Browning Man Accused of Shooting Neighbor with Crossbow Pleads Guilty Alonzo Gene Skunkcap faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine
JANUARY 10, 2024 A 22-year-old Browning man accused of shooting and injuring his neighbor with a crossbow on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation admitted to an assault charge today, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
Alonzo Gene Skunkcap pleaded guilty to an assault with a dangerous weapon charge before Chief U.S. District Court Judge Brian M. Morris. He faces a maximum of 10 years in prison, a $250,000 fine and three years of supervised release.
According to court documents, Skunkcap on Oct. 1, 2023 was outside of his residence and a male neighbor was in his driveway working on a vehicle when Skunkcap threatened to shoot his dog. The neighbor responded that if Skunkcap shot his dog, he would shoot Skunkcap.
Skunkcap then retrieved a crossbow from his residence and fired it at the neighbor, who was standing by a fence. The bolt, or arrow, pierced the side of his neck.
After the assault, Skunkcap went back into his house and waited for law enforcement. When officers arrived, he told them he shot his neighbor because he didn’t know how to deal with threats, that he was scared and just went with his “instinct.”
The neighbor removed the bolt himself, suffered two puncture wounds and sought medical attention. He did not suffer a serious or life-threatening injury.
Skunkcap’s sentencing hearing is scheduled for May 15. He was detained pending further proceedings.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Kalah A. Paisley is prosecuting the case. The Blackfeet Law Enforcement Services and FBI conducted the investigation.
I worked with a Hotshot crew from Browning many years ago. They were all hard working folks and very honest. That said, they also advised me to NEVER stay on the reservation.
Browning MT was the last place I felt "uncomfortable" as an adult male in broad daylight. I stopped for fuel, took a spin through the pawn shop to see what guns they had and headed out of town.
My dad's cousin was a surveyor out of Whitefish and spent lots of time all the way around and on the Blackfeet Reservation. He's gotten along very well all the way around. He told me when/if I needed to start up a conversation that I should start slow and not necessarily look the person directly in the eye right off until things warmed up a bit. Due to my upbringing, my initial instinct is to look everyone directly in the eye right off. Major cultural difference I guess.
Had a guy on the crew arrested on the job one day for shooting at his neighbor, he said he didn’t know why everyone was freaking out, it was just a .22lr.
I thought I was going to be raped one time at the Town Dump (Pump) in Browning….that town can be rough.
I’ve been to all reservations in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, as well as a few in the Dakotas and many native villages in Alaska. Some are good, many, many are not but Browning was the worst as far as living conditions and quality of life, from a cursory glance.
Another attempted murder on a reservation, is another day on a reservation. The only thing really interesting, was the guy pulling out the bolt! That in itself makes the story!
If it wasn’t for the “fact” that the 22 year couldn’t own firearms due to previous DVs that crossbow could’ve been a rifle or buckshot.
I don’t know if the kid can’t own firearms but I can read between the lines.
Do you think someone dumb or lawless enough to threaten or shoot someone with a crossbow because he ‘didn’t know how to deal with threats’ would obey a court order to not possess a firearm?
when I was in the USARMY I knew a few Native Americans and they always told stories about things that would happen on a reservation after a bunch of beer had been consumed
If it wasn’t for the “fact” that the 22 year couldn’t own firearms due to previous DVs that crossbow could’ve been a rifle or buckshot.
I don’t know if the kid can’t own firearms but I can read between the lines.
Do you think someone dumb or lawless enough to threaten or shoot someone with a crossbow because he ‘didn’t know how to deal with threats’ would obey a court order to not possess a firearm?
In his defense, it's hard to guess what really stupid people are going to do or say.
Doesn't the tribe have their own police force? Most of the tribes down here do - and fight outside interference - until their cops can't handle it. Then it's everybody else's fault for "not doing enough".
Doesn't the tribe have their own police force? Most of the tribes down here do - and fight outside interference - until their cops can't handle it. Then it's everybody else's fault for "not doing enough".
I worked on the Rez for Mississippi Band of Choctaws as a school principal for 4 years. The last 4 months of which I could legally carry a firearm while in the performance of my job. Other than Law and Order ( Choctaw popo), only 3 others were allowed to do so, a judge and 2 game wardens. There’s a story on how this came to be. Had 3 kids misbehaving on a bus, cursing, wouldn’t stay in assigned seats, would not mind the driver. So I suspended them off the bus for 3 days Mom and Dad are separated and Dad is a bad alcoholic who’s killed 3 people with DUIs. To top it off he poured gas on the wife’s face and set her on fire, causing her to resemble a female Freddy Kruger. She has to take her push mower and go to his house and cut his grass. He goes on drunken binges and beats the hell out of her and the kids on a regular basis like every weekend. He asks how the kids are doing in school and why she has take kids to school She said I put em off the bus for no reason. So he shows up at school first thing when nobody’s there but me, the custodians have a bus route and teachers haven’t arrived. He barges in and starts in on me making accusations and I invite him to leave. He refuses and I pick up the phone to call Law and Order 35 miles away. He hits me and the fight is on. I wrap him up kneed him in the nuts and we go round and round and out my office and into the outter office. I finally told why they were put off the bus and that the family lied so’s not to get the hell beat out of em yet again. He calms down says he fu _ _ed up now and leaves. I call it in, L & O arrives an hour later and chiefs secretary calls to check on me. We go to court 4 months later and he is sentenced to $250 fine and 90 days in jail. Don’t know it either happened as I left and moved back to the Delta to be nearer to aging parents. Saw him a few years later at Mickey Ds and he gave me the stink eye. Things are very different in a sovereign nation and contracts are not worth the paper they’re written on. Politics and power moves are rampant. Like tap dancing in a mine field. No stability there. You the minority.
Unless you have been there, you don’t get the full impact of reservation life. Rez Indians have been born and bred in a welfare society that hasn’t progressed past their inherent culture that still hasn’t merged successfully with the white culture.
