|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
Lets put em in a mini14 group all alone for score/size parts... that should make it more even.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,276
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,276 |
I could give mine a whirl...assuming I can find all the parts for it
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,195
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,195 |
I just wish more people would shoot.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,258
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,258 |
I just barely beat a thunderstorm so my pictures are not ideal but I got the minimum to get this done. I'm going to re-shoot the challenge with irons tomorrow and I'll update the pictures. 1) Picture of rifle and setup (no pic of setup due to race to beat the rain but I shot prone at the firing line off bipod with Red Tac 1/2Pint rear bag): 2) Picture of 100 yard range (this picture is old, the berms are now on the left side but I will take a new pic tomorrow when I shoot the iron sight group): 3) Picture of target (optics) or targets (irons) with 20 rounds through them. (place calipers or ruler laying over one group for reference): I shot the target on the right first, the target on the left second 4) Description of rifle and ammo used. Rifle: Barnes Precision BPM-15 with new BP 18" mid to replace the 16" I wore out. I took the A2 hider off of it and installed a BE Myers hider I had on my bench. Only other mod from stock is the Geissele SSA trigger. Optic: Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm G2 in LaRue mount that one of my guys bought recently and I have for testing right now Bipod: Atlas Ammo: I had 44 rounds of 69gn Nosler CC loaded over 24gn RL15 in Federal brass, lit by CCI BR-4. These were rounds I had left over from the first barrel I had on this gun. Never shot them before today in this barrel. They hit just low and left of where the 77gn bullets it's zeroed for hit. I will use the last 24 to zero the irons on the gun and shoot the iron sight target with a sling. 5) For optics, list your group sizes and the average. For Iron sights, please list the group size and score: Group 1: .820" or .783 MOA Group 2: .895 or .854 MOA Average: .858" or .819 MOA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,509
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,509 |
I just wish more people would shoot. I'll be shooting at least two more sets of targets. One going from a 7 power to a 20 power, and one with iron sights which should be interesting. I just had cataract surgery in both eyes !! Right now the wind has been 10 to 20 mph for days. Can't even get out fishing on Lake Erie
Old Fishermen never die, we just get reel tired.
May you build a ladder to the stars and climb on every rung. May you stay......Forever young
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,195
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,195 |
I'm gonna shoot irons too but I'm in Oklahoma and we're getting flooded again. Lake Texhoma is gonna go over the spillway this weekend in spite of them releasing water. I was at Eufaula Lake dam yesterday watching the water being released from the locks and the water is still 15' above normal.
We've had over 14" of rain this month and more in other places.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 810
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 810 |
I broke out the Ruger Mini 14 today and mounted a new scope on it. While sighting the rifle in I had one two shot group that measured less than .5 inches and a three shot group that measured 5/8 inch. I was feeling good. I then hung the official targets and shot the first three shots of my official, for the record, ten shot group from a Mini 14. First three shots of the ten were slightly less than 4 inches. I thought I would save the rest of that ammo for my AR and remove the scope from the Ruger. My brother reminded me that they were designed to be like a M1 Carbine not like an AR. They sure are handy.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
LOL, thats why 3-5 shot groups, unless you have multiples, don't tell you much...
I have a .334 5 shot group from a friends 338 wind mag. Its a fluke, though the gun is generally a reliable MOA rifle... and I have a kill with it at 802 yards...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
PS, how is a mini 14 more handy than an AR....?
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 810
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 810 |
I don't really know how to explain it. It is kind of like the difference in rabbit hunting all day with a recurve bow and a compound. Compound just isn't fun to carry. That doesn't even speak to the fact that both of my AR's are heavier than my Garand.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 19,509
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 19,509 |
I find the height of the AR action and the high comb of the AR to be ungainly. The mini handles more like a traditional firearm.
4 out of 5 Great Lakes prefer Michigan.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
I guess I'm so used to them, I can't find a difference.
I think I could have at one time, shot an AR in my sleep. My bolt guns felt funny.
