she was closer than it looked, should have thrown rocks earlier, but bending down to pick one up. She was a smart mama- I'm going to run you off and act tough bu ti really dont want none.
LOL, "I'm big and scary." But apparently not smart enough to put the F*cking phone down and pick up a rock.
My thoughts also that cat would have been introduced to several rocks very quickly. Cheers NC Always carry your gun while in the woods, there are big scary things out there!!
Cat would be dead if she came at me for more than 25 yards. I would probably allow her that because of her maternal instincts toward the young. But then, I ain’t a scared schitless trail running millennial, either. Big and scary he ain’t. That cat could smell the fear coming off him. Had she jumped him, he would have simply screamed in panic while she did her work.
That wasn't a big mountain lion, and they aren't hard to kill. Even a 38 Special would have been adequate. I picked up a Taurus 856 with a 3" barrel recently and that would have been very handy.
She could smell the fear in him. I would have gone about 100 feet, to get away from the kitten, and stopped, and growled and started throwing big rocks at her.
That wasn't a big mountain lion, and they aren't hard to kill. Even a 38 Special would have been adequate. I picked up a Taurus 856 with a 3" barrel recently and that would have been very handy.
What would the possum cops have said about the cat properly "processed" for being that aggressive..?
Would the jogger be in more trouble than the cat, or the other way around.?
That wasn't a big mountain lion, and they aren't hard to kill. Even a 38 Special would have been adequate. I picked up a Taurus 856 with a 3" barrel recently and that would have been very handy.
What would the possum cops have said about the cat properly "processed" for being that aggressive..?
Would the jogger be in more trouble than the cat, or the other way around.?
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I believe that would vary from state to state. Most of adult life was in Alaska and there you are totally capable of defending your life and property (DLP) against an animal. They will investigate but for the most part unless you do something stupid you are probably going to get off. I remember one guy got in trouble shooting a bear from the deck of the 2nd floor of his house. How could he have been in fear for his life up there?
In the black bear reintroduction program here in Louisiana, some claim you'd better have some teeth marks to show when you cap one of those in self defense. The fines, reportedly are really stiff.
They're a nusiance at the deer camp, tearing up stuff. One hunter was in a tree stand with a bear at the foot of his ladder. He wasn't sure what to do.... Bear finally moved on and this guy came down the ladder gingerly, hot footed it to his ride, made a quick trip to the camp....
At dim light, it's sometimes hard to differentiate a bear from a hog. Gotta be sure before you pull the trigger....
LOL, "I'm big and scary." But apparently not smart enough to put the F*cking phone down and pick up a rock.
..... My first thought was about the rocks which were all over the place ready to throw. But then, I know nothing about mountain lion encounters. Would throwing rocks make the situation worse? I've carried a 4.5" Blackhawk .357 with 180 gr. hard cast handloads in an area with black bears before but never needed it. It's like the old fire extinguisher analogy; It's good to have around even when it's not needed. Also considered an insurance policy.
I would think ya gotta bend down to pick up a rock, maybe not smart when bluffing a lion. I've seen even skinny feral cats turn into tigers when defending her kittens, nothing I'd wanna mess with.
How many of us have actually seen even one mt lion in the wild, much less had one RIGHT THERE, righteously PO'd?
In as much as the guy walked away without a scratch, I'd say he did just fine.
I would think ya gotta bend down to pick up a rock, maybe not smart when bluffing a lion. I've seen even skinny feral cats turn into tigers when defending her kittens, nothing I'd wanna mess with.
How many of us have actually seen even one mt lion in the wild, much less had one RIGHT THERE, righteously PO'd?
In as much as the guy walked away without a scratch, I'd say he did just fine.
Bet he brings a gun next time tho.
I CALLED IN A COUGAR I SEEN CHASIN A DEER IN THE MOUNTAINS,THIS CAT PUT THE SNEAK ON ME AND I SHOT IT WITH A BOW THE ARROW HAD A ZWICKEY BROADHEAD ON ARROW, WENT THRU CAT IN FRONT CHEST WENT OUT RIGHT BUTT CHEEK ,RAN AWAY AND DIED 75 YARDS AWAY. I HAVE SEEN A FEW CATS, I FEEL WOLVES ARE A LOT SMARTER. AS I POSTED I ALWAYS CARRY ,THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IS IN A BIG CITY NOW DAYS .
There have been a couple lions killed in Missouri supposedly in self defense, kinda questionable when you hear the actual details of the situations, and to date nobody has been prosecuted for such a shooting.
