The Assassination of Sandra Bland and the Struggle Against State Repression


During the struggle in South Africa black activists who were captured by the state had a strange habit of jumping to their deaths from the windows of jails and court houses whenever the authorities would turn their backs. In the U.S. the method of suicide black prisoners appear to choose is death by hanging, that is when they are unable to pull a gun from an officer and shoot themselves in the chest while handcuffed behind their backs.

In Waller County, Texas, Sandra Bland, a young black woman from Illinois, an activist with black lives matter, who was, according to friends and family, excited about her new job in Texas is stopped for a minor traffic, beaten, jailed and found dead two days later in her cell. Her death labeled a suicide by the Waller County Sheriff Glen Smith.

Because Sandra Bland was an activist who advised others about their rights and the proper way to handle a police encounter, no one is accepting the official explanation that she took her own life. And even if any evidence emerges that after being isolated for three days and subjected to the kind of treatment that Texas racists have been known to melt out to uppity black folks and she may have taken her own life in a moment of acute depression, those state officials are still guilty of murder because she should have never been in that cell.

What does seem clear is that Sandra was a woman who understood her rights and was more than prepared to defend her dignity. However, for a black person in the U.S. defending one’s dignity in an encounter with the police is a crime that that can lead to a death sentence, or in the parlance of human rights, an extra-judicial execution by state agents.

While many are calling for something called justice for Sandra Bland, we would be doing Sandra and all those who have had their lives taken by the agents of repression a disservice if we didn’t place this case in its proper political and historical context.

A psycho-analytic analysis of the dynamics involved with Blands’ gender and blackness could easily conclude that Bland was perceived as an existential threat to the racist male cops who pulled her out of car. Being a conscious, “defiant” black woman she probably disrupted their psychological order and meaning of themselves by her presence and willingness to defend her dignity.

However, as interesting as the individualized analysis and expressions of the psychopathology of white supremacy might be, the murder of Sandra Bland has to be contextualized politically as part of the intensifying war being waged on black communities and peoples’ across the country.

And because the state is waging war against us and will be targeting our organizations, as an activist, organizer and popular educator, Sandra’s murder must be seen a political murder and receive sustain focus as such.

Coming right before the Black Lives Matter Movement gathering in Cleveland, Sandra’s murder dramatically drives home the ever present dangers of not just being black in a culture of normalize anti-blackness, but the vulnerabilities associated with being a black activist and especially a black woman activist.

Historically the tyranny of white power has always had its most dehumanized expressions in relationship to black women. The unrestrained and unlimited power of white supremacist domination converged on the captive bodies of black women during slavery and has symbolically and literally continued during the post-enslavement period of capitalist/colonialist subordination of black people in the U.S.

However, from Harriet Tubman, Ida B. Wells, Claudia Jones, Fannie Lou Hammer through to Assata Shukur, Elaine Brown, Jaribu Hill and countless others, revolutionary black women held-up the sky and provided the vision of liberation over the ages.

When the South African government began to target black women activists, the popular response was that now the racist government had “struck a rock.”

This week, under the leadership of black woman activists, much of the resistance movement to the escalating violence of the state will gather in Cleveland to engage in reflection and planning. Sandra Bland will be on the minds of those activists as well as Malissa Williams who found herself at the receiving end of 137 bullets fired by members of the Cleveland police department that ripped apart the bodies of her and her companion Timothy Russell. And the activists will certainly highlight the case of 12 year old Tamir Rice who was shot point blank two seconds after police arrived on the scene where he had been playing with his toy gun in a park near his home.

Yet, the assassination of Sandra must be seen as a blow against the movement. That is why the BLM must struggle to develop absolute clarity related to the political, economic, social and military context that it/we face.

The struggle in the U.S. must be placed in an anti-colonial context or we will find ourselves begging for the colonial state to violate the logic of its existence by pretending that it will end something called police brutality and state killings. The settler-state is serious about protecting white capitalist/colonialist power while we are still trapped in the language of liberal reformism demanding "justice" and accountability. Those demands are fine as transitional demands if we understand that those demands are just that - transitional. Authentic justice and liberation will only come when there is authentic de-colonization and revolutionary power in the hands of self-determinate peoples' and oppressed classes and social groups.

The martyrdom of Sandra Bland and all that came before her and who will follow – and there will be more – demands this level of clarity. We did not ask for this war. But we understand history and our responsibilities to our history of resistance and our radical vision that we can be more than we are today. Our enemies want us to think that they are invincible but we know their secrets and know that they can be defeated. All we have to do is to be willing to fight.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2...nd-and-struggle-against-state-repression

Nice spin.

Facing the prospect that she was not physically murdered, she simply fell victim to the oppression of whitey and took her own life.

Isn't anyone in control of their own actions anymore?

If not, I would like to learn this Vulcan mind power.

I'll need Halle Berry's phone number as well.

Being stopped by the state trooper for failing to signal a lane change?
Really?
REALLY?
In Texas? State troopers have nothing better to do than make traffic stops for not using a turn signal changing lanes?
Just...WOW!
WHAT BUIICHIT!
Forget that she was giving way to his vehicle coming up behind her...
So when he gets to her car she's smoking and he tells her to put it out...inside her own vehicle.
When she protest he pulls out a taser.
Amazing.

