The exodus out of California is accelerating at an unbelievable rate. I'm told my reliable friends who live in California that say it's taking weeks and longer to get an appointment with a mover. We all remember the Grapes of Wrath story that brought millions to California, now the joke is the wrath of the grapes is moving millions out. And, it's happening fast.

If they don't like Republicans, Mormons, guns, or livestock they won't like it here.

Paul

They might enjoy a place that isn’t shaking or on fire half the year.

They have been ruining Utah for the last 15 years!

Chicago looks nice..

Or Minneapolis.

Please move somewhere else. Washington, Or Oregon

Can we get them classified as non-native and open a season?

Our housing prices have surged almost 25% this year, it's nuts. It's supposed to be down to 0 this weekend, hopefully we have a tough winter and it thins them out.

Don’t worry, they’ll change all that soon enough. Liberalism is a plague. Like a tick, it needs a host to survive and the only way to kill it is to smash or burn it out.

GFY!

Here in California on my one hour morning commute I hear ads on the radio for realtors specializing in helping us Californians escape to Free America; most notably Idaho and Montana.


Sorry fellas, but I am getting my two girls out of this moral cesspool as soon as the divorce is settled. My wife won't leave the family that treats her like garbage.

It looks like Utah for me and the girls. Decent people with great standards of behavior. I will do my best to fit in and not wreck anything.

RG, you would be welcome at my campfire anytime here in Utah.

Thank you Sir.

And welcome in AZ as well.

Good for you, Ranger Green. Best wishes to you and your girls.

I thought the Wrath of Grapes was a wine hangover.

I wonder how many will stay in Montana past their first winter.

I recall reading an article a few years ago that said the locals don't have much to do with the people who move in until they live there into their second winter.

St. George, Utah is experiencing a huge housing boom. Wife is teaching at two schools that opened last year and they are nearing capacity. There is also plans for a master planned 10,000 new homes on the south part of town.

Campfire members get a big welcome, dems stop in Vegas or continue to Salt Lake!

We are full up in Texas. Move along, nothing but heat and mosquitoes. I heard New York and Jersey need some residents!

Not all from out of state such as CA. Lots of retirees moving south from SLC, mostly for the warmer weather and little or no snow. Can't say what the mix is.

Don't know where the water is going to come from, but the builders and developers and politicians (same-same) don't seem to care.

Libs are still a distinct but mouthy minority. The one Biden/Harris sign in the immediate neighborhood is right back of us, another a block away. A few Blue Lives Matter signs.

Paul

The bad news is nation wide in fact it's western world wide.

A woman running for city council stopped by last week. I told her that I wanated to leave California and she said she just moved back from two years in Idaho. She said all her family was here so decided to come back and fight to get here State back from the Libs.

I hope it is true and she can be a beacon for many to come back and fight.

But I am like Chief Joseph. Ad for California, "I will fight no more forever".

Happy birthday brother.

No! We already have enough azzholes.

No one mentioned Cajun country.

Good.

We're safe....

We'll put the word out to these Cajuns, the season on Californians is closed, ya can't put'em in a gumbo.

They won't last long...

DF

Winter is coming. They won't stay long.

Hope the Yankees and left coasters are aware of how hot and humid it is here in Floriduh. And that we have a lot of poisonous snakes. And lizards that will eat them. And sharks. And Crackers. Lots of Crackers.

And hurricanes. And we’re the thunderstorm capital of the US. And skeeters, ticks, chiggers, noseeums, and fireants.

I do wish they'd settle in NYC, or in the hurricane zone.

Or TX.

Insane doesn't even touch it here. Latest numbers I've heard were 28,000 new residents in the Flathead.

If the internet would crash, and we got a bad winter it would be amazing. Nobody could "work" from home, and they'd freeze their puzzies shut going outside.

Not welcome in Texas. They screwed up their state, they can stay there.

Here, here!

I agree. No signs for either side where we live. I think the developers and politicians are counting in the Lake Powell pipeline for future water. Dixie State Univ is a liberal spawning ground.

Cnn reports rents in San Francisco have dropped as much as 31%.......
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/19/success/rents-drop-san-francisco/index.html

Californians are flocking to Nevada, spent the last 40 years of their lives voting to put in place the policies that have ruined the beautiful state of California and now headed here to start over screwing Nevada up. First thing they do is put their Biden Harris lawn sign in and proceed to tell everyone how it's done in California! Same thing happening in Idaho and western Montana. If you lean left, hate guns and hunting, are a vegon please stay home! We really don't want you here!

