Bob Woodward disclosed tapes of Trump admitting the DNI told him Feb 7 th that the COVID-19 was 5 times more deadly than the

Flue. The DNI Robert Obrien told him it would be the biggest thing to happen during his presidency and that it would be worse than the Spanish Flue that

Killed 600,000 plus thousand in the USA in 1918/1919. He also told him is was mostly air born. Yet Trump went out and said it did not matter

if people gathered in large groups, like his six rallies. He discouraged people from wearing masks. 20 days after he was briefed he went on TV and stated the virus

would be gone in a fee weeks. Later he was briefed that anyone could get the virus, but he keep saying young people could not get it, knowing he

was lying. More to come

Thats why 5 D Governors sent the old sick folks to nursing homes, huh?

Covid is a big nothing burger unless you are old and sick! This bullshit about it is becoming exhausting. Get busy living or get busy dying!

People are fuucking retarded.

Sounds like the president was prescient.

Maybe you will catch it and go away from here!!! GFY fool!!!

Another Biden voting Commie Socialist Troll.

Ain't that the truth.
Although, why Trump even bothered to have a conservation with that insect = Woodward is baffling.

Woodward is like inviting Dracula in your home. POS.

so

Tell us more about how 'Cool Joe' gonna bring it back round again for us.

If the kung flu proved to be in fact that deadly your post (assuming it's true) would be noteworthy and a feather in the cap of them that hate America. The fact that it has been proven to be arguably less deadly than the seasonal flu only reinforces President Trump's response. I question why you posted this?

I see Adam Schifforbrains has a new Russia whistle blower and Peter Strozk is making the morning show rounds. You'd think they'd get tired of getting their asses kicked at every turn.

5 times more deadly than the flu? Prove it you liberal piece of shiet.

Are you really as ignorant as this makes you look?

It's much much worse than that.......

LMFAOROTFF!!!

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I,m not a Doctor the DNI and his assistant on Feb 7th told Trump that COVID-19 that it was 5 times or more deadly than the flue..What is sad is

Some Republicans and Democrats believed Trump and his Governor friends and did not take any precautions and now have paid with there lives.

Thing is we had a firestorm coming ,Trump knew it and did not tell anyone. In fact he told everyone it was going away in a few weeks. Know we have

192,000 dead.

Why do the people that think Trump is dumb as hell need him to give them medical advice?

Wasn’t it Piglosi and Schumer who DIDN’T want Trump to stop the flights coming in from Europe & China ???

The Hypocrisy of the Commie Socialist Devil Worshipping DemoRat’s Knows No Bounds.

I just can't believe I spent the whole last 6 months having my kids enrolled in underground sporting events based on these lies. Was trying to keep them in shape for when the world resumes but for the cost of it I could have leased a Lamborghini for the summer. I thought it was the wise play for when life resumed but now that I know we are all going to die; won't lie here, kinda wish I would have gone with the Lambo. I'll try to listen to you sooner in the future Dumphuk00

Nobody knew then what they know now you stupid Monday morning quarterback. Momma Pelosi said visit ChinaTown on February 24th.


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cunfuck50: You are an idiot with no concept of reality.
Sad that.
GO TRUMP
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Hold into the wind
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That many folks did not die from the plague.

If you died from any other cause they said they died from the plague.

During this time there has been no deaths from heart problems or cancer.

Even you can't believe that crap.

Wait. Wasn't he racist for his China travel ban?

Living is deadly. I wonder if that was disclosed too.

I’m stealing this!

He’s a DemoRat. They REALLY are that fuggin stupid.

Me too ! 🤠

Help yourself, fellas!

Your posts are unintelligible, i.e., a flue is something in a chimney. Not a doctor? No schitt? Go have a friend translate, then get back to us.

Imagine that on a t-shirt at a peaceful Antifa drum circle.

and while you're at it, learn to spell Flu. a flue in on your stove.

.....Bob Woodward is another lying and liberally biased propagandist.........OF COURSE NEVERMIND, that every damned democrat INCLUDING Nancy PIGlosi AND TONY FAUCI HIMSELF, was caught on tape during the months of Jan, Feb and well into March 2020 downplaying the seriousness of the virus. IS THAT in Woodward's book?......The POTUS banned all travel to and from China in late Jan ten days after the 1st reported case of covid19 within the US in Washington state. IS THAT in Woodward's book?...The POTUS banned all travel to and from Europe within a week after initiating the China travel ban. IS THAT in Woodward's book?......The POTUS since the covid 19 crises began, followed the advice of Fauci, Birx and many other so-called experts. IS THAT in Woodward's book?...The POTUS formed the greatest task force since WW2, utilizing the private sector as well as the federal govt to combat the virus. Is that is in Woodward's book?.....The POTUS accelerated the production of PPE after the O'BIDEN admin depleted the national PPE stockpiles. Is that in Woodward's book?....The POTUS decreased the enormous amounts of govt red tape FDA regulations to quickly develop a vaccine and hospital therapeutics. Is that in Woodward's book?.....The POTUS along with the military lead the nationwide PPE distribution efforts. Is that in Woodward's book?.....DemoCRAP FAILED governor Cuomo of NY at his direction, ordered infected covid 19 patients into dozens and dozens of nursing homes thereby inflicting an additional 11,000 plus nursing home deaths. Is that in Woodward's book?.....ALL FACTS....I could go on!!.....SO DAMNED WHAT IF Trump AT FIRST did not take the virus seriously. ALL THE DEMoCRAPS sure as hell didn't either!! RIGHT, ya libturd hypocrites?

This book was deliberately timed for release on Sept 15 for the sole purpose of spreading lying propaganda, deceit, to distract the Trump campaign and to falsely influence as much of the voting public as they can.......NOT GONNA WORK!...AGAIN

Question:

If Trump isn’t the libtards “President”, why do they listen?

.....Simple! To use every oppty to deliberately take him out of context with every hope that finally he will go down or be defeated..

If this Covid was supposedly so deadly,then why did Woodward wait so long to report this story?

Shouldn't people just as readily believe Woodward had no concern for human life and he just wanted to regain the infamy that was heaped upon him during the '70's with his stories spoon fed to him by that Bolshevik ass-hole Mark Felt?

Since the CDC release their charts last week,which indicated that Covid was responsible for 9,000 deaths,then why should we believe the false numbers given by the "fake news"?

...That's right. Woodward's attempt in bringing down Trump will fall by the wayside just like all of the rest of the FAILED attempts.

Oh look someone fired up the dill doe machine

Yep. The DemoRat’s are desperate. They know Creepy Uncle Joe is about to flame out and they’re running out of places to hide him. So they’re slinging schitt and praying some of it will stick.

ROFLMAO

Brings out the Bitches for Trump everytime.

Woodward has been on a rush since he ran Nixon out of office.

...You could not effectively debate an issue if your POS life depended on it....CHUCKY = LIAR, FOOL, HYPOCRITE, TRAITOR and garbage dump.

(((Woodward)))

Link of said tapes from your "Bastion of Truth" the Liberal Socialist Democrat Media??????

Too bad you didnt die from the schitt too.....
1 less Liberal Socialist Democrat troll on this place would be sweet.
Probably be a bunch of em not posting if one of you coksukka,s died from drowning in your own lung fluid.

Why he posted?

Leaking grey matter, my guess.

Pelosi and Schumer were not told of the firestorm coming, Trump withheld all the information

and said it would all go away. No need to wear a mask, no need to avoid large groups, go ahead and send all your children

to school , no matter that was the worst thing you could possible do.

Dedicated to all the Liberal Socialist Democrat trolls on here multiscreening on 1 IP addy and their burner email registrations.
Bin wont do a fughing thing QC wise for memebership.....

The thing is Trump was the only one who new how deadly COVI-19 was and he never warned the American people. That makes him responsible.

In fact he said it would all go away in a few weeks. Bob Woodward will be releasing Trump on 19 tapes in the next few weeks

That's fantastic incite Jeff. Hoping you can help me with some stuff. When your party committed to taking down the entire economy there was a fall in the market. Fortunately, we had some cash to take advantage of the folly and did pretty well because by and large people stopped buying what you are selling. Just wondering though, since you have been 100% wrong for close to 6 years, can you do me one solid; list the top three stocks to short in the next month. No particular reason, just asking for academic interest.

Post the fughing link of this tape that supposedly exist you stupid phuq.

You're a capital-M Moron. But if you were speaking facts, you'd actually INCREASE my respect for Trump.

Think about that.

Exactly, Trump was right from the very beginning of the China flu hoax, his mistake was letting the lying liberals change his mind. Trump's China virus plan worked so well that he's already saved over 3.3 million lives according to the dumocrats projected numbers. And that's using the lying dumocrat fatality numbers and not the actual China virus fatalities.

WOW 😳. You are truly one of the stupidest people to ever post on this website. Dumbass just doesn’t do you enough credit. What a fugking idiot!!!

....................Well you are a LIAR GUNTRUCK50..A LIAR!!....Trump withheld nothing from PIGlosi and Schumer...In FACT, it was MOST of demCRAP party CAUGHT ON TAPE, including PIGlosi who said in Jan, Feb and even in March to go about your business and life, NO NEED to wear masks, no need to avoid large groups, continue with school and nothing to fear from the virus....It was the demCRAP party who played the virus card waaaaay down.....

Pffffffffft....................... Bob Woodward.........,.

..........ANOTHER LIE! You are a liar. The hell he did not warn the American people. He followed to a tee what Fauci, Birx and other experts advised him to do, and WHEN they advised him to do it and when to say it. Trump's initial goal was to reopen the country by Easter. AND he made it very clear that re-opening in a few weeks was always subject to change. GOT THAT?

Read my 1st post on this thread deadhead? Ya think all of the facts I pointed out will be in Woodward's book? HELL NO!....Geees! Another damned Trump hating moron!

What about Cuomo. He has killed more New Yorkers than Osama Bin Laden ?
Sent all the old folks to the Covid 19 Ward / Nursing Homes.

Where’s your DemoRat outrage ? The Hypocrisy of the Brain Dead Obama Dick Sucking Commie Socialist Left Knows No Bounds.

Yep its very very very tremendously difficult to stick to the dummy and issue. It is bad.

I'll see your (((Woodward))) and raise a (((Bernstein))).


Pot right?

So, seven months down the road, how come we're all still here? Who on the 24HCF has died? Anybody?

The Covid Boogyman is nothing to be afraid if.

94% of the dead has 2 or more known serious health problems already....they already had one foot in the grave.

The whole fear over it is a political hoax/dirty trick.....create fear, ruin the economy, unseat Trump.

.............You are right Chucky.......Cuomo is a dummy FAILED governor and has issues.

Only folks that have died here of it were Meskins with diabetes that weighed 450 lbs or 90 year olds with a bad ticker.

He was only right because he agreed with someone who pointed out the obvious. He has yet to be right on any original thought he had. Although I seriously doubt he’s ever had an original thought.

Trump never warned the American people. Feb 26th he said it would be down to zero in a few weeks.

I see 192,000 is nothing to worry about. That is more than Vietnam and Korea put together.

One thing I need to correct is that Trump was informed of the problem in his daily brief in mid January.

How do you guys say this is wrong when Bob Woodward. has Trump on tape saying he knew these

Things, and yet he failed to warn the American People

He also shut down travel from China for weeks before that. And because the Democrat position is, by definition the opposite of "Orange Satan", Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo and every other leading Democrat all bashed him for suspending travel from China and later Europe. By their own attacks, they would have allowed another full month of infected travelers come here. He was right, the Democrats were wrong across the board so now, as usual, the tactic is to rewrite history. This is all assuming the virus was even an emergency to begin with. Sweden has shown the whole world that it really wasn't.

I love how everyone is concerned with what Trump said or didnt say about the virus. If a person is dumb enough to need a politician to make health decisions for them then they've likely bigger problems in life than Corona

Hey guntruck50 , every time a liberal farts you gonna let us know?