Drug and alcohol dependency is prolific and if they aren’t using, they have been or will be. I have real good friends on the Cheyenne Rez at Lame Deer and there is no getting the Rez out of the Indian, regardless of getting the Indian out of the Rez.
Being Indian is not all bad, no matter where you go, you always have a reservation…
I brung a bunch of blankets and winter clothing in my pickup up to Pine Ridge in February of ‘84 while driving around looking at grad schools. Had to wait out a blizzard happening over in Colorado so I stayed four or five days with some longhairs trying to live traditional and stay out of trouble. I’m recalling a guy with four sets of Sundance scars on his chest.
Twenty years later I drove through again, north - south headed for Nebraska. The increase in population and housing was stunning, along with young teenagers pushing baby carriages, children with no life skills having children. On top of that the appalling rate of fetal alcohol syndrome. What I’ve been told too is the power of Cartels whatever operating n reservations north to south.
We had a couple come down and stay with us for a couple of months to escape the violence. He adapted well, found construction work, she couldn’t take it, it was like America was a foreign country.
So ya, I can understand Pine Ridge being in crisis. I will say if 50% are alcoholics whatever there’s the other 50% that ain’t. Don’t overlook the good people fighting the good fight.
From what I've seen, they have no incentive to change the bad things to positive things.
They have no incentive to better themselves.
Very socialistic society.
When ventures into profitable or needed areas happen, they usually lose interest and end up being part of the problem rather than the solution.
I know of one casino at least that is staffed nearly entirely of non-tribe white people. I asked why, and was told by a council member that the tribe members hired would not show up for work.
One encounter I had which involved many police on the rez at a situation, I was surprised to see white guys as the police. I again asked why, and he said most of them were white, and US veterans, and that the native people were corrupt, had no interest in policing themselves, and the candidate pool for police was nonexistent.
Even in the ranching end of the rez, where proceeds go to the common account to be distributed was a failure, and the rez ended up just leasing the land by parcels to white ranchers who would actually ranch it, and pay for the lease.
I have land in Wisconsin about 3 miles from the Menominee Res. I also have a cousin that married a half indian half Mexican... She is a very good mom and very hard worker. Her sisters and mother are too. One of her sisters is such a nice looking woman . Long straight hair, not in the least bit out of shape . They are all polite to me,, however , they are not in the least bit interested neither. These people make a good living . One works for United Health Care from home, one manages a coffee packing plant , mom works the casino. Many on the res , however are not like that however. I have property on the Red River that is near the res and a park that was donated to the town. You could go there for free and jump in the river and sit on the rocks . Me , brother and dad canoed there many times. Now it is closed cause there is litter, needles, sleeping bags and other things left from them. When I canoed it 45 yrs. ago ,, it was so prestine and unspoiled.
Unless you have been there, you don’t get the full impact of reservation life. Rez Indians have been born and bred in a welfare society that hasn’t progressed past their inherent culture that still hasn’t merged successfully with the white culture.
Drug and alcohol dependency is prolific and if they aren’t using, they have been or will be. I have real good friends on the Cheyenne Rez at Lame Deer and there is no getting the Rez out of the Indian, regardless of getting the Indian out of the Rez.
Being Indian is not all bad, no matter where you go, you always have a reservation…
That reservation has become a very dark place. And gets darker by day. The people have always demanded more independence, the bleeding hearts give it, and it comes to worse. More death and terrible crime hidden there than any whites know except those that are close.
Do any of the squaws on the reservations look good enough for a white man to take notice of? Maybe a white sugar daddy could help climb a little higher on the poverty heap.
I was quite friendly with four smokin' hot native girls. Two were from way south closer to Texas than Montana tribes but they moved up here. Two local girls.
And as far as I know they all married and did just fine.
Sitting here now with my boring white woman....lol
I always laugh when guys ask about the native girls. I marriied a half russian, half native beauty. Her immediate family are ranchers and accountants. She was an accountant, prior to retiring.
One of the guys I knew in the USARMY that lived on a rez told us a story about a young man demanding a large amount of money from his grandfather. He refused to give him a dime and the young man made a horrible scene in front of the neighbors, smashed windows out of his grandfathers mobile home, yelling and screaming etc. One of the neighbors drug the young man out of the mobile home and beat him to a pulp. Told him if he called the white men he would be back and beat him worse. The police never showed up
I live 15 miles off the rez with lots of friends from there. The only successful ones come to our public school and excel in athletics. If they touch drugs or alcohol....they're screwed.
With all the other problems Browning Rez has they have alot of young woman and girls go missing. I meet a rancher ( Browning Native) about 15 years ago who lets me shoot sage rats on his ground very nice guy and successful.
There is a Creek Reservation in south Alabama. The Poarch Reservation is on I-65. They have a great truck stop and I spent the night there in the big rig over 50 times. I guess they missed the orders from Andrew Jackson in 1836 to go to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears.
The reservation surrounds the truck stop, I saw a bunch of prosperous looking small houses and farms there among the Indians, only a few trailers. It didn't look at all like the run-down decrepit pics of reservations displayed in this thread. Like any big truck stop, there were dozens of employees there but none were Indians, mostly local white gals were employed there.
One day I saw a new hire there, big slender guy about 6-4, long straight dark black hair and olive-brown skin obviously an Indian, he was sweeping the parking lot. I went up to him and started talking to him. I asked him if he was a Creek and he said, no, he was Korean. Yeah, a six foot four Korean, I guess that was an inside joke.
JeffA: "Things" are NOT getting better on the reservations! Alcohol, marijuana, meth, fentanyl and abused prescription drugs are destroying lives and culture on most reservations I am familiar with. Sad. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
JeffA: "Things" are NOT getting better on the reservations! Alcohol, marijuana, meth, fentanyl and abused prescription drugs are destroying lives and culture on most reservations I am familiar with. Sad. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Pretty much what we see down here. The casinos are a huge financial boom for the reservations. Most of the tribes use some of that income to pay the tribal members a monthly stipend. There are always exceptions but most of the tribal members use that money to buy drugs and alcohol. They have no interest in bettering themselves. Or they think it is futile.