We are full up in Texas. Move along, nothing but heat and mosquitoes. "

+ rattlers, scorpions, lots of guns, dust when the wind blows, hurricanes, tornadoes, and so forth.

10k new homes ?? Water ??

Y'all everywhere better watch out.

City fathers (and mothers?) most everywhere believe in "GROWTH" and unfortunately with humans they're not like apple trees. You can't just prune the unwanted growth.

Best thing for you folks to do would be to run for your city council and county supervisor seats and push a limited growth agenda. Helps to keep property values up in desirable areas while keeping the influx of outsiders to a minimum.

I'm thinking the colder, snowier areas are going to be somewhat self limiting after a couple of really good blizzards. Lotta Caliotos like snow, when they can drive to Mammoth, Snow Summit and Squaw Valley and then go home on Sunday night and 70F December days.

Whatever y'all do, DON'T let them put in a McDonald's, WalMart, or Costco in your 'hood..................do whatever you can to stop them.

Tracy you will be welcomed anywhere, and those lovely daughters as well. As noted some time ago, there are some places in Southern Utah which seem a really good fit for what you seek - but selfishly I would rather have you nearby in AZ. Just be sure get close enough that you can be at all of our SW Campfire get togethers.

I was born and raised in southern Idaho. Joined the Air Force and have lived in some good places since then such as Alaska, North Dakota, and Utah. My last assignment unfortunately was Travis AFB in Fairfield CA. My wife decided she likes this California weather much better than the weather in Alaska or North Dakota! We're still here years after military retirement. However, I do plan to get out soon. Probably going to follow Ranger Green's lead and move to Utah (but not the Wasatch Front, that's just the same as being in California but with better politics). Cedar City is probably going to be the place we end up.

Geno, not all growth is bad, little towns like yours and mine are struggling to keep population high enough to attract basic services like grocery stores and repair shops. Our town is fighting to be able to field an 8 man football team. A few more folks around isn’t bad everywhere. The county seat still has a hospital, but it’s touch and go. No, a few more folks wouldn’t hurt us a bit. But, since were 90%+ Mormon, the influx of all these “open minded” Californians is puzzlingly low....... .

$64K question, or more. See my post above. They "think" a pipeline to Lake Powell is the answer. It isn't.

Paul

I've read up on the situation a bit. From what I understand, the two places that are losing population fast is California and New York City. The Californians are moving to Texas, Idaho, and Arizona. The New York City refugees mostly stay in the New England region.

Generally speaking, the southeast is regarded by them as being redneck Trump country and that's largely true.

As for Kentucky, California liberals would be a loose fit for Lexington and to a lesser extent Louisville.

The rest of the state is a very bad cultural fit for Californians. New York City folks wouldn't get along here at all.

Fortunately, they all seem to understand that.

That's why I mentioned "limited" growth. We lived for awhile in Boulder City, NV. Limited growth, BIG city limits they were smart enough to incorporate years and years ago, and most importantly in NV---- NO GAMBLING.

It was wonderful to live there, and be able to stay away from the zoo over the hill in Henderson/Las Vegas.

I'll agree, we could use a little here. This year's census should be interesting. I think they lost a few percent population in the last one. We just got a brand spankin' new hospital here, opens tomorrow I think. Some things will be nice, others not so much. My pharmacy is moving from a small place on Main St to within the actual hospital building. Now will have to go through the main doors, get temp checked and wear masks and such, and go into the place where all the sick people are. They could have had an outside entrance.

I think the city/county is hoping to attract some more health care providers with the new facility and hoping that attracts some other places. Problem is, even though we're away from all the crap in the cities, businesses still have to operate under State rules, and from some reports businesses here in Cali are bailing too.

The St George thing is exactly the problem with growth at all costs program. That water issue is going to be a big one. Especially with continued droughts forecast. Last I heard, when I lived down in that area of the world, some of that water they're hoping to get from L Powell is already spoken for downriver. Water rights are powerful JuJu in the desert.

90% Mormon will tend to keep the unwashed masses away, sometimes. I hope your county can pick up enough growth to be sustaining, but not so ,much it ruins the quality of life.

Ain't going to matter in a few days anyways...

Vote republican for everything. Then the USA stays alive and free. Otherwise, the democrat/republican anti-American/socialist/communist/marxist/liberals win and freedom will be gone along with anything which was the USA. That will include our guns, much higher taxes, Constitution, and our way of freedom in our life. You can kiss the churches goodbye too. Then get ready to learn to speak chinese. The democrat anti-American/socialist/communist/marxist/liberals should be removed from office and off all the ballots for they offer nothing for America or the American people to help make the country better. Their choice is removal.

