I got the Moderna 3 weeks ago. Since then I have been suffering from fatigue and depression. Plus minor flu symptons.

I am no stranger to pain and suffering. Knocked out 2 teeth playing high school football. Knocked them out again 15 years later in a bad hang glider landing.
Got 38 stitches left thigh in a chain saw mishap. Fractured the right femur in a logging accident and after 18 months on crutches, wound up with total knee replacement.
Got 138 stitches in the forehead, at age 15, when I took out the windshield of an Olds 98 in a head on crash. Fractured the left ankle playing soccer in college.
I am just getting warmed up I could go on for several paragraphs.

These Moderna side effects are bad and I just can't shake them. I am lined up to take the second shot on Friday.
No way I am taking that second shot.

If I had known how bad it was going to be I never would have taken that shot.

Damn! I hope you feel better soon.

Did you ever get tested for anything else?

If not, how do you know it is the result of the vaccine?

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

Hope you feel better.

Mom got her second shot last week and was sick for days until we took her to the ER. They checked her out good and took about half her blood. Looks like she's finally through it.

Bastards damn near killed her.

38 stitches from your power saw? ...

They have no idea what the side effects could be, rush job and all about the money. Hope you feel better soon.

You need to see if you actually got the VIRUS about the same time. Your symptoms from the shot should have been mild, especially on the first shot. I don’t know of many who had much issue with the first. A few had symptoms for a day or two with the second shot.

Burger King and Jersey Mikes laid me up more than them two shots.

My MIL was so sick from the 2nd shot we almost had to put her in the hospital! Took almost week for her to feel like getting out of bed! I’ve heard/read too many instances like hers to even think about the shot!

Youngest daughter is a nurse for a local Dr’s office. They offered the shot for their employees and only about 10% took it. Most of the Dr’s didn’t take it stating the research just wasn’t there and it is really only effective for a 3-4 month period. After that, all bets are off! Not worth it to us!

Elk Country

i thought it was arbys that gave you the scours.

Well at least you'll be able to fly on a plane or travel to Nicaragua....

God bless and be with and heal and protect you, Mr Simon. You have guts and truth and everlasting life if you so choose. Sorry to hear of your troubles and have no fear. Praying for you here and HE will never forsake you. Never. No matter what you go through. HE is there for YOU. HE gave HIS son JESUS CHRIST for you, no matter the trials and tribulations you go through.

HE gives you life everlasting.

Golden Corral

Arbys blows out the bottom end.

The other two are top end of the alimentary canal.

God bless and be with and heal and protect you, Mr Simon. You have guts and truth and everlasting life if you so choose. Sorry to hear of your troubles and have no fear. Praying for you here and HE will never forsake you. Never. No matter what you go through. HE is there for YOU. HE gave HIS son JESUS CHRIST for you, no matter the trials and tribulations you go through.

HE gives you life everlasting.

Amen.

Btw, 5 sammys for $10 is BAAAACK !!!!


Arby’s wants a slice of that Stimmy.

Holy damn VD and Slum, i just ate two 3 dollar apples cause the Famous Grouse made me hungry!

LMAO!

You can eat 2 Arbys sandwiches and lose 6 lbs

Some Kate Moss diet secret chit

What the heck is a "Famous Grouse" ?

Euphemism for Wild Turkey?

👍

10-roger on katies moss, Famous Grouse is scotch, a 3 dollar apple is any apple you cover with peanut butter.

Lots of people ask that.

I can understand how pissed off they get when they get a serious drug with death as a possibility and are told it can't be that shot you just got.

Never got to try the Grouse, gave it all up a long time ago.

I don't do PB.

Now caramel on an apple ain't so bad, just messy pain to eat.

If you catch covid you have a 96% chance of not being hospitalized. In my county. Salt lake. You have a 0.09% chance of death. About the same as drowning at some point in your life. Is getting the vaccine really worth it with those chances?

I hope you start feeling better soon, I truly do!