I was up north of the rez not long ago in Colstrip and working in a place was one of the most beautiful young women I’ve ever seen, looked full blood. Im not sure if Crow or Shylala just going by the area. All of 5’ 11, slender with legs to the moon and a striking face. I sure hope she gets discovered, beauty like that should not go to waste.
Living here in Appalachia West...we get a unique view of the American Injun and the white man side by side in similar situations. The little lumber towns, and some not so little, are the white man's Rez equivalent. When the Spotted Owl, Marbled Murralet, Sierra Club, 9th Circuit and mostly NAFTA destroyed the wood products industry in the west, tens of thousands family wage jobs disappeared overnight, then the businesses...with no hope of recovery. Imagine Youngstown, Detroit on just a slightly smaller scale. Wood products industry, by it's nature, was mostly centered outside large urban zones. Overnight, your job was gone, your home was worthless, no hope of any job better than pumping gas...and lucky to get that. Unemployed dads, angry wives, disillusioned children. It was the same story as the rust belt. Where did these people turn? Same as Youngstown or Bethlehem...Divorce, drugs, alcohol, welfare, food stamps, despair. A white Rez in all but name. A few scraped together enough to flee toward jobs and hope, kept their families intact...most didn't. It ain't the Injun regardless of color...it's the system.
Osky: A few summers ago I was Hunting Varmints just east of the Cheyenne Indian Reservation here in Montana. I headed for the town of Ashland to get fuel and some food one afternoon and as I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians passed out on the ground in front of the towns only tavern. This, in a town of maybe 550 people? Now out of morbid curiosity I circle back and try to park the VarmintMobile without squishing a sprawled out Indian. For those not familiar Ashland it is on the very east border of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation - and reportedly that rez is "dry" (no alcohol allowed or sold there)? I go inside the bar and order a cold beer and strike up a conversation with the gentleman bartender. I eventually get around to mentioning the sleeping drunk Indians and his interactions with them. He relayed how the Indian folks often only have two or three beers and become intensely intoxicated. He and I commiserated on the plight (sorry state) of so many of the young Indian males. Several decades before this recent scenario I used to "bribe" my way onto that reservation to Hunt Prairie Dogs and did so for several years. I eventually quit Hunting there as it was just to risky dealing with all the intoxicated drivers and the newly growing numbers of militant/racist and meth fueled Indian folks. Like ALL reservations in Montana I plan my travels across them in the early/mid morning daylight hours ONLY. Sad that. I have visited the St. LaBre Catholic Indian school there in Ashland several times and indeed there are MANY beautiful young Indian girls in that area - they seem to "lose" their loveliness once into their late twenties IMO/IME! I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist as I am 25% Montana Indian myself (quarter breed - father was a half breed) but in so many instances the Indian people fall prey to the demon rum and all manner of drug abuse. Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution, that has not been tried over the decades? Had a lot of great Hunts (Antelope, Mule Deer and Varmint) out of Colstrip - neat country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Osky: A few summers ago I was Hunting Varmints just east of the Cheyenne Indian Reservation here in Montana. I headed for the town of Ashland to get fuel and some food one afternoon and as I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians passed out on the ground in front of the towns only tavern. This, in a town of maybe 550 people? Now out of morbid curiosity I circle back and try to park the VarmintMobile without squishing a sprawled out Indian. For those not familiar Ashland it is on the very east border of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation - and reportedly that rez is "dry" (no alcohol allowed or sold there)? I go inside the bar and order a cold beer and strike up a conversation with the gentleman bartender. I eventually get around to mentioning the sleeping drunk Indians and his interactions with them. He relayed how the Indian folks often only have two or three beers and become intensely intoxicated. He and I commiserated on the plight (sorry state) of so many of the young Indian males. Several decades before this recent scenario I used to "bribe" my way onto that reservation to Hunt Prairie Dogs and did so for several years. I eventually quit Hunting there as it was just to risky dealing with all the intoxicated drivers and the newly growing numbers of militant/racist and meth fueled Indian folks. Like ALL reservations in Montana I plan my travels across them in the early/mid morning daylight hours ONLY. Sad that. I have visited the St. LaBre Catholic Indian school there in Ashland several times and indeed there are MANY beautiful young Indian girls in that area - they seem to "lose" their loveliness once into their late twenties IMO/IME! I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist as I am 25% Montana Indian myself (quarter breed - father was a half breed) but in so many instances the Indian people fall prey to the demon rum and all manner of drug abuse. Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution, that has not been tried over the decades? Had a lot of great Hunts (Antelope, Mule Deer and Varmint) out of Colstrip - neat country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Mild Varmint.. head a little west to Lame and on that stop sign highway intersction in town on a decent afternoon by 2:30 there are plenty in terrible shape around the gas station, across the street along the grocery store, and across south there in that empty lot. By 5:30 on that decent day there are dozens and dozens strewn around in a bad way.
Never should have given the people money. Whites came along with it and have preyed on the natives since. Being given the land they then should have gotten livestock, seed, tools, implements, and doctors. They would have figured it out. The absolute worse thing that was ever taken from the people was consequence. The bleeding hearts still keep that from the people to assuage their own consciences. It is the cancer that keeps killing the soul of the people, the same as it does all other races. Even the members in position of power on tribal council and in other authoritative position see the cancer and allow it, it leaves them free rein on the tribal finances, tribal mayhem hides their greed.
There are a few old members left, hardworking, running small spreads with beef on the Rez. The nearby ranchers off Rez are happy to work with them and vice versa. These are ranchers first, Indians second. They are aging however, soon enough to be gone. The people have such low self esteem they cannot police themselves, but won’t let outsiders do it either. See the above. Never understood how a closed society like the Rez could have so many fragrantly making drugs, supplying booze, and the other cancers that hook the youth with devastating consequences, ruining countless lives. There are ditches and canyons and even caves in that land well suited for body “disposal” if you will. I wish they would utilize them.
Other than passing thru I spend no time on that or any other Rez. There I see only cloudy sky’s over a beautiful land, elsewhere I see the sun.