The arresting cop will be lucky to keep his job. If people getting irritated by being pulled over for failure to signal gets you riled up and pissed off, you're not worthy to wear a badge. She was irritated, and he asked her why and she mouthed off. He then commanded her to put out her cigarette. When she didn't, he escalated over a warning citation for failure to signal, hauling her out of her vehicle, cuffing her and placing her under arrest. She was a mouthy biotch, but being a mouthy biotch isn't illegal.

The cop was a total douchebag.

As for her death? There needs to be a full investigation by the State bureau of investigation.

Texas DPS Troopers work traffic. That what they do. Traffic cops. Period.

And, police use a traffic violations to stop a vehicle and observe a suspect that they think may be DWI or DUID, or smoking something they shouldn't be.

The DPS in this case was issuing her a warning. No fine, no record. SHE is the one that escalated the situation.

I've been a traffic unit.
I have never, EVER, pulled someone over for giving way to my vehicle.
I'm sure that's what it was...he was stopping her because he thought she was drinking.
He escalated it, he chose to find her actions outside the norm.
It's his disposition that started the chain of events.
I guess she should have cried and begged and offered a BJ.
Pumped his ego up.

Being a mouthy bioch may not be illegal, but it can damn sure get you into trouble. When a cop stops you in this part of the world, black or white, you show some respect and comply.

Sounds like.

But the cop-haters here and elsewhere are gonna see high crimes and misdemeanors all over the place no matter what you or I think, and certainly regardless of the findings of the medical examiner or any other duly constituted authority.

Que Al Sharpton, folks.

Then you were a scheitty one. And do you really think for one second that a "black Lives matter" activist was peaceful or not beligerant during the encounter?

Can a black person do anything in yalls eyes other than act subservient?
I would have been pissed and I'd have made it known.
The stop was BS.
If I was an attorney I'd pulled his last 50 stops to see how many were for failure to signal and how many of those were on black women.
Easy peasy.

All folks have to remember is that if they think they are driving by the letter of the law,i bet that no matter where they live the police can find a reason(lawfully)to pull them over,inside of a block.

What happens next is up to the driver.

I find it hard to believe that with the cameras in the jail that someone could go in her cell and string her up.

Outrage over what someone does to themselves is wasted outrage.

Bastige pulled me over for not signaling a rt turn after a red turned green. Got a warning.

I disagree - she didn't escalate. He escalated when she refused to put out her cigarette. He completely lost it. He was unprofessional and then when he got mad crossed into unethical/unlawful arrest.

Should she have gotten out of the car? Yes. Because at that point, you are screwed, so just comply and file a complaint.

I get the BS reasons to pull someone over - broken taillight, failure to signal and then check for a DUI. But as soon as the officer knows this isn't a drunk or fugitive, then he should be professional, if not polite. This guy was a d!ckwad.

Not surprising to see you take this stance.

Have you even seen the video?



You probably weren't much of a cop, if you ever were one. I know you are consistently wrong on police procedure with your comments.

Likely no cameras in cells, invasion of an inmate's privacy

The full 52 minute video shows the guy just finishing up a traffic stop with a warning.

Uncut, he went to this one, and was prepared to issue a warning for the lane change (even though she's black (gasp)) when the situation went awry.

In actuality, if you watch the uncut, the lady fails to stop at the stop sign when making her right turn - he had this on tape, and it was after she blew the stop sign right in front of him that he made his u-turn. This was probably his reason for really stopping her, but given the prior warning, and this one, I don't think he was in a ticket writing mood - just an all warning day.

The cop appeared to actually show some concern by asking her if she was OK, when she indicated she saw him "speeding up and tailing me" so she pulled over.

I wonder if she pulled (as in to the curb, not just changing lanes) over before the lights went on? That's always suspicious.

Edit to add: I don't know why he went from warning to "get out of the car" mode.

Guess folks can figure that out, but as far as the stop goes, I don't have a problem with it.

I have watched the video. The cop was unprofessional. He escalated. She resisted what was an unlawful/unethical arrest. She did resist, which was stupid, especially with this Napoleon going ballistic on her.

Your right...I must not have been much of a cop sin e I didn't abuse people and have to have my ego stroked on a minute by minute basis.
As à civilian I'm not dropping my britches and bendding over for some fkin blue lights and a badge either.
Guess that's a different view of the world..that regardless of it I made a little bulb go blink blink of not that I'm still a human being with rights.
I don't lose the right to be pissed, the right to ask questions or even insult your choice to pull me over.
Telling a cop you think he is full of chit for a p1ss azz traffic stop isn't a reason to be arrested.
The fact that you can't see that shows that you think your perfect or that your willing to prostate yourself to a uniform for anything to get out of afine.

I'm a cop lover. This cop was a douchebag and had no reason to haul her out of her car. He dishonors the badge.

I have not watched the video, and I have read next to nothing about this event (by choice.)