With all the information out there as well as the fact that this entire thing is a joke, actually it’s a crime against humanity, I don’t think that you can say you didn’t know this could happen. Nobody that’s been on the campfire can say that the topic hasn’t been beaten to death here but it has allowed us many resources to get informed. I guess it comes down to whether one trusts this government or not. I don’t so therefore I look at the government sources with a suspicious eye and well vetted and corroborated information....not Fauci or Cuomo Nothing surrounding this epic lie known as COVID-19 is trustworthy. I damn sure wouldn’t have the liars inject me with their bullshit serum. I’ve heard from very few that experienced no side effects so I don’t understand the fear around a more virulent seasonal cold that has a death rate of .004%?

Maybe after years and proper trials have accounted for enough data to prove it’s safe only then would I begrudgingly consider it.....if I had cormorbidities.

I hope you start feeling better soon. You might research Ivermectin. Good luck.....we don’t wanna see Greta Thuneberg lose her only fan. 😂

Dude,

I changed the oil on the car once.

The next week the transmission went out.

Maybe I shouldn't change the oil?

You're pretty naive if you think a person who gets ANY vaccine, then gets some sort of illness, should just attribute it to the vaccine, without being tested for other causes.

10-foe, told bud i liked the 1.75L of Grouse he gave me a few weeks back, that awipe left another bottle on the ice chest by the door yesterday, homemade PB is king Valsdad, about my sweet limit, no can do caramel.

Got the second this morning. Feel a little feverish now, but otherwise no issues. Will see if I have the morning walk in me tomorrow. First one made the left shoulder a little sore for about 24 hours.

At least in a few days, I should be sterile.

Ace, that wasn't good, man. Truth but.

God bless you and Simon. And please LORD, me too.

Sterile is dead. GOD be with you too

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Im getting annoyed that food bank never has crunchy peanut butter. They cater to yuck-moufs with that creamy jive.

Since a kid I have not been able to tolerate the taste of anything "peanut". I can't count the number of jelly sandwiches that were ruined because someone else in the family made a PB&J and didn't wipe off the knife at least before sticking it in the jelly jar, leaving remnants for me.

I've told my wife I find PB so revolting (because of the ruint sammies???) that if this was 1951 instead of 2021 I would not let her cross the threshold of my house with a jar of that stuff in the grocery bags. She looks at me and laughs.

Hold into the peanut butter?

Look, guys. The issue isnt necessarily the here and now. Those with the Rna schiet are MORE susceptible to Bill Gates and Wuhan strains that are designed to circumvent it. The plan is to set you up for future infectious strain catastrophe.

To hear you pussies complain. Imagine if you really got sick...like ICU sick. My wife had the Moderna, I had Pfizer....my one lunged nam vet dad had Pfizer and my crippled mother had Moderna. You know what...we live to talk about it.


Man up. Shots arnt fun. Vents are far less fun.


I honestly wonder...those that are having trouble with the vaccine...do you stop and think about how you would handle the actual virus?

To the OP...I truly hope you feel better. Being sick is no fun. Be smart...follow through. Being dead is less fun

In the not very distant future!

I had a family member get one of those damned shots against my advice and warning. Next thing this healthy strong woman got was brain damage that turned her into a vegetable needing complete care for years.
I actually have sobs tell me it could not have been caused by the vaccine.

If memory serves, a lot of us got Polio , TB, and Tetanus shots as kids.
None of us got Polio, TB, Tetanus as a result or even a mild case.
And I know some of the early Polio stuff was bad. back in the 50's.
This Covid "vaccine" just doesn't pass the critical thinking test.
However if it makes somebody feel better about themselves.
Sorry you are not feeling well, hope it passes soon.

For now, anyway. I hope there are no other side effects.

Terrible about your family member.

Did anyone check for any other causes?

I was a seemingly healthy "old person" last summer. Walked all the time, hard work around the house. Started getting some chest pains. Had EKG and blood work done, no sign of heart issues with those tests. Also had an upper endoscopy by the local general surgeon. Found gastritis, had the balloon thing done to stretch the esophagus. All is well for a few weeks while waiting for appointments with an actual gastroenterologist and cardiologist, just in case. Cardiologist sets up stress test, shows some lack of flow to one area of my heart.

Long story short, after they went in through my wrist to look, they found two blockages in my right coronary artery. One 90% and the other 99%.

Had I died before getting the two stents placed, and before they had gotten in there to look, some might have assumed I had a ruptured esophagus or some such as I had never experienced anything other than some 'chest pain" and they'd found a possible cause for that.

