why splitting California into separate states, or districts, is brought up often. And why it will never happen.
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Poor Southern California.
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Water and agriculture.
Now you all know why splitting California into separate states, or districts, is brought up often. And why it will never happen. As part of a split, you can bet that the feds would step in and take control, calling it interstate commerce. Then the real problems begin.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416918/no-farmers-dont-use-80-percent-californias-water-devin-nunes?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5531adff04d3010b2c000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
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Agriculture if ever being the heart of California's economy it didn't last long. Heavy Industry has been the majority of the economy since way before the 1900's.
Agriculture amounts to about 2% today, and that is being generous!
Nobody is talking about getting rid of AG, just being a little more wise when it comes to which crops and growing methods.
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Never understood why people complain about mother nature bitting them in the azz when they live beyond the means of the land. Even worse is politicians trying to create, or say they will, an environment that is the polar opposite of what it is. California is what it is. Adapt or move somewhere else that is more to your liking.
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Next time you eat a burger you better have it without lettuce or tomatoes. Ed LMAO at your arrogance, I am not going to starve or miss your lettuce and tomatoes. But you are because without water that stuff doesn't grow in the desert. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
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It would be nice if they went back to where they came from. Ed
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That is exactly how the rest of us feel.
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Swifty, I got news for you, you ignorant SOB. I didn't make my bed. You friggen dust bowlers are what started the move out here in large droves. Then the ones that didn't come with the dust bowl came to work in the ship yards during WW2, then your friggen kin came. I am 69 years old, went to a little country school, 75% of the kids at that school were born in the mid west. Hell I can talk okie with the best of them. Calif. is not all desert and not all libs. Some of us have been here since before it was a state, and no I am not Mexican. By the way lettuce is not grown in the desert, it is grown in the Salinas Valley on the coast. Tomatoes are grown in the Sacramento Valley and neither valley was ever a desert. If you don't know about the land in California you should keep your trap shut. ED
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Backroads, I don't know Montana well, but I would bet most of the so called Californians that moved there aren't true Californians. They are the same people we have trouble with. ED
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No wonder you are so Phlucking ignorant. In 69 years you haven't learned chit. You weren't even around in the dust bowl so how would you know first hand whether any of my kin ever phlucking moved there you ignorant bastid. Matter of fact you weren't even a wet spot in your mommas dreams when the dust bowl hit. You all are the ones that let in all the spics and chinks so you could get cheap phlucking labor and line your pockets. And after the first amnesty when they all quit, you brought in more. Pure phlucking genius. No wonder you speak Okie instead of English. If you were an old mid west type as you say conserving resources would come natural, we didn't drain a 1,000,000 acre foot lake here during the 5 years of drought, you did, phlucking ignorant azzholes.
By the way I am 63 and still don't need you Kalifonia BS to survive. You ignorant phluckers aren't the center of the universe except in your own ignorant minds.
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You are right you don't need California to survive, much like I damn sure don't need Nebraska. I damn sure don't need some ignorant son of a bitch in Nebraska telling me about California. You don't know [bleep] about this country. I will admit it is f##ked up, but it got that way from all the people moving here and looking for a free ride. Spics? I know some good ones and just like the trailer trash there are some bad ones. Chinks? I don't personally know any, but I imagine the same applies. People from Nebraska would be the same. I think you probably would fall into the trailer trash category. Surprised you have lived 63 yrs and someone hasn't killed you you mouthy son of a bitch. Your turn lol.
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You are right you don't need California to survive, much like I damn sure don't need Nebraska. I damn sure don't need some ignorant son of a bitch in Nebraska telling me about California. You don't know [bleep] about this country. I will admit it is f##ked up, but it got that way from all the people moving here and looking for a free ride. Spics? I know some good ones and just like the trailer trash there are some bad ones. Chinks? I don't personally know any, but I imagine the same applies. People from Nebraska would be the same. I think you probably would fall into the trailer trash category. Surprised you have lived 63 yrs and someone hasn't killed you you mouthy son of a bitch. Your turn lol. LMAO at that. Funny thing is a couple little yellow bastids tried to do just that back in 71, more than once and didn't get the job done. They were better men than you.
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All of the bickering aside, this is another example of the people in this country living beyond their means.
Lack of water during a seasonal drought is really no different than a person defaulting on debt after being loosing their job and having to get by with less pay.
It is happening over and over and over. Now they are trying to rob Peter to pay Paul. This house of cards is going to fall and fall hard.
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You all are the ones that let in all the spics and chinks so you could get cheap phlucking labor and line your pockets. And after the first amnesty when they all quit, you brought in more. Pure phlucking genius. No wonder you speak Okie instead of English. Swifty, any messicans in Nebraska? If so, what are they doing there? No state has a corner on big business bringing in cheap labor, that I know of. Carry on with the fight though, I just wanted to interject a very temporary bit of fact. Sycamore
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