Osky: A few summers ago I was Hunting Varmints just east of the Cheyenne Indian Reservation here in Montana. I headed for the town of Ashland to get fuel and some food one afternoon and as I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians passed out on the ground in front of the towns only tavern. This, in a town of maybe 550 people? Now out of morbid curiosity I circle back and try to park the VarmintMobile without squishing a sprawled out Indian. For those not familiar Ashland it is on the very east border of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation - and reportedly that rez is "dry" (no alcohol allowed or sold there)? I go inside the bar and order a cold beer and strike up a conversation with the gentleman bartender. I eventually get around to mentioning the sleeping drunk Indians and his interactions with them. He relayed how the Indian folks often only have two or three beers and become intensely intoxicated. He and I commiserated on the plight (sorry state) of so many of the young Indian males. Several decades before this recent scenario I used to "bribe" my way onto that reservation to Hunt Prairie Dogs and did so for several years. I eventually quit Hunting there as it was just to risky dealing with all the intoxicated drivers and the newly growing numbers of militant/racist and meth fueled Indian folks. Like ALL reservations in Montana I plan my travels across them in the early/mid morning daylight hours ONLY. Sad that. I have visited the St. LaBre Catholic Indian school there in Ashland several times and indeed there are MANY beautiful young Indian girls in that area - they seem to "lose" their loveliness once into their late twenties IMO/IME! I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist as I am 25% Montana Indian myself (quarter breed - father was a half breed) but in so many instances the Indian people fall prey to the demon rum and all manner of drug abuse. Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution, that has not been tried over the decades? Had a lot of great Hunts (Antelope, Mule Deer and Varmint) out of Colstrip - neat country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Mild Varmint.. head a little west to Lame and on that stop sign highway intersction in town on a decent afternoon by 2:30 there are plenty in terrible shape around the gas station, across the street along the grocery store, and across south there in that empty lot. By 5:30 on that decent day there are dozens and dozens strewn around in a bad way.
Never should have given the people money. Whites came along with it and have preyed on the natives since. Being given the land they then should have gotten livestock, seed, tools, implements, and doctors. They would have figured it out. The absolute worse thing that was ever taken from the people was consequence. The bleeding hearts still keep that from the people to assuage their own consciences. It is the cancer that keeps killing the soul of the people, the same as it does all other races. Even the members in position of power on tribal council and in other authoritative position see the cancer and allow it, it leaves them free rein on the tribal finances, tribal mayhem hides their greed.
There are a few old members left, hardworking, running small spreads with beef on the Rez. The nearby ranchers off Rez are happy to work with them and vice versa. These are ranchers first, Indians second. They are aging however, soon enough to be gone. The people have such low self esteem they cannot police themselves, but won’t let outsiders do it either. See the above. Never understood how a closed society like the Rez could have so many fragrantly making drugs, supplying booze, and the other cancers that hook the youth with devastating consequences, ruining countless lives. There are ditches and canyons and even caves in that land well suited for body “disposal” if you will. I wish they would utilize them.
Other than passing thru I spend no time on that or any other Rez. There I see only cloudy sky’s over a beautiful land, elsewhere I see the sun.
Osky
That is definitely all true. The ability/opportunity not to work, and perhaps even the reservations themselves, are a curse on the natives and their children - generation after generation.
I don’t believe that that there is a lot of racism around here toward them - stereotyping yes, racism no. Most people are happy to see a native succeeding, other than other natives anyway.
Osky: A few summers ago I was Hunting Varmints just east of the Cheyenne Indian Reservation here in Montana. I headed for the town of Ashland to get fuel and some food one afternoon and as I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians passed out on the ground in front of the towns only tavern. This, in a town of maybe 550 people? Now out of morbid curiosity I circle back and try to park the VarmintMobile without squishing a sprawled out Indian. For those not familiar Ashland it is on the very east border of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation - and reportedly that rez is "dry" (no alcohol allowed or sold there)? I go inside the bar and order a cold beer and strike up a conversation with the gentleman bartender. I eventually get around to mentioning the sleeping drunk Indians and his interactions with them. He relayed how the Indian folks often only have two or three beers and become intensely intoxicated. He and I commiserated on the plight (sorry state) of so many of the young Indian males. Several decades before this recent scenario I used to "bribe" my way onto that reservation to Hunt Prairie Dogs and did so for several years. I eventually quit Hunting there as it was just to risky dealing with all the intoxicated drivers and the newly growing numbers of militant/racist and meth fueled Indian folks. Like ALL reservations in Montana I plan my travels across them in the early/mid morning daylight hours ONLY. Sad that. I have visited the St. LaBre Catholic Indian school there in Ashland several times and indeed there are MANY beautiful young Indian girls in that area - they seem to "lose" their loveliness once into their late twenties IMO/IME! I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist as I am 25% Montana Indian myself (quarter breed - father was a half breed) but in so many instances the Indian people fall prey to the demon rum and all manner of drug abuse. Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution, that has not been tried over the decades? Had a lot of great Hunts (Antelope, Mule Deer and Varmint) out of Colstrip - neat country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Mild Varmint.. head a little west to Lame and on that stop sign highway intersction in town on a decent afternoon by 2:30 there are plenty in terrible shape around the gas station, across the street along the grocery store, and across south there in that empty lot. By 5:30 on that decent day there are dozens and dozens strewn around in a bad way.
Never should have given the people money. Whites came along with it and have preyed on the natives since. Being given the land they then should have gotten livestock, seed, tools, implements, and doctors. They would have figured it out. The absolute worse thing that was ever taken from the people was consequence. The bleeding hearts still keep that from the people to assuage their own consciences. It is the cancer that keeps killing the soul of the people, the same as it does all other races. Even the members in position of power on tribal council and in other authoritative position see the cancer and allow it, it leaves them free rein on the tribal finances, tribal mayhem hides their greed.