All I've said, and I'll repeat it. Correlation is not causation.

Someone gets a shot and really bad scheidt happens, unless tested there is no way to be sure the shot was the cause.

Millions have now had the shot, the super majority without any serious side effects such as your relative. Or the ones folks are always referring too. The overwhelming majority of those I know who have had the shots available here have no side effects other than a sore arm. Matter of fact, I've only had one person say they were affected for more than a day.

Again, sorry about your family member, and if as you say "sobs tell me it could not have been caused by the vaccine", you may want to schedule further tests..................because without testing one will never know if it was caused by the vaccine, and blood clot, or a brain parasite that's gone undetected.

Brother Simon, go to this link. Call a tele-medicine doctor who covers your area, and tell them what happened, and tell them you want a scrip for Ivermectin pills. Be sure and tell them what other meds you are on, if any, so they can verify / protect from possible reactions from them with the Ivermectin.

The deadly shot is flooding your body with enormous amounts of antibodies the shot is creating, and your immune system is freaking out.

Tell the doctor you want the Ivermectin, so it will RE-STABILIZE your system, and to keep you from going into ADE, and it killing you.

God Bless you sir, and I hope you get this message.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/guide-for-this-website/how-to-get-ivermectin/

My wife's rheumatologist told her she was in the highest risk category to die from Covid due to the medication she takes to control her rheumatoid arthritis. She worked from home for 11 months to avoid getting infected. When the opportunity came to get the shot, she jumped on it. She (indeed we) are strongly pro-life and didn't want to take a shot derived from fetal tissue. Further, she's a braniac who went to college on a full ride science scholarship. She did the homework on the rDNA process for how this vaccine works.

She got the Moderna vaccine. First shot, no big deal. Second shot 4 weeks later and she felt "off" for about 36 hours and had a sore injection site for a little longer.

Because I'm a first responder, I qualified for an early vaccination as well. I followed in her footsteps two weeks later. Same reaction, minus the injection site pain.

I'm sorry that the OP has struggled with his health. It may, or may not, be a function of the vaccine. I don't lay awake at night wondering if Bill Gates is going to empty my bank account or if the democrats are going to reprogram my thinking and convert me to a rabid socialist. I look back at the sacrifices our Greatest Generation made to win the second world war, and the immunization programs that rid the nation of measles and polio in the middle of the last century. I fear that we are not the same quality of persons that we were then. Back then, people pulled together for the greater good. Today, we scream "socialism!" or "tyranny!" because we're asked to wear a silly mask.

Your mileage may vary.

KP

you have a medical background like I do....

check out how high of a percentage the first dose has before you consider the second....

some of them are 85% effective on the first shot... the second adds strictly another 10% effective, and are the ones that give more side effects which are negative...

they don't tell ya that much it seems....

This is some real funny [bleep], How does a flu shot make one feel depressed ? LMFMFAO

Oh for Chrisesake, get over it. Depression, give me a break, you were probably depressed prior to the shot. Wife and I both had the Moderna shots and we are fine. Life is too short for this kind of BS. JMHO

Y'all can have my shot too. Be Well, RZ.

I haven't taken any and i will never take one of those vaccine shots.

I got the Moderna about the first of the month and ended up in the ER 3 days later with o2 sats of 56%. I had a bad headache and i almost never get headaches, and I threw up several times but never had a cough and barely had a fever.

The ER Dr thought I had a clot to the lungs but the scan was clear. They didn't think it was the vaccine but the next week another lady that got the shot at my wife's office had the same reaction. I'm still supposed to get the second shot but I'm not sure I will. I was on home o2 for a few weeks but I'm doing pretty well without it now.

I've had other breathing problems the last few years and I'm on steroids and immunosuppressants too so at first I wasn't sure it was the vaccine. After it happened to the other lady I'm pretty sure it was the vaccine. She had covid a few months back and then got the vaccine anyways. I'd had 2 covid tests last year and an antibody test that were all negative. While in the er my covid test was negative too. Some of my blood work like inflammatory markers and neutrophils were high.

Bb

....and while you are at it get tested, really tested, for LYME Disease

Recently read something about one or more of the " vaccines" making your body attack blood platelets, with symptoms like you describe. Will try to find it & post.