Montana seems to be where Colorado was about 30 years ago.

I hope you aren't depending on Republicans for our salvation. Ruth Ginsburg was confirmed with a 96 to 3 vote. With a few exceptions Republicans are only slightly better than avowed Democrats and socialists. The USA does not stay alive and free. It will thrash about a while longer and die. Sorry to break it to you but we are bankrupt and owned by international bankers. What are the chances we will tell them to take a hike that we aren't paying. You think those trillions of fake dollars they gave didn't have a mortgage attached?

Texas is calling your name, Tracy!

Thinking about KY, we had a KY crew putting utility lines back up after Hurricane Laura did a job on us here in LA.

Cajun neighbor was talking to these Kentuckians about how his Granddad made shine. I told him, these's boy's Dads and Granddad's probably wrote the book on moon-shine, that Cajuns may have their skill sets, but their moon-shining wouldn't compare, amateurs talking to pros. I had them all laughing. But, that's a big truth... Cajuns may make shine, but those Kentuckians were and are the masters of the trade.

Good guys, enjoyed visiting with them and really enjoyed getting electricity restored. Ran my generator for a week.

DF

Maybe China or Russia, they tend to want total government control anyway.

This means a lot to me Sir. Thank you very much.

The topic of this thread is very real. I have been going through realtor's multiple listing sites (MLS) for at least five years. The sharp increase in housing prices got even more extreme in July, after the death of St George Floyd while in police custody. The madness (leftists machines) that have gripped the country have pushed a lot of people over the line. This line is the line of decent society, which California has famously lost years ago. Northern Arizona, my presumed target, climbed out of my reach. Everywhere a Californian would go had gone crazy. The prices that are affecting me, though, are for locals and natives that are being pushed out of their areas by the influx of Californians.

Funny observation: For years in San Francisco the most liberal people were often just rebels from small town America trying to live a Hollywood fantasy. They couldn't speak french otherwise they'd move to Paris. Those that could moved to San Francisco because Europe is gone but they would never admit that. If they did. it was Reagan's/Bush's/Trumps fault, not the reality of drugs and Muslims. All these people believe the Summer of Love was yesterday and it is an annual event like a street fair.

The Liberal policies that destroyed the Golden State live on. While typing this I heard over the radio of the retirement of a 40 year veteran of the California Highway Patrol (CHP). The announcement could hardly wait to mention that the man was black and that the Governor was selecting the FIRST FEMALE to head the CHP, She, too, is black. No other qualifications mentioned.

The reality and patriotism that September 11th had awakened has withered away. So has the memory of the hard times of the Great Recession under Obama. Fighting Leftist policies will be an unending battle.

Now, that's Texas hospitality, for sure...

I got a real chuckle out of that...

DF

Texas will no longer be Texas in two decades. California is a cancer.

fwiw they do tend to kill their young

Seems like half the older population of our town here in Wyoming have moved to St. George, or at least bought a winter home there. No worries, though, their slots are being taken up by Californians.

Been in Utah since '79...transplant from W PA...never looked back

Had a good long career with UPS....retired 9 yrs now...so living in Podunk is not an issue

Wife has good secure job with the State....few yrs to retire

Employment will determine where you live in most cases...

Living 3 hrs from the Wasatch Front Zoo & traffic is close enough for me

My location has two seasons..summer & winter....wind & more wind

Elevation may be an issue to some flat landers too....not to be over looked

I can go 30 minutes east....or west...on the Kawi SxS...and disappear in the vast empty public land Utah

That's what is great about being here !

Outstnding.

Tikka, you are a Siren calling me away from the urban filth.

And they Californicate every damn place they move to!!

Take that Blue Dog hat off. It's old and it smells.

That's great, Kaywoodie. All you have to do now is rename Texas. Call it "Baja Oklahoma" and throw 'em off the trail.

It's been raining for a day and a half down here. Hey, but that keeps the bugs from biting.

They sure do, without exception. They may think they are "conservative". In fact they are just a bit less onerous liberals and don't have a clue.

Case in point:

My new neighbor out here bought out a great neighbor with the fortune they made on their small older house in Monterey CA. He's a nice guy, retired from his state government job and raising his 8 y/o grandson who was a crack baby. He wants to fit in, but it will never happen.

The first things he asked me were where does he go to license his dogs out here in the county (nobody does that here) and where he goes to register his two guns.

Is it any wonder why we hate Californians?

Thank you!

Dat's mean, funny too but mean.

Seems most of the NE liberals run out of gas in either N.C. or VA

Looking more and more forward to landing in Tennessee full time.
All we do when there is look at properties anymore.