There are a few old members left, hardworking, running small spreads with beef on the Rez. The nearby ranchers off Rez are happy to work with them and vice versa. These are ranchers first, Indians second. They are aging however, soon enough to be gone. The people have such low self esteem they cannot police themselves, but won’t let outsiders do it either. See the above. Never understood how a closed society like the Rez could have so many fragrantly making drugs, supplying booze, and the other cancers that hook the youth with devastating consequences, ruining countless lives. There are ditches and canyons and even caves in that land well suited for body “disposal” if you will. I wish they would utilize them.
Other than passing thru I spend no time on that or any other Rez. There I see only cloudy sky’s over a beautiful land, elsewhere I see the sun.
Osky: A few summers ago I was Hunting Varmints just east of the Cheyenne Indian Reservation here in Montana. I headed for the town of Ashland to get fuel and some food one afternoon and as I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians passed out on the ground in front of the towns only tavern. This, in a town of maybe 550 people? Now out of morbid curiosity I circle back and try to park the VarmintMobile without squishing a sprawled out Indian. For those not familiar Ashland it is on the very east border of the Northern Cheyenne Indian Reservation - and reportedly that rez is "dry" (no alcohol allowed or sold there)? I go inside the bar and order a cold beer and strike up a conversation with the gentleman bartender. I eventually get around to mentioning the sleeping drunk Indians and his interactions with them. He relayed how the Indian folks often only have two or three beers and become intensely intoxicated. He and I commiserated on the plight (sorry state) of so many of the young Indian males. Several decades before this recent scenario I used to "bribe" my way onto that reservation to Hunt Prairie Dogs and did so for several years. I eventually quit Hunting there as it was just to risky dealing with all the intoxicated drivers and the newly growing numbers of militant/racist and meth fueled Indian folks. Like ALL reservations in Montana I plan my travels across them in the early/mid morning daylight hours ONLY. Sad that. I have visited the St. LaBre Catholic Indian school there in Ashland several times and indeed there are MANY beautiful young Indian girls in that area - they seem to "lose" their loveliness once into their late twenties IMO/IME! I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist as I am 25% Montana Indian myself (quarter breed - father was a half breed) but in so many instances the Indian people fall prey to the demon rum and all manner of drug abuse. Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution, that has not been tried over the decades? Had a lot of great Hunts (Antelope, Mule Deer and Varmint) out of Colstrip - neat country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Mild Varmint.. head a little west to Lame and on that stop sign highway intersction in town on a decent afternoon by 2:30 there are plenty in terrible shape around the gas station, across the street along the grocery store, and across south there in that empty lot. By 5:30 on that decent day there are dozens and dozens strewn around in a bad way.
Never should have given the people money. Whites came along with it and have preyed on the natives since. Being given the land they then should have gotten livestock, seed, tools, implements, and doctors. They would have figured it out. The absolute worse thing that was ever taken from the people was consequence. The bleeding hearts still keep that from the people to assuage their own consciences. It is the cancer that keeps killing the soul of the people, the same as it does all other races. Even the members in position of power on tribal council and in other authoritative position see the cancer and allow it, it leaves them free rein on the tribal finances, tribal mayhem hides their greed.
There are a few old members left, hardworking, running small spreads with beef on the Rez. The nearby ranchers off Rez are happy to work with them and vice versa. These are ranchers first, Indians second. They are aging however, soon enough to be gone. The people have such low self esteem they cannot police themselves, but won’t let outsiders do it either. See the above. Never understood how a closed society like the Rez could have so many fragrantly making drugs, supplying booze, and the other cancers that hook the youth with devastating consequences, ruining countless lives. There are ditches and canyons and even caves in that land well suited for body “disposal” if you will. I wish they would utilize them.
Other than passing thru I spend no time on that or any other Rez. There I see only cloudy sky’s over a beautiful land, elsewhere I see the sun.
Couple years back a pack of dogs in Lame Deer killed and ate on one of the members. There was an all out hunt right after that and lots of strays were shot.
Going thru there now I think they are more than before.
Anyone recall maybe 15-20 years ago all the young Indian girls found raped and dead along 212 between Crow Agency and Belle Fourche? Was it 9 that they know of? No one arrested yet.
Here’s a pretty one. Who knows - did she walk away from that rest stop drunk, was she chased away, or was she in danger and ran?
Sad stuff, but the way things are hasn’t worked for a long time. That is one pretty girl - I’d be proud of my son if he brought that home. Depending on mentals, of course. Unfortunately, that would be a real concern.
I’ve heard they need to be real careful starting at 10-12, be careful of uncles, cousins. Ugh.
Couple years back a pack of dogs in Lame Deer killed and ate on one of the members. There was an all out hunt right after that and lots of strays were shot.
Going thru there now I think they are more than before.
Anyone recall maybe 15-20 years ago all the young Indian girls found raped and dead along 212 between Crow Agency and Belle Fourche? Was it 9 that they know of? No one arrested yet.
Osky
Don't remember that one...but I do remember the dude the dogs ate.
I thought that maybe he died first and then the dogs ate him?
There was a pile of suicide on Ft Belknap here a few years ago. Made the national news.
Young girls. You can imagine some of the reasons why.
I was up north of the rez not long ago in Colstrip and working in a place was one of the most beautiful young women I’ve ever seen, looked full blood. Im not sure if Crow or Shylala just going by the area. All of 5’ 11, slender with legs to the moon and a striking face. I sure hope she gets discovered, beauty like that should not go to waste.
Osky
She still hasn't called. I assume you gave her my number.
I was up north of the rez not long ago in Colstrip and working in a place was one of the most beautiful young women I’ve ever seen, looked full blood. Im not sure if Crow or Shylala just going by the area. All of 5’ 11, slender with legs to the moon and a striking face. I sure hope she gets discovered, beauty like that should not go to waste.
Osky
She still hasn't called. I assume you gave her my number.
I had a client I’d guided for a lot of great fishing trips who owned a modeling/ casting agency. Great old guy and while fishing or in the evenings in camp the guys would discuss the beauties he’d known and he would comment on what made them special. This young lady fit the bill as I recall. If he were still alive I’d call him about her, not that he’d have done anything but it sure would be nice to see the young lady catch a break.
