My daughter, an international teacher. stayed in Taiwan for 3 yrs. Then Cairo, Egypt for 5 yrs. She is done with Egypt and took a job in New Kingston , Jamaica. Has anyone been there ? What is it like. I am happy for her,,, , , , I really am, but the 1st thing I thought of is the ocean fishing I could do. Anyone go ocean fishing there? Is it safe??? Where she is , it should be. Any pictures? Thanks in advance.

Kingston is a very dangerous high crime city. The fishing is ok around the island. Not known for great ocean fishing but ok. Fishing is done offshore on charter boats and it ain’t cheap. Offshore Charter boats around $1000 a day for a cheaper ones

Hope she can find housing in a gated secure housing area. There are safe pockets around the island where tourists go but they gated and have security.


As a white guy you cant just go travel around the island checking stuff out. Like Chicago with more sun and sand

It has a travel advisory, gang violence is apparently getting out of hand, other than that it sounds nice.

First thing I always think of is Screwface from Marked for Death

Well,.....no.

It's not safe.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...ladvisories/jamaica-travel-advisory.html

Yes!!!!

Whoa. Not good. For people.

Not only unsafe, it is insane, and has been for many years. Tell your girl to bail out ASAP.

Jamaica and Haiti have much in common.......

Does she listen to bob marley

Yes. Like white rapes and killings where perps are never found or prosecuted.

Some white people just have a death wish.

This took awhile to load so here is a cut and paste. Sounds like your daughter has an adventuresome spirit..... so probably not much chance of talking her out of this?


Jamaica Travel Advisory
Travel Advisory
October 5, 2022Jamaica - Level 3: Reconsider Travel
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Last Update: Reissued with updates to health information.

Reconsider travel to Jamaica due to crime. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory.

Do Not Travel to:

The below-listed areas of Clarendon Parish due to crime.
The below-listed areas of Hanover Parish due to crime.
The below-listed areas of Kingston and St. Andrew Parish due to crime.
The below-listed areas of Montego Bay due to crime.
The below-listed areas of St. Ann Parish due to crime.
The below-listed areas of St. Catherine Parish due to crime.
The below-listed areas of St. James Parish due to crime.
The below-listed area of Westmoreland Parish due to crime.
Country Summary: Violent crimes, such as home invasions, armed robberies, sexual assaults, and homicides, are common. Sexual assaults occur frequently, including at all-inclusive resorts. Local police lack the resources to respond effectively to serious criminal incidents. Emergency services vary throughout the island, and response times may vary from U.S. standards. The homicide rate reported by the Government of Jamaica has for several years been among the highest in the Western Hemisphere. U.S. government personnel are prohibited from traveling to areas listed below, from using public buses, and from driving outside of prescribed areas of Kingston at night.

Read the country information page for additional information on travel to Jamaica.

If you decide to travel to Jamaica:

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19 page before planning any international travel, and read the Embassy COVID-19 page for country-specific COVID-19 information.
Avoid walking or driving at night.
Avoid public buses.
Avoid secluded places or situations.
Do not physically resist any robbery attempt.
Be aware of your surroundings and keep a low profile.
Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
Review the Country Security Report for Jamaica.
Prepare a contingency plan for emergency situations. Review the Traveler’s Checklist.
Visit the CDC page for the latest Travel Health Information related to your travel.
Areas of Clarendon Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of Clarendon Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:

All of Clarendon Parish, except passing through Clarendon Parish using the T1 and A2 highways.
Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas..

Areas of Hanover Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of Hanover Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:

Logwood and Orange Bay
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Areas of Kingston and St. Andrew Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of Kingston. Do not travel to the following areas:

Cassava Piece
Downtown Kingston, defined as between Mountain View Avenue and Hagley Park Road, and south of Half Way Tree and Old Hope Roads. Downtown Kingston includes Arnett Gardens, Cockburn Gardens, Denham Town, Olympic Gardens, Seaview Gardens, Trench Town, and Tivoli Gardens.
Duhaney Park
Grants Pen
Standpipe
Swallowfield
Elleston Flats
August Town
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Areas of Montego Bay – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of Montego Bay. Do not travel to the following areas:

Canterbury
Flankers
Glendevon
Mount Salem
Norwood
Paradise Heights
Rose Heights
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Areas of St. Ann Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of St. Ann Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:

Steer Town
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Areas of St. Catherine Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of St. Catherine Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:

Spanish Town
Central Village
Certain areas within Portmore to include: Naggo Head, New Land, Old Braeton, and Waterford
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Areas of St. James Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of St. James Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:
Cambridge
Springmount
Johns Hall
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Areas of Westmoreland Parish – Level 4: Do Not Travel

Violence and shootings occur regularly in some areas of Westmoreland Parish. Do not travel to the following areas:

Russia community in Savanna-la-Mar (The Southeastern quadrant of Savannah la Mar east of Darling Street and south of the A2 highway/Barracks Road)
The Whitehall neighborhood of east Negril

I'll be there next week. 👍🏿

I don't know Jamaica but if she made it through Cairo she probably has a good nose for people who want to do her harm. Cairo is a dump and if you are obviously not from there, like any White person would be it is a continuous stream of scammers trying to get nickel off you, at its best.

It doesnt sound good.

3% white is what we call a clue.

About 25 years ago. I swore then I'd never go back. Can't imagine it's a better place now.

A white woman in a country full of black bastards. What do you think?

Jamaica is the second most dangerous country in the world in 2022,...murder rate of 43.85 per 100,000. In other words, the entire country has the same murder rate as Memphis, Tennessee.

Kingston and St. James are particularly violent.

In contrast, Cairo, Egypt has a murder rate of 10.6 per 100,000.

My personal opinion, your daughter will return shortly with a different opinion than she has now.

She will end up like Natalee Holloway

From what alot have said.

She shouldn't go, no matter how street smart from her travels she might think she is...

Just saying......

I’d go to the resorts, wouldn’t be chillin in Kingston though

Lots of safe places in the Carribean for her to teach.

I got married in Negril Jamaica on a cliff, should have jumped off! It was a Dredlock Holiday. LOL

Very potent Rum and Pot.

KB

Don't like Jamaica, Oh No, I am never going back!

The pay must be incredibly for her to take a contract there.

Pay aside, I hope your daughter bails on the Jamaica gig.

🦫

This. Resorts vs general public are two different things.
I'm going to Jamaica next week with my wife. We won't be leaving our high end resort. Only going because it is a conference. Completely paid for by one of our suppliers.
I have an uncle who is in and out of Jamaica all the time for work. He has been my source of information on what is and isn't safe.

That crazy weekend in Jamaica!

What a bunch of old ladies on this site...

Pulled into Jamaica once with the USN. Pretty much a shi+hole if you ask me.

"Jamaica?"
"No, I didn't get to first base."

As jackmountain and rum7 stated, resorts are safe. No way in hell I'm going to Kingston.

On the flip side, I've had more than one bartender complain about how people get killed everyday up in the hills with machetes and the police do nothing........ but if they rob a tourist the police take the into the jungle and shoot them twice and the chest. No trial.

Works for me.

Been to Jamaica 15 times. Going again in a month. Resort stay is fine. Negril and MB and Ochoa Rio are fine. Rest is sheethole.

Jamaicans don’t even feel safe visiting family in Kingston. It is the Detroit of Jamaica.

Where in world they come up with a city named Negril in Jamaica 🤷‍♂️

I was there in 1978. Absolute 3rd world type of schithole.

I doubt if it’s gotten better.

I can’t figure out why someone would leave America to live in some 3rd world shothole.

Total shi-t hole. And dangerous as hell. The last time I was there was over 12 years ago and you couldn’t venture out past the walls of the resort you were in or the marina you docked at. I said I would never have a reason to go back to that festering dump.

The locals say the mud shark fishing is pretty good

Even Harry Belafonte said Farewell to Jamaica (about 65 years ago).

I guess the consensus is that if the young lady is taking a teaching position inside one of the all-included resorts she'll be fine.

My oldest daughter has pulled the same,Thailand,Mumbai,Nepal.
She is a N.Y.C. school teacher now,lower east side,but Kingston ? I'd pull the plug on that one for sure.

Avoid the Groid

Or even to visit.

Ihookem. Your daughter apparently has some sort of sympathy towards minorities. Eventually it is going to catch up with her in a third world country. You are not going to like dealing with the aftermath. She is not worth what she is in United States. She just hasn’t figured that out yet. Women think our values extend beyond our borders. They do not.
GreggH

I can't figure out why people go someplace where they're not wanted.