Good luck, maybe getting some vitamins in your system could help.

The future of world domination coming to a cough near you.

China just ran a small reconnaissance mission. They’re collecting American’s DNA, and the next one will be specifically tailored for us.

Damn Simon, you ain’t one to whine and are among the most accomplished here.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

But as Valsdad said; without a checkup ya ain’t gonna know what caused it.

Any chance you already had Covid exposure and didn't know it? Word at the local hospital is that people with the pre-existing antibodies are the ones having problems with the vaccine.

Good post.

In addition, for those who are doing it, self diagnosis of your health issues and those of your family is not a good plan. See a doctor and get the real facts. Facts are always better than speculation based on what you've read somewhere on the internet..

Ditto..


Ditto.

Only one or two people I've heard of around here have had some minor side effects - and those were related to the 2nd shot.. Otherwise - meh...

I'm sorry to hear this. I hope you get over it and have no longer term effects.

Unless they really aren't facts.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...-childrens-health-defense-301217037.html

Boo....!!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/webinar/the-covid-vaccine-on-trial-if-you-only-knew-watch-now/

Excellent point. Go back to doctor. It very well could be unrelated.

Not trying to scare anyone.

Just trying to let people know that MSM, and big pharma don't always tell it like it is.

https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/03/1...k-following-covid-experimental-vaccines/

I've had both Pfizer shots, wife and family Moderna, NO side effects ZERO !

If Marvin Hagler could talk, I would bet he would say the same thing.

I don't think that you scare too many people. You make some people smile and shake their head, but fright...??

I'm smiling.

My best neighbor who is a healthy fit guy early sixties got the Moderna shot and immediately came down with those symptoms and some rash and other unexplained maladies... Another case is a friends FIL in WV who was a heathy physicians assistant now in the hospital with all kinds of issues. Wife, bro, and SIL all survived the Rona without major issues. Don’t know anyone who died.

I ain’t taking schit that is used under an “emergency use authorization “ when I’m not statistically likely to die from the disease. Come see me when it has been run through a full clinical trial and FDA approval.

Hold into the Fauci

It's pathetic to see those trying to shore up their own position and mindset, just refusing to believe that the mRNA shot could actually harm someone.

How do you get to the point logically , where a virus that has a 99.7% survival rate, is more dangerous than a shot full of stuff that nobody knows about or understands.??? We have NO F"N CLUE about long term affects...yet folks spout off with complete confidence that they know what the Gov't is giving them. This whole site is infected with Stockholm's Syndrome. Fear causing desperation causing compliance.

No side effects? Good for you, might want to wait a few months before celebrating, their will be MANY more cases like the OP's coming. The medical community has totally over-invested, they will never admit their are hazards associated with the shot, merely because the virus is just too big and scary.. " If it saves one life...." sound familiar ??

OP, i sure do wish you the very best with this...

https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

Dad was sicker than hell after the second dose and his lymph nodes under the arm he got the shot in swelled the size of golf balls. Fugg that chitt!

Simonkenton7, sure feel bad for you and hope you get completely well. The shots sure effect people differently, with no way to tell ahead of time how it will hit the individual.

My wife and I both got both shots of Moderna, second shot over a month ago, with minimal side effects. The first shot had zero effect, the second made her shoulder quite sore for two days, mine a little sore for one day. We know at least a dozen people who have had both Moderna shots with no adverse effects. Russian roulette of sorts, as is true of taking any medicine to some extent.

"Grampah survived the Bataan Death March, the least I can do is take a shot in the arm for America!"


Jeebuz, thought this place was suppose to be smarter since W4B stopped posting.

Which retard said that?

My favorite thus far is "I had wedding vows when I got married and I want to hunt Africa again."

Back a page.



Read that too, now have them substitute drain cleaner for the "vaccine".

If I were to get the shot, I'd request it be administered into my crank by a female nurse, so she could observe the swelling, based on your eyewitness accounting.

sk- sounds like you should just stay in bed.... you are an accident waiting to happen.

We had the Moderna shots. Mildly sore arm for 24. I was fatigued on the day after #2, and had to crash for an hour or so in mid-afternoon, but that might have been the 5 hours of snow blowing and shoveling.

