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I have several Pacific Reaserch stocks on my rifles and like them. I was wondering if The Borden produced version is the same quality.
-Doc-

Yes but I don't much care for his efforts at camo.

Washington riflemaker Jim Cloward designed the PR stock. He uses Rimrocks now, and isn't shy about it. The Rimrock on the pre-64 M-70 35 Whelen he built for me matches the PR on the Cloward pre-64 M-70 308 I bought used, and which is now my favorite rifle.

Along with building the 35 Whelen for me, Jim has worked on a bunch of my rifles. He's as crotchety and opinionated as any of us, so if he still uses them, I'll bet they're sound.

I can't comment on the camo - I'm a Rustoleum guy.


Okie John

They have the same lines but I don't think their construction is identical. I used a lot of Pacific Research, later named 'Rimrock' by Foss Miller before they quit making them. They were hand laid fiberglass with moulded in fiberglass pillars. I later used a Rimrock from Jim Borden and when I started to remove some of the material to bed it I found that it was the same white stuff you see in McMillan stocks. No more fiberglass cloth under the paint in the foreend. Can't comment any further than that since I've not seen them made. If Jim Cloward uses them still I would take that as a valuable endorsment.

I have both and the last one I got from Borden mirrored Mickey's experience. I intend to send it back to Jim to have it pillar bedded, but have not done so yet, since it shoots very well the way that it is. The barrel sits too high in the stock and it just doesn't look right--maybe after it comes back from Namibia later this month...

Thanks for the input guys. The barrel set too high in the Rimrock stock also but they did not require pillar bedding and they had good stiff forends with fiberglass in the barrel channel. I havent replaced a stock for awhile but might give the Borden a try if they make a stock for a Win short action. That strange looking tupperware stock has to go thats for sure. The Bansner stock would be my second choice. The last I checked McMillan was to pricey for me.
-Doc-

The only game in town is McMillan. Bansners are okay. But for a no holds barred kickass hunting rifle, McMillan is the only game in town.

I'll leave Bordens as is, won't comment on them in a public forum.

Once again, the only game in town is McMillan..................

MtnHtr

Thanks I understand the public forum thing. How about a PM.
-Doc-

[quote]The only game in town is McMillan. Bansners are okay. But for a no holds barred kickass hunting rifle, McMillan is the only game in town.

I'll leave Bordens as is, won't comment on them in a public forum.

Once again, the only game in town is McMillan..................



I beg to differ. I've used a bunch of Brown Precision "Pounder" blanks over the years with excellent results. You can also get them with Kevlar and Carbon fiber if every last ounce (and stiffness) matters to you. I like the ergonomics of the Brown hunting stock and they are easy to modify if you like to do your own glass work and want to add a palm swell, skinny up the fore end, or whatever.


Jordan

Brown stocks = Bondo Billy.

A McMillan will always trump a Brown in all categories! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

Thats good humor!
The McMillan are very nicely finished and well made. The Brown kevlar is a pita to finish, if you choose that option - one I don't think McMillan offers. The McMillan can't touch the Pounder for weight loss. That is a very simple fact.

I have 5 rimrock stocks, 6 brown precision stocks & 2 Mcmillian. Personally the Browns fit me better so they go into the field with me. 1 of the mcmillians is a 700ks brown imitation which also goes to the field but I don't think it is a better stock than the Browns.

McM's Edge will put a Brown Pounder to shame. Not even a close race...........

This board is McM fixated, I've owned everyone stated, Brown, Bansner, McM, Borden, they all make excellent stocks, some a little bit more difficult to finish, but all turn out well. I haven't odered an Edge yet, but the statement:McM's Edge will put a Brown Pounder to shame. Not even a close race........... I'll believe it when i see it. the Brown fits me extremly well, is veerryy light and I've never had a problem. McM are great stocks, but not the one and only. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You shall see the light................. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

Actually, I beg to differ. You can ONLY get the Pound'r as a Kevlar stock. Not all of Brown's stocks are Pound'rs.

I've got three Brown stocks on personal rifles now, and they are good stocks. However, if I were to calculate all the time they took to get to the point that McMillans come from the factory, I'd be way ahead by sucking up and ordering the McMillan.

The one glaring hole in McMillan's lineup, IMO, is a nice straight combed, open gripped, cheekpieced (technical term) sporter of modest proportions for the Winchester Model 70. Their Supergrade is OK, but I would like a stock with a more open grip, rounder fore-arm, and withtout the topline of the stock cut down like the factory.

Bansners are light, and that is one of their only redeeming qualities.

I have a Brown Pound'r, and a McMillan EDGE. Mtn Hunter's observations are 100%, undeniably spot on. The EDGE very well could spell the end for the Pound'r, as it is a vastly superior product.

Just think of all the work you would lose, lol. McM does make a great stock but you are limited in the offerings outside of the remington inlett. iwould also like to see more choice for the mauser and Winchester, very limited in those offerings. BTW, I'm still impressed with the Bansner you did for me, great job. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

mcmillan or bust......Blake

Anymore I'd go McMillan Edge first, Bansner second. The Edge is a great stock, just wish it had the same lines (straight comb) as the Bansner...

I've done three Bordens on M70's recently. All three required a lot of fiddling to get the barreled actions to sit perfectly level and straight in the stock, and to get the tang lines to meet cleanly.

They also required more fitting to get the magazine and two piece bottom metal to time properly. I believe this is due to the inletting being molded in, rather than CNC inletted like Mcmillans are.

More bothersome, is that they were all recent manufacture Pre-64 blanks, and they weighed 28, 32, and 36 oz. That is a LOT of epoxy hiding (or missing) somewhere, and shows (to me) that there is not a lot of control in production methods.

The last stock I bought was a McMillan, and I just ordered an Edge from Rick today, as I no longer have the time to save money by buying cheaper blanks.