Wow! The possessor of all knowledge! Yet you still oppose him. GFY

Those were young, healthy, fit, soldiers.

How many of the 192,000 were young, healthy, fit, military age? None, that's how many.

You might ask....how many of the young rioters out there have died of covid?....none, that's how many.

PREZACTLY!

And ain’t it funny how this story suddenly appears 2 months before the Election. Just goes to show how desperate the DemoRat’s are. They know Creepy Uncle Joe’s about to get his sorry Traitorous ass handed to him.

If he made a thread every time a Democrat politician lied, he'd break 100k posts faster than some of the guys who've been here for 20 years.

I respect you being a Nam Vet....

but you still come up with a lot of leftist liberal Bullschitt...Obama lied for 8 years... did that ever concern you at all, or even a little bit...sure pissed me off, but I didn't spent my time bitching about it...you just expected it..

Same with Joe and especially from KalamamaDingDong.....

As usual, the Democrats are fishing for low information and short bus voters.

When someone is 60+, morbidly obese, hypertensive, diabetic, smoked 2 packs a day for 40+ years, and dies of the Covid…..guess what....they didn't die of the Covid.

Wake the f-u-ck up.

Yet it's less than 25% of the 800,000 humans killed last year by Democrats through abortions. We can all play these statistics games.

How was he informed if he was the only one who knew? LMAO
Maybe float Russian collusion again. Proud of you for pulling for the pedophile - not.

Exactly, bunch of hind sight genius hypocrites who were all DEAD wrong and now want to claim the moral high ground.

They run a senile molester and a prostitute and then complain about the opposing party. I couldn't make this chit up.

If you believe that number I have ocean front property for sale in eastern Montana for you.

Yep. The Truth is always stranger and more interesting than Bullschitt.

PREZACTLY!!!

China new before that! Where is all the hate for china, from the left! Not a friggn word!

........................More LIES from DumpTRUCK50 and from Woodward!........Ya know what? So damned what if Trump was optimistic about the virus only lasting for a few weeks? And Dumptruck50, Trump was also informed that the virus COULD BE down to zero in a few weeks. In fact Dumptruck50, Fauci and Birx agreed THAT WAS POSSIBLE. Was it not also the demCRAPS who failed to warn the country?? Hmmmm hypocrite?

Trump has always said.."ONE DEATH is ONE TOO MANY" and continues to say it. And by the way GARBAGEtruck50, a week or two ago, the CDC came out with a report that said, that the actual TRUE # of deaths from covid 19 out of all the deaths in the USA was actually 9210 deaths up to that date of the report. Meaning that ONLY 9210 people died from ACTUAL COVID19 with NO underlying conditions..The remaining 185K deaths or whatever it is, ALL HAD MAJOR UNDERLYING CONDITIONS NOT RELATED TO COVID19 BEFOREHAND...And YOU have the lying gaul, to somehow think that Trump was responsible or is to blame for 192K USA deaths when ONLY 9210 actually died from covid19 itself??

You and Woodward are a pair of lying disgraces.

Here's the answer.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...mp-sit-bob-woodward-new-anti-trump-book/

President Trump issued a travel ban to China or certain parts on January 31 (link below). On March 11 he added 26 European nations to the list (link below). The ruling class elites in Europe said he should have talked to us about it first. If our Liberals were in charge they would have talked about it first and the U.S. would be in worse shape.

I don't think the DNC could find a poorer choice for presidential candidate than Joe Biden. He didn't want to run 4 years ago despite his sons urges because Hillary had all the money back then. And probably because he knew he was losing it. Now he's forgotten why.

Good luck and shoot straight y'all




https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...isk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...isk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

Cant sway this Right wing Echo chamber forum...

But, normal people, just a tad less to the Right will see and hear President Trump words, that he knew it was far far far more dangerous then the normal Flue, but he kept on telling people to gather at his rallies, dont wear masks, and this would blow over soon for MONTHS.


Had he gone out 1 week after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 2 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 3 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 4 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 5 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 6 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.
Had he gone out 7 weeks after he spoke to this reporter and said to keep distance to each other, try to wear masks if you can and informed correctly about the dangers, it would be OK.


He didn't... and as a result tens of thousands of Hard core Republicans voters who believed him died needlessly.



The US could most likely have kept most business going and not shut down the Economy, if Trump just would tell the truth.. instead he choose to keep lying to the American People.
Like we all now know he did.



But Obama and Hillary bad... Trump chosen by Jesus.



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https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/29/de-blasio-coronavirus-trump-response/

"De Blasio, NYC Officials Downplayed COVID-19 Threat After Trump Restricted Travel To China. Here Are 5 Examples"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pres...how-they-downplayed-coronavirus-outbreak

"Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany Reminds Media How They Downplayed Coronavirus Outbreak"

He wants to sell his books.
The media is helping with free advertising.

So after almost a year of the covid-19 "Pandemic" Bob Woodward has all of a sudden finally decided to start releasing 19 incriminating Trump tapes over the few weeks right before the 2020 election?

Hey Joken2 whats that smell......

Ask Biden he's the sniffer extraordinaire...

BFD.

This is your giant Democrat "bombshell"? This is such a nothing, it might explain why Adam Schiff is trying out Russia collusion for the third, fourth, or is it the fifth time.

February 7 was very early on, and Trump got MANY opinions on this from MANY experts, not just Robert Obrein. Despite what you Lefties want us to believe, there is no effective and manageable containment strategy that would have been effective once this virus left Wuhan. None.


COVID is follow a similar timeline to the last 5 pandemics of respiratory viruses. They all lasted 18-24 months. They peak out at the 10-14 month mark and then burn out. That is, unless dumbasses institute policies that drag out transmission longer. Then you just might have an 18 month event turn into a 48 month event by government mismanagement. Imagine that, government mismanagement.

Viruses are opportunistic organisms. They hit the easy targets, meaning the most vulnerable first, and the more resistant targets last. Let's look at COVID. Hit the old folks first and hard, 8 months later hitting the college kids but with not nearly the seriousness. Pretty much follows the script. So, Dumpfuck50, stick this troll stuff where the sun doesn't shine. No coincidence that you and whatshisnamethisweek show up to troll within 8 nine minutes of each other this morning. Was your Zoom call with the DNC informative? Did you get all the talking points????

Holy crap, Northman has finally seen the light....

Gaslighting!

If Woodward does have these alleged tapes implicating Trump, and he has held them back from the public for this long, what that really says is he's the one who bears responsibility for however many supposed covid-19 caused deaths.

So let me get this straight. 5x more deadly than the flu? So on avg there are about 4800 deaths per week during the flu season. So If that is correct we would be averaging 24,000 deaths per week, I don't see it! So we should be at 672,000 deaths as we speak given that CV 19 has been around for at least 28 weeks. And this is for the US only.

The sky is falling. We’re all gonna die. Cmon people it’s the job of the president to try and maintain calm. He was and is doing things all the time to combat this virus. I would think at least the military guys would know it is a must to try and maintain the troops. Trumps not stupid. He did the interviews knowing they would be released. Big deal.
What would any of you have done differently it he had ranted-and raved about how terrible they said it was gonna be. I’m guessing nothing. Have a nice day. Edk

So did China.

So it’s 5x more deadly than the flu? The number of deaths for Covid aren’t anywhere near that projection. Try oneX, as in as deadly, no more than the seasonal flu.

Got to snicker when even pro liberal socialist CNN feels compelled to 'Fact Check' and correct Biden's so-called "Facts" because they are so absurd... Interesting too, how when Democrats get caught telling whoppers it's reported as "Misspoke", but when it's Republicans it's reported as "Lies and/or Falsehoods"...


Fact check: Biden way overstates the number of military deaths and cases from Covid

A totally new virus, humans have no resistance against. You better take that bloody seriously.
It wasn't 5%... but 170.000 Americans dead in 6 months compared to 30-40.000 pr year to the flue..


He knew it was airborne in Jan.
He has been against using masks since then.

He knew social distancing would work.
He did not warn against that... he even wanted to do rallies.

He knew younger and children where affected.
Lied about that as well.


Just imagine IF this totally new Virus, was even more aggressive.. with the poor job Trump has done, there could absolutely be hundreds of thousands more Americans dead!!
He was privately talking about how bad he knew it was, while publicly downplaying the seriousness and going against advice put down to specifically stop Pandemics from happening.
He did stop planes.. which was a good thing. Maybe he should tell the American people the rest as well.

As a result, literally tens of thousands of Americans died because Trump didn't warn people when he knew.


He could have gone out in January and told the nation how bad this could be and be prepared to take precautions because of airborne infections.
But, Not a word!!


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Hatari you are totally wrong, some times they hit the strongest targets first, like the Spanish Flu did in 1918/1919. Whe the Spanish flu

hit my state it hit twice just like we have been told in my Moms small town 6 young people died in 1918, most in there 20,s the strongest

people died first. in 1919 it came back and killed 13 in the same small town. 5 were my uncles including my mom,s father who was 22 years

old, the other 4 were all in there 20,s prime of life. You need to get an education, because you do not know what you are talking about.

Were they strong and that why the virus attacked them?
Or by being related, there some weakness (social or genetic)?

LOL

What a dumb fugk.

Weak, desperate, pathetic, revisionist, lying, pedophile-supporting liberals.

Note how deaths from covid and with covid are now separated.
Also note how the media hypes "new infections".
More testing is more infections.
And yet the % of those asymptomatic is YUGE

Had a dozen in my work area get it.
Most of em smokers.
One over 60 w heart issues, he spent 3 days in hospital.

Others said it was like a 3 day flu, but kinda different, and the recovery didn't take long after.

Company policy has them test neg twice I think before coming back.
2 weeks is paid if positive, after that you're on sick leave, which is not much money.

Those that got it are back at work and doing fine.
Only one claims some effect and its doubtful that deadbeat employee is truthful.

One fatality next door (same company, diff plant).
Over 60, diabetic, had organ transplant........zippo immune system.

Aint taken any kids or young folks here.

However, the stress of this BS has many overdoses/suicides.
Even the local liberal rag paper was whining about that.

But seriously, the only young people dying here are druggies, car crashes or groids shooting each other.
Covid? Meh.

The aged or younger with health issues............it can be deadly.
But then other chit can wipe em out too.

Lots of bad stuff out there besides covid.

This is what the leaders of your party were doing weeks after Trump restricted travel from China and imposed a quarantine (hint: minimizing the threat, encouraging mass socialization and calling Trump a racist)

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03...ted-travel-to-china-here-are-5-examples/

Situation had already gone over the top before this in Italy, with the Silk Road economic deal between Italy and China.

anyway past sheet
new sheet

combinations of flu and Covid as one doesn't preclude the other.

new info, one of the strains of Covid has found to cause vasodilation in lung tissue, not allowing enough time for blood to be oxygenated.

sheds new light on SARS and overall course, and opens up different approaches of therapy

I kind of thought if may be serious when the Chinese were welding people in their apartments..............really did not need the President to tell me it's a bit more than the flu.

For one thing, CDC is padding the numbers. Total deaths from solely from Covid are around 9,210, not 170,000.

Also we are getting information that there is cross resistance from persons having had other flu’s.

You are correct, it is a totally new virus related to the other cold/Covid virus’s.

Northman: Don’t we get totally new flu virus’s every year? I’ll answer that for you: yes and no. The virus’s are different but related to other virus’s. There toxicity’s will vary.

DickTuck50 never met a problem he wasn’t scared to death of.

LOL

"A totally new virus, humans have no resistance against. You better take that bloody seriously."

Well, that sure explains ALL of the Asymptomatic cases!!

And Sweden's doing great having never shut down.

A disease so deadly you have to take a test to know if you ever had it.

If there was a "most clever" sticker, you earned one today, Flave.

