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I have a .280AI that shoots 160gr Sierra's into very small groups, but it shoots the 160gr NPT just as well. I too have found that NPT seems to shoot better at max. pressure. Also, I have seen that a small run out factor affects the Nosler bullet more than the Sierra. I do not have a clue why that might be. I like accurate rifle/load combo more than I should because in the field(speaking for me only)what the heck does it really matter if the best my rifle will do is 1.5" or so. I'm not shooting at an unwounded deer or elk past 450yds or so anyway.
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Nosler seems to be the only company that sells lots of Blemish bullets cheap..... I always wonder about that ... do they just admit more problems then other companies???????????
WY, if you watch Midway, Midsouth and the other big internet sellers you will see quite a few Hornadys and other blems for sale, they just won't tell you the brand. Sometimes it's easy to tell what they are, sometimes not.
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Yep.
The blemishes on Nosler bullets are purely cosmetic, though often I have never been able to see them, even with a magnifying glass--which is what the "bullet examiners" at the plant use to pick blems from the production line.
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I don't think Bob is saying all lightweight rifles are persnickety. Instead his post is specifically about pre-'64 Model 70 Feathwerweights, especially in their original stocks with no bedding work. This isn't just because of the bedding but because pre-'64 actions weren't as precisely made (as in "blueprinted") as many newer rifles. Plus they had iron sights attached to their barrels, which can also affect accuracy.
That's nothing against the pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester. It was what it was, and the Featherweights I've owned have shot plenty well enough for general big game hunting. But they did NOT shoot like my NULA rifles. Exactly. John understands what I was saying. It's a trait of pre 64 FW 30/06's in particular and based on having had and shot quite a few. In general I have found the 270's a bit less fussy. I'll agree with both of you guys. My fwt 30-06 does very well, but the 270 is less finicky. Really pisses me off, as I am a huge fan of the 30-06: TCP, another bullet you might want to consider is the el-cheapo Winchester powerpoint. I use the same seater die setting to load both the 180gr. partition and powerpoint. Both bullets are off the lands by about .020": I worked up this load for 2 30-06's and went with the average of the best load between the 2. Here's how the other rifle likes it: Never owned a nula, but I imagine they shoot damn well. Also since we are talking about accuracy with partitions, I have to throw this target out for you: Not the one you were expecting huh???
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Yep.
The blemishes on Nosler bullets are purely cosmetic, though often I have never been able to see them, even with a magnifying glass--which is what the "bullet examiners" at the plant use to pick blems from the production line. This is why I shoot so many Nosler blems. Can't tell them from firsts. I'm not sure if I've ever shot any Hornady seconds, but I have bought some Sierra Blitzking seconds that were true blems, with mainly missing or deformed plastic tips.
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The several bullets I've gotten from SPS just look less shiny than what others pay double for retail. They shoot exactly the same, from my experience.
The Hornady blems I've gotten from Midway in the past were far more 'Blem'. There were small, but obvious bullet flaws. They don't shoot bad, on average. I do notice a difference with them though. Nothing that would ruin a long shot on a deer.
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Some times the Nosler blems are an employee goof. I bought some 160gn Accubonds in 7mm that had the red 150gn BT's instead of the usual white tips.
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SPS currently has 308 cal 180gr Partitions right now for $15.95.
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That 56.5gn load with H4350 is quite mild. I would work up further. Most rifles will take several more grains.
That charge will only be generating around 2600fps, maybe a little more which is under the 2800-2850fps potential for a 180gn bullet in the .30/06. ^^^^^^ This I've had numerous 30-06 rifles shoot Partitions very well. I'd load 3 ea of 57, 58, 59 grains of H 4350 under a 180 Part, seated 0.010-0.020 off L&G. I'd bet a nickel one of them will turn in MOA - if your rifle is bedded properly. I'd also consider Re 17 under the 180. My current 06 shoots a smidge better with Re 17 than H 4350 with the 180. [spoiler][/spoiler] Nosler lists 56.5gr of H4350 as max for 30-06 180gr partition, I would start low and work up . My 22" howa runs 2650 fps with 56.5 and 2700fps with 57gr. Agreed on all the normal caveats. But look at the pressures those loads run at. Most are less than 50k CUP or 55k PSI. There is no reason to run the 06 there with a modern rifle. There is a bunch of load data showing 2800 in the 06 with a 180 in 24" barrels. I'd add powder till I hit 59 grains or 2800. I'd pick the most accurate load from there. I'd do the same with re 17 but stop at 56 or 2800. I get almost 2700 in my 20" barrel 06 with 180s.
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