This might be the stupidest thing I've seen posted on the fire in 10 years. powdr
Can't disagree really. While I find POA/POI scope testing very interesting, throwing my stuff around in the dirt intentionally really isn't very interesting.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Interesting to hear on the Talleys, though I was already about to replace the set I have on my hunting rifle with a rail, glued on. Longer term I think I want to rebuild it around a Defiance Deviant ultralight.
I've been quite busy, it will be nice to have some free time for personal projects again. I would still like to figure out some standard tests that make sense for zero retention testing.
I've got an idea.......why don't we all go plunk down $3000 and buy a Swaro El Range, Zeiss RF bino, and Leica HD-B's. You can all come out to my muley lease and we'll climb up in a windmill and launch those new Swaro's out on the rocks. We'll see if they will still range and glass stuff.
After all, they're all the same while in the closet.
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It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Every day with every failure I get less and less accepting of failures in gear, with scopes making up the VAST majority of issues. Don't have much issue with bases that are pinned and permanently bonded to the receivers, although I do believe that integral rails are the way to go. Unfortunately I'm not thrilled with the reliability of Remington style triggers.
Agreed on the testing, however it's hard to nail down a standard as the weight of the system certainly factors in to it. In general I've been doing two drops on the left side, two on the right and one directly on top from about 12 inches onto generally soft ground. The right setup can take a lot more.
I don't get the beef with a guy that wants to test his equipment in an extreme fashion? Its not your money and it provided us with useful insight. Anyone willing to bet that a Leupold VX3 of similar size would have survived the test?
At the risk of sounding negative, this sounds like something that the guys at ARAIG that think Big Stick/Boxer/Busheler hung the moon would do.........
Jimmyp: Your quote: "I am not buying any more conventional variable riflescopes". I wonder why? I have MANY, MANY dozens of variable power scopes (on Big Game Rifles, Varmint Rifles and several pistols) and have used them for decades with NO problems. Of course I would never intentionally throw my scoped arms onto the ground! Conventional variable scopes are the only type of scopes I seek out for my guns anymore - I am that confident in them. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Jimmyp: Your quote: "I am not buying any more conventional variable riflescopes". I wonder why? I have MANY, MANY dozens of variable power scopes (on Big Game Rifles, Varmint Rifles and several pistols) and have used them for decades with NO problems. Of course I would never intentionally throw my scoped arms onto the ground! Conventional variable scopes are the only type of scopes I seek out for my guns anymore - I am that confident in them. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
This!!
I have only four rifles, but they all have conventional variables.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter
people don't intentionally drive their cars into walls either, but the car manufacturers test survivability by doing this with crash test dummies for a good reason.
Someone posts on the fire that they test their scope by throwing it around on the ground and it works fine, that says something about the product.
I have sent Leupold, Zeiss, Kahles back for warranty repair after dropping them, in some cases doing nothing to them and that also says something about the products.
people don't intentionally drive their cars into walls either, but the car manufacturers test survivability by doing this with crash test dummies for a good reason.
Someone posts on the fire that they test their scope by throwing it around on the ground and it works fine, that says something about the product.
I have sent Leupold, Zeiss, Kahles back for warranty repair after dropping them, in some cases doing nothing to them and that also says something about the products.
You must have missed the post within the past month or two where the guy's NF bailed on him, and he didn't even drop it.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Form and Jimmyp, I worked very hard and long to afford the good equipment I own. I own a S&B, several expensive Leupolds, a Signature Safari Burris an older Redfield w/#4 and a Weaver like new steel w/duplex. While I have dropped my S&B 15 feet from a blind w/no ill affects I would under no circumstances throw any of my custom rifles w/their scopes on the ground or ground cover w/rocks, whether in a case or not, to satisfy some whim dreamed up by some [bleep] on the fire. You guys do that and get back to me. Oh, don't forget to get the dirt out of the bore and check your mounts before trying a shot. powdr
This might be the stupidest thing I've seen posted on the fire in 10 years. powdr
I've never read any thread ever posted that I've considered to be stupid. Mostly because if one pays close attention to all of the comments posted whichever way they may lean one has the opportunity to gain a small nugget of useful information no matter how small.
I guess once you've learned all there is to know then threads become useless information.
What I learned from this thread is that I lean toward Deflaves idea of time testing though I did read with an open mind.
I guess that me finding the reading useful and interesting has nothing to do with the selfish world of ( Everything on this forum should be specifically tailored to Powders version of useful)