How stupid to blame a global pandemic on one man. Good luck selling that. With today’s numbers they are close to a reported 28,000,000 cases worldwide with the death rate by % at about 3.20%. In the USA we have almost 6,400,000 (false positives included) cases reported and about 191,000 ( false deaths by COVID included) deceased giving 2.98%. 3% is a very consistent number for death rate ever since tracking started. The thing that hurts the USA numbers is the incompetence of Dem run states NY, Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey. These 4 states enhance the nation death total by close to 50,000 deaths, thats about 25% of the nations deaths. While Florida and Texas had high case rates weeks back their deaths were in the 1.8% and 2% range, while NY and New Jersey were at 7.5% and 8%. In comparison, Florida has 4 to 5 times the cases that NJ has but about half the death. Bottom line the POTUS has been on top of this since it was unleashed. He has made incredible strides in medical supplies, treatments and vaccine generation. Little did he realize that Clinton, Bush and Obama/Biden sold our countries medical supply and pharmaceutical manufacturing down the river to the country of COVID 19 origin. Trump wanting to not panic the country in an interview is part and parcel to being a great leader all the while working to eradicate the virus. BTW Trump didn’t move fast enough according to Dems, but now has fast tracked vaccine and apparently he’s now too efficient for the left. What a joke Dems are. I’ve never seen a more dishonest party and media aligned against a President. He’s still standing and dishing it out, which make him extraordinary as others would have folded by now, which has been the Dem plan throughout the last 4 years. Pox on the Dem Party and the Media, they are truly the enemy of the U.S. citizens.

Second that

That is a false number put out by Qanon the offical number is around 192,000 dead and probably that is low.

Hell New York had 30,000 plus dead less than 3 months. Many states had more than 9,000 dead. Why do you think hospitals

in New York had Refer Vans stacked up in there loading dock are full of bodies

........LIES and DISTORTIONS from Northman who is about to head south. You are an idiot!.....Out of the 170K USA deaths, just over 9,200 were ACTUAL DEATHS from covid19 in and of itself.... MAJOR UNDERLYING conditions caused the other 160K plus deaths. So it is Trump's fault for all of their underlying conditions PRIOR TO THE VIRUS?????......YA SEE CLOWN. It does not matter what Trump said, what he did or did not do. Trump did a poor job handling the virus?? LIE! LIE! LIE!....Going against advice to stop the pandemic?? LIE! LIE! LIE!....He knew younger children were infected??? LIE! LIE! LIE!....Literally 10's of thousands died because Trump did not warn people when he knew??? LIE! LIE! LIE!.....Trump could have gone out in January and told the nation how bad this could be and be prepared??? LIE! LIE! LIE! HEY BONEHEAD. There was not enough data or knowledge about the virus to make ANY determination in January....You think had Trump made a few warning announcements from a podium that it would have prevented all of the deaths??? IDIOT!.....Your brain a sponge for all of the lies and distortions regurgitated by the hate Trump hypocrite media.

You are familiar with the "atta boy" vs "oh schitt" concept, yes?

He's just another Marxist puke in the enemy camp.

full dementia mode now

.........Hey GARBAGE TRUCK 50....That's right! GARBAGE TRUCK 50.....Many of dead in NY was directly the responsibility of Cuomo, who ORDERED infected covid19 patients into nursing homes which in turn killed more than 11,000 PLUS residents of those nursing homes as they all had MAJOR underlying conditions before the virus hit.....It was Trump who gave Cuomo every damned thing he ask for including a SHIP, make shift hospitals, PPE equipment and supplies and on and on....Forget about THAT?? OF COURSE. Because Trump hating libTURD idiots such as yourself ALWAYS and deliberately forget. Does not fit your defeat Trump narrative.

That ladder accident and all the dope you smoke has really made you dumber than a bag of hammers. in the winter of 1942, FDR played down the japanese gains in the Pacific and before that, the collapse of our ecnomy. In 1962 JFK played down the Missile Crisis when we went to DEFCON TWO. in 2009 Obama played down the bank collapses And why? to keep pussified little homos like you from panicking and buying up all the [bleep]. FOAD JeffO

You are incorrect Qanon is lying COVID-19 192,000 people in USA Died Probably more. If a person who has an under lying health issues

gets COVID-19 and dies, the underlying health issues did no kill him COVID-19 killed him. Because if he did not have

COVID-19 he would still be alive with the under lying conditions, so COVID-19 is the root cause of his death. 92% of the deaths

are caused by COVID-19 not 6% according to Qanon.

.....LIES! U IDIOT!....If a person has underlying conditions and then COVID comes along causing death, IT WAS NOT COVID that caused the death. It was the spark not the cause. If all of the deaths had NO underlying conditions beforehand, then the deaths tolls would have been dramatically reduced. No where near 192K.......MORON!

You’re really stupid!!!

I,m sorry the medical people world wide disagree with you. I,m no expert but they are so I believe them and think you are wrong.

You are trying to swim up stream against medical science. I,ll go with medical science.

Sweden has 5800 deaths from Covid... with 10 million people.

And you belive the US has 9200.... with a population that is 36 times larger.

...............Dr. Marc Segal as well as many other medical experts I could name,,,,,,DISAGREE with YOU......Turn about is fair play.

Super mario jr is a dum-bass and had no F'n clue how to handle it yet is too narcissistic to admit it ?

I know you don't really understand this immunology stuff very well, but let me help you.

They were NOT the strongest targets! They may have been young and fit, but their immune systems were not as "strong" or resistant.

Why do you think that the Spanish flu hit the younger population harder than the older in 1918-19? "Hmmm, I don't know Doc, probably because Trump lied and you voted for a liar in 2016?"

No, wrong answer.

The more likely answer is that the older population was exposed to the same or very similar strain of influenza some decades before 1918. Given the demographics that you are reporting, I'd say in the early 1890s or or 1880s. That segment of the population had immune resistance to the virus that generation not yet born never developed. Hence, the under 30 crowd had no immunity but the over 30 crowd had some. That makes the younger generation WEAKER from an immune stand point. The virus does find the weaker targets first.

Let's go a little further. Why was there really no outbreak for H1N1 in the US until the mid 1970s? "Hmmm, I don't know" says GunTruck. "Because of Russian collusion?"

No, sorry, wrong again. It is because not only the US but the World developed herd immunity from H1N1 in 1918-19. The generation alive during that outbreak had an immunity, and it wasn't until they had largely died off that the "Spanish Flu" returned. It was also the reason medicine was concerned about another pandemic. It would have had the same pattern. Younger people who had no immunity would get it, older people would fare better because they survived 1918-19.

Can you guess why we went 90 years between 1919 and 2009 without a H1N1 pandemic? Yes, all the people alive in 1919 were pretty much gone. The virus came back and had all fresh targets.

So Mr. GunTruck, Doc Hatari is not "totally wrong". However, I forgive your ignorance in this situation. I don't expect to have understood this before hand. BUT, I THINK I'LL TURN YOUR OWN QUOTE AROUND ON YOU:

You have 100% certainty that ALL of those folk would be alive today minus the rona?
MMMMKAY

.......You cannot be that damned stupid "SOUTH" man. Well I suppose you EASILY can!......Comparing Sweden to the US is a JOKE and ir-relevant......Read the following BONEHEAD!..... The CDC announced less than 2 weeks ago, that OUT OF ALL the deaths in the US, only 9210 were a direct result of covid19. The remaining approx 170K deaths were a result of MAJOR underlying conditions that all of those people had BEFORE covid hit. Covid was the spark but NOT THE ROOT, ROOT, ROOT CAUSE of death.................

I suggest you look at a excess death chart... tens and tens of thousands of Americans died, that should not have died.


"That man didn't die of a gunshot your honor... he had cancer"...


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.............Your above comment shows how dumb and stupid you really are along with a bunch of ignorance mixed in. Using a gunshot and cancer as a comparison is intellectually dishonest and is a lie........You are right. Tens of thousands of people died that should not have died.....Therefore BLAME CHINA (the origin of covid) and THEIR FAILURE to control the disease. They deliberately LIED to the world, deceived the world, failed to turn over their info, rejected entry of US doctors and other medical personnel
into China, did NOT restrict any travel from China to the rest of the world and they covered up the truth.......BUT NO! YOU as a Trump hating and intellectually dishonest clown that you are, MUST BLAME TRUMP.....And btw dummy.....ROOT causes of death is what goes on autopsy reports as well.

Jeffo and step ladders. Now there's some interesting science there lmao

Jeffo never took a math or science class in his life hence the stupidity and incoherent rants

And what is your point? No really, what is your point? How is it that you and your cronies seem to insist on making a disease a political tool? Sure, we know why. You can't beat Trump in an election based on the your party's platform. The country will not knowingly run to Marxism. So everything is Trump's fault. Trump personally killed all those people. If we had locked down Jan 1 everyone would still be alive and have their own pet unicorns frolicking in fields of cotton candy.

Get back to the real world.

- Once this thing got out of Wuhan, the world was phouced. No way to contain it once it went to every country in the world.

- Respiratory disease can be deadly. This is a respiratory disease. Why the surprise that it is sometime deadly?

- Your Party has no plan for anything. Wearing masking waiting for a vaccine does what? How long will it take to vaccinate 8 billion humans? Took 40 years to eradicate small pox. You got 40 years?

- The last 4 pandemics lasted about 18 months. Do the math. In a race between the virus naturally running it's course and a mass vaccination program that can't start until at lest 10-12 months into the pandemic, who wins, Vaccine or natural immunity? Tough call isn't it? So why are we making an 18 month problem a 36+ month problem with isolation and lock downs? (Because Trump colluded with Russia, I'm sure).


If your side ever wants to take the White House agian, you will have to come up with some solutions that work. You have to have action that produces positive results. You need to give voters something to vote FOR rather than someone to vote AGAINST.

All you have is

- Trump = bad
- Mask = good. It will save us all (but you'll wear it forever and still get the virus)
- "Peaceful protests" destroying our cities = good if Trump wins,; bad = if Biden wins.
- China = sort of bad, but don't be mean to them
Iran (see China policy)
- North Korea (see last two)
- energy production = bad; rolling blackouts are ok, though)
- Use Ten Years After as your economic platform ("Tax the rich, feed the poor, until there are no rich no more")
- White people are evil and need to be punished. White Christian men especially. 'Die pigs!"


That is but a thumbnail of what your party offers. Who wants to vote FOR any of that?

Yes, china did all that.

And Trump knew in January that Covid was way way worse then the normal flu... very dangerous and deadly.
5x more deadly then the regular flu and airborne.

But for several weeks he downplayed everything..

Dereliction of duty...


And still there are right-wingers that refuse to wear a mask.. even it can help those with underlying conditions as you said.




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I blame trump because he lied to the public, and did not give the public the full picture of the firestorm that

only he knew was coming. Instead at every turn he down played the danger when only he knew it was 5 times or

more dangerous than anyone else. He told no one as far as we know. He just went on and keep lying to the public.

Which cause thousands of Republicans and Democrats to loose there lives.

Northdumb and DickTuck what a pair of Mensa’s...

pathetic . And Sweden didnt lockdown, no masks, open schools and businesses and low covid deaths

Medical science says a man is a man and a woman is a woman, but Dems believe otherwise.

..............You are a damned LIAR!.... NO! Trump DID NOT KNOW it was worse than a normal flu! WHY? Because in January IDIOT, there was not enough solid evidence to make that determination. In fact you IDIOT and LIAR, there was not one medical person or so-called expert who came forward within the month of January INCLUDING anyone from Trump's task force who announced that covid19 was 6X more deadly than the flu and airborne....GOTCHA AZZ HOLE!.....Your sponge brain is AGAIN soaking up LYING demCRAP talking points.......Also you damned HYPOCRITE, it was your party namely the demCRAPs including PIGlosi, who all ON VIDEO TAPE played down the virus during the months of Jan, Feb and well into March, saying to go about our lives, no need for masks and nothing to fear from covid 19......Forgot all about that? Right HYPOCRITE?..................Checkmate JELL-OOOOOO, southman or whoever......LIAR!