Momma kitty sure didn't want him around her kittens. I would have bet she would have given up and retreated back to her kittens within 50 to a hundred yards of following the guy.
Right. Because what he was doing was working so well. How long does it take to pick up a rock, 0.2 seconds, or 0,1?
I thought it worked pretty well, the guy didn’t get a scratch.
Google says merely blinking an eye takes 0.3 to 0.4 seconds. Dunno how long it would take to stoop to pick up a rock, stand back up and accurately throw it.
How long would it have taken the mt lion to take maybe one bound and leap on the guy?
Are charging mt lions deterred by rock impacts? They must get kicked and banged around quite a lot when taking down prey. I would guess they must be pretty good at dodging such impacts while inbound.
Dude crapped his pants at the 2:50 mark, whaddya wanna bet.
Judging by the dialogue, I'd bet he has a man bun and drives a Subaru. Got a hunch what kind of bumper stickers he's sporting too.
I do a bit of solo hiking / backpacking and this is a damn good reason why I wear a chest rig. Sidearm won't get caught up in pack straps if it needs to be deployed quick.
'Course I have more reason to wear one around here because of the two-legged mall-ninja types in the woods...
I’m not sure I would of bent down for a rock either. That cat was close. He kept space as well as he could with out running or turning his back.
Bears don’t make me too nervous but cats are another matter. Sneaky killing SOB’s. If that kid hasn’t begged, borrowed or stole a sidearm by the time he hits that trail again, I’d be surprised. Lol.
Pretty intense situation no doubt. In an interview with the news he stated every time he broke eye contact or shifted toward picking up a rock is when the lion would lunge at him or charge.
I’m not sure I would of bent down for a rock either. That cat was close. He kept space as well as he could with out running or turning his back.
Bears don’t make me too nervous but cats are another matter. Sneaky killing SOB’s. If that kid hasn’t begged, borrowed or stole a sidearm by the time he hits that trail again, I’d be surprised. Lol.
Thought I heard him say at one point "Where's my gun" or "wish I had my gun".
Any bets whether he gets something to carry it in if it's a pistol, or if his gun is a longarm, any bets he goes out and picks up a heater?
I've seen quite a few over the years, but never saw behavior like that. Normally they want not be seen or heard and move out quickly.
Once she backed him a decent distance from her kittens she eased up, but stayed on him because he was retreating and showing no threat. And, as some here said, she could sense/small his fear. She bluff charged him more than once and got no counter punch, so she stayed on it but apparently had zero intent to fully engage him - because she could have done so at any point, and did not. I assume he made a "new move" by picking up a rock - that surprised her - not part of the scheme - and she was gone quick.
This guy (Kyle) is the nephew of a college friend of mine. He's no liberal snowflake. On this day, he was not hiking, he was trail running. He came upon 4 lion cubs in the trail and thought they were bobcat kittens. He got out his camera and that's when mama showed up and he knew he was in big trouble. He is a gun owner. He said every time he tried to reach down to grab a rock or stick is when the lion charged, so he had to keep retreating, keeping himself as big as possible. He had a water bottle in one hand and his phone in the other. He was actually retreating uphill the entire time, away from the trailhead. He had to go back through the area after waiting 1/2 hour or so. He did well. Didn't get attacked. He did a lot of things right.
THE BIGGEST THING HE DID WRONG WAS HE HAD NO HANDGUN ,very foolish.
When people get away with stuff enough times, to them it becomes the norm. "Would never happen to me." Not smart but pretty common. I'll bet there's plenty here that think the same way at times.
Saw an interview with him on tv this am. He finally had the moment to pick up a rock (when the queen didn’t charge when he squatted down), threw it, and the cat ran off. FWIW.
Good to know. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I remember two women hiking on a trail in California and one was throwing stuff at the mountain lion who had her partner and was trying to pull her away from the cat. Didn't go well.
Just thinking what I'd pack out and about in that kinda country. What came to mind is my FA .357, already set up for heavies with taller front sight. It does very well with 170 Gold Dots and 180 XTP's. Similar cast bullets would work. It's light enough for easy carry, yet serious enough for serious work.
Big ole cat that close would have been slam dunk kitty with one of those heavy slugs. Now, this gun would need a holster, isn't a pocket pistol. So, not sure what some left leaning state laws would permit. That would have to be checked out. Wouldn't be a problem here in Louisiana, besides I'm a CCW. However, our kitties aren't that big, lesser ordinance would probably be OK.
I guess if I was a jogger, a fanny pack would be Kosher, probably more P.C. than a holster... Never had a fanny pack, have no desire for one. Ya just don't see them out in the woods around here....