But I will opine this: There seems to be a trend in this country for rebellious young people - especially Black ones - to deliberately provoke police into an aggressive response for the specific purpose of claiming police brutality.

In this instance, the word "martyr" used in the article may be telling indeed. Do we have here a young activist who provoked an arrest and then took her own life for the sole purpose of being a martyr to her anti-police cause?

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/half-of-drivers-dont-use-turn-signals-cm138954#ixzz3gds76BQs

I totally support the police in almost everything they do. But, if you had watched the video you would see that she was wrongly ordered to put out her smoke and then was ordered out of the car at Taser Point. I would be very surprised if she wanted to be a martyr. She may have been harassed hard enough to kill herself, but this needs a full investigation. Something smells here. Black or white, this seems wrong.

It's that damn shytstirring Pat Powell that started this.

Pat, get me the officer's arrest report. I gots to know....

In Texas, a person can be arrested for any traffic violation other than speeding. And even then under some circumstances.

He was giving her a warning. All she had to do was sign it, and go on her merry way...

No good deed goes unpunished.

I'm sure that the Black Lives Matter campaign she was an activist for appreciates you guys supporting her.

interesting.

The Patrolman asked if she was OK from the standpoint of her being upset. He had previously commented on her appearing to be upset when he first came up to the car from the passenger side. He's only been a cop for a year, Fox reported, so he might want to get a handle on people who are stopped being somewhat upset, regardless of any other circumstances.

It was only when she questioned why she should have to put her cigarette out in her own car, that he ordered her to step out. So, is it illegal to smoke in one's own car while speaking with a cop? I don't smoke, so I've never had that experience, and don't know.

I would find it difficult to believe someone killed her in her jail cell, equally as much as she took her own life over something trivial. Unless there is evidence leading to another person's involvement, the cause of her death will never be accepted in the black community and continue to serve as an excuse or rationale, per perspective, for more unrest and likely violence.

Unlike Ferguson, this was totally avoidable and made only made possible because a rookie cop with a hot button didn't like her smoking at what should have been the end of their business. We really don't need anymore of this nonsense.

I have doubts that activist who can be heard stating " I can't wait to go to court" would then trade the spotlight for a cold dark ho!e.

I used to have them put them out as a predecessor to having them step out of their cars.

All you need is to have one lit cigarette hit you in the face to get that procedure down quick.

Otherwise, I didn't care if they smoked...

I've been reading about this since it happened, but I just watched the video for the first time. You know, that was pretty bad. She was being pretty cool and he kept prodding her and asking why she was upset. She finally responded that she thought the traffic stop was unjustified. He then got pissy and asked her to put out her cigarette. She rightfully refused as that she was inside her own vehicle. He then immediately ordered her out of the car. And no, she didn't resist at all. She was mouthy, but repeatedly asked him to simply tell her why she was being arrested. He couldn't/wouldn't even do that.

Before I watched the video, I was going to say that regardless of the merits of the stop, there was no way that I believed that there was any foul play involved in her death. But after that? She was not unbalanced in any way whatsoever. She wasn't even particularly mouthy, especially not for the demographic. Secondly, she seemed eager for court and everything that went with it.

I don't know and can't and won't speculate what happened in the jail, but that trooper needs to be out of law enforcement. If he let that sort of thing get to him, he'll end up killing someone or getting killed himself soon enough. He took what was a pretty ordinary situation and escalated into an arrest. If she had been a large black male instead of a female, he might have gotten his ass beaten or had to shoot a man over that stupid schit.

Asking if she was OK is prodding?

Ringworm, what were you fired for?

Since he was handing his ticket book to her to sign, I doubt he was going to have her step out until she questioned his request to put out her cigarette. At that point, he appeared to lose rationality. He may need a new career path.

Does this mean that the smoking question was rhetorical?

Tell me again where he gave her the ticket/warning to sign? Where did she have the opportunity to just sign and be on her merry way? All I saw was him holding the ticket/warning and then him telling her to put out her cigarette and then when she refused to put out the cigarette, he went ballistic and ordered her out of the car. When she yelled at him that she was being arrested for failure to signal, only then did he say is was was only going to be a warning but now she was failing to comply.

You know better than that. "You, okay, mam, you seem upset?"

He was just trying to get her to go off on him. Do you honestly expect people to be happy when they are pulled over? We're pretty tired of the uniformed tax collectors as it is. Now we are supposed to be happy about it?

You need to watch more youtubes. That's a sticking point for most cops and detainees: asked but seldom answered. But it does get the charges significantly ramped up nearly instantly, for those who still believe they have rights in the presence of their betters.

Well, here is where that whole "in a vacuum thing" becomes pertinent.

The full video, 52 glorious minutes, shows him doing the same thing with a prior stop, walking up with a clip board and a pen. Asking the person if they are OK. Stating its just a warning, and they need to sign.

Except the activist decided to give her speech rather than just sign and go on her merry way.

And given its apparently OK to be arrested for moving violations in Texas, maybe he decided at that point she needed to go to jail, hence put out the smoke.

She refused, and it escalated.