Caucasians and Jamaicans have a history. That's why there's virtually no Caucasians there *now*. Generally speaking, Caucasians have moved on and never give such matters any thought. But the Jamaicans haven't forgotten.

100+ years after the fact Bob Marley was still singing about it:

~~~Old pirates, yes, they rob I, sold I to the merchant ships
Minutes after they took I from the bottomless pit~~~

After she arrives.... you need to stay near the phone.... for her kidnapers will be calling......

You should talk her out of it. Convince her it's a chithole.

I worked and lived in New Kingston from 2000 to 2006. I had an apartment on Oxford road behind the US Embassy which has since moved. I had a second apartment on Hanning Rd. right around the corner and in direct view of the Pegasus hotel.

As an alfa white male with a jar head hair cut i never had any trouble and worked the entire country. If she follows through with this she needs to do several things.
She needs to learn patwa so she doesn't sound like a stupid tourist. Next she needs to hire a dedicated driver and not drive around by herself. She must never go to bank to deposit or withdraw cash. Many robberies are inside jobs with people getting jumped after they leave bank. She needs to setup direct deposit of her paycheck.

New Kingston is the safest part of Kingston. The Red Hills above Kingston is where the money people live and there are some real nice homes there. She should be able to find a decent apartment in New Kingston for about $1,000 Us per month.

Most of the homes and apartments have steel security gates on windows and doors, These must always be locked. She doesn't need to worry about Hurricanes as the buildings are all built from concrete. I lived through 2 large Hurricanes with no problem.

Rolling black outs are common as is water cutoff.

Thats about it and wish her good luck!

One visit 25 years ago.

Never again.

My wife spent a few weeks or so there when she was doing volunteer health care on the USS Comfort. One of the navy health care ships that travels around giving free health care. She mostly slept on the ship but went on land to provide free health care everyday.

She had an armed military escort when on land and had to be back in board before dark. She said it wasn't safe there and i worried quite a bit until she was home. It was about 11 years ago though and a lot can change in that amount of time.

Bb

Much to my surprise the Peace Corps still operates in Jamaica, even 40+ years ago it had a reputation for violent crime and rape.

About 15 years ago the Peace Corps caught a lot of justified flack for underplaying the seriousness of the problem worldwide, not just Jamaica, mostly falling upon the naive young women expecting everyone to treat them like American men did. As a result of the outrage Peace Corps cleaned up their act a lot.

A long way of saying I trust these 2019 crime stats for Peace Corps Volunteers serving in Jamaica.

https://files.peacecorps.gov/documents/Jamaica_CHET_OSS.pdf

Note the exit surveys where 95% of Volunteers felt safe where they worked and 91% where they lived. They ain’t gonna put them in the sticks in a place like Jamaica, most would be placed in more secure settings like where your daughter is prob’ly gonna go.

When viewing the exit surveys and crime stats however be aware it represents both sexes, and about 45% of the Volunteers will have been men, far less likely to suffer sexual assault.

So the 3.3% rate of rape could be around 7% for women during two years of service , more than one in twenty. Likewise the 6.6% rate of non-aggravated sexual assault (groping etc) could be closer to 15% or one in seven for women.

These are appalling statistics but again most of these incidents would have fallen upon naive young women, your daughter is likely a lot more savvy than that.

It's common in very white, northern states. They are ate up with it.

My time as a correctional officer taught me a few things. The general idea that Jamaicans just want to sit in the sand and smoke their ganga while beating on their drums is ridiculous. They are the most violent, soulless, people I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Keep your daughter out of that Hell hole at all costs.

Haven't been there....now I won't.

Blockade and quarantine the island.

So she's got that goin' for her..

BBC....

British musta had a sense of humor😄

The root of the word is black. Maybe black cliffs, black eels, or residents?

From wikipedia:

So, the name precedes the 1st black people to reach the new world by many years. It has nothing to do with slaves.

I've been the cliffs of Negril numerous time and mixed it up with the locals, but it's been ten years and not sure what it's like now. Kingston was a no-go for me even back then. You can't be weak wherever you are in JA or you will be taken advantage of. It's not scary or physical, but Jamaicans can be intense. I love the place and the people.