My wife was under the weather all that day, woke up puking. But only that day.

Well aren't you a real cum guzzling dip sheit, how would you know what the man is going through? They have no long term studies on this poison they are injecting folks with, there are tons of cases of severe side effects. Fuqk you dude.

Hang tough Simon. You have survived this long for some reason. Best wishes for a full and strong recovery.

Amazing! I had a Pfizer shot last week and it was like I never had one.


I had a slight soreness in my arm the next day getting dried off from the shower and getting dressed for the day but it only lasted a very short time and I didn't notice it at all when I was doing something.

Exactly VD

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Heretic!

Wife had Covid in December. Spent 10 days at home battling it On day 11 she was having difficulty breathing. Spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia and got 4 Remdisivere drips. She was home on day 5 from the hospital. Hydroxy, z pack etc, did not help. She started that regiment on the day she tested positive. The Remdisivere knocked it out. No pre existing conditions and in good health.
She quarantined for 14 days after getting out of the hospital. (more of a recouperation) She is fine now.

She works at a school and decided to get the shot so she would not have to go through Covid again. She got the first Pfizer shot on Monday, and yesterday was feeling as bad as when she first got Covid. She is having second thoughts on getting the next shot.

Think I am going to pass myself.


Clyde

I have a thought, and its SUPER crazy, but hear me out. Is it possible, even remotely, that us human beings are not exact cookie cutter copies of each other? Like could it be that inside we might somehow have different immune systems or maybe we react badly to something that doesn't bother the next guy? Completely absurd sounding I know but its so crazy it just might be true! If so, it might mean that a substance you took and didn't react much to might damn near kill someone else, and vice versa. Just one guys crazy thoughts though, if you've had it and were fine I'm sure that means it'll be samesies for everyone else to, no worries.

That's crazy talk.....lol so stop making sense.

Or dead on. Take your pick

Clyde

I know of at least 10 couples in my area ---relatives and friends, and all of us have had both covid shots with NO after effects! The shots were both Moderna and Pfizer!
Now, I am worried why aren't any of the people I know having after effects? We feel left out!

xxclaro I think you are correct in your thinking.

My wife just reminded me that she hasn't heard of anybody in our small town having problems with the shots. Must be the fresh air!

You took the shot? lmao!

Let’s see, some get Covid and get deathly ill or die, some get Covid and don’t even know they have it.

Some get the so called vaccine and have major side effects, some get it and can’t even tell they had the shot. Who woulda thunk it?

Lmfao

[bleep] their “vaccine”

Hope OP gets better soon.

I've heard from several places that people who have significant reactions to the vaccine probably already had Covid either asymptomatic or thought it was a cold or whatever....which makes sense.....you already have antibodies which are fighting off what they think is the virus when you get the shot.

First shot makes guys horny as a three peckered goat! Hope the second shot works as well.😆

Wife and I have had both Pfizer shots, no problem.

When welk spayer, empty dumpster and jag sing in harmony some may say "hmmmm"

LOL


mike r

so you are a accident freak moron. that dosent have any common sense.

Do you have Covid? Get tested!

Get the second shot, or all this is for naught.

My daughter is a 24 year old nurse. She and some of her co-workers felt a little flu like for a couple of days after their second shot (I'm not sure if it was Pfizer or Moderna), yet others had no adverse reaction at all.

Hope you are feeling ok Simon...

On a lighter note...
By my count you lost your two front teeth three times...
The normal way,
The football way, and
The Hangliding way...

That's hat trick!
Did you get paid three times?
Did you get a hat trick bonus?

Enjoy some spring weather...
Some sunshine will be good for your immune system....

Damn, I missed that part also!!

Unfortunately, I already asked and the Nurse said the vaccine can only be inserted into a LARGE muscle.

Dude, if the engine and transmission in your car shared the same oil, they may have been related to your failure. You're "naïve" if you think vaccinations effect everyone the same way.

Just curious why anyone would get the shot once they have had covid. Your body has already built its natural defense, and immunity. I have heard of several people who got covid and recovered, and then got the shot and it made them really sick. It makes absolutely no sense to get vaccinated once you have had it.