Having recently lived in China as well as currently living in California, I can honestly say if you're not openly criticizing the CCP, there's probably less control in China than CA. No [bleep].

We need to build a wall around Texas to keep the riffraff out.

I always enjoy your posts and pics of life there. Good stuff.

And back to the OT.

What a lot of the other 49 staters forget, or fail to realize, is that California has been the gold rush state for 170 years. People come here to make a fortune, then head elsewhere. More than likely, those "Califernicators" you despise, weren't born and raised in California. Instead, like the majority of the state's current population, they came from one of the other 49 states, or from some other country first.

Tracy mentioned San Francisco and its numbskull government, brought on by people trying to move to Paris, but didn't make it across the Atlantic. What he failed to mention is the exact numbers.

I did the rideshare driver thing for a couple years before my current temporary semi-retirement. I drove in SF probably 3-4 days a week, and spent a good time chatting with passengers. My informal empirical polling showed that 80% weren't even native Californians and that 5% or less were born in SF. LA and SF are not so different in these regards. And this is where the majority of the state voting block lives. 9 SF bay counties, and the 4-5 down south (LA, Orange, SD, Ventura, and maybe San Bernadino?)

So, please remember, the odds are that those damned "Califernicators" probably aren't originally from California. Instead, they're just more of those people that came to CA to make their stake and then move on to greener pastures. As has been done for nearly two centuries now.

At any rate, Ranger Green has me beat. While we're both leaving the state and ex-wives behind, I'm not out of here for another 6 years unless my ex decides that I was actually right, and this geographical paradise is rapidly going down the toilet and decides to move. But I know, where ever I go I hope that a local will absolutely punch my lights out if I ever say "Well, that's not how we did it back where I'm from...." Seriously, those words ought to be the get out of jail free card for any assault charge.

Scott

Scott, your comparisons of out of staters to California being a cause for the present malaise’s there is a bit like folks from all over attending a college known for its Liberal Arts curriculum. Folks get “changed “, evidently .

Southwest wall in progress.

Solid red places are going to be purple and then blue. Nothing you can do to stop it.

My small town is getting some Milwaukee and Chicago escapes.

I prefer the term invasive species. Give folks a $100 for every one hunted or caught.

Might be good folks.

Actually, I feel you've reinforced my point. (Generalizing here) the same folks that would go to a university known for its Liberal Arts curriculum, would be the same sort that would likely embrace the politics found amongst the faculty and staff of the university. Ditto for CA's urban areas in the north and south in that like attracts like. It's not as if there's a huge portion of folks with strong conservative values that move to SF then catch the ghey and turn Pelosi blue. The conservative minded learn to STFU, keep their heads down, make their nut and then move on. Again, hopefully never uttering those famous fighting words: "Well, that's not the way we did it back in SF...."

I-40 is closed coming into OK....

Very true. The influx is akin to an invasion. Bad part is, we don’t get good rural folks from up north, just the urbanite liberals that want to destroy our state with their existence.

Tracy,

not sure where you're looking in N AZ, or what kind of budget you have for house/property, but if you've nothing against the Show-Low/Pinetop area, St Johns, and over that way you might find something more affordable than Flagstaff/Prescott/Payson area. Especially if you have nothing against relatively nice newer mfg homes.

Sure is a nice area up there, can get a bit chilly in winter but was never "hot" hot, 90F was a heat wave, 95F a rarity, at least when I was there around 2000-2001.

I'd find you a place around here, lot's of reasonably priced places, but then again............it's still in Commiefornia.

Good luck with your search, I'm sure you'll find something.

Did he seem happy when you told him his dogs didn't need licenses and his guns didn't need registered?

Might be he had no clue and was just trying to follow the rules he was used to.

If it had been me, I'd have said "cool"

Show Low is where I have been searching for the last five years. You have excellent taste. While I cannot afford the nice pine woods, the people of Taylor and Snowflake are a quality lot. I am by no means wealthy and will lose a lot in the divorce, but if I can get a toe hold there, I would be happy as long as my kids are accepted and not bullied for their father's failings.

The weather is good. The people are better. There are a lot of veterans in that town. Utah has lesser state taxes.

Great choices.

Truly uncalled-for.....

Hmmm... Do you know how many Okies came to California during the Dust Bowl of the late 30's - 40's?

They made a movie about it. Check it out. Route 66 ran both ways

Taylor and Snowflake were "very Mormon" when I lived in the area. Had a friend there that was a RE agent and rancher. Let me use his ranch house out to the east of town when I had a tag out that way. Warned me of the folks nearby out there in the "cedars" to stay away from.