High cheekbones and smoldering eyes should never be wasted when matched with long dark hair.
Her standards should be beyond we mere mortals Rob.
Lots of folks have touched on things that are the reality on the rez.
I could tell stories for days and I have only been working in and around the rez for 6-7 years.
Shrap touched on it well. Others followed up with good info.
The core issue is that the rez is perfect model of socialism. The fact is, rez life is proof that socialism fails, every time. Put the control of the finances and who gets what in the hands of the few with little to no accountability, and what you get is nepotism, favoritism and corruption.
Another aspect of rez life, is that life is cheap. Concern for people and their well-being isn't there, even for their children. Until they are hurt or killed or lost. That is a core issue at the center of the MMIW issue that most don't want to accept.
There was a pretty girl working the counter at the big gas stop in Browning four years back, seemed friendly and outgoing.
About twenty years back we headed east through the Northern Cheyenne Reservation working our way from the LBH kinda-sorta back to Texas by way of Devil’s Tower (might have my geography/sequence mixed up). Didn’t leave pavement so mostly I’m recalling just pretty country.
It was getting late so we stayed in the motel in Ashland. If the walls could talk that place looked like it could tell stories. Only other people staying there were a couple of construction-type Mexicans with a pickup.
I’m distantly recalling the Christian school but the image that sticks in mind was a longhair Indian kid maybe twelve or thirteen. He was riding a BMX bicycle AND wearing a bicycle helmet. I thought that kid has a mom who cares about him 🙂
I’m just a history tourist, passing through I was recalling Little Wolf and his wife who lived in self-imposed exile there during the last years of their life after he had killed a man for bothering his daughter, even though the family of the dead guy understood and weren’t seeking revenge. Or so the story goes.
There was a pretty girl working the counter at the big gas stop in Browning four years back, seemed friendly and outgoing.
About twenty years back we headed east through the Northern Cheyenne Reservation working our way from the LBH kinda-sorta back to Texas by way of Devil’s Tower (might have my geography/sequence mixed up). Didn’t leave pavement so mostly I’m recalling just pretty country.
It was getting late so we stayed in the motel in Ashland. If the walls could talk that place looked like it could tell stories. Only other people staying there were a couple of construction-type Mexicans with a pickup.
I’m distantly recalling the Christian school but the image that sticks in mind was a longhair Indian kid maybe twelve or thirteen. He was riding a BMX bicycle AND wearing a bicycle helmet. I thought that kid has a mom who cares about him 🙂
I’m just a history tourist, passing through I was recalling Little Wolf and his wife who lived in self-imposed exile there during the last years of their life after he had killed a man for bothering his daughter, even though the family of the dead guy understood and weren’t seeking revenge. Or so the story goes.
Incest is terribly prevalent on that Rez. It was bad with the added alcohol influence but has become much worse with the meth explosion. As have other crimes. Yes outside intervention is needed and wanted by some, but once outsiders do show up the entire Rez clams up and goes into the us against whitey mode. Self destruction. “Idle hands are the devils playthings” is a term on display on the Rez.
The rez about 30 minutes from here has a casino that they profit share from but it’s probably a lot smaller than the ones out West. A lot of the same stuff on a smaller scale.
My mom worked for the Bureau of Indian Education for a few years while I was growing up. I was able to do some get togethers with Native American kids for organized potlucks and camps. Most if not all lived off of the rez. The get togethers were pretty cool.
Several years back a preschooler was killed and burned in a BBQ to destroy the evidence. The murder I believe was a member of the tribe but looked white to me. Mostly it’s small crimes and single wides full of ATV’s and such weathering out front.
They buy booze, cigarettes, and lottery tickets at the gas stations and convenience stores and are some of the tackiest dressers that I’ve ever seen, even when compared to blacks but they’re nearly all at least outwardly friendly. A lot of tracksuits and a lot of gold jewelry.
We have a small rez about 5 miles from our house. It belongs to a tribe that was 'dissolved' in mid twentieth century and then reinstated in the 70's or 80's. Cedar Band of the Piaute. It seem like it's in pretty good shape. Houses seem to be kept up, etc. The folks that I've met from there seem to be good people.
Sure not like some that I lived next to in Oklahoma (Ponca) and the ones in Oregon (Cellilo, Warm Springs).
Kinda wonder if it is because they were forced out of the rez system for a while and it broke some of the cycles.
I must be missing something or I must have dated the wrong kind of Native in Oklahoma. She was cool to hang out and party with, really pretty woman and great personality, but boring as heck in the bedroom..She was full blooded Cherokee...
Living here in Appalachia West...we get a unique view of the American Injun and the white man side by side in similar situations. The little lumber towns, and some not so little, are the white man's Rez equivalent. When the Spotted Owl, Marbled Murralet, Sierra Club, 9th Circuit and mostly NAFTA destroyed the wood products industry in the west, tens of thousands family wage jobs disappeared overnight, then the businesses...with no hope of recovery. Imagine Youngstown, Detroit on just a slightly smaller scale. Wood products industry, by it's nature, was mostly centered outside large urban zones. Overnight, your job was gone, your home was worthless, no hope of any job better than pumping gas...and lucky to get that. Unemployed dads, angry wives, disillusioned children. It was the same story as the rust belt. Where did these people turn? Same as Youngstown or Bethlehem...Divorce, drugs, alcohol, welfare, food stamps, despair. A white Rez in all but name. A few scraped together enough to flee toward jobs and hope, kept their families intact...most didn't. It ain't the Injun regardless of color...it's the system.
I think you nailed it...You just described my little hometown in Texas when the bottom fell out of the oilfield years ago, and more and worst types of drugs like Meth became prevalent. Many white people raised by good Christian folks turned into total deadbeats overnight, unwilling to move away even just a hundred miles to a better life, or to get a higher education...They'd rather just stay there killing themselves with drugs and alcohol and live like heathens than try something new..Even when the oilfield economy picked back up, the town has still never been the same.