Ta da.

don't know why the author of the article went to such lengths to tell us what 'happened'. No facts are needed, real facts or manufactured facts.
Just state that she was black, an activist, stopped by the man, and died. That says it all. No explanation needed.

See above.

He asked the last person the same question while issuing a warning.

Maybe, just maybe, that's his standard procedure, and not a means of getting people to go off on him?

Then he should probably change it because any moron should know that asking people who are visibly upset during an adversarial situation three to five times if they are okay is apt to draw a negative response.

Good thing he only asked twice else this could have turned out really f'n bad.

Most jails follow a certain protocol.
Booking, Bond hearing happen at intake.
The person gets to use the phone and I'd given time to make bond before they move to housing.
I can't figure out why she was dressed out in orange and in a cell alone.
Usually the only folks alone are on suicide watch and then they are constantly observed.

Of course, on the second one he say, "Are you okay? YOU seem very irritated." Which of course, blows away your contention that it might have been something he does with every stop instead of being a specific response to this woman.

No it doesn't.

He asked, and she responded with "waitin on you, etc etc etc," then he asked, and probably rightfully so, given her tone, that she seemed pretty irritated.

During that time, he had turned the clipboard around to point out the issue, where to sign, etc, all to cover up the fact that he was clandestinely trying to get her to snap.

I see, being irritated is now a crime. Good to know.

Again, I know this is hard for you to believe, but maybe he was trying to be personable.

Letting folks off with warnings is just so passive aggressive, he has to be a dick...

Cop in this case was not professional, he was just as guilty as her in escalating the situation. He provoked her when he was so close to finishing up with her. "You seem irratated", well no schitt, who isn't irritated when they get pulled over, but the important thing was that she was keeping her moth shut until he provoked her. There was no need for that. He has no business in law enforcement if he can't control himself any better than that, or feels he shouldn't have to control himself better than that.

Ringworm, what were you fired for?

I sure hope cops don't ask you guys, "How are you doing today?"

How provoking.

You guys are total candy asses.

"You seem irritated". You don't see that as an invitation?

And of course, it was. And the woman responded quite reasonably, "You ASKED me to tell you what was the matter."

Whoaaa, bad dude, bad dude. You are one tuffazz, bad mo fo, fo sho. Put another way,,,you got it coming.

By most jails I assume you mean the one in your locality?....cause it sure as hell don't work that way here


We arrest you, tale you to the judge, he orders commitment papers, we take you to Jail, you get booked and are put in a holding cell until your processing is done, then moved to your dormitory cell until you either make bail or your sentence is finished

Oh, before you get to that holding cell your personal property is taken and inventoried, and you are given an orange jumpsuit

But i didnt smart mouf da bark bastige, either.

And then the ones that say "be safe and have a nice day" as they walk away from giving someone a break by giving a warning...Wow,they're just really going out of their way to cause hard feelings.
How can they be so callous abusing the public like that?

I guess if I was an anti-cop activist, or had a hard on for them in one way shape or form, I would assume that everything cops do was meant to antagonize me into getting aggressive and provoking an arrest response.

I've been beat up, tazed, shot and killed so many times, by cops, its [bleep] nuts...

Crickets it seems,no?

Look, you all know I am pro-police, but if a cop has most of us pulled over than asks me, what's wrong, you seem irritated", well, I'm betting 90% of us here would respond with "WTF do you think is wrong officer, why do you suppose I am irritated?" That was an effort to escalate because he didn't like her demeanor.

Hell most people here usually advocate passive resistance to authority, and he could not handle it without turning in up a notch and turning it into a physical confrontation. The second he said "alright, out of the car", he failed at his job.

She apparently suffered from depression and PTSD...saying it was a "daily struggle"


http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/sand...pression-in-her-facebook-posts-1.3157028


I had a friend who noone thought anything was wrong, he had just won full custody of his daughter, had just gotten back in the pipe fitters union and was on the quick rise to foreman. We got called to a domestic between he and his daughters mother.... We thought things had been resolved, he walked back inside as we escorted her(the belligerent one) off the property, when we heard a gun shot from inside


....i knew this guys since we were ten years old, my first step back into that house that night brought the sight of my friend's body with half of his head missing.... Depression is a mudder fugger, and noone knows when it will finally make it's claim

So you do your pics after booking?
Any you routinely house detainies alone with access to black trashbags?

I'm betting 90% would like to think they would, and post that they would, but I doubt it.

Just keep going into every situation like they are out to [bleep] with you and you will get a self fulfilling prophecy.


I'm trying to figure out how I got stopped by a total [bleep] once for a total bullshit reason, and still made it out of the ordeal without getting my ass beat, tazed, killed, and body cavity searched.

Oh, wait, I remember, I wasn't a dick.

Yes or no, did the officer escalate the situation?

Tapeworm, you just don't realize how badly cops like you are presently needed in Ferguson and Baltimore. Just think of all the problems that could have been averted had you only been there!

You and Ole DINK as patrol partners would make a pair.

Which one? The one about the OP or in my example?

Either way, no.