I'm not a scientist nor do I play one on TV, however I do use google once in awhile.

from the link
The primary mechanism for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S., the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), reported 181 deaths — a subset of 7,844 total adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination — as of January 15, 2021. The VAERS reports describe outcomes ranging from "foaming at the mouth" to "massive heart attacks." According to Reuters, 10,595,866 individuals have received one or more COVID-19 vaccines as of January 15.

then when you go to the VAERS site and click on the data sets they say this......



VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

As for the death of the doctor reported in the story

one doctor has come forward publicly to say he also believes the vaccine caused Michael to develop acute idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), the disorder that killed him.

which is probably true, but it isn't specific to this vaccine..as the story goes on to say....

ITP is a well-known adverse event associated with vaccinations.

The vaccine most often implicated in ITP is the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, where the disease occurs in approximately 1 in every 25,000 to 40,000 doses of the vaccine, Redwood said.

ITP has also been associated with hepatitis A and B virus (HBV), human papilloma virus (HPV), varicella-zoster, diphteria-tetanus-acellular pertussis (DTap), polio and pneumococcus vaccines.

it could actually be caused by a chemical they use in the vaccine creation called PEG (I think) - going from memory here.

65 degree spring days does that to me.

Four other types COVID vaccines are being developed that don't use mRNA technology.

I got the Johnson & Johnson; zero problems.

found this interesting


For the millions of Americans now eligible to receive the Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, it’s recommended that everyone get two shots. The first dose of these mRNA vaccines trains the immune system to recognize and attack the spike protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The second dose, administered a few weeks later, boosts antibody levels to afford even better protection. People who’ve recovered from COVID-19 also should definitely get vaccinated to maximize protection against possible re-infection. But, because they already have some natural immunity, would just one shot do the trick? Or do they still need two?

A small, NIH-supported study, published as a pre-print on medRxiv, offers some early data on this important question [1]. The findings show that immune response to the first vaccine dose in a person who’s already had COVID-19 is equal to, or in some cases better, than the response to the second dose in a person who hasn’t had COVID-19. While much more research is needed—and I am definitely not suggesting a change in the current recommendations right now—the results raise the possibility that one dose might be enough for someone who’s been infected with SARS-CoV-2 and already generated antibodies against the virus.

These findings come from a research team led by Florian Krammer and Viviana Simon, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York. The researchers reasoned that for folks whose bodies have already produced antibodies following a COVID-19 infection, the first shot might act similarly to the second one in someone who hadn’t had the virus before. In fact, there was some anecdotal evidence suggesting that previously infected people were experiencing stronger evidence of an active immune response (sore arm, fever, chills, fatigue) than never-infected individuals after getting their first shots.

What did the antibodies show? To find out, the researchers enlisted the help of 109 people who’d received their first dose of mRNA vaccines made by either Pfizer or Moderna. They found that those who’d never been infected by SARS-CoV-2 developed antibodies at low levels within 9 to 12 days of receiving their first dose of vaccine.

But in 41 people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies prior to getting the first shot, the immune response looked strikingly different. They generated high levels of antibodies within just a few days of getting the vaccine. Compared across different time intervals, previously infected people had immune responses 10 to 20 times that observed in uninfected people. Following their second vaccine dose, it was roughly the same story. Antibody levels in those with a prior infection were about 10 times greater than the others.


Both vaccines were generally well tolerated. But, because their immune systems were already in high gear, people who were previously infected tended to have more symptoms following their first shot, such as pain and swelling at the injection site. They also were more likely to report other less common symptoms, including fatigue, fever, chills, headache, muscle aches, and joint pain
.

Another interesting read on what happens when you get the shot

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/what-happens-after-you-get-covid-19-vaccine

No one can give accurate information on what the long term effects of a cell altering mRNA vaccine will be.

It's never been used before except in small experimental functions so no long term data is available.

Basically, it's a short cut that makes your body produce antibodies, but unlike conventional vaccines, mRNA alters the composition of your body's cells to cause your body to produce the antibodies.

the takeaway from that article to me is that if you had Covid-19 before you get the first shot, its very possible your body will react as if its getting the second shot with all the associated symptoms.

I've wondered about that also.

If you've had COVID(19) there's no need to get the shot as you already have T-cell immunity.