At the very least, I’ve always got a Ruger LCP in .380 or .22 LR in my pocket. Either would work on a mountain lion. Lots of them killed with a 22 mag by those hunting them with dogs.
But in that area, I’d probably been carrying either my Glock 20 10mm, or Glock 32 in .357 Sig.
Kitty might have got a couple of warning shots before I shot her. Since she as a mom with kittens.
Its been a while, but when you're running I recall everything attached to you bounces around, gonna get bathed in sweat too. A fanny pack might work, I'd want one of those Scandium Airlite J-frames or something equally light inside it tho.
It might be better/easier if you could run with the firearm in your hand, inside a case or bag if preferable.
Its been a while, but when you're running I recall everything attached to you bounces around, gonna get bathed in sweat too. A fanny pack might work, I'd want one of those Scandium Airlite J-frames or something equally light inside it tho.
It might be better/easier if you could run with the firearm in your hand, inside a case or bag if preferable.
Mike, check out the Ruger LCP II in .22 LR. Smaller, lighter, 10 + 1 rounds of CCI Stingers, and much cheaper than a Scandium J Frame S&W. I know it’s not a .38 special, but it beats the heck out of a stick or rock. 🤠
I remember then Gov Rick Perry taking out a coyote with one in .380 while jogging in Austin Year’s ago. The .380 version loaded with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast Outdoorsman loads is a pretty good pocket carry option too. Mine feeds and shoots them well.
Definitely should've had pepper spray or/and a gun but, considering he didn't, he stayed alot more calm and focused that most probably would've in the same situation. The video was certainly cool but not picking up a big rock with both hands could've easily been a fatal mistake. Glad he's ok and that video's now a lesson for a lot of other folks that need to see it as well......
Just thinking what I'd pack out and about in that kinda country. What came to mind is my FA .357, already set up for heavies with taller front sight. It does very well with 170 Gold Dots and 180 XTP's. Similar cast bullets would work. It's light enough for easy carry, yet serious enough for serious work.
Big ole cat that close would have been slam dunk kitty with one of those heavy slugs. Now, this gun would need a holster, isn't a pocket pistol. So, not sure what some left leaning state laws would permit. That would have to be checked out. Wouldn't be a problem here in Louisiana, besides I'm a CCW. However, our kitties aren't that big, lesser ordinance would probably be OK.
I guess if I was a jogger, a fanny pack would be Kosher, probably more P.C. than a holster... Never had a fanny pack, have no desire for one. Ya just don't see them out in the woods around here....
I agree that a gun would’ve/could’ve provided a lot more comfort than the video camera. I like my 3” Model 60 with 180gr hard cast, but I would have welcomed anything from a NA derringer to a .500 S&W. My little glock .380 with Buffalo Bore stuff is a good combination of power and portability....plus I don’t think I can damage it.
Its been a while, but when you're running I recall everything attached to you bounces around, gonna get bathed in sweat too. A fanny pack might work, I'd want one of those Scandium Airlite J-frames or something equally light inside it tho.
It might be better/easier if you could run with the firearm in your hand, inside a case or bag if preferable.
Mike, check out the Ruger LCP II in .22 LR. Smaller, lighter, 10 + 1 rounds of CCI Stingers, and much cheaper than a Scandium J Frame S&W. I know it’s not a .38 special, but it beats the heck out of a stick or rock. 🤠
I remember then Gov Rick Perry taking out a coyote with one in .380 while jogging in Austin Year’s ago. The .380 version loaded with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast Outdoorsman loads is a pretty good pocket carry option too. Mine feeds and shoots them well.
Good point Gov. Perry was out running at the time. IIRC the laser sight was useful too. I'll bet them "Coyote Special" version of the LCP Ruger subsequently released are quite a collector's item now
Hard to believe that was 2010 already, ten years ago.
Its been a while, but when you're running I recall everything attached to you bounces around, gonna get bathed in sweat too. A fanny pack might work, I'd want one of those Scandium Airlite J-frames or something equally light inside it tho.
It might be better/easier if you could run with the firearm in your hand, inside a case or bag if preferable.
Mike, check out the Ruger LCP II in .22 LR. Smaller, lighter, 10 + 1 rounds of CCI Stingers, and much cheaper than a Scandium J Frame S&W. I know it’s not a .38 special, but it beats the heck out of a stick or rock. 🤠
I remember then Gov Rick Perry taking out a coyote with one in .380 while jogging in Austin Year’s ago. The .380 version loaded with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast Outdoorsman loads is a pretty good pocket carry option too. Mine feeds and shoots them well.