Frankly, the Texas cop had the authority to arrest her in Texas for a moving violation, so, no, he did not.

Perhaps a strict application of the statute, but it appears he was within his authority to do so.

I'm talking about Sarah Bland, and I did not ask if it was legal, I asked if he escalated the problem?

Ringworm, why were you fired?

Go back to the video. Watch from 2:00 to 2:50.

He comes back and asks "Are you all right Ma'am?" (professional)

She replies, "I'm just waiting on you. it' your job".

Coop: "You seem irritated"

Lady " I AM irritated. I see you coming up fast behind me and I moved over out of your way and you pulled me over, so yes, I'm am a little irritated but that doesn't stop you from giving me a ticket."

silence for 8 seconds

Cop: "Are you done?"

Lady" "You asked me what's wrong and I told you. So yeah, I'm done".



Cop: "You mind putting out your cigarette, please" (strident tone)

Lady: "Why? I'm in my own car. I don't have to put out my cigarette in my own car."

Cop: "Well You can step on out now".

Either we have to assume that officer was asking for the cigarette to be put out so he could arrest her, or he was being a d!ckwad and only made the decision to arrest after she refused to put out her cigarette.

Up until the cigarette comment, this cop had no reason (that can be seen) for placing her under arrest. He asked her why she was irritated and she very cogently and clearly stated why she was irritated. Evidently her reason (quoted above) was enough to get her arrested for..... what? Failing to signal when moving away from a fast-moving cruiser? Failing to put out her cigarette? She did resist, but not until AFTER he asked her to get out of the car. In fairness, once a cop asks you to get out of your car, get out of your car. Unfortunately this routine stop should have never, EVER gotten to that point. And that is all on the officer. People aren't happy when they get pulled over. It's part of the job.

Many police department have the motto "To serve and protect". Not really sure where this incident fits in.

I think apathy is the best de-escalation technique. If I pull somebody over I want them to see in my eyes that nobody on earth cares less about their explanation or excuse or how their day is going than me. The ONLY thing I care about is ending my conversation with them as quickly as possible.

I'm not rude. I'm not friendly. I just don't care. And I've found that when people realize how little you care they're much less likely to hassle you.

He "served" her a citation. That's where it comes in.

I never wrote tickets, except at wrecks. They either got a friendly warning or a trip. It all depended on them.

Geez.

According to info previously posted in this thread, by a Texas resident, but not yet confirmed by an LEO, you can be arrested for a non speeding traffic infraction in Texas.

Warnings are discretionary, as are tickets apparently.

So, if that information is true, he had reason, and changed his mind after the lip.

She did not comply then with a lawful order to gtfo.

If it is not true regarding the arrest issue, than I apologize for being an ass.

But damn...

Pat Powell is one crap stirring mofo

Right, and I don't care about lectures, explanations, or anything else of your business. Shut up, write the ticket, and send me on my way. I can afford it and it won't go on my record anyway. It is simply another cost imposed by whatever government happens to be robbing people in that vicinity.

Every traffic violation in the State of Texas is an arrest-able offense, with the exception of speeding and open-container. Refusal to sign the citation for either is cause for arrest.

Thank you.

...and a warning obviously wouldn't help you stop whatever you were stopped for.

Good thing that people in my town are not ticketed for not using their signals, the cops would have writers cramp.

He asked for the lip.

He noticed she was perturbed, I'm sure many people he writes up are perturbed, give her the warning or write her a ticket instead if you don't like her demeanor, but you don't need to escalate the encounter. I have to wonder if he prods every person he notices is upset with being pulled over?

Nope, not at all. If you choose to write one, great. If not, so be it. Driving at a reasonable speed of my choosing is worth a ticket now and then if I so choose. I'm an adult, I don't need lectures or lip.

whatever.

You see, the fact that it is so important to YOU to press your argument on just a fraction of the facts, undermines your opinion as unbiased, instead it is one that is born of an agenda.

The issue isn't whether an officer CAN arrest someone for any traffic violation, whether they DO arrest people for minor traffic violations. Ask any cop on here. The "You didn't signal when changing lanes stop" is done to quickly check for DUI or outstanding warrants/suspended licenses. 99% of the time they won't write a ticket and won't even bother to write a warning. I'm betting they don't arrest people for minor traffic violations. I'd really like to see the arrest report on this one. And seriously, why would any cop with a brain want to give himself the extra work to write up a full arrest report on the gal that wouldn't put out her cigarette and was irritated".

I just found the incident report. The cop reported nothing before him removing her from the vehicle.

https://twitter.com/deray/status/623607865899634688/photo/1

He claims he "had her exit the vehicle to continue a safe vehicle investigation"

Unless it ws for evidence we didn't photo them, the jail did.

Our contact with them was over at the booking room inside the sally port

Why wouldn't there be a trash bag in a trash can?

Normally I would be on the side of the cop but not this time. I'm with WyColooCowboy on this one.

What pisses me off if there are a lot of cops doing it right every day and getting accused of racism by activists just for doing their jobs. Then this rookie cop has to go and give them ammo to believe all those assertions.

dang how many folks have missed Chris Rock's video?

