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You have to factor that it lessens the sting of the Government, through taxation and crazy other crazy laws, have driven the manufacturing jobs from the United States. Unions helped too, but I think it was mostly the federal government. Without the free stuff, the people would have paid more attention to this when it was happening. miles
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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I'm not in that system and apparently (according to your article) it's being addressed. What about yours?
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ALL police officers in Texas receive health care subsidies if they retire before the age of 65.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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Campfire Kahuna
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No. I could retire now, if we did.
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Campfire Kahuna
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The 1st century Christian church also had it's share of freeloaders. Here's what the Bible has to say about it: 2Thes 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
βIn a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.β β George Orwell
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We don't get retiree health care. What business is it of mine if the guys YOU elect want to give to YOUR public employees? I am retired from the Arkansas Highway Department, where I paid 6% of my gross wages, for 37 years, into the retirement fund. The Highway Department retirement fund is separate from the other State retirement systems and ours is in very good shape, due to good management and higher retirement ages, and we contribute more. Every Legislative session that I can remember, the State Troopers have tried, without success, to merge their retirement system with that of the Highway Department. They pay very little into the system and start retiring at 20 years service, where the Highway system is 28 and has been lowered from 35 in recent years. The police system is in shambles. Just shows that operated correctly, systems will work. miles
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No. I could retire now, if we did. Harry knows more about you, your state and your situation by the mere fact that he lives in Massa2shits, you dumbphuck...
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I've paid 5% into out retirement for 33 years, and could technically retire (quit and do something else) with a pension of approximately 30% of what I make now. No health care. That's okay through...it's growing exponentially now.
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No. I could retire now, if we did. Harry knows more about you, your state and your situation by the mere fact that he lives in Massa2shits, you dumbphuck... I know right? I only respond in case some kid reads it and thinks it's real.
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I've paid 5% into out retirement for 33 years, and could technically retire (quit and do something else) with a pension of approximately 30% of what I make now. No health care. That's okay through...it's growing exponentially now. It's what you take out that matters, not what you pay in. 5% ain't much considering the stock market just recovered from the 2000/1 downturn. However, regardless of that you have a defined benefit pension and not a 401K system that pays a defined benefit regardless of what was paid in and regardless of what it's earned, or hasn't.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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It's not defined. It is invested in stocks and bonds and dependent on return. If you need a reason to be miserable, look out your window instead of your computer screen.
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It's not defined. It is invested in stocks and bonds and dependent on return. If you need a reason to be miserable, look out your window instead of your computer screen. Well, if you are gonna be untruthful then what's the point. ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PENSIONS ARE DEFINED BENEFIT PENSIONS Without EXCEPTION What do you think...this is my first rodeo.. Geezz, maybe you should retire in San Antonio... http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...-fire-medical-plans-targeted-5238686.php
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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See, Harry knows all via GoogleFu
Mighty powerful
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OK, so it's 86% are DB, so tell us what town/city you work in and then we can all see what is what....no harm in that eh? http://www.heritage.org/research/re...es-used-to-defend-public-sector-pensions
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PENSIONS ARE DEFINED BENEFIT PENSIONS
Without EXCEPTION
Nope. Ours is invested in 80% bonds, which is defined, making our return, somewhat defined. ..and I wish I did work for SA, but I don't, hind site being 20/20. Thank you for making my point though, not every place is the same. Have a great day...I'm out.
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Why do they receive taxpayer funds at all? Let the local churches and charities handle it.
......or they can just get off their freeloading ass and get a job!!!
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Why do they receive taxpayer funds at all? Let the local churches and charities handle it.
Churches and charities are "welfare" due to tax subsidies/deductions.
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Thank you for making my point though, not every place is the same. Have a great day...I'm out. And, our defined retirement system changed a lot over the 37 years that I worked there. miles
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I would support unlimited welfare for all - no time limits either..... but what I call welfare would be a little different than what is offered today.
In my view welfare camps are the answer. Housing and meals provided. No drugs or alcohol and required work or education. Lights out at 10 and trumpets sound at 7 am.
Don't like it? Prefer to be a hood rat? Fine - no soup for you. That's been essentially my take on it for many years.
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