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A souped up .30 carbine doesn't excite me much. That said, if you could get cans without paperwork and a tax stamp I would consider getting one.
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in fairness 110 grain BO is 2300FPS in a 16 inch barrel vs 1900 fps in an 18 inch barrel for the carbine.
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In fairness I did say "souped up".
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A souped up .30 carbine doesn't excite me much. That said, if you could get cans without paperwork and a tax stamp I would consider getting one. You can get without all the hassle. They aren't legal but just sayin.... Paperwork didn't take much or much time to get them once I put my mind to it...
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Why not get a Mini 30 with a slightly more powerful, and much less expensive, round? - .308 vs .311 bullets - can run subsonic if you want Ballistics between the two are so close it doesn't make any difference.
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saw one at a LGS yesterday, right next to a CORE15. The juxtaposition of the two was prophetic.
I was further enlightened by the proprieter that CORE actually made all their uppers and lowers at their little gun shop in Ocala!
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300 AAC
No thanks
Anemic round?
OMG yes and way way way over rated I have an AR in 300 Blackout and like it a lot. Anemic? It can easily push 208g A-MAX bullets to supersonic velocities. One reason I got it was to run them at subsonic velocities with a can. My .308W Scout can also run 208g A-MAX at subsonic velocities, a load I would also intend to use with a can. Guess I should sell the Blackout and keep the Scout since it has more case capacity and is therefore not "anemic", even though the subsonic velocities are the same?
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How accurate do you find the subsonic 300BO with the can vs the 308 win subsonic with the can?
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Isn't a subsonic 200gr bullet called a 45ACP?
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Isn't a subsonic 200gr bullet called a 45ACP? Isn't it 230 grains?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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JWP right there you hit the nail square on the head, the emperor's new clothes....
the only merit that I could see in the round is that in supersonic loadings it develops its speed in 10 inches of barrel, but then it must be a pistol or an SBR, from 10 up to 16.5 inches it only adds "about" 200FPS.
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300 BLK has an advantage over 308 Win when subsonics are used and that is TWIST RATE. Unless one is ordering a custom barrel for 308 with a twist of 1:8" or faster, the 300 BLK is superior for subsonic use. Accuracy difference is moot. Neither is benchrest accurate with subs, but 300 BLK can fire projectiles with more mass (generally, due to twist rate) and is less expensive to load.
I have used both 300 BLK and 308 for subs with a suppressor, and a 1:10" twist 308 barrel will not stabilize heavy projectiles. Heaviest I could go with 1:10" subsonic was 185 grains. 190's keyhole. 300 BLK barrels are 8" twist or faster. My 1:8" works for up to 230, and my 1:7" barrel can use the 240 SMK.
For those that ask why 300 BLK over a subsonic 45: VERSATILITY and SECTIONAL DENSITY.
While a 45 acp can do subsonic as well as a 300 BLK, it's a one trick pony. It can't also fire 110-125 grain bullets at 2350. Nor does it have the sectional density for penetration or resistance to wind that heavy 308 projectiles do, so there is an advanatage there.
To stay on topic: this was a natural move for Ruger. I don't care for the Mini-14 and won't be buying one but it should sell for them, and it helps their partner Hornady sell more ammo so I think it's a good thing in the market place.
I'm amazed at how fast the 300 BLK has taken off, and I think it's for good reason. I don't always require the power or reach of a full power 308 to hunt, I like being able to take a 6 lb AR and go.
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How accurate do you find the subsonic 300BO with the can vs the 308 win subsonic with the can? Don't have a can yet, but getting one is high on my acquisition list. THat said, I plan to get a set-up where I can use the same can on my .300 BLK, .308 Scout and AR-15. (Knowing it won't be ideal on the .223.) The .300BLK with the 208g subsonic A-MAX is quite accurate - more so than I will need. (i.e. I was able to blast clay pigeons at 100 with them.)