If the danger were REAL, 80 year-old Nancy Pelosi would not have been out getting her hair done, without a mask.

Nancy showed us all, that the constant MSM fearmongering is nothing but political theater.

If that incident didnt show what a scam this has been I don't know what will. Without the useful uneducated idiots like the op( Jeff) this thing would have been over months ago. But commies always need their useful idiots to succeed and destroy America

........You lie again through them flappy ass gums of yours....Trump had no way to determine ANY future firestorm in January. Nor did any of the medical experts....GINT-SCHITS! You are such a lying pathetic fool and hypocrite.....You are a foolish lap dog for the LYING media.......Waggin yer tail rapidly back and forth waiting for the next story that comes out with the fantasy of hoping that somehow it will destroy Trump.....

Pretty well sums everything thing up in one tidy lil' package.

....YEP! Liberal HACKS and FOOLS like "GARBAGEtruckminus50IQ never seem to research the facts. Here he uses Sweden as a comparison and yet they never locked down, did not wear masks, and kept schools and businesses open.....LOL...LOL.....The boomerang should be getting to him right about now.....LOL

Trump on Feb 5:
"It goes through air, Bob. That’s always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch, you don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. … And so, that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than your—you know, your, even your strenuous flus. You know, people don’t realize, we lose 25,000, 30,000 people a year here. Who would ever think that, right? Pretty amazing. And then I say, well, is that the same thing? This is more deadly. This is 5 per—you know, this is 5 percent versus 1 percent and less than 1 percent. You know? So, this is deadly stuff."

So.. he believed it would be 5% vs 1% for the flu.
Thats five times larger.
30.000 flu x 5 = 150.000

During a press conference on Feb. 26, for instance, Trump encouraged the public to “view this the same as the flu” and to “treat this like you treat the flu.”*
Less than three weeks earlier, he told Woodward the disease was “more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

But he didn't warn anybody.. publicly and by tweets everything was under control.


Five days after his Fox News interview, on March 9, Trump again sent out a tweet comparing COVID-19 to the common flu.

Trump on March 19:
After he had acknowledged privately the threat of the virus but played it down publicly, Trump told the journalist that “I wanted to always play it down, I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.”




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And think about it, how many of those tired old senators and representatives have died of Covid? I haven't heard of a single one. You would think they are among the very vulnerable.

Maybe they have all been given plasma antibody therapy already?

It's all a big political dirty trick. Create fear, crash the economy, install Biden.

..........You present nothing more than transcripts, all subject to interpretation....Look CLOWN.......In late January 10 days AFTER the first case in the US hit Wash state, Trump bans all travel to and from China. A week later he bans all travel to and from Europe. Then he forms the task force to include bringing in all medical resources possible from the private sector. Cuts red govt tape to find a vaccine and produce PPE and therapeutics. Invokes the military and private sector for distribution. Increases testings into the millions and on and on.......SCIENTIFICALLY, there is absolutely NO DAMNED way that had Trump WARNED the nation as you would have liked him to do, that doing so could have prevented any more deaths......You are looking at what he says or did not say rather than his actions.......Again! You are nothing more than a mouthpiece and lap doggie for the lying news media.....You honestly believe that had Trump announced in late Jan that this virus was 5x more deadly that it would have changed a damned thing?...... The entire demCRAP party during Jan, Feb and in early March were saying, "GO ABOUT YOUR LIVES",,, "NO NEED FOR MASKS",,,, "Trump is USING THE VIRUS for FEAR MONGERING",,,, "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE VIRUS"...ALL ON VIDEO TAPE!..............You are one pathetic pile of HYPOCRITICAL crap NORTHMAN.

So of the two you will be voting for Trump since he was weeks ahead of the Democrats on shutting things down including travel.

................................Ooooooooh yeah.......Excellent observation

It isn't anywhere near 5 times more deadly. In fact people with no political bent say it is less deadly than the flu. These are doctors and researchers who have not depended on modeling, but actual cases. What is interesting and may have already been pointed out is Woodward had this info since Feb or March and sat on it to sell a book just before the election to undermine Trump. He had info that maybe could have saved people and he sat on it just to try and get Biden a win. Who is the worst in this case, Trump, the guy who didn't want to set off a panic, but got medical supplies to everyone who needed it (mainly democrat run places that got rid of their needed supplies and had the worse outcomes) or Woodward who held onto pertinent info that could save people but did it for money and power?

Trump was specifically briefed on Jan 28 how severe this was.
On Jan 31 he banned air travel to China, because of concerns it would spread to the US.Which he was told on Jan 23 and 28.

On Feb 5 he told the reporter how bad this was.
While playing it down to the general public for multiple weeks!!
And encouraging people to come to his rallies.. and still do.


Now.. regarding "transcripts"... I heard it in his own voice..
Most news channels have run it. Hope you know that.
Trump allowed the reporter to record him for his book..





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When did he ban travel from China?

Fauci backs up Trump on this. Where do you stand with him?

...Late January

The COVID-19 virus is just another seasonal flu (not a pandemic) and is not 10 times more dangerous than the regular flu. Our"experts" have known that for a long time but won't admit it publicly.

"Trump was specifically briefed on Jan.28 how severe this was"

August 2020, Nancy still hadn't been briefed?

............Ok. I'll play.... So what Trump said on Feb 5th and then playing it down to the public afterwards for weeks caused many more deaths? And your scientific proof of that is where? From WHOM? I see that you refuse to address the fact that the demCRAPs played the virus down in Jan, Feb and well into March? Calling Trump a fear monger and accusing him of using the virus for political gain? Interesting you do not address that NORTHMAN......Why? Because it does not fit your Trump hating narrative. You are a bold faced HYPOCRITE!

"Orange Man Bad", says commie Jew. Fellow scumbags agree.

Jan 28
Briefed about the severity.
"This will be the biggest national threat you face in your Precedency. This is going to be the roughest thing you face."

Jan 31:
Closed travel to China an Europe because of concern for it to spread.

Feb 5:
On record with reporter, saying it spreads through air and believes its is 5 times more deadly then the most strenuous flu.

Feb 26:
Telling people that they should just treat it like a regular flu.

and on and on and on and on and on.....

March 9:
Sent out another tweet, encouraging people to treat this like a common flue.

March 16:
Recommended National social distancing..

August 2020, Nancy blows it all out of the water....yet YOU refuse to acknowledge this.

So.. he wasted all of February downplaying the severity, when he could instead started slowly encouraging Americans to take this threat very serious and prepare to face social distancing, wearing masks, working from home if possible, home schooling, etc etc etc..

But we still have hard right-wingers refusing to wear masks and gathering in close quarters... because Trump knew better then the lying press.
Instead all the while he was actually lying and misleading the American people during all this time...

Even encouraging public gatherings now for his campaign.

You’re really really dumb!!!

He knew on the day the DNI told it was going to be the worse thing to happen during his presidency

It was either mid January or Feb 7th take your pick. The DNI had medical people who worked for them

They did the analysis and wrote it up for Robert Obrien and his aid to tell the president. From Feb 7th Trump lied to the American

people and he admitted it to Bob Woodward on tape. I suggest you listen to the tape I have.

Hydroxychloroquine/zinc with Vit D.

Almost as stupid as your Russian collusion gibberish JeffO. But not quite. Keep posting you moron

Sooo?

There has never been a world wide lock down and the world will debate the success and failure of the world wide response for decades to come. What makes you think your way would be any better in the long run? You don't freaking know. You just want to bitch about the Bad Orange man.

Why aren't you bitching about the ChiComs who let this out of Wuhan and screwed the world in the process? Why aren't you bitching at the Italians that managed ths so badly it scared the crap out of the world. What, no criticism for their mismanagement? No criticism for their under funded and hardly adequate social health system?

The Japanese didn't lock down, and look at them now. The Swedes did very little, had big numbers early, and now numbers have plummeted. Were they smarter? Who's right?

You dumbasses think that telling everyone to hide at home for a year or more would save them all? What is flattening the Curve? Flattening the curve is NOT about reducing the number of cases, it is about spreading the same number out over a longer period to enable healthcare to deal with it. You people seem to think you can run and hide from the virus, but you can't. Maybe if you have your own island, but you gotta have trade sooner or later and when you do, the virus is coming for you.

We have this concept that you Marxist just don't understand and that you want to destroy. That is freedom of choice.

People want to go to a Trump rally? This is America, go! People don't want to go, then stay home. People want to ride motorcycles without helmets? This is America, do what you want, just remember what happened to Gary Busey.

If you want to wear a mask and stay home, go for it! Why should I if I don't want to? Why is it my obligation to look after you? That's what you don't get and don't want. Freedom. You like the Nanny State. "Experts" make all the decisions. You just want to pick the "experts", don't you? We can call shop for our own "Experts" and even get a consensus. Look at the Climate Change thing, plenty of "experts" with credentials on both sides. Pick/buy your expert.

All that aside, we know you are simply putting on a charade. Had HRC been POTUS, and done exactly these steps, you'd be crowing about how she saved "millions". After all, weren't 2 million gonna die? Hillary saved 1.8 million people so far!!! That is the real you.

Sweden is the worst example you could use. today they have 5843 deaths almost doing nothing. Denmark has 629 deaths doing every thing they can.

Norway has 265 deaths doing everything they can. Finland has 337 deaths doing everything they can. Sweden would have saved about 2900 lives if they

did the same as the others.

Every time some azzhat thinks they have something to drag down Trump, they get all wet! To bad when ask about it he was transparent and honest! Taking the wind from their sales. Leaving them with another wet spot to clean. Fuggors should buy stock in maytag!

Not so we heard tape recordings of Trumps voice and he was told he was being recorded. listen to the tapes.

Not necessary. 2000mg Vit C a day, along with 5000iu Vit D, with some copper tossed in if you are starting to feel under the weather, and you will NEVER get a respiratory infection.

Like HRC's emails and Obama's birth certificate Reba? You hillbillies beat those dead horses into the ground.

I dislike having to tell you this, but since you are so full o' schitt, it becomes necessary. The media lies to you. Yep. Really. They do. About all kinds of stuff. Unless you've spent this year in Scandinavia touring hospitals and looking at patient charts, you don't know fuuck-all about what is happening over there. Repeat: the media lies to you.

So Trump knew and is responsible for all deaths because he tried to prevent a panic among the weak sisters. - Villain
Woodward knew and sat on it for 7 months in an attempt to sway an election in a pedophile's favor and, more importantly, make money from his book. - Hero.

Liberals are one fugged up group of sheep.

Deadly.... To 6 percent of they population that's not obese, diabetic, had high blood pressure, hypertension, be or aids...
Yeah deadly.

....LOL...LOL..........As it turned out SouthJOKE, the Corona virus IS NOT 5X deadlier than the most strenous flu......And as such, your entire argument against Trump is nothing more than a house of cards on a shaky foundation during a windy day....COMPLETELY TOPPLED!....All you and the other idiots namely GARBAGETRUCK50 and,CHUCKY are doing, is trying to use Trump's words against him. However and in doing so, you have absolutely NO scientific evidence or proof that had Trump warned the nation that it would have saved more lives. ......And as usual, you FAILED to address the demCRAPs handling of the virus during Jan. Feb and March which is all on video tape for everyone to see. I know that you are deliberately ignoring THAT ISSUE! Right SouthJOKE? Yep!........

Ok.. so if somebody can trace their virus from you, can we then charge you for manslaughter when you knowingly and willfully didn't use a mask?

Since your freedom are not more worth then anybody you might have infected?

Your "freedom" ends when you hurt and endanger others lives willfully.

Don't believe nothing you hear or read and only half of what you see and make an informed decision off of that. We don't know anyone who has died from the China virus hoax. And the couple of folks we know who actually got sick and tested positive for the China virus hoax said it wasn't anything compared to the normal flu. The overall death total so far in the US of A this year is right in line with the previous years averages. That tells me the China virus all a hoax or Trump has done one heck of a job keeping US safe. Common sense isn't very common any more.