..and tell me what my agenda is? If you are really going to make an attempt to portray me as anti-cop, prepare yourself.

What pisses me off is that we get a rookie cop mixed up with a anti-police activists who ultimately ends up getting her cell and were critiquing the rookie cop?


Well done folks.

The cop may have been in his right to arrest her, but he's a douchebag. A big soggy douchebag.

He needs to find a new job or get clipped by a fast moving semi.

If he does his job right then nobody even knows that she was an activist or that he was a rookie cop.

After she tells him why she is irritated, he COULD have said:

"I'm just giving you a warning. Just sign here and you can be on your merry way..."

Yes, really.. Use 'em around here too or the LEOs will give YOU a ticket too (even in Mudduckland.. I've seen it )..

Sounds like Texas.




Dave

Or Wisconsin...





Travis

Does ANYBODY know why Rimgworm was fired?

Why would there be a trash can in a cell?

BWAHAHAHA, looks like that professional chit-stirrer did.

No more than anybody knows that he was.

Incontinance?

How thoughtful. Too bad they didn't do a safe cell inspection, also.

Pat, you throw one hell of a party!

A sad series of events. Getting stopped for not signalling a lane change? In some places if you signal your intent another arsehole in a car will shut the door on you.

I think the cop blew it at the cigarette, but then as an ex-smoker since 1986, I don't want to smell that crap either.

This pull you over to 'check you out' crap is bull. Cops should only pull you over to issue a citation, otherwise it is just a fishing expedition.

That black lady may have been stopped more often than the norm and may have a chip on her shoulder be it justified or not, I don't know what part of Illinois she hailed from or her personal history.

I'm more interested in what happened at the jail.


I hope the cop learns from this and isn't crucified.

Where else are they going to put the napkins they use to clean up with after they masturbate?

Why are you picking on me?

That whole incident was 97% the cop's fault. Just because you wear a badge it doesn't give you license to act like a COCK.

A good officer uses finesse as much as possible.

after watching the video that'd pretty much be my take on it as well.


I would think it's in the officers right to request to extinguish smoking materials. Second hand smoke, yada, yada drifting right up in his face. And yes I'm a smoker, I'd probably extinguish it before the officer approached but certainly would if asked to do so.

but when she gave him lip about it, he kinda lost it. With only a year on the job it's understandable to me, I don't know this, but from my interaction with LEO it seems training dictates they take control of interaction with civilians.

And often times there's probably good reason for such, if you don't allow a situation to escalate it's better for everyone involved.

I thought he did great until the deal over the cig. At that point (hindsite being 20/20) he probably should have showed her the warning, tore it up, then wrote her the citation and gone on with his life.

still think she should have seen Chris Rock's video though

Fox just reported she had attempted suicide once before....

I don't talk to people who are smoking. It gives me a headache. I politely ask them to put it out because it gives me a headache. If they don't, I just leave. They can call back when they're done smoking and wait for me to return.

If it's on a traffic stop, same / same. They can sign the ticket or put out the cigarette. But I won't answer your questions and listen to your gripes while you smoke.

Same with a filthy house. I told a lady, "I'm sorry, but we'll have to talk outside. Your house smells awful."

And dirty people. "Pardon me if I don't shake. But no thank you."

It's not complicated. I'm utterly professional with everyone. But I won't give myself a headache, or gag and have my uniform smell bad, or touch your hands you haven't washed in a week. If that's a deal breaker, you can wait for another cop to show up.

Wonder what white cop interaction triggered that one?

Kent Greenfield explains it all for you.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Myth-Choice-Personal-Responsibility/dp/0300169868

About the author (of the OP):

Ajamu Baraka is a veteran activist, organizer, and an editor and columnist for Black Agenda Report.

There was another recent incident where a dash cam video showed a male LEO repeatedly hitting a black girl in the face with his fist. When the full story came out, a black female officer tried to break up a fight, the girl had her by the neck and was choking her, the male officer tried to pull her hands off his partner's neck, and when he couldn't get her to let go, he pummeled her to save his partner.

Chris Rock probably wasn't the only black who knew better than to fight the police, but now doing so makes them a hero.

Notice in the video from the jail it was a black female officer who found Sandra Bland unconscious in the cell.

This thread don't meet my criteria for posting.

It doesn't matter, it's as good as murder at this point.
"Cigarette out, don't shoot"

That's absolutely respectable. ADA's don't get ticketed very frequently anyway.

So arresting someone is now likened to shooting them?

And the trooper gets the blame because he arrested her? Even though she was turned over to the county jail where she evidently killed herself?

Bullschit?


A standard formula I used for years doing criminal interdiction is this:

A high volume of legal traffic stops. Turn signal violations, equipment violations, speed violations, etc.

Stop and talk to the person. Advise why they were stopped.

If they are members of the innocent motoring public, get them back on the road as fast as possible w/o any tickets, written warnings, nothing. That takes too much time that you could be spending on a high probability stop.

Continue to make legal traffic stops until you find the one that has indicators of possible trafficking or other criminal activity. Then take your time interviewing, then conducting the investigation/drug seizure.