I looked up the U.S. State Dept. travel advisories and a good bit of Western Europe is under an exercise increased caution advisory. What's up with that? Are the U.K., Denmark, and France getting dangerous? I am not talking about pickpockets.

You mean it isn't like Wakanda?

Check out the number of Muslim refugees in each of those countries.

As long as they have strict gun laws she oughta be safe.


I’d do everything in my power to talk my daughter out of that.

Four year of university, 8 years saving the world, puts your daughter right at age 30. Add another 5 years and she's at the age of geriatric pregnancy. If she wants a family and kids, it's time for her to settle down some place civilized and find herself a man.



If a family and kids are not a concern for her, regardless, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Make sure her will is up to date before she leaves.

Excellent advice.

I’ve been there on business and would not let any of my family live there, period.

I am glad she is not my daughter ! better talk or whoop some sense into her quick !

Hope everything works out ok, but I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to move to Jamaica.

White wimmins don't mix real well with feral negroes.

Never been to Jamaica but was in Puerto Rico for business one week. Maybe better maybe worse. Right away, the shuttle bus to the resort was driven by a guy that identified as a NASCAR driver at Bristol. And the ones headed the other way were too. Thought several times we’d slapped mirrors. I mean they didn’t stop for anything and could not have driven any faster. The view from the road was eye opening. It was Gangsta Hood City. Saw two dead horses on the roadside. One had been there quite a while. Surprised nobody ate them. We were told on arrival don’t go outside the gate. Went to the marina for charter fishing and the ride there and back was the same.

Like I said that wasn’t Jamaica, but I’m pretty sure they’re sisters. I’m not making a trip to Jam to find out.

Kinda like Jefferson Parish in Louisiana, or East Baton Rouge Parish...........

I have been there, not in a resort. It is what the Donald referred to as a [bleep] country.

Jefferson parish is fine. I live here. It’s Orleans and Baton Rouge one needs to worry about.

Clyde

Ive been to Jamaica 2x, last time was over a decade ago. EACH time ive gotten into situations during the day, in public that were very sketchy. If she is white and attractive, she will not be safe anywhere on the island in public alone. From what ive heard its gotten worse since Ive been there. Im 6"2 and was in decent shape and got into a couple situations that nearly got out of hand. That island is no place for a single woman to spend any time alone.

It's Norwegian land. Any Swede who goes there is a dumbazz.

I’ll be the one who goes against the conventional “grain” since I was an adventurous young man myself. Living life afraid of everything is no way to live. Seeking danger WILL eventually require her and those that love her to question whether adventure is synonymous with danger. Dangers can be mitigated but eventually the piper comes calling. Your daughter is obviously more worldly and well versed in the ways of the world than most of those telling her to lock herself in her closet and hide from the world but she’s also subject to complacency since she’s used to” the higher danger level.

I’d be inclined to view this phase (Jamaica) of her career as a “break even” phase, meaning that she (mom and dad too?) will be spending more money on security and safe housing and not saving. If it were my daughter I would be headed to Kingston to get her safely settled and properly protected. A private security detail might be a smart investment at least until she gets a “lay of the land” and a more accurate security assessment down the road.

Whatever she does I hope she stays safe and her time there is worthwhile.

Nobody needs a 30 round magazine???

I'd rather have belt fed if that's what I'm looking at.

Compelling.

Perfect for an MG-42

Exactly

Thanks.

Or maybe she's one of those women who has bought into the false narrative about race that's being spit out by the left.

There's nothing wrong with being adventuresome. But when the State Department stops releasing crime data on a country, there's a reason.

It's not a good reason.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...nt-american-tourists-jamaica/1796973001/

A few years ago Jamaica was known as rape island because of the very high rate of rape and assaults of white female tourists.

I lived and worked world all over the world in some pretty schitty areas including the Caribbean, Mid East, Africa and I pretty much know what countries to avoid. Jamaica ( where rape culture is embraced) is one of those places, just like Baltimore and east St Louis. lol

Id go to most African countries over Jamaica any day

Maybe…

There's a difference between living life afraid and locking yourself in a closet vs. going to one of the most dangerous cities in the world trying to help those who don't give a rat's ass about her.