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I am riding the fence on 280 vs 280AI. Here is the deal, I am a small guy that hates recoil as I shoot a ton and love practicing with what I actually hunt with in the field. The thing is, I have a 280AI on order and am thinking about changing it to the standard 280 for a couple reasons. First off, the standard 280 loads will perform well enough for me, without the extra recoil of going to the 280AI. Also , I like the idea of being able to get NORMA 280 brass instead of NOSLER 280AI brass. I like that the Norma brass is a buck a piece as well as having a better reputation of quality brass over the Nosler 280AI brass being $1.75 a piece and having a little more of a spotty reputation. What else am I missing here? Which caliber will be easier on brass and barrel life? Also how noticeable is the recoil difference? Im thinking hard about changing my order to the standard 280 instead of the 280AI.... I know the regular 280 isn't as cool, but then again Ive never been that cool anyways!!!
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There is not going to be a significant recoil difference. What action and stock? Why the 280 at all. The ammo is not easy to find. Consider a 270 or less. Here is an excellent slip on pad I use at the range.
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Why not buy the Norma brass and fireform it? I personally couldn't tell the difference between the ackley and standard. If you are starting from scratch might as well go 280 ackley. Not costing you anymore or less. Dies, brass, and chambering is all same cost. And less trimming with 280 ackley
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Norma manufactures Nosler's brass....
Recoil difference between the two would be insignificant.
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If you're recoil sensitive buy a 7mm-08.
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I've had both and still have 280s. The AI is not worth the trouble, IMO. And the 280 is plenty cool. But if you're really recoil sensitive, why not a 270, 25/06, 257R (it's cool ) , or even a 243?
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^^^^ I'm with Pharm. You'd be set with a 7-08 shooting any 140-150 grainer.
The 270win shooting 110 barnes is another good, easier recoil load from what I hear.
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Ok looks like the 280ai gets the nod over the standard 280. I kinda figured it would be preferred. I just wished there was a way of getting 280AI brass with the correct headstamp. I am anal as hell and would rather my brass have the right headstamp. Is nosler brass not a big deal to most of you? I just really like norma and lapua brass. Scenarshooter....Are you saying that the nosler 280AI brass is actually made by Norma? If so, that is awesome.
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I thought hard about the 7-08 as I can get Lapua brass for it, but thought it may come up a touch short for Elk. I would rather have one rifle for everything from antelope to Elk. I want said rifle to be good out to about 600 which is my max comfort zone when conditions are perfect. The 7-08 Im thinking is really pushing it for elk at those ranges,
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Ok looks like the 280ai gets the nod over the standard 280. I kinda figured it would be preferred. I just wished there was a way of getting 280AI brass with the correct headstamp. I am anal as hell and would rather my brass have the right headstamp. Is nosler brass not a big deal to most of you? I just really like norma and lapua brass. Scenarshooter....Are you saying that the nosler 280AI brass is actually made by Norma? If so, that is awesome. I'm not sure how, based on the answers you got here, you came to that conclusion. If you are really recoil sensitive, the 7/08 or a .260 would be a better choice provided you don't also decide to go to a lot lighter rifle as well. Another answer is to load light practice loads.
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Also, if brass price and availability is a concern get a 7mmRM and have the best of both worlds: brass availability, lots of components. If recoil is too much, load it down to 280, standard or AI.
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You will still have to burn more powder to load a magnum case down to standard case velocities.
I prefer the 280AI, but if you are a handloader, the 280 w/140 Parts would have slightly less recoil, particularly if you follow book loads for the 280.
I haven't had any issues with either version of brass from Nosler and have been using the AI brass since they came out with it.
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I've shot the standard 280 for over 25 years and never found it lacking. I've had a 7 mag for 30 so I never went for the AI version. If I was sensitive to recoil I'd do a 7X57.
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Norma does make 280 Ackley brass.
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There are many good choices out there, but the 280AI is one of those rounds that I would consider nearly perfect. That is ...if you're into headstamps! Considering that what you want to do can be done nicely with a 308. That is...if you're into bullets! But if you really don't like recoil get a 7-08, 7-08AI or a Creedmore, and spend a few long nights on JBM. But whatever you choose, I'd be more concerned with things that really do matter...like bullets, mag length, optics, etc...headstamps not so much.
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What else am I missing here? You can form either much cheaper '06 brass . . .
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I'd take the 280. It never really needed any "improvement".
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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In the AI you can shoot either cartridge. Not so the other way around. Start off with the 280 Rem, then sell the dies when you have enough AI brass made by firing. Use the same powder, bullets, primers, and everything else. Best of both worlds, but once you switch to the AI, you will be glad you did.
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Ok looks like the 280ai gets the nod over the standard 280. I kinda figured it would be preferred. I just wished there was a way of getting 280AI brass with the correct headstamp. I am anal as hell and would rather my brass have the right headstamp. Is nosler brass not a big deal to most of you? I just really like norma and lapua brass. Scenarshooter....Are you saying that the nosler 280AI brass is actually made by Norma? If so, that is awesome. As scenar shooter stated , Nosler brass is made by Norma....... Just sorted and chamfered and such.
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