My wife took the J&J also.

She woke up the next day achy and in a ornery mood, so I know it didn't affect her at all.

The wife and I got our second Moderna shot this morning.

did you do the math on the numbers presented in the opening of that story?

181 deaths/ 10,595,866 vaccinated = 1.708213373026801e-5 or somewhere in the neighborhood of 0.00017% dead if I got the decimal moved correctly. Even if I didn't.....................that's a really low number of deaths. Really low.

Statistically insignificant ..........................................unless perhaps you're one of the 181 dead or their families and friends.

In the past, the data crunchers found that the numbers reported to VAERS represent 1 to 10 percent of the actual number of side affect instances.

OK, if it's really only 10% being reported correctly, then change the decimal one place?

the real dead then = only .0.0017% dead ?

But the media and the Pharma companies won't tell them that because they want everyone to buy their vaccine. Mula mula mula

I am not a mathematician by any means, nor any kind of expert in this field, but I took it to mean only 1 to 10 percent of the problems get reported.

This would mean 90 to 99 percent were not reported, which would be, ( if those numbers are correct), 344 deaths (if it's 10%) or 360 deaths (if it's 1%).

Again, I don't claim to know, just trying to relay what I have read. There are other articles with more recent VAERS numbers that state 1500+ deaths. Of course, the total number of people vaccinated would also be higher.

If I can re-find any of those newer articles, I will post them up.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V9epnCfRUQxU/

Exactly. Start there. Possible that the old fashioned flu was contracted and independent of the Covid vax.

OTOH - vaccines are foriegn agents introduced to the human body to trigger an immune response, which is a very delicate and complicated cascade of events. It is not without risk or complication. Whey we are talking about 100 million people, there is a % that will have adverse reactions.

You could have 5000 people have an adverse reaction, but out of 100 million, that is 0.00005%. If you are one of that minute percentage, it suxs, but that does not mean the treatment is bogus. I repeat, it is not without risk.

Your nick name should be"LUCKY"

found this

"March 21, 2021 More than 439.3 million vaccine doses have been administered worldwide,"

We will see side effects.

Not only that....now they're talking about a 3rd shot so they can make more money.

But Donald and Melania got the shot after the 'Rona, why can't we?

Thanks hatari.

I'm still not sure the point will get across.

As I mentioned earlier, statistically insignificant number of adverse reactions based on those numbers. Unless you're one of the ones that had the reaction.

So, as someone that thinks Happy and Elky are, shall we say, "special," I would still point out that issues with vaccines don't usually show up in trials for a few years.

Right now, the reason to defer from the vaccine isn't because it's been shown to be unsafe, but because it has NOT been shown to BE safe.

That's where I stand on it basically.

I won't take the gene therapy ones, I will not take one that I know they used dead babies to create, and honestly they are pushing it so hard my inner contrarian resists by default, and my natural skepticism is blaring like an air raid siren that it's not a simple matter of wanting to protect us from a virus.

If a vaccine is shown to be safe, and did not make use of murdered children to develop I am not dead set against it in the future. But for now, over my dead fugking body.

Close family friends in their 60’s got the second shot and husband was just sore as hell for a day or so, wife got some form of Amnesia, can’t recall the scientific definition but she was [bleep] up for like 2 days , didn’t even know who her husband was, where she was, or what she was doing. They rushed her to the ER on day 3 and they monitored her and did some tests. Had no answers other than a small percentage of people get this. I was like WTF? It scared the crap out of them.

" How can you be in control of your affairs if you lose control over what goes into your body? But! Vaccines are the new and improved Jesus Christ! To reject vaccines is like rejecting the church during the Holy Inquisition! Heretics must be punished severely! “You will be taken before the Inquisitorial Tribunal (Mental Health Court)! There, the matter of your witchcraft (vaccine denial) will be decided!”

K22, I like your analogy.

L.W.

Gotta say I believe you, too.

This is quite literally the inevitable conclusion if the current game theory continues to play out. I believe we are capable of righting the ship, but it won't be by stomping out the opposing side and seizing back the power. The new boss becomes just like the old boss.

MM

I agree with that. I think it's coming and I pray soon.

Hey, I remember that song. It has sorta been my life long theme................."Won't get fooled again."