The old folks that were the backbone of the little town that made it a great place to live, that would have never asked for charity, and worked for everything they have all died off. It's not the same "village" I grew up in where everyone used to know everyone and looked out for the kids, everyone went to church, and the people were all very humble and would give the shirt off their back to those in need.
I drove down mainstreet I look over and saw NOT one, NOT two, but THREE drunken Indians.
This, in a town of maybe 550 people?
So 3 out of 550 huh?
That accounts for about one half of one percent of the local population yet you go on to condemn not just a community but a entire race of people due to your supposed observation of 0.50% the local population.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
I don't want to sound overly critical of Indian peoples or racist
For 'not wanting to' you do a damn good job of being 'overly critical'.
In fact it appears like seeking something that fits the stereotype you like to paint a picture of is more like a total fixation with you.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Perhaps I should NOT be so critical as I don't have a solution
You type that out like it's your standard 'righteous white' guy disclaimer.
I must be missing something or I must have dated the wrong kind of Native in Oklahoma. She was cool to hang out and party with, really pretty woman and great personality, but boring as heck in the bedroom..She was full blooded Cherokee...
I must be missing something or I must have dated the wrong kind of Native in Oklahoma. She was cool to hang out and party with, really pretty woman and great personality, but boring as heck in the bedroom..She was full blooded Cherokee...
I was up north of the rez not long ago in Colstrip and working in a place was one of the most beautiful young women I’ve ever seen, looked full blood. Im not sure if Crow or Shylala just going by the area. All of 5’ 11, slender with legs to the moon and a striking face. I sure hope she gets discovered, beauty like that should not go to waste.
Osky
They hit 25 and all of a sudden develop a body like Mr. Peanut. Skinny little legs, no ass, and giant gut.
Never seen an older one that is even remotely attractive unless she’s biracial.
I was up north of the rez not long ago in Colstrip and working in a place was one of the most beautiful young women I’ve ever seen, looked full blood. Im not sure if Crow or Shylala just going by the area. All of 5’ 11, slender with legs to the moon and a striking face. I sure hope she gets discovered, beauty like that should not go to waste.
Osky
She still hasn't called. I assume you gave her my number.
I had a client I’d guided for a lot of great fishing trips who owned a modeling/ casting agency. Great old guy and while fishing or in the evenings in camp the guys would discuss the beauties he’d known and he would comment on what made them special. This young lady fit the bill as I recall. If he were still alive I’d call him about her, not that he’d have done anything but it sure would be nice to see the young lady catch a break.
High cheekbones and smoldering eyes should never be wasted when matched with long dark hair.
Her standards should be beyond we mere mortals Rob.
I was born on the Wood Mountain Trail (Sitting Bull's last escape route to Canada), Just North of the Fort Peck Res. My family(undertakers) and I knew the undertakers on the res for several generations. I employed Indians whose families had fled the res. I was on the res cranio-facial team for years and treated the kids who were born with facial birth defects (many drug and alcohol induced).
All my life I have been exposed to Indians and the res. So what's the problem? It ain't the Indians, In my experience, they are plenty bright and talented. Some have a wild sense of humor. I even know a few who survive and do well on the res. They are IMO a serious minority.
The problem is despair induced by government control and dependency. If you want to make a case for government created utopia, an explanation of the government controlled res is mandatory. They are little laboratories of marxist control and outcome.
If there is a solution, it involves dissolving the res, deeding the land they own to the tribe, freeing the Indins (as they call themselves) and calling it a sad mistake.
IMO the WEF thinks they can make the whole world a great big res. to good effect. (for them) Stand and fight right now or suffer the "Indin" fate. America is looking more like the res all the time.
My lovely bride was a police officer when she was younger in Idaho Falls. One Monday morning, a girl comes in from the Shoshone Bannock tribe who is very distraught. The family had lost her little brother. THe previous Friday the government checks had come in. Mom and Dad didn’t have anyone to watch baby brother so they dug a hole and buried the boy, who is one year old, up to his neck and go on a bender. It’s now Monday morning and mom and dad don’t know where they buried the baby! There’s a big search and rescue between them and the tribal police. Later that day they found the little boy, barely alive and severely dehydrated. How’s that for parenting. Wife tried to get DCFS involved but that’s an indian baby so the parents have the right to abuse their kids all the want without any whiteys interfering. How’s that for a screwed up system?
Incest is terribly prevalent on that Rez. It was bad with the added alcohol influence but has become much worse with the meth explosion. As have other crimes.
Well damn, just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse 🙁
I was thinking more like off Whitefish Stage road, scarf up one of the last remaining large agricultural tracts out there before they plaster it all with houses.
Them Blackfeet could be just like the 480 members of the Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community in Minnesota.
Their casino earnings give each adult member $84,000.00 per month, $1.8 million a year!
They'd all be struttin' in tall cotton then..
The Highline would be getting burned up by Indians driving Ferrari's and Maserati's.
I was thinking more like off Whitefish Stage road, scarf up one of the last remaining large agricultural tracts out there before they plaster it all with houses.
Them Blackfeet could be just like the 480 members of the Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community in Minnesota.
Their casino earnings give each adult member $84,000.00 per month, $1.8 million a year!
They'd all be struttin' in tall cotton then..
The Highline would be getting burned up by Indians driving Ferrari's and Maserati's.
Nope. It's $84k a month each, they are the wealthiest Indians in America. The tribes net worth is 2.7 billion.
The Miccosukee's and Seminole Indians bring home more than $84k a year. But they all start off as multimillionaires from their Casino trust savings when they turn 18 anyway.
Yeah...it's not like that I guess. Never been to it...but the website says it has a restaurant, a hotel and over 300 of the highest paying machines in Montana.
The casino between Havre and Rocky Boy is about dead. Pretty run down by the look of the outside.
The Rez and the investors got took pretty bad on that one.
My point is that it's not a good place to put a full fledge casino. If I were to locate it, I would do it south of Kalispell historic district somewhere between the Montana Club and RDO. Easy to access from the south and the north. Two lane road that isn't as dangerous to turn off and on like it is north of Kalispell because the speed limit is slower, and already in a commercially developed area that won't ruin agriculture country like putting off of Whitefish Stage.