Of course the M1A always felt nice.
RE weight, thats all in the build, you can get em pretty light.
The high comb, is nothing, as long as the stock and sights all match, at least to me anyway.
Interesting input as to how we all see things though.
off to cut firewood.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 31,231 Likes: 10
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 31,231 Likes: 10 |
That doesn't even speak to the fact that both of my AR's are heavier than my Garand. That's easy to fix. Just put a light weight barrel on one of them.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 19,509
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 19,509 |
I find the height of the AR action and the high comb of the AR to be ungainly. The mini handles more like a traditional firearm. I gotta say that I much prefer the pistol grip and mag release on the AR platform over those of the mini, though.
4 out of 5 Great Lakes prefer Michigan.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,180 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,180 Likes: 2 |
I have an 18 inch barrel on one of them. Everything else is probably making it heavy. It is probably just me and the fact that I like classic guns. A 9 pound bolt action is not heavy to me but a nine pound AR is. Scott, I am just the opposite. I like the location of the Mini 14 Mag release and really like the location of the safety. The pistol grip on the AR and I don't get along. We just tolerate each other.
This was posted by 348srfun on my brother's computer
Last edited by Mathsr; 05/23/15. Reason: correcting posting error
Harry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,180 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,180 Likes: 2 |
Sorry for the Mini 14 side track. All you AR guys, carry on. Lets see some more of those MOA groups. I'm going to turn in some Iron sight targets soon as I learn to shoot again. I'd shoot my Beowulf but it is too expensive to shoot more than 3 shot groups.
Harry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,387 Likes: 45
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,387 Likes: 45 |
Why ten rounds? Statistical relevancy.
Unless you are stacking every 3 shot group on the same target, those three shots tell you basically nothing. You can shoot 3-5 three shot groups on the same target but it won't look any different than a single 10 shot group. 10 shots aren't even enough.
If a person can't press the trigger 10 times without having a seizure, than he probably doesn't have a clue what his rifle can do.
For a forum dedicated to shooting..... People sure do try to find an excuse not to. ... We found that out in the Carl Ross postal shoot. Didn't we?
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
What did I miss? LOL.
In the day I did every postal I ran across as we shot a lot.
These days I doubt I shoot 30 shots a year, maybe less. A lot of difference there. In the day we shot over 10,000 a year of just 223.... not counting cross training other rounds.
RE pistol grip, ya know they make a few different ones.... and the difference between pistol and mini is difference between a high and low elbow position, trying to shoot an AR with a high elbow doesn't work, shooting a mini or M1A with low doesn't work eitehr. IE very well.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,667 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,667 Likes: 3 |
Why ten rounds? Statistical relevancy.
No, 10 shots is not a statistically relevant or valid sample; you would need a 30 shot sample, or a series of 10 shot samples combined into one group, to be a statistically valid sample & to be statistically representative of the variability of the system; in this case, the system is the gun, the ammo, the sights & the shooter & I guess you could throw in the weather/wind, especially with a 22 caliber. IMO, there should be a class for the 22's & another class for anything larger. For a forum dedicated to shooting..... People sure do try to find an excuse not to.
I'll eventually get around to shooting.......have 3 guns & will shoot at least 2. There's no time limit on this that I know of. MM
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
The 'excuses' are life. Some have time, some make time, some don't.
For me, I'm more dedicated to the fire/ems pager to help folks out, than I am to shooting a postal or other match at this point in my life. Its my time of life to give back.
Others are in stages like we used to be in, shoot almost every other day if not more often regardless unless weather...
otehrs are in other parts of life, kids, family, building houses, careers etc...
Would be lovely if in a every 24 hours God said, this one particular hour is for shooting, and nothing else.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
490 members (10gaugeman, 12344mag, 1badf350, 10gaugemag, 160user, 06hunter59, 44 invisible),
2,672
guests, and
1,196
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,786
Posts18,536,296
Members74,041
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|