Good point Gov. Perry was out running at the time. IIRC the laser sight was useful too. I'll bet them "Coyote Special" version of the LCP Ruger subsequently released are quite a collector's item now
Hard to believe that was 2010 already, ten years ago.
A friend bought his Mom one of the Coyote Special Rick Perry commemoratives. She got ole Rick to autograph the box for her. 🤠
At the very least, I’ve always got a Ruger LCP in .380 or .22 LR in my pocket. Either would work on a mountain lion. Lots of them killed with a 22 mag by those hunting them with dogs.
But in that area, I’d probably been carrying either my Glock 20 10mm, or Glock 32 in .357 Sig.
Kitty might have got a couple of warning shots before I shot her. Since she as a mom with kittens.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
At the very least, I’ve always got a Ruger LCP in .380 or .22 LR in my pocket. Either would work on a mountain lion. Lots of them killed with a 22 mag by those hunting them with dogs.
But in that area, I’d probably been carrying either my Glock 20 10mm, or Glock 32 in .357 Sig.
Kitty might have got a couple of warning shots before I shot her. Since she as a mom with kittens.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
At the very least, I’ve always got a Ruger LCP in .380 or .22 LR in my pocket. Either would work on a mountain lion. Lots of them killed with a 22 mag by those hunting them with dogs.
But in that area, I’d probably been carrying either my Glock 20 10mm, or Glock 32 in .357 Sig.
Kitty might have got a couple of warning shots before I shot her. Since she as a mom with kittens.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
Plenty big enough to stomp a mud hole in your little candy commie ass. But then I doubt they call you Calnum-no-nuts for nothing. If you ever came face to face with a real TX Rancher you’d be shaking like a chiwawa schitting a peach seed. Your invited to come down here and give it a go anytime. But I doubt you’ll leave Mommie’s basement long enough to quit hiding behind your keyboard.
At the very least, I’ve always got a Ruger LCP in .380 or .22 LR in my pocket. Either would work on a mountain lion. Lots of them killed with a 22 mag by those hunting them with dogs.
But in that area, I’d probably been carrying either my Glock 20 10mm, or Glock 32 in .357 Sig.
Kitty might have got a couple of warning shots before I shot her. Since she as a mom with kittens.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
The hell, no edit?
Calum-no-nuts is just jealous he doesn’t have dick like the rest of us. I’d imagine he had to run home to Mommy after getting his ass kicked by little fat girls everyday in school. And life in Mommie’s basement beating off to kiddie porn has drained all his brain cells. And in 3 weeks when Trump’s still President, he’ll leap off a tall building or suck start a Glock.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
Plenty big enough to stomp a mud hole in your little candy commie ass. But then I doubt they call you Calnum-no-nuts for nothing. If you ever came face to face with a real TX Rancher you’d be shaking like a chiwawa schitting a peach seed. Your invited to come down here and give it a go anytime. But I doubt you’ll leave Mommie’s basement long enough to quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Lol, Gotta admit......."Big Boned" was kinda funny.
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
Plenty big enough to stomp a mud hole in your little candy commie ass. But then I doubt they call you Calnum-no-nuts for nothing. If you ever came face to face with a real TX Rancher you’d be shaking like a chiwawa schitting a peach seed. Your invited to come down here and give it a go anytime. But I doubt you’ll leave Mommie’s basement long enough to quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Lol, Gotta admit......."Big Boned" was kinda funny.
He’s just fantasizing about the big bone in the ass his boyfriend is going to give him tonight. Freudian Slip. 😜
My guess is you are rather “big boned” or “husky” as your mom always said. I can tell you have zero experience jogging or dealing with lions.
Plenty big enough to stomp a mud hole in your little candy commie ass. But then I doubt they call you Calnum-no-nuts for nothing. If you ever came face to face with a real TX Rancher you’d be shaking like a chiwawa schitting a peach seed. Your invited to come down here and give it a go anytime. But I doubt you’ll leave Mommie’s basement long enough to quit hiding behind your keyboard.
Lol, Gotta admit......."Big Boned" was kinda funny.
He’s just fantasizing about the big bone in the ass his boyfriend is going to give him tonight. Freudian Slip. 😜
Make sure your battery on your phone is charged up. I want to see that. I think Calnum is in for a surprise. But then He'd have to leave his basement to get his but whipped.
He sounded too stressed to remember that he had rocks, sticks all around him. Maybe a manly voice in there somewhere too. She just figured, sure looks juicier than those scrawny ground squirrels and a lot slower than a rabbit. Kinda sounds squeemish too. Mmmm!
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