I see you dont have Scandinavian family members who can read and write the language....

You are to far gone, when you belive every other country out there is lying and only Trump is correct.. thats delusional!!!

Right, some people did. How productive do YOU think that was? Do you think that was a political circus with the only aim to damage the President?

Well...? If you are honest, you will come out and say that was all political theater. So is this. So what to have to say about "2 wrongs"? Thiink this is Ok because its against Trump, but the other was wrong?

Ironic that Clintons started the Obama birth cert thing


Oh caldum always good for a chuckle. Oh look at all of the Biden signs in N Idaho!!!!!!!

Im glad the elementary schools were closed in N Idaho when you were in the area. They don't take too kindly to child molesters up here. You should probably stick to Thailand where it is still legal sick phug.

lmao

You hillbillies do realize a guy can not be a D and also not buy into what DJT has sold all of you, right? You hillbillies do realize a guy and own guns and not buy into what DJT has sold you right?

Mind blown! I tend to think for myself and not fall into the tribalism trap you all bought from DJT.

Zackly

Was Pelosi and Deblasio dismissing this virus at the same time and telling people to ignore the warnings? Can you tell me where the US ranks as far as deaths per million compared to other countries? Can you tell me how many people have been tested compared to other countries? NO you cannot because you will look really really bad. Just remember scumbag the states under democratic control with the strictest restrictions were the absolute worst. This information is out on the Net , you are too stupid to find it most likely.

The rez leftists sure don't seem to want to touch this.......

..........SOUTHJOKE! (northman)..... You are the gift that just keeps on giving......MASKS DO NOT WORK!!.... LOL>>>LOL...Cuz the Covid particles are too small to be properly filtered....LOL

Keep a goin. I enjoy blowing yer house of cards down. So your last post above is??? LOL>>>LOL

Stay the heck inside if you need to wear a mask, only sick people or pussies wear a mask. I have as much rights as you to do to do as I please azz hole.

So now the natural spread of disease, an Act of God, is manslaughter. So where i n your dystopian mind does this end? Catch a cold from someone is a class A felony? You once caught a whiff of second hand smoke and sue for possible COPD or lung cancer? You live in a warped alternate reality, really a dystopian horror.

You must have someway to block all communicable diseases, and have some information that until January of 2020, no diseases were every spread throughout the human population. Now, it is manslaughter.

Man, you either have some imagination, or serious mental health issues. Contact trace back and charge somebody with manslaughter. Ha!

I've got a news flash for you. Flaw in contact tracing is that how are you going to PROVE that you didn't have the virus BEFORE you had contact with the person you claim infected you? You can't. Jeez!

Which also leaves the door open to the possiblity that YOU were the orignal source. Enjoy prison?

....CALL-NUMB-NUTS otherwise referred to as callnum..........Tell us all Numby....Can you produce anything of any viability against trump other than your dumb and stupid opinion?.... YEAH! WE ALL CAN SEE THAT YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF!!...LOL...That is your problem....IDIOTS are full of opinions and hearsay, but cannot produce a damned thing of substance......That be UUUU NUMB NUTS!

good friend of yours caldum?

https://www.foxla.com/news/oklahoma...zXdDQqZV1tZNS-5T5F_iwdJltF5lqfOe4l1-8iH8

If the mask wearers reasoning is correct then they are totally safe from us non wearing people. Their air is filtered so they have no reason to make me wear one. Fear not oh Democrat’s ole joe will save ya. LOL edk

What state does Northman not work in that has him so fugking scared?

LOL

Yes.. so all the people that took this serious and tried to make themselves, their families and other strangers safe by wearing masks.
While you believed Trump (who we now know lied to the American people again) that this is not dangerous, refuse to wear something that might help others and reducing spreading it.


Trump said its not dangerous. You believed him above all else.
Trump caught lying about how dangerous it is.. you can't accept you got lied to and now manufacture reasons to still refuse wearing a mask that might help.

And it wasn't.

LOL

It’s not dangerous and you’re still a dumbass!!!

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Are you still a rugged individual or a scared helpless child?

And here we go again... privately he was very concerned. But kept telling the public to not worry.

Look up some excess death tables will ya...
How many more then Normal Americans have died these past 6 months, compared to the last 10 years.

Then try looking at other countries..

My neurosurgeon graduated from Harvard, Johns Hopkins and MIT. He is a very smart and compassionate man and I have full faith in his grasp of science. I asked him about wearing masks to prevent the spread of C-19 and he said that it makes people think they’re doing something when in reality it does very little to prevent the spread and can often do harm because of not only a false sense of security but each mask can become a sponge for contamination. Being worn, touched, taken off and set down, being reworn, etc...

I’ve asked all my doctors and they all felt the same way.

Walter, you off your meds again.

Personally, I believe at least some states are manipulating covid-19 numbers by intentionally cutting off daily testing at given point when they reach a "sweet spot", so to speak. That "sweet spot" is where the percentage of positives start to peak and the law of diminishing returns takes effect, resulting in decreasing numbers of positives the more that are tested, causing the percentage of positives of total number tested to get smaller.

Sorry GunTruck 50--- ya wouldn't last long as a crew member on the Guntruck I was on

The numbers are absolutely being manipulated! My oldest son had tonsillitis and the doctor labeled it “covid related”. That was immediately after the doctor told him that he DID NOT have covid!

A friend of ours had a UTI and that too was labeled “covid related”. 🙄

So now Northman is claiming his mask does not save him. Damn man make up your mind. Your either safe with it on or not. Edk

Vote for the pedophile if that turns your crank. Says a lot about you.

Trump has no ZERO credibility left

Woodward has done the right thing, the public is best served by knowing that Trump lied and tried to deceive and did little to help people make an informed choice.

To the 190,000 families who lost loved ones, they will get a chance to share their feeling on Election day, it really is that simple

Hehehehe....seen Flave's sig line yet?

LMFAO

I'll bet Trump will drop out any day now.

You might want to gird your loins for the coming Trump landslide.

How about I go off my own life experience and quickly ascertain it was and remains a nothing.

Where do you live that has you so "affected?"

LOL

You know, when I was a kid, being called a fluffer was an insult.

LOL

You had to ask a neurosurgeon to figure that out?

Oh, is he that idiot?

LOL

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ginther

Did you pick your user name, or did your buddy pick it for you?

Damn, that's funny. Thanks, 'Flave.

Nope. I do like to ask those that I trust what their opinion is, especially if it’s in their field of expertise. Getting facts and insight from various sources does help to create an informed opinion.

If his answer was different then I might’ve been looking for a different surgeon. 😉

......Gint-Schitts...The idiot that never stops.

.........SouthJOKE...call-numb-nuts, sa CHUCKY,.......Hey sponge brains. How ya doing today? Soaking up the lies and distortions from the media ay?...........

So we ALL know Joe Biden, LIES MOST OF THE TIME. Taking his son to China and the Ukraine and got huge paying jobs for jobs he had no experience doing, and ol Joe said he didn't influence these job offers. Hell, stealing Trumps last 4 years of trying to get foreign made products manufactured here, and most of everything that turd claims as his plan if he gets elected, are stolen and the same President Trump is either doing or proposes he will do in 2021 moving forward.


I would like to see the entire video 5 minutes before President Trump stated the China virus is spread in the air and 5x more dangerous. The context of those words matter to me, before slamming the President . He also was getting conflicting opinions with WHO, CDC and his folks trying to decide the best path to go down. He has a lot more than deciding who gets the n95 before they run out, how to manufacture more masks and ventilators, etc. His job is a little more detailed than anyone here could imagine, but we can quarterback now what HE should have done.

It's ironic that when the president said Covid was an issue in January the Dems and media downplayed it and said it was a diversion from the hearings and wasn't a serious threat. Now they all sing a different song that he should have been chirping louder. I think the public will see through this latest political hit job by the media on behalf of the Dems.

Trump probably did the right thing by trying to downplay it until some of the infrastructure was in place to deal with it. Look at the panic buying that was happening during February and March as he worked to get the American manufacturing industry to help with the supply chain of sanitizer, masks and ventilators. A manufacturing industry that was decimated by NAFTA and written off by Obama and Biden. Remember when Obama/Biden said manufacturing jobs weren't necessary to our economy and won't be coming back, as skilled service jobs were our future? Funny how Biden campaigned in Michigan this week, pandering to the unions, singing a different tune that manufacturing is now our future. A true politician, he leans whichever way the wind blows.

Bolsheviks have to really be scraping to pull Bob Woodward out of mothballs. LOL!

Yeah and Woodward held this "Damaging information" for all these months when Bidens ratings are plunging. If he was so concerned why not come out with it sooner?

Funny stuff and I didn't even have to pay him!!

Hey Deflave mom asked for the strap-on back, give us a bell when you've retrieved it.....

I call bullshit on your whole post.

Masks don't protect you by their filtration they reduce the risk of aerosols from people who have Covid 19.

You really are dum fuq posting what you did

12 pages of this and all I got from it is the OP doesn't know how to spell the flu, or he thinks COVID is in his chimney.

Funny, I asked my doctor, who is also a specialist, and he said EXACTLY the same thing. He doesn't require masks in his office. He hasn't all year.

At this point, either everyone or no one has or has had Covid. If you don't understand that, you just don't understand.

And we learned Trump was not smart enough to keep his mouth shut while talking to a reporter with a tape recorder running. Dumb azz

......And we also learned what a liar, fool and traitor you are Call numb nuts.....I will be thinking of you 6 or 7 abject idiots and clowns on election night.

...........MORE LIES from Gint-thaaaaa.

More denial by Squeezie. But carry on. The facts about masks are pretty well documented. They do make a difference. Live with it (or die, I don't care).

I think so too.

........Hey LaaaRoy or LIARroy or LYIN LaaaaRoy...I kinda like the last one. It flows perfectly....Sorry LYIN LaaaRoy. There are actual viral experts who will disagree with ya. Dr. Marc Segal happens to be one of them....

Paging Dr Ginther Paging Dr Ginther. You haven't even finished your GED and now you're a disease specialist? LMAO

Dumbass.

Trump imposed the China travel ban on January 31.

Commies in D.C. fought it tooth and nail. They called him a racist for banning people from China from entering our country.

How soon we forget.



https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-bans-travel-china-orders-1st-quarantine-50-years/


By banning China travelers, Trump saved 100's of thousands.

Yet he had to fight democrats to do it.

Here you go, you stupid commie pukes. The heath care workers quarantined their C 19 patients and wore complete full body (like hazmat) protection with top quality masks and hoods with head to toe protective suits with gloves and booties.

Wtf good did it do, not much without the Hydroxychloroquine tx Trump recommended.

Get some high school kid to read this and explain it to you guys, especially you, Northmam.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7198459/

LOL I have been selling Viral/Bacterial filters that trap down to 0.01 Microns with 99.99999% efficiency for 20 years.

Pays to know what your talking about, and my filters get used in Operating theatres by Laparoscopic Surgeons. Most surgery is performed with Ultrasonic and RF diathermy devices that aerosol human tissue, capturing those aerosol protect the Surgeon and theatre staff.

Ribka you couldn't look any more stupider than right now

Flavious Decimus is the bestestest.

And Pelosi was claiming it a false flag after Trump made the China ban, and wanted SF residents to attend the Chinese new year event in her town.

Was not a crew member I was chief of maintenance, plus in charge of up armoring the trucks, plus getting more weapons for our

vehicles. My unit saw the most action of any unit in our 10 truck company Bn. in 2003/2004. I turned in one ammo report where we

expended 12,000 rounds of 50 cal in a week. We had 18 M2,s.

Good job.

But you’re still a dumb fugk.

What the hell does filter traps have to do with those piece of Schitt masks some people wear. Air takes the path of least resistance just like water. Keep wearing it though Gunther even alone in your car so we have something to laugh at. Edk

If you don't understand how aerosol particles leave the body and how masks reduce this then clearly ur dum as dog shiet. Masks reduce the risk of aerosoled Covid 19 spreading from an asymptomatic carrier to those in the surroundings, it ain't rocket science

Bullsh!t

LMAO

I think the fluffer actually believes his own bullschit.