A high volume of legal traffic stops. In fact I had to compile my stats for a class one time, and I discovered I wrote citations approximately 2% of my stops, with 98% verbal warnings.

This high volume of legal stops that you call "bullschit" resulted in over 3 MILLION dollars worth of narcotics seizures in roughly 5 years time.

"BS" traffic stops net a whole hell of a lot of narcotics/stolen weapons/stolen property/felony warrants/ etc, etc and serious criminal activity intercepted. BS traffic stops have resulted in a lot of very bad people getting caught.

Charleston Church shooting suspect and murderer of 9 innocent people Dylann Roof was caught due to a "BS" traffic stop.

Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh (killed 168 people and injured more than 500) was caught due to a "BS" random traffic stop.

Three members of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (Walid Nicolas Kabbani, Georges Fouad Nicolas Younan, and Walid Majib Mourad) were stopped in Vermont on a "BS" traffic stop.

They were smuggling a bomb from Canada to the United States.

Peter William Sutcliffe, a serial killer was caught on a "BS" random traffic stop . Sutcliffe was convicted of murdering 13 women and attempting to murder seven others.

I could go on and on with examples...

What some call BS stops others call proactive police work.

I'm thinking he's means it doesn't matter to the libs. She was a radical liberal from the NE that died in Texas after being arrested. That's all they need for a scumfest. It's just a shame that a prestigious institution of higher learning like Prairie View A&M has to start the process of replacing her.

Why did the cop return to the drivers side after taking several minutes to check her out? Why not the passenger side again? Maybe he had it in his mind to drag her out?

What information was he given about her during his check?

When I started with the Highway Patrol, my Sergeant gave me a piece of advice that has stood me in good stead these many years. He said "When you make a traffic stop, you have two options. You can either write 'em up or you can give 'em a lecture. BUT, don't ever do both! Wise man.


Jim

Don't put too much into this. The minute we have to threaten any kind of force to get somebody to comply, they are going to jail. How fast and hard depends on them.

I think he is comparing the "she was murdered" narrative that the family is pushing to the lie that Michael Brown had his hands up when he was shot.

Even after it was proven to be a lie, the race baiters are still using the hands up don't shoot BS.

If she had tried suicide before I bet the family knew about it. The family is on record as saying she wouldn't do that and had no history of such.
They have their agenda version to push and they're sticking to it.

Yeah, I see that now.

With some of the posts in this thread, things can be confused with what people seriously post.

BTW, Texas DPS doesn't have a "quota" for tickets. But they DO want to know you are out there working traffic. They don't tell you who or what to write. That is officer discretion. So is the warning tickets. They get the same credit for a warning ticket as they do a full citation.

Apparently no one in this thread watched the video. The woman argues with him, calls him names, insults him, repeats herself about 50 times. She is absolutely out of control and noncompliant. She refuses to cooperate with an obvious law enforcement officer which is law in texas. You can get charges thrown out but you cannot resist arrest or basic traffic investigation. Honestly she was an inflamed bitch from the get go and finally goaded the leo into anger by blowing smoke in his face.bitch had issues and wouldve gotten rolled in any state. The is no one who hasnt been pulled over at least once for bs reasons. But i still cooperated with the guy with the badge.

Pat answered this, but just to put it in context that a lot of the predisposed are not apt to care about, nor feel compelled to research on their own, I need to restate a few things.


1. Read Mackay's post about interdiction.

2. With that in mind, those that so choose can watch the full video, the 52 minute one, and watch the stop prior to this.

3. The trooper is out doing interdiction and patrol. He has NO intentions on writing tickets today. He is noting cause for stops, and stopping people.

4. He approaches the passenger side, because some train of thought states that it is safer for the officer in the presence of a right handed shooter, and it allows him a better view of the interior.

5. He makes contact, establishes whether or not further investigation is needed. If none, he comes back to the driver's side with the book and a pen to issue a warning.

6. KEEP IN MIND THAT UNDER TEXAS LAW HE CAN ARREST THESE TRAFFIC OFFENSES WITH NO OTHER JUSTIFICATION.

7. He makes a U turn on this driver after she fails to stop at a stop sign while making a right turn.

8. She executes a lane change, unsignaled, when he is behind her. Since he is not looking to write tickets, and this is the most recent reason she has given him to pull her over, he cites this as the reason. He just wants to look in the car for "non-BS" stuff.

9. In his mind, she's getting off, but she goes into the 24hourcampfire internet bravado mode.

10. she can deny the cigarette extinguishment request, and contrary to popular consensus, he doesn't lose it when she denies him this request. I do not know what she was doing during the "noted by wyo" 8 second silence that he finally asked, "Are you finished?"

Also, during her diatribe, she states she got over to yield him the lane, then later states she noticed him tailing her. Kind of a small contradiction and may have been reason enough to ask her to get out.

11. Since he has the authority to arrest her for the offense, and he does have the authority to ask her to step out of the vehicle (I believe the Supreme Court ruled on that decades ago) her refusal to do so is where she escalates the situation.

