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Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848486 05/05/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 14,857 Likes: 15 J JoeBob Campfire Outfitter
JoeBob Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 14,857 Likes: 15	The jury comes back with one of the lesser included offenses of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, or assault causing bodily injury.

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Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848498 05/05/15
Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 12,895 North Wales, UK Pete E Campfire Outfitter
Pete E Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 12,895 North Wales, UK	Originally Posted by Birdwatcher Originally Posted by RWE the kid walks. Might be significant that when the Judge offered the jury Simple Assault as an option the Prosecution objected and had him overruled. Based on what I have read I hope the kid walks. I hope he walks too..I suspect he will carry the guilt around with him for a long long time and that in itself should be punishment enough here.. Men of Harlech

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848662 05/05/15
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 69,544 Likes: 24 Filer, ID Rock Chuck Campfire Kahuna
Rock Chuck Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 69,544 Likes: 24 Filer, ID	I haven't heard any evidence but on the surface I'd call it self defense. How much do you have to put up with before you're entitled to protect yourself? “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848688 05/05/15
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Ranger_Green Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 6,412 Vacaville, CA	Establish the precedent that you'll react to such things early on and 90% of the problems go away. Birdwatcher [/quote] Just like my Drill Sergeants. Me solum relinquatis Molon Labe

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848710 05/05/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas	Kid probably shouldn't have hit him in the throat after he was unconscious. But, hey...he won't throw another pencil eraser at anybody. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

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Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Rock Chuck #9848826 05/05/15
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oulufinn Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,944 Texas	Don't start no shidt, won't be no shidt.. Not guilty. "The Bigger the Government, the Smaller the Citizen" - Dennis Prager LINK

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848920 05/05/15
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia I isaac Campfire Kahuna
isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Was a temp insanity proffer offered up as an affirmative defense? Did any lesser offenses underneath MS get to the jury? Does Texas permit the jury to pronounce probation as punishment or is there a mandatory minimum for MS? The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. isaac #9848938 05/05/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas	No Yes No. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. ltppowell #9848946 05/05/15
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger
RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by ltppowell Kid probably shouldn't have hit him in the throat after he was unconscious. But, hey...he won't throw another pencil eraser at anybody. OK, so that's the 1st I seen of that one. I can understand fighting back, but once their down, the lesson is over.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848950 05/05/15
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isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Thanks for the education. If the jury buys the asserted defenses, lesser included is my guess. I'm thinking Judge could give probation if the jury is not permitted to preside over a sentencing phase, if found guilty. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

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Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9848976 05/05/15
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2legit2quit Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 20,683 cold & forbidden	wow what a tragedy hate it for all involved chit happens, sometimes nasty chit too bad it doesn't have a happy ending that the bully just got the crap knocked out of him and maybe fired off a few brain cells about messing with even a lil bull, or teasing a dog on a chain not enough info to make an informed decision for me, but based on what little I've read here I'd say I'm more inclined to believe the kid actually has remorse and wish it hadn't ended this way. sucks all around for everyone, reminds me of how lucky I am. I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. 2legit2quit #9849004 05/05/15
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AJ300MAG Campfire Ranger A Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,885 MBS, MI	Two issues. A) Being a bully doesn't rate a death sentence. B) The kid waited for the bully. It wasn't "in the heat of battle".

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9849024 05/05/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	The bully did rate a beat down. Did not rate a hit once he was unconscious if that was the case. A generic fight between 15 year olds is one thing, up to and including waiting outside the door for the kid to come out of a classroom, without a "heat of battle" label being placed on it. But if he knocked him out, then punched him while he was down, in the throat, he loses my sympathy quick.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. RWE #9849050 05/05/15
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smarquez Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 6,190 Likes: 2 Rancho Altacucawanda, CA	Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by ltppowell Kid probably shouldn't have hit him in the throat after he was unconscious. But, hey...he won't throw another pencil eraser at anybody. OK, so that's the 1st I seen of that one. I can understand fighting back, but once their down, the lesson is over. Kids watch too much MMA and even have a name for hitting someone when they're down. It's called ground striking. Fight fire, save lives, laugh in the face of danger. Stupid always finds a way.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. AJ300MAG #9849068 05/05/15
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,924 Likes: 17	Originally Posted by AJ300MAG Two issues. A) Being a bully doesn't rate a death sentence. B) The kid waited for the bully. It wasn't "in the heat of battle". A) Maybe not per se. But it should be in the back of a bully's mind that things can indeed get sideways. B) Bullies can still bully in "fair" settings. The sumbitches ought to fear being ambushed. Phuuk with someone and get cracked good when you don't see it coming. Payback is a bitch.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. ltppowell #9849070 05/05/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by ltppowell Maybe. The guy that's not dead always has a better line of communication with the media. I should have known when I read you're cynicism that there was more to the story than what I had.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. smarquez #9849082 05/05/15
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,924 Likes: 17	Originally Posted by smarquez Originally Posted by RWE Originally Posted by ltppowell Kid probably shouldn't have hit him in the throat after he was unconscious. But, hey...he won't throw another pencil eraser at anybody. OK, so that's the 1st I seen of that one. I can understand fighting back, but once their down, the lesson is over. Kids watch too much MMA and even have a name for hitting someone when they're down. It's called ground striking. Down and "down and out" are different. If you've put your hands on me and I get you down (not yet out) do you think I should let up?

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. EthanEdwards #9849126 05/05/15
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tjm10025 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,235 NC	Originally Posted by EthanEdwards Originally Posted by tjm10025 From the teacher's handbook: In any dispute between two children, you don't look to identify which child was the aggressor. You look at which child is the more privileged and had the greater number of advantages starting out in life. Upon that analysis, you assign the roles of oppressor and oppressed. It's quite obvious you know next to nothing about how most schools work. IOW you're probably a board member or administrator. You have got to be about the most humorless man on this forum. Birdie thought it was funny and he's a school teacher.

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. Birdwatcher #9849168 05/05/15
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toltecgriz Campfire Ranger T Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 19,828 Likes: 2	Kids don't fight enough these days to know Marquis of Queensbury rules...or any other rules for that matter. I agree that that crap on TV has a deleterious effect. "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead." Fess Parker as Davy Crockett

Re: Kid died in hallway fight, a difficult case goes to the jury. toltecgriz #9849176 05/05/15
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,924 Likes: 17	So if some ass is causing problems, he should be dealt with M of Q?

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