Nope. It's $84k a month each, they are the wealthiest Indians in America. The tribes net worth is 2.7 billion.
The Miccosukee's and Seminole Indians bring home more than $84k a year. But they all start off as multimillionaires from their Casino trust savings when they turn 18 anyway.
That may be correct, they make a boatload. They are just southwest of the twin cities, easy half hour car ride if that. The Importation of Hmong and the free busing options for seniors of the twin city are what keep things humming. When born and certified a member of the tribe the moneys for that youth are put in a holding account for the child, controlled by the tribe. When the child turns 18 they can access the account. I’m not sure if the youth get a smaller cut until grown, I do know that the last child I knew of personally who came of age had about 2 million in their tribal account.
My point is that it's not a good place to put a full fledge casino. If I were to locate it, I would do it south of Kalispell historic district somewhere between the Montana Club and RDO. Easy to access from the south and the north. Two lane road that isn't as dangerous to turn off and on like it is north of Kalispell because the speed limit is slower, and already in a commercially developed area that won't ruin agriculture country like putting off of Whitefish Stage.
When born and certified a member of the tribe the moneys for that youth are put in a holding account for the child, controlled by the tribe. When the child turns 18 they can access the account. I’m not sure if the youth get a smaller cut until grown, I do know that the last child I knew of personally who came of age had about 2 million in their tribal account.
And this is why you don't see them waiting tables or sweeping floors in their casinos, probably contributes to them not taking jobs with the local enforcement agencies either.
Most tribes require they get a high school diploma or it's no trust fund for you.
It's been like 30 years since the Eastern Band of Cherokees partnered with Harrah’s Casinos and built their casino in Cherokee NC.
As adults they receive about $1,200.00 a month each now, it's a lesser amount due to being divided between so many.
The youth get their 'Big Money' as they refer to it, upon their 18th birthday with a HS diploma.
Their trust amounts to around $200,000.00 each now but it's issued in three payments, 1st being at 18 years of age, 2nd at 21 and 3rd at 25.
I suppose this keeps an 18 year old from pissing it away too quickly.
With 30 years passing, their have been studied done concerning the impact these funds have had on the individuals and surrounding communities.
Education is up, drug and alcohol addiction is down, mental health and other psychological issues are lower and those living at poverty level and below has dropped drastically.
The surrounding communities have seen more personal bankruptcies and auto theft is higher. These issues aren't nessasarly relative to the native base in the communities.
My point is that it's not a good place to put a full fledge casino. If I were to locate it, I would do it south of Kalispell historic district somewhere between the Montana Club and RDO. Easy to access from the south and the north. Two lane road that isn't as dangerous to turn off and on like it is north of Kalispell because the speed limit is slower, and already in a commercially developed area that won't ruin agriculture country like putting off of Whitefish Stage.
Is that on the Rez?
No, but as JeffA said, put it where the money has easy access to the gambling, restaurants and shows. It would make a ton of money.
My point is that it's not a good place to put a full fledge casino. If I were to locate it, I would do it south of Kalispell historic district somewhere between the Montana Club and RDO. Easy to access from the south and the north. Two lane road that isn't as dangerous to turn off and on like it is north of Kalispell because the speed limit is slower, and already in a commercially developed area that won't ruin agriculture country like putting off of Whitefish Stage.
Is that on the Rez?
No, but as JeffA said, put it where the money has easy access to the gambling, restaurants and shows. It would make a ton of money.
If anyone knows a tribal judge or whatever they are called on the Jicarilla, see if I can get my 270 Weatherby back? It’s been several years since they took it.
If anyone knows a tribal judge or whatever they are called on the Jicarilla, see if I can get my 270 Weatherby back? It’s been several years since they took it.
Why’d they confiscate it ??? Have several friends that hunt the Jicarilla. They’ve never had any trouble.
I was hunting 2B and I knew I needed to cross the rez on a FS rd for about a mile. I verified I wasn’t loaded ( one in chamber) and slipped it in a soft case in the back seat. Tribal warden is waiting soon as I cross into the Rez, told him what I was doing , and he asked to check for loaded weapons. Well that Weatherby had 3 in the magazine, he said that was a loaded firearm on Rez land, and started telling me how he was going to write tickets for all kinds of stuff and I would loose my truck etc etc. He wrote one to me for a loaded weapon on Rez land and took my Weatherby as “cash bond” I decided the bastard could keep it I wasn’t risking going to court!
I was hunting 2B and I knew I needed to cross the rez on a FS rd for about a mile. I verified I wasn’t loaded ( one in chamber) and slipped it in a soft case in the back seat. Tribal warden is waiting soon as I cross into the Rez, told him what I was doing , and he asked to check for loaded weapons. Well that Weatherby had 3 in the magazine, he said that was a loaded firearm on Rez land, and started telling me how he was going to write tickets for all kinds of stuff and I would loose my truck etc etc. He wrote one to me for a loaded weapon on Rez land and took my Weatherby as “cash bond” I decided the bastard could keep it I wasn’t risking going to court!
Damn. 😂
I used to always fill up my F-350 with Diesel at the Rez station in Dulce when headed to Fly Fish the Quality Waters below Navajo Damn. On the San Juan River. They were the cheapest, and always friendly there. Never saw so many Indians with new pickup trucks with new 4-wheelers in the back. Figured the Jicarilla must be Rez Heaven, compared to all the other reservations I’d been on. 😬
Can the tribes in Montana purchase private lands and then incorporate the new purchase into sovereign nation status? I know they lease BLM lands and you don’t want to be caught on those leases by them.
Can the tribes in Montana purchase private lands and then incorporate the new purchase into sovereign nation status? I know they lease BLM lands and you don’t want to be caught on those leases by them.
Osky
Idunno, seems there could be a workaround in there somewhere.
They'd just be expanding their reservation.
The current Montana casinos suck, they need a full casino with all the bells and whistles and no $800.00 limit on a win like they got now.