Yes, she. Frankly, I believe there was still a chance that the situation would have mitigated if she would have got out and sucked in her ass, but it just didn't happen.

You may think junior was in the wrong, here, and frankly, I wouldn't have done the yelling, I would have waited for back up and removed her one way or another. Personally, I hate yelling.

But its good that the militant minority is turning her death into another indictment of the system which has already been vindicated a couple times, and we are arguing over an arrest which had very little to do with the issue at hand, except only to show people where there own viewpoint and biases may be.

Mine included.

All those Texas cops do all day long is write speeding tickets...

Interesting and timely link.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/whats-the-worst-state-for-speeding-tickets-124704947792.html

That is an interesting link. Kinda explains why the citizens of those States think the way they do.

Anybody mentioned that even the liberal press reports that she was suicidal? And that she admitted to attempting suicide once this year already?

Why are you keeping the brother down?

I feel white guilt now.












I'm over it!

at least your white privilage allows you to feel white guilt, and then laugh it off.

Yep! I still have the 'privilege' of feeding half a dozen worthless welfare recipients, regardless of color!

just 'get 'er done'!

Yep. i oosted the link above where she describes her depression and "ptsd"

OK, I'll nibble.

What does did she have PTSD from?

Her suicide attempt was related to losing a baby. At least, that's what Fox was saying last night.

That cop should never ever be allowed to be a policeman again. The State of Texas owes the survivor of that lady money just due to that low-life scum with a badge.

I'm leaning on murder in the first degree in that jail cell - he didn't get enough by pushing the lady around on the street. I hate to see what a scum like that would do to someone when they know they are not on camera.

We need that sarcasm font.

Her death is a secondary question and unrelated to this traffic stop.

Was she in the wrong when she refused to exit the car? Absolutely (Cue Chris Rock Video).

Should she have been pulled from the car? Absolutely not. Had she blown smoke in the officers face or done something more than what was seen in the video, it would have been noted in the incident report. The officer escalated the stop, period. She was irritated. Fine. let her be irritated. You have a job to do, which is to make traffic stops and look for larger fish - DUI, Driving suspended, drug evidence, outstanding warrants, etc.

He reacts to her irritation and her rudeness. Being rude isn't illegal, but it can get you a ticket. If she was being rude and you were having a bad day, fine. Write her a $75 ticket for failure to signal.

But he doesn't do any of that. He engages with her and escalates the stop and then makes a decision to remove her from the vehicle. It was a bad stop, one that could be used to train new officers on what NOT to do.

You put all the responsibility on the mouthy woman. She didn't get mouthy until after he escalated to pull her out of the vehicle (with no probable cause).

Should she have been pulled over? YES.
Should she have been arrested? YES. Because she resisted.
Should it ever have gotten to the point where she was arrested? NO. Because the officers job on this day was find bad guys, not create bad guys.

We have problems with jail overcrowding and funding for jails. How about we put criminals in jails and not traffic offenders?

Done..

we were good up until this.

Prior to the "pulling" she refused to get out of the vehicle when ordered to.

That's the turning point.

That's why she got pulled.

Whether or not she deserved to be stopped, or to be arrested, or to pulled out physically is all subjective.

He had the authority to do all these things, given the situation as presented or presenting.

This thread STILL does not meet my criteria for posting.

She was getting a warning and ran that mouth into a ride. I can't stand the amount of traffic units I see but DUI checking with solid PC is the way of the world. I don't think they ever give out anything but a warning once they see all is good to go. Do I like it? No, I have been in her shoes and never got a real ticket or a ride to the jail.

The suicide is a separate thing all together. The DPS doesn't staff county jail. Being an activist as stated, I wonder if this isn't an attempted suicide to become a front runner in the game gone too far accidentally.

Which brings up a question I have. Why is a College Professor sitting in jail for three days, waiting on somebody to make a misdemeanor bond?

Nobody liked her because she was a mouthy bitch?

Evidently.

have the protesters been bussed in yet?

I agreed with her resisting getting out of the vehicle was the turning point. Where we disagree is whether the officer should have ever taken this stop to that level.

It's not subjective.

Did she deserve to be stopped? YES.

That's it. She was irritated. BFD. Who isn't irritated when they get pulled over for a small traffic violation? This douchbag cop didn't like her attitude so he decided to ramp everything up and make her get out of her vehicle. She should have complied with his demand to get out of the vehicle and not been a total biotch. But there was no cause for his action. If there was, it would be in his incident report.

I had ONE time when a cop asked me to get out of the vehicle. I had been pulled over for speeding (10 over) in Alma, CO and after running my info he had me pull up and off the road and then asked me to turn off the truck and exit the vehicle.

I asked him "Am I being arrested?"

He replied, "Sir, you've given me no reason to place you under arrest at this time".

I was walking on frigging eggshells after that. He was professional and I was courteous even thous I knew something was really, really wrong.

He patted me down and then told me my drivers license was suspended. I told him something wrong, because I'd know if my license was suspended. Turns out somebody at the state level punched in the wrong Drivers license number on an unpaid traffic ