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Once I have some more time with it, I'm sure I'll come to appreciate the brilliance of its design.
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Well the most proven are the Beretta, Sig, and Glock. Whether they're the "best" would depend on what you needed to do with them. For daily carry, the full sized pistols are a bit on the large size, but they can be carried. The G19 is kinda the benchmark for a daily carry gun, and I'd put the Sig P229 in there as well.
There are a number of new "wondernines" that look very promising. Beretta, Sig, H&K, and FN all have some newer plastic-fantastics that I'll be watching very closely to see how they do in the up-coming government tests. I'm hoping the H&K does well, because even though I'm certainly NOT a fan of H&K, I REALLY like the new VP 9...and no I have no problem with the mag release.
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For me Glock 17/19 has solved all my handgun problems. Sigs and HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. HK's trigger gurus then invented a new mag release that helps you put your finger or thumb in or near the trigger guard/trigger. This is really fun when teaching new shooters or trying to use gloves and move.
Full disclosure... I have small hands and stubby thumbs.
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM +1 The VP9 has an amazing trigger and the reset is quite surprising as well..in a good way. The Walther PPQ is another one that has a great trigger. I can't imagine a striker fired handgun having a better trigger than these two. I guess it's possible but I have yet to see it.
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HKs are reliable but those Krauts think it is good to put a $2.00 trigger in an $800.00 gun. You obviously haven't shot an HK VP9 then..............my Glock triggers have all had some TLC & are VERY good, but the VP 9 out-of-the-box trigger is still better than any of the Glocks I own, much less a stock Glock trigger.. MM I won't say that I'm an H&K hater, but let's just say; I'm certainly no fan. And I'm a HUGE fan of the VP9. I'm waiting to see if any issues pop up with it (because H&K kinda has a track record of issues popping up). If they do, H&K will work them out. If no issues pop up, then I'm in. I generally don't buy a gun until it's been out on the market for at least 5 years. I'm quite happy to let others do the field testing, and I'll buy the gun when it's ready for prime time. So I don't much like H&K, but I'm planning on buying a VP9 sometime in the future. It's a damn nice pistol.
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The VP9 trigger is nice because the pistol is single action - the striker is fully cocked by the slide. As for the magazine release, it's one of the better designs to provide true ambidextrous function, rather than merely 'switchable'.
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Here it is, somehow people missed it, the best available....
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The P7M8 American version is indeed a sweet pistol, very accurate and reliable. Fast to get into action, once you are used to it. But the cheapest one on GB right now is $2499. And the P7M13 does not feel nearly as good to me, and probably will cost even more. And the 13 round mags are a hundred bucks (or more). You can find P30LS with factory night sights like mine for a grand. The squeeze cocker just isn't 2½x the pistol
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You can find P30LS with factory night sights like mine for a grand. The squeeze cocker just isn't 2½x the pistol The last level of performance will always be debated whether it is guns cars or optics, but better is still better and no, it ain't cheap...
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Here it is, somehow people missed it, the best available.... Naw, nobody missed it. But for the price, I can do with other alternatives. MM
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row. Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols. Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs. You will go broke buying spare magazines. Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row. Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols. Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs. You will go broke buying spare magazines. Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
You seem like a smart guy, how come you know so little about the M-13?
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Ya, HK P7
Gets hot if you shoot more than a mag or two in a row. Its heavy and takes more time to clean/maintain than modern pistols. Its magazine capacity is sub par compared to modern designs. You will go broke buying spare magazines. Good luck finding spare parts if ever needed.
Sweet mag release too. Travis
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I'd be happy with the Beretta M9. I found it to be reliable and accurate.
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Beretta 92. The pistol itself sucks but by getting adopted by the military, it stimulated interest and R&D in how to make the 9mm better. Better bullets and better guns as a result... The Beretta 92FS/M9 combined the DA/SA of the Walther P38 and the double stacked magazine of the Browning Hi Power. It also put the U.S. Army in compliance with standard NATO ammo. It's physically too large to be a tool for all people, but it's reliability is excellent. Since shooters under stress are apt to keep their finger inside the trigger guard the trigger disconnect safety has reduced accidental discharges and injuries. All in all its been a good weapon. If there was a new 9mm pistol competition today I think the Glock 19 would win out. But that's a hypothetical.
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ?
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Some guy who has the audacity to trash the revered and storied Heckler & Koch P7, 9MM Pistole . . .
Is the same guy who thinks the sun rises and sets on a polymer framed, Ruger LCR, 22 LR Revolver ? I've owned, shot, and carried both. I found the DAO, snub-nosed revolver concept to be worthwhile. I did not find the cuckoo-clock on the strong side of my belt concept worthwhile. They are cool and are a good investment. That's where their worth ends for me. Travis
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