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which was my point in starting this thread, the mini 14 is probably at best a 2-3MOA gun despite those who would swear the 1 MOA group they got that "one time" is characteristic of the gun. The BO with its 7 or 8 twist barrel is not a bench rest cartridge and thus well suited to a 2-3 MOA platform, and well good enough for sub 150 yard shots on thin skinned animals when 110's are launched at 2200 FPS. As a subsonic round JWP is right, its about a .45ACP in power.
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which was my point in starting this thread, the mini 14 is probably at best a 2-3MOA gun despite those who would swear the 1 MOA group they got that "one time" is characteristic of the gun. The BO with its 7 or 8 twist barrel is not a bench rest cartridge and thus well suited to a 2-3 MOA platform, and well good enough for sub 150 yard shots on thin skinned animals when 110's are launched at 2200 FPS. As a subsonic round JWP is right, its about a .45ACP in power. or does a 3 MOA rifle shooting a 3MOA cartridge become a 9 MOA platform?
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its a perfect fit, a not particularly accurate cartridge in a not particularly accurate rifle. This..
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While a 45 acp can do subsonic as well as a 300 BLK, it's a one trick pony. It can't also fire 110-125 grain bullets at 2350. Nor does it have the sectional density for penetration or resistance to wind that heavy 308 projectiles do, so there is an advanatage there. I like being able to take a 6 lb AR and go.
So it's cool that you can take one gun, at least three mags and continually change your scope settings? No thanks!
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While a 45 acp can do subsonic as well as a 300 BLK, it's a one trick pony. It can't also fire 110-125 grain bullets at 2350. Nor does it have the sectional density for penetration or resistance to wind that heavy 308 projectiles do, so there is an advanatage there. I like being able to take a 6 lb AR and go.
So it's cool that you can take one gun, at least three mags and continually change your scope settings? No thanks! What change scope settings? Supersonic 300 Blackout and Nosler 125 zeroed at 100 yds equals follow the thin duplex crosshair down to where it becomes thick again and you are spot on with subsonics at 100 yds. You shoot the round thousands of times as I have and you learn a thing or two. I started playing with this round in 2001 when I bought a contender barrel from SSK. The folks that bash this round tickle me to no end,especially the ones that just read about it and have never actually shot one.
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While a 45 acp can do subsonic as well as a 300 BLK, it's a one trick pony. It can't also fire 110-125 grain bullets at 2350. Nor does it have the sectional density for penetration or resistance to wind that heavy 308 projectiles do, so there is an advanatage there. I like being able to take a 6 lb AR and go.
So it's cool that you can take one gun, at least three mags and continually change your scope settings? No thanks! I don't change scope settings. I suppose you could but it's easier to zero the rifle with a supersonic load and note the holdover in your reticle for subs at different distances. I wouldn't shoot a sub at anything that breathes at over 100 yards anyway. I don't normally carry multiple mags either, but it's not like it's hard to put one in your pack or fit a 10 round Pmag in your back pocket. If it's daylight I take supers, scope is zero'd at 100 yards for them. If I'm shooting subs it's night time and I'm hunting hogs, and I only bring a mag of subs. I understand that not everyone is into the same equipment I use, and that can make the task more complicated, but if one chooses optics conducive to holds it's a pretty simple straight forward operation. To each their own. EDIT: What change scope settings? Supersonic 300 Blackout and Nosler 125 zeroed at 100 yds equals follow the thin duplex crosshair down to where it becomes thick again and you are spot on with subsonics at 100 yds. You shoot the round thousands of times as I have and you learn a thing or two. I started playing with this round in 2001 when I bought a contender barrel from SSK. The folks that bash this round tickle me to no end,especially the ones that just read about it and have never actually shot one.
We were typing at the same time, I feel like this too.
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perhaps i failed to mention these were shot with a blackout. i haven't fired thousands of rounds out of it, but i've fired it at least 9 times. guess i just like 30cal. 223 is fine for yotes, but you can't kill a pig with it.
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