The towns are nice enough tho, and close enough to Show-Low for shopping and such. You may have to shake off some missionary kids though, they might be at your door frequently.

Hahaha!

You marvelous bastard!

Missionaries tend to be polite and therefore welcome.

Cedar City Utah is a strong number two. The prices there are reasonable. It all depends on how the girls will be treated by their peers. Most people leave me alone and that is a good thing. I do not think I will be "red flagged" for carrying my rifle case from the truck to the house.

Red Flagged?

Hardly, in either place. Especially Snowflake..............Maybe questioned about "What ya' huntin' with neighbor?"

Got a high school buddy moved to Texas about 10 years ago. All he does now is bitch about Kommiefornians moving to Texas. Except of course when he is trying incessantly to get me to moved there.

Be interesting on how your girls adjust and fit in if you make the move to Cedar City. I lived in UT for 9 years. I am not a member of the LDS church. One of the friendliest place I've been, but one of the hardest to make true friends. It really weighed on my wife.

Californians don’t do well here.

Okies were broke, starving and looking for work. The californians now days, not so much.

The okies didn’t change political systems there as Californians tend to do today.

The okies weren’t too well received by the californians just like the inverse today.

They made a movie about it.. Check it out.
Grins

I'd be interested in your take on that, if you're inclined to elaborate.

I haven't found that any place has a monopoly on friendliness, though many seem to claim so.

Paul

I hear it’s getting harder and harder to get a BJ in Cali these days with all them cock suckers moving to Montana!! ....just joking of course, there are some good people in CA , it’s just that they are outnumbered by dumbsheit liberals.....

I lived there for 9 years and got along well with everyone. Even at the end, did not have a friend that would call me or that I could call to do something on the weekend. I'm far from anti-social. My kids were very young, so did not get incorporated into social circles that way. May have been different had we stayed longer or I got more involved in 'things', dunno. Co-workers, neighbors etc, were all very friendly.

Thanks. I can relate, but in our case we're older, family far away, and everybody seems to be wrapped up with their own lives, family, jobs, and of course for many, their church. Not an uncommon situation for retirees who relocate.

Paul

I believe that I won't be bothered by and social isolation. I have been shunned by most Californians my whole adult life. I "fit in" here and in the Army but not in the land of endless strip malls, greed, and hypocrisy. I suppose eventually I will get lonely but as long as there is the 'Fire and the occasional phone call to an old military friend, I'll get by as I always have.

Getting outside and not having to drive several hours to escape a megapolis will be liberating. Finding an area that I can fly the flag without being considered a domestic terrorist will be great.

Forgot the smiley face so you would not feel butt hurt

Yes my mothers family went to California at the beginning of the war used a black market driver to get out there drove straight through. Grandfather supported them by working as a book keeper at a ship yard. Mom hated it said people treated them pretty poorly and she had to catch three buses to get to school every day. After the war they all came home.

California is a beautiful state too bad there are so many communists there. Wish you guys could figure out how to drive them all to the ocean.

No, Montana already elected a democratic senator. They are moving downward fast. As for as Ranger a green is concerned , he would be a good addition to any state. Hasbeen

No good if they proliferate too fast.

Scorched earth and bounties might work.

Probably not, tho

I'm just glad KY isn't close. We have enough Leftists already in the cities and Government.

Now you're talking.......

Like feral hogs down South. By the time you really notice them it’s already too late.

Any of the leppers from any of the west coast states will bring social / political leprosy to where ever they land. The dregs from the northeast are doing the same here on the east coat. We need to build colonies for these people to contain the mental disease they bring with them.

We've all ready got 8 inches of snow on the ground. They won't like having to buy insulated sweaters with little alligators on them.

I’m sure you’d be welcome anywhere in Red State America.

‘Nother big litmus test on Texas coming on Nov 3rd. Even the Democrats think Texas is gonna lean R. with regards to the President, it was the rural 12% of the population in East Texas that kept Ted Cruz in by a hair over Beto in 2018.

Locally the race to watch is for Rep Congressman Will Hurd’s seat. A gerrymandered district containing part of the West Side of SA and a huge stretch of the West Texas Borderlands. He too barely squeaked by Filipino Lesbian Gina Ortiz Jones in 2018.

Now it’s a guy named Tony Gonzalez running against Jones, Jones heavily backed by Soros, Pelosi, the DNC and Rosie Castro, one of the most powerful Democrats in Texas.

yeah it doesn't snow in cali........bob

you are right about that liberals have about ruined lexington