You're gullible as well as stupid.

I've got some special Snake Oil for sale, Fluffer. Want to make a trade?

Stick to what you are doing. You don't want a job that requires mastery of the written English language.

Even with Trump not sounding the alarm soon enough, when he did it was too soon and xenophobic. Just ask drunk Joe.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...rus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic

TFF

I may be dummer than dog Schitt but I’m still a couple levels over your head. Those masks won’t even keep out heavy grain dust. I used to spit out coughed up grain dust for several days after using them. Yup they are greattttt. Edk

And why are you such an expert? Where is your proof that the media is lying about the 5843 COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, NO

in Sweden is challenging these numbers. In fact I here they are thinking about doing like Norway and the other 2 countries. They are slowly

admitting they made a mistake.

Why don’t you admit yours and realize you’re a dumbass??? No one here is buying your bullsh!t.

+1

The rock you have been living under has flatten your brain. Your post is gross and repulsive.

You and your buddies support a senile pedophile and you want to talk gross and repulsive? LMAO

#10 on the ignore list. List gets better every day.

At this point, what difference does it make?

- Hillary Clinton

.....Mr.Bennyslow........Chlinstuctor is right. It is YOU who is the liar, and the hypocrite, and the traitor, and the damned fool. You are gross and repulsive.

TO,,,,,Gint-schitts,,,,,,,Garbagetruck50,,,,,,sa Up 'n Chucky,,,,,,Northman (southjoke),,,,,BennySLOW,,,,,,,Lyin LaaaaROY.................Well all of your opinions about Trump and Covid19 on this thread were totally and completely ripped to shreds on Hannity tonight by Mark Levin.....Ripped each one of you idiots a new one.....Because I cannot, as I am posting this using my cell phone, I am sure that someone will post that link soon in order to give you all such BAD news as to why each of your opinions are based on lies and distortions...Of course when it comes to Trump, all lies and distortions are acceptable to you...........Levin SUMS IT ALL UP, tearing and ripping up each of you fools, traitors, hypocrites and liars to absolute perfection.......LOL>>>LOL......

The Atlantic story about Trump's alleged comments about the military has been thoroughly de-bunked. The Trump did not act early enough and did not take the virus seriously story will be absolutely de-bunked as well. Nice try Woodward and of course nice try to you six liars, fools, hypocrites and traitors........

So he should have acted like Chicken Little and incited panic? Shut even more of the country down? Make Level A suits mandatory? Exactly what was mismanaged? Were we flattening the curve or are we supposed to completely avoid going in public until the virus is gone?

Like I’ve mentioned before, do masks “work”? It depends on what the definition of “work” is. It may be stopping virion attached to aerosols, but are all virion attached to aerosols? Aren’t a significant portion free of aerosols? If so, what effect is any mask that can’t filter particles smaller 0.125 microns having on them?

I ask all of that to say this: I think its safe to assume that unless I’m living in a HEPA-filtered bubble, I’m going to be exposed at one point and/or another. When I’m exposed, I’ll either become infected or I won’t. If I become infected, I’ll either recover or die. Knowing this to be true, do I feel cheated that the president didn’t incite a panic?








No.

Perhaps he should have made this presentation:
What the president should have said in January.

...............Ooooops! I forgot to include Callnum. OMG I am so sorry Callnum that I forgot about you! A thousand pardons Call-numb-nuts. To re-phrase; NICE TRY to you SEVEN liars, fools, hypocrites and traitors.

NOSHITSHERLOCK award right there... "I'll go with the science"... right out of the democrat playbook...and wrong of course...

^^^^This
We can't just stop and hide from it. We can't pin hope on a vaccine, looks like they are never more than about 60% effective.
This(and the blm/antifa bs) is about political power.

The desperation of the left continues to ooze.

Trump supporters will not be swayed and no swing voter gives two flying fugks about COVID.

They care about mobs and jobs.

another science denying covtard

Jobs not mobs!!!!!!!

bendsoverquick,

Be careful of all those hovering droplets as you navigate your way to the taint.

LOL

GumpTruck50 and Bengay, unbridled stupidity at it's finest.

I wonder if he knows a mask won't do him any good during an ass munching session....

They only like science when they can convince you that they and Karen from Facebook are the experts. I almost feel bad expsoing their ignorance. Almost.

Im so happy Zero didnt want us to panic and told us the muzzies were the religion of peace and were only kidding about taking us, the great Satan out.

Sleepy Joe told us not to worry, the Chinese meant us no harm. They are our friends, jusy trying to help us out, like the dimocraps do.

Hatari, your argument is full of holes, The thing is young adults 18 or younger and Children also did not get Spanish flu

So to say older people had some kind of herd immunity is incorrect. I,m guessing the Spanish flu virus

Over activated there response systems in the body, and that cause there lungs to fill up and they passed.

the 20 year olds had the best response system and so they were the ones that died.

I have always had a certain respect for the marginally literate who aren't afraid to post on forums.

Don't go gettin' all soft on me now!

Jesus Christ read what you just posted Dumb Fugg.

And yes children did die of Spanish Flu, babies too. Damn you're stupid.

DickTuck your brain is full of sh!!t...

Sounds like you are pretty easily exhausted. Are you old and sick?

You will be some day.

Exactly. 28th or 29th

If it wasn't for covid, people could easily live to 130.

Flu figures show 125 child deaths, record-high hospitalizations in young children

Oh schist!! Close down the schools and toy stores!!

I knew it when I heard some Chinese guy had died from it. So did anyone else that has a brain.

A leisurely stroll through older sections of cemeteries can be quite sobering reading the names and ages on grave marker after grave marker of young children and infants that died during those Spanish flu years.

Not in the town I was speaking of. Probably did else where.

Swine flu, SARS, H1N1, Wuhan virus .... every few years a new flu. Over 60 MILLION Americans infected with H1N1 a few years ago in Obumble's failed regime and gun truck didn't mention one word. What does that tell you?

Exactly! I remember years ago walking around the cemetery where my father's grave is. A whole lot of young (very young) children died in the early 1900's here. At the time I wondered why so many children died at that time, had forgot about the Spanish Flu.

This is what I know. We have a half way house in my town. One of the inmates showed up with COVID and infected 6 staff members. Now those staff have to wear masks all the time while at work. Did they all violate that order or do mask really not work that well? I think there is far too much faith in masks.

Our COVID-19 "expert" Anthony Fauci is the one who told the world that COVID-19 is 10 times more deadly than the regular flu and caused the whole world to panic. He used the wrong death type to make that prediction. He used the CFR rate of .01 (1 out of 100) instead of the IFR rate of .001 (1 out of 1000). The CFR (case fatality rate of .01) is for the people who are seriously ill and probably in a hospital. The IFR (infection fatality rate of .001) is for the people are infected but have mild or no symptoms. Fauci used the CFR death for his death predictions and hasn't corrected his mistake to this day. When you take into account the large number of people who wont' get infected (which Fauci hasn't done) COVID-19 isn't may not turn out to be more dangerous than the regular flu.

So did the dems take it seriously when they let riots and protests happen. I think not.

I do look at charts and those from Europe too. Sweden had initially a bad time because they didn't adequately protect their older population in nursing homes. Once they did thing calmed down. 15% of Swedes wear masks. As of yet they are one of the few countries over there I haven't heard getting a second wave. One of our towns masks wearers tried to compare Germany to Montana. Saying how much better Germany was doing. So I looked at Germany from the European charts. By population MT had a few more cases, but Germany had 100x more deaths.

My big question in all this: If Bob Woodward actually had a revelation like this and he'd been sitting on it since. . .what?. . .Feb? Mar? Why did it take so long for it to come out? Bob could have made this onto the front page of the WashPO with a byline?

My other questions:

If this really was a big revelation, why is it that Donald Trump repeatedly said it was serious business in is news conferences, and that he didn't want to cause panic?

Why did he close the airports to Chinese traffic in January?


Why doesn't trollfood like this bounce off the front page of 24hourcampfire in the first hour with zero responses?

Hey just read Trump got Bahrain to normalize relations with Israel. I know it isn't part of the conversation, but it is quit obvious the ant-Trumpers need more to cry about.

How many died because leftist Bob Woodward sat on information for 7 months so that he could sell a book? Crimes against humanity! The left must really be pissed at him! Oh wait... They trot him out as a hero.

WOW! The stupid is strong in you!

The Spanish flu didn’t affect children 18 or younger?.....LMFAO.

I never had any respect for you or your opinions but you just entered into a whole other realm of dumbfuckery. I can’t believe how ignorant you leftists are, dangerously so!

Problem is with these non medical trolls, I can't have a coherent conversation with them because they they don't understand the subject they are talking about in any meaningful way. Funny how I can sit with my MD and DMD buddies and discuss this and group will agree on almost all points, but throw in someone educated on Google and they want to argue how we're all wrong.

I hate that our professors in medical school lied but CNN tells the truth. Glad those lies turned up as right answers on the National Boards.


GunTruck is another walking Dunning-Kruger. A dude who stacked cans of .50 cal on vehicles wants to argue epidemiology with me? Well, ok, this is still America. Go for it!

Aces- have you noticed almost all of the usual trolls and sockpuppets have shown up on this thread? This is been like doing a deer drive. Chase all of the targets into one area.

I feel bad for you. I feel like Trump debating Biden. Your family shouldn't allow this humiliation, and should just take you back to your basement.

How about a first hand account of one of many kids who contracted the flu in 1918? Read Rascal, by Sterling North. It is autobiographical. It is a kids book, so not above your reading Lexile. North was kid in Wisconsin, bedridden and stricken with the flu. He got a pet raccoon. Story is about the adventures of the kid and the racoon as he recovered. It received a Newbery Honor in 1964, a Sequoyah Book Award in 1966, and a Young Reader's Choice Award in 1966.

Shouldn't be too much for even you.

Hatari ur a commie dipsheit

President Trump publicly blamed the World Health Organization for being slow to sound alarm bells about the Covid 19, the exact same thing he did, he down played he underplayed, he waved a white flag and walked away from the problem like a coward. He has cried WOLF too many times and 190,000 familes will remind him at the Ballot box

"On March 3, 2020, the World Health Organization cited official Chinese data to downplay the very serious risk of asymptomatic spread, telling the world that 'COVID- 19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza,' " Trump May 18 letter !!

Oh my hell you are fugking stupid!!! I hope you don’t or didn’t breed. The world has enough stupid people already. Dumbass

President Trump stood up the White House Coronavirus Task Force on or about 29 Jenuary 2020.

That would have been an obvious indicator that he took CV-19 as a serious situation, to anybody who was awake in class.

Attention! Press release

AP- “Pot Calls Kettle Black!”

Infamous troll Ginther aka rginther aka robjordan accuses Noted conservative analyst of being a Marxist. When asked, Hatari laughed and replied “Guess it takes one to know one.”

When asked for clarification , Ginther told the Associated Press “I’ll check with the Democratic Underground and get back with you”

interesting,

somebody who works for Home Depot does a post on HEPA filters, (which work for Covid and can be purchased from HD) and they are an expert on pharmaceutical and medical laminar air systems.

which are controlled by state licensing agencies, each of which has different air flow rates and filter requirements for every medical user,

and each user must keep logs showing replacement and hrs. of use. which is audited by inspectors.

and are different for sterile preps. vs. oncological preps. vs compounding


And then a disagreement as to the mechanism face masks perform their function, when the only real question is if they work at all. (don't confuse persons per sq. foot densities with mask effectiveness)

and then a diversion into aerosols, from someone who doesn't know the differences in physics between colloids and aerosols if they were smacked in the head with a lugey

person walks into hospital with 3 stents, 100 lbs overweight Covid positive dies and someone things its caused by Covid (they don't know or care about the difference between causality and correlation)

and if you haven't heard the CDC has quietly removed the 10 day quarantine .

All right I’m a believer now. TDS is a mental disorder. I thought these guys were just stupid. I have a old cemetery about 3 miles from where I live. If your smart enough to read the tombstones and can subtract even a Democrat can see all the young kids that died from the Spanish flu. Gunther you are an idiot. Ed k

Cunther does not know the difference between a mirror and a protrait.

TDS is a very serious affliction, it removes all common sense and reasoning ability from it's victim.

I always thought lack of common sense was a precursor or risk factor for TDS, but that's just a cart-and-horse argument we don't need to have.

........That is an absolute LIE! Gint-TITS!,,,The WHO is corrupt and controlled by China. The WHO along with China you LIAR, conspired with China to help not only to COVER-UP the virus but deliberately LIE on behalf of China.....You ARE A DAMNED LIAR.

Trump is not responsible for ANY the covid19 deaths MORON.

So what! Trump is all that stands between us and the evil progressive fascists ie Dems. It’s easy for the progressive fascists to complain about Trump, but never forget that Biden rejected stopping Chinese from entering the USA.

I checked I was off a little one child died to 3 adults worst case I could find.. Others said the no. of Children dieing was less. My original

point was that the healthist people in there 20,s were the most likely to die, that was correct. Women more so than men.

I think you continue to misread, you must mean folks BORN in the 20's are the most likely to die.

The median age of those who die is 78!

Yea, if you look at the CDC data, there are age groups. I believe 55-64 is one, and the next few groups above this the death rate increases fast. Groups below 55 seem to have a pretty good survival rate.

25–34 years 1,360 41,370
35–44 years 3,542 58,523
45–54 years 9,324 107,903
55–64 years 22,254 247,264

First column is death from Wuhan Flu, second is ALL deaths

The link I copied this from only allows this data, the groups above these grow a lot faster, per group.

No where near the 600,000 “they” predicted. And it’s less deadly than the flu in young people. What he was being presented with, represented partial and evolving knowledge. No way would you want a president to just start blabbing the worst “gloom and doom“ scenarios. Once again the lefties and msm spazzing over parsing every little word the president speaks. It literally sounds like elementary school brats arguing with a teacher, saying, “but you SAID!!!!”, while making juvenile arguments to get their way. Don’t be too disappointed when this too, falls flat and Trump gets re-elected.

Don’t forget the armchair quarterback and keyboard commando that passive-aggressively pontificates about accepted vernacular on a gun forum.

There is a huge misunderstanding regarding why masks work in reducing the spreading of Covid 19, the benefit is only gotten when the Covid carrier wears it !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTFVpFF3dYU

2 hair stylist with Covid 19 wore face coverings and didnt spread Covid to thier customers. This stuff is real simple

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm

You checked? With whom, Karen on Facebook again? How about we do quick look at the CDC site


The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. .....................
Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm#:~:text=The%201918%20influenza%20pandemic%20was%20the%20most%20severe,first%20identified%20in%20military%20personnel%20in%20spring%201918.

Remember when I told that there was likely another flu epidemic at the end of the 19th Century to explain this?

1889–90 flu pandemic. Dubbed the "Russian pandemic". Attack rates are reported in 408 geographic entities from 14 European countries and in the United States. Rapidly spreading, the pandemic would take only 4 months to circumnavigate the planet, reaching the United States 70 days after the original outbreak in Saint Petersburg.[35] Taubenberger, J.K.; Morens, D.M. (2009). "Pandemic influenza – including a risk assessment of H5N1". Rev Sci Tech. 28 (1): 187–202. doi:10.20506/rst.28.1.1879. PMC 2720801. PMID 19618626.

The first case on American soil was reported on 18 December 1889.[9] It then quickly spread throughout the East Coast and all the way to Chicago and Kansas in days.[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_flu_pandemic

Nobody denies that the 1918 Spanish flu hit the 20-40 hard. You just don't understand and/or refuse to acknowledge other factors theat are involved in the transmission and progress of disease.

Why would 20-30 year olds get hit hard by the disease? Gee, what is the age of combat soldiers? Hmm 18-30. Do they live in crowded conditions? "Gee, I dunno" you say. Do you think army barracks, transport ships and nasty trenches qualify? How do conditions like incredible physical exhaustion, poor nutrition, maximum mental stress contribute to the stats?
"Gee, I dunno. I don't wanna talk about those things. I just wanna troll."

What about the fact that people alive during the 1889 pandemic of Russian flu had a better survival rate than those who were not alive then?
Can you draw any conclusions from that? You see, I was able to deduce that there must have been some flu outbreak during that timeframe when I wrote my first response to you. That makes immunological sense. Afterwords, I looked for the evidence, and there it is. I don't expect you to understand, but I feel bad that you are such a Dunning-Kruger.



Even a dude who loads trucks for a living should be able to understand that living in a trench or an army base or crowded onto a a transport ship for 3 weeks is conducive to spreading disease. (I might add that army ife in 1918 was not the same as what you may have experienced in afghanistan, btw). Even a non medical person (you) should understand that life during war (make that early 20th century trench war) is hard on a healthy body and devastating on a diseased person. So why did it hit those in their 20s so hard? Statistically, there were millions of soldiers this age spreading it around, living in filth, sleeping in the open, living in rain, cold, crowded conditions with poor nutition and maximum physical and mental stress. Those conditions are ideal to kill people. That will skue the stats from a peacetime outbreak.

Then go back to what I wrote a few pages ago. The over 30 crowd was around for the 1889 Russia Flu. While we can't prove it, it is speculated that people alive during that period may have developed an immune response that helped them in 1918. Can you grasp all that now?

If not, I'll use your own words against you

Not in the Spanish Flu in 1918/1919 the largest number of deaths by three times was those from 20 years old to 40 years old. The 78 numbers id from

COVID-19.

how in the hell did this stupid thread get to 33 pages?

no one has anything else to argue about this week?

Guess most of you guys haven't had to worry about Antifa trying to burn down your state this week, like we have had to deal with in Oregon this week...here the argument is these fires are being started by Antifa.... vs NO they haven't been... its all about Global Warming!!!

wonder what the Argument D'Jour will be next week?

But you do not want a president giving false information to the public, like Trump did he said

It would be gone in 2 weeks, did not believe in wearing masks. He should have made masks

required. we might have only had 45,000 deaths instead of 192,000. He keep saying children did

not get it when he knew they did. You can moderate the doom and gloom a bit but you can not

tell complete lies to the US population which is what he did.

Antifa setting fires is a complete lie put out by Q anon. No one has been arrested.

COVID19 has a mortality rate that is 20% that of the common flu. Less than 10,000 have died in the US as a result of COVID19 only. The other deaths labelled as COVID19 have one or more comorbidity conditions such as COPD, pneumonia, heart disease, renal disease...etc, etc, etc, etc. President Trump adopted the absolute correct response to this dimrat engineered SCAMdemic.

Take your BS to Ignorastan you dimrat shill.

I'm only seeing 17

It is most likely not Antifa, but I wouldn't put it past them. Of course they might have to get out of phone range which would greatly curb their will. But, you say no one has been arrested in Antifa, until the feds got involved few were getting arrested for rioting and trying to kill police and if they were Biden's staffers would bail them out.

FORESTGUMPTRUCK50 probably doesn't realize that Trump closed down travel to China in January. That after The Who and CDC said there was no danger to the public from this Virus.

He's defeated. He's changing his argument now. It started with me with his assertion that viruses are not opportunistic organisms attacking the weak targets first. He cited that the 20 - 30 crowd had more deaths in 1918-19 as his proof. Once other factors were presented, all he's got to say is that group died at a higher rate, so he's right. Now he's moving on to ANTIFA or whatever just to stir the pot.

He reminds of the new Paddler (not the supposed Dr. Middleton) who wanted to argue bacteria and antibiotics with me. Before every rebuttal, he had to pause and Google, or quote some "friend"
of his. That's how I became sure that this current version of Paddler is no MD. Can't converse on a MD level. Gunphouc is non medico of any sort. Just a garden variety Dem troll. The only reason I engaged him at all is counter the spread of his stupid assertions.

Jeezus, your nose must be a foot long by now. Q anon did't set this fire, one of your anarchist buddies did.

A long criminal record !!

So a Trump supporter Hatari, LMFAO you are the gift that keeps on giving....

Ginther,

Do you think those dick shaped nipples that your two dad’s used to feed you, may have influenced your sexuality?

Or were you just born a regular ol’ f a g g o t?

LOL

DickTuck50 thinks the Bologna virus is on par with the Spanish Flu.

LOL

Can’t make this schit up.

Anyone who believes even 50% what Trump says along with any other politician of any persuasion, is barking f***ing mad.

Trump was right to downplay the virus to prevent panic. Unfortunately the mainstream media is determined to panic the whole country and ruin the economy in the process. The Dems love the control by big brother enforcing marshal law on all of us. Man they're just getting off on it.

I hope that people come to the realization that corona virus is deadly for only a small percentage of the population. Most of the population will get sick and experience mild symptoms, then recover.

194,000+ people have died in the U.S. Of those deaths, 180,000+/- had pre-existing conditions that contributed to their death. Pre-existing conditions include things like asthma, emphysema, COPD, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

About 10,000 people over the age of 70, without pre-existing conditions, have died.

Millions of people have contracted the China flu and suffered only minor symptoms, then recovered. These are not even being counted because they didn't go to the hospital.

Only a handful of people, not in a high risk category have died.

So if you're in a high risk category; stay home, avoid gatherings of people, practice good hygiene, wear a mask, avoid anyone with symptoms, maybe for several more months.

If you're not in a high risk category, then you can go about your daily activities as you normally would. If you start to exhibit symptoms, then stay home for a couple of weeks and go to the hospital if your temp spikes at over 104°F or if you have trouble breathing.

I'm 72 years old. I'm sick and tired of big brother telling me that I have to stay at home, wear a mask, avoid groups of people, avoid restaurants and church. I'm not going to live my life in fear and cower under some rock. A life like that isn't worth living.

I heard some Dem AZZ say that Joe Biden handled the Ebola outbreak beautifully. LMFAO

Best Part is their zombies believe this.

Every time I have to put a mask on I get more pissed off at the dimrats. We are wearing masks for the equivalent of the common cold.

The thing is people with preexisting conditions would never have gone to the hospital if they could

breath. They came to the hospital with there heart condition or diabetes or whatever, but what really made them go

was not being able to breath from COVID-19. It was the COVID-19 that either kill or they survived, COVID-19 was the root cause

of death. IF they did not have COVID-19 they either would not have gone to the hospital with there preexisting condition or they

would have gotten there preexisting condition taken care of or they died from it. But if they had COVID-19 and they died that was what

pushed them over the edge and was the root cause of death.

Any rebuttal against this scramble will be futile.

So let me get this straight. Lefties think Trump manipulated this virus personally and had his operatives release this on Wuhan and paid the Chicoms not to act until it spread to every county in the world. No one else is to blame. All other countries that allowed the virus in are without fault. Only Trump is bad. Bad, bad, bad!😡

I go back to my post on the 1889 Russian flu. First case in this country was in NYC. 4 days later it was found in Kansas City. Before air travel.

So should President Harrison have been blamed for his lack of response?

Tsar of Russia warned him!!!!

So, when the "experts" said covid would kill 22 million people in America, Trump downplayed it. Correctly so, as 21.8 million fewer people died than what the "experts said.

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So, those who came in to the ER as a result of a car wreck, subsequently tested positive for COVID, then died, and the cause of death was listed as COVID, would not have come to the hospital if not for COVID? How about the people who come to the doctor's office for a problem, not knowing they have COVID. They are tested and test positive for COVID so a new case is reported. They leave, come back 3 days later for a new issue and are again tested for COVID even though they are asymptomatic they again test positive, and, the doctors office reports a new case of COVID. So, the same person, tests positive for COVID in a span of three days and accounts for two new cases of COVID. Face it, the medical community has grossly over reported the cases of COVID and the deaths that result from only COVID.

COVID, from the start, has been weaponized in yet another stupid attempt by the radical left to overthrow the 2016 Presidential Election.

First things first, Governor just announced that no Antifa has been arrested for setting fires. Totally false story.

We should have followed Taiwans example on how to fight the COVID-19. First they did very aggressive contact tracing.

If you tested positive you were quarantined for 14 days. But they also gave you a phone that showed the government

your location. If you were where you were not supposed to be or failed to answer the phone they came and arrested you.

Everyone was required to wear a mask outdoors. No businesses were closed and no schools were closed.

Taiwan has a population of 23 million. They had less than 10 deaths. Bottom line Masks and contact tracing are the key,

Trump was briefed on Jan 23 and 28 about the looming crisis. And was told it was a deadly serious matter!!
He closed down air travel on Jan 31 to China and Europe.

Then he told a writer, on Feb 7 on phone, while being recorded, that he knew this was a deadly, airborne disease, which was believed to be at least 5 times more deadly then the most strenuous flu the US experiences each year.

Trump has said publicly several times that the flu kills 25-65.000 Americans each year.
So, he privately believed it could kill 75 - 325.000 Americans.. and most likely much much more in early January!!!

He downplayed it for nearly 6 weeks to the public, calling it a hoax on numerous occasions in fully packed rallies, a Democrat plot, that people should just look at it as a common flu, dont take any serious precautions etc etc etc...


It wasn't until March 16, he called for tougher measures.. which led to the entire US economy grinding to a halt as a result!
And tens and tens of thousands of Americans dead as a result.
And still ALOT his supporters dont even belive its a serious virus.. they are still calling it a hoax. Even on this forum!

Had he just kept to his guns that this is an serious matter and ALL Americans should take some precautions, in February when he told the writer, there wouldn't be Trump supporters still calling this a hoax and claiming only 9000 have died from it.


Other Asian countries that went straight to tough measures only resulted in minuscule deaths compared to US numbers.
And they never shut down their economy...

I can only imagine what they would do during a nuclear fallout.

First things first. Taiwan isn't a free country, and they do not release accurate information.

Fu-ck Taiwan. Go live there if it's such a good example.

Please tell me you never had children.

Trump didn't downplay the COVID-19 pandemic to avoid panic. If you believe that BS you must have an IQ of around 10. He obviously did it to try and protect the economy which after all is way more important than peoples lives, right? Especially, if you're a Wall Street hero and have plenty of spondoolies invested and by plenty I mean hundreds of $millions and up.

It's supposed to be a democracy, although pretty left leaning - kind of like California.

I knew GunTruck50 was a halfwit immediately when I saw the first post of his I ever read.

Let me assist you in your formatting. Wouldn't want Northman to think you've joined his side....

I have a challenge for Northman, Gunphouc, Ginter (That includes rginther and RobertJordanFunk) and all the Lefties.

I will concede defeat IF you can tell us what your plan (or the Dem plan) was to STOP the transmission of the virus starting February 1.

Not slow the spread, not flatten the curve, but STOP the spread. Just like New Zealand did.

Any thing other than STOP the spread is irrelevant. Slowing the spread takes what is normally an 18 month event and makes it 36-48 month event in the absence of an effective vaccine that you can get to the public en masse.

Tell me how you could have STOPPED the spread cold and saved everybody. If your answer makes medical and scientific sense, I will not only concede your point but grateful to learn something new.

Now, no BS or pseudo science. Not SLOW the spread. How would you have STOPPED it?

Anything short of that, you are playing Monday Morning Quarterback. Flattening the curve is just spreading out the same number of cases over a longer time period. The virus is out there. It is looking for YOU! Tell me how you absolutely stop it.

Too much evidence that masks don't stop it. Can't stay at home forever.

Your challenge, boys. Are you up to it?

It can not be stopped, right now. There is no easy answer. Best we can do right now is follow Dr. Fauci advice.

Wear a mask, stay 6 feet away from people. Get tested if you feel sick. Contact Tracing is very important. Taiwan

and Germany were able to cut there deaths with it. Good masks do work, get a KN95 mask.

That is the only thing you got right puddin'head, the rest of it is bs.

You are so gullible and so dumb!!! Please don’t breed.

North Korea is reporting zero deaths. You should move there I have a feeling you’ll love it

This is the first thing you've posted on this I agree with. See, we can agree on logic. Once the virus got out of Wuhan, we were screwed.

It cannot be stopped now, and there is is no easy answer.

All the measures put forward now are simply to slow the rate of transmission. The next challenge to answer will be "is that the best answer for every country?

Taiwan is an island. Easy to isolate and tiny compared to the US. German is the size of Oregon and Arkansas put together. Smaller area to control. No porous southern border with all of Latin America. Germany's neighbors are far more sophisticated and have far better healthcare and they don't have people swimming the river to get in. (Once Merkel slowed down the Muslim invasion). Taiwan and Germany are not accurate models for the US because of these factors. Not that we can't share and learn with them, you just can't point and say "They have the answer for us."

So you and I can agree that this cannot be stopped, only slowed. We can debate whether in the long run it is better to let it go its natural course or to cover up. We don't know that answer. We won't know that answer until everything is factored in and the studies come up 5 years from now. Was Sweden just as effective? We will find out.

My thing for you and all the others on here that hate Trump and want him out is I want you to read what you wrote again.



That was what Trump was faced with last January. You can believe he got plenty of advice from MANY experts. Epidemiologists, disease experts, as well as economists and politicians. The bottom line is, once it was out of Wuhan, it was not going to be stopped. People were going to get it. Trump didn't put COVID patients into nursing homes, Andrew Cuomo did. Pretty much every country saw a devastating effect on the elderly in the early months. Hey! Why didn't Europe shut down first? Why didn't they prevent it from coming here?

See, you can play Monday Morning Quarterback all you want. You can use your hindsight and say "Trump should have done this or that." We are dealing with an unknown. The world did not shut down during the 2009-10 H1N1 pandemic, but wasn't that the same strain that killed 50 million in 1918-1919? Didn't Obama know how dangerous that virus is? Why didn't he have us all wearing masks? Early on was he sure that this version wasn't even more deadly? Why isn't what Obama did good enough for Trump? Early on, everything was conjecture, just like 2009. When things proved to be more serious, Trump shut things down. Now we all wear masks. All you can bitch about is that it didn't happen fast enough. Hey, this is America buddy, if you needed a mask, you coulda worn one. oh, wait, there was this CRITICAL SHORTAGE of N95 masks! Did you forget about the shortage of PPE? I didn't. Caused me to shut down my practice for 5 weeks while my supplies were diverted to hospitals. Remember Trump ramping up ventilator manufacturing and had 3M start pumping out masks? I do. How about some love for that?

If you don't like Trump, then find something substantive to beat him on, not Monday Morning Qb stuff. Biden says he'll expand testing at the same time the CDC is telling people that are asymptomatic NOT to get tested because it is unnecessary.
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I don't care if you like Trump or not. This is America, you get a vote, so use it. I object to nonsense. "Trump should've done this or that" is nonsense. There are no measures that would have substantially changed the ultimate universal spread of COVID 19 to every county in the US. The only argument left is whether it is better to slow the rate of transmission down and pray that a vaccine will spare a big number but also making this a 24-36 month ordeal or is it better to let it burn itself out like the last three pandemics? Healthcare is ready to treat and handle patients. The number of cases is rising, but the mortality rate is declining. These aren't the same conditions we had in March-April. Healthcare has caught up. We have better treatments.

See, if you come with a straight answer and not BS, I can be reasonable and we can have a discussion. Play the Democrat Talking Point game, and it's open season.

Interesting unproven theory about viral loads and the severity of illness from Covid-19.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ng-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/

Hey man this works. I shot a load into the wife through a sock and she only got a little pregnant. Proof positive. Edk

I wish all the believers would kill themselves.

That would really help stop the spread.

I dont have definite answer... But there was/is no way to stop the Covid spreading once it first hit US shores, it was destined to spread.
Trump though had the full force of the US Government behind him to put in nearly any measures needed. With the knowledge of hundreds of epidemiologists and scientists advising his government.

Considering most other developed countries has a MUCH higher population density then most US states, those other countries did a hell of a lot better job to get things under control, when citizens where told the truth.


Right wing republicans have enough problems trusting a government... and when Trump goes around pubblicly telling his most devoted followers for months that this is a flat out hoax, it really does not help anybody!!!


Especially not when he privatly talked about how deadly he knew Covid would be.


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NorthGal,

Be sure and remind us after November.

It might help plug your flow.

LOL

OK, even you and I can agree on this.

The rest is Monday Morning QB stuff. "Maybe/if we had run more on first down we could have scored more".

You say yourself that " there was/is no way to stop the Covid spreading once it first hit US shores, it was destined to spread."

Just because you hate Trump, don't ignore that ChiComs let it out, and from there it was all catch up.

Hat,
The ChiComs not only let it out, they knowingly sent it out into the world while restricting domestic travel.
Something the left has conveniently forgotten.

But hey Northman, Ginther, GunTruck etc, etc, etc have decided to place blame on Trump.

It's that forest for trees and lack of vision deal with them.
Everything ALL the time is on Trump.

Unfortunately he does..And uses dope freely around them. Just look up JeffO which is his original handle here and you will see a long littany of stupidity like no other.

Apparently you forget that the CCP/Wuhan Virology Laboratory is the origin of COVID 19. What did China do to stop the spread worldwide, how about nothing. Virologists, Epidemiologists and Pathologist have had to medically reverse engineer an understanding of the virus and use probabilities of treatment and at the same time create from whole cloth a vaccine to combat it. It could have been a much different outcome if China would have opened the books early on on the virus as requested by the USA (Trump). Having the ability to look at the Lab data and medical science would have been beneficial beyond belief in the ability to fight the virus. Your condemnation should be directed at the CCP, in fact the world’s condemnation should be directed there as well. Also complicit in the virus coverup is the WHO. Just read all the news coming out of Taiwan in Nov 2019. Trump does travel ban, Trump does daily briefings on mitigation as best anyone can with no real understanding of what we’re up against, Trump initiates DoD materials priority for mask production, medicine production, ventilator production; Trump has Army Corps of Engineers retrofit vacant buildings as make shift hospitals and portable medical facilities, Trump sends naval hospital ships, Trump initiates operation Warp Speed for vaccine generation and production with entire support system to initiate vaccine (distribution, syringes, etc). Lastly I’ll add that Trump’s biggest obstacles were his predecessors who farmed out all of these critical PPE elements and pharmaceuticals to where? That be China. Your assessment of Trump and his task force is foolish and without merit. Try to be objective, for if you were you would turn your anger and criticism on where it belongs, the CCP.

Sometimes I wonder about Trump. why in Gods name did he talk to this jerk. He should have known it wouldn't end well!

But why can't anybody accept that Trump spent months telling his hardcore fanbase (and the American people) that its a hoax and not any worse then the flu... when he knew he was wrong?

People even on this forum, dont even belive its real NOW, even after recordings of Trump on Feb 7 told a writer that "this is deadly stuff".. "at least 5 times more deadly then the most strenuous flu".
While people in his subsequent rallies and twitter feed got the message that this is just a hoax.


He was misleading the American people... while tens of thousands of Americans died.

If he wasn't missleaidng the American people, then his followers should RIGHT NOW take this as serious as President Trump said it was, in private and on record to a writer.


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What is wrong with what Trump did was lie to the American people for months knowing COVID-19 was going to

be much worse than he was saying. Plus he never came out with a national plan to combat the virus, he continuely

put it off on the governors. The Governors could not implement a national plan. He never used the Defense Production

Act to the fullest extent possible. He lie and said children were almost immune to COVID-19. He said testing for the virus

and contact tracing were a waste of time. He also came out with all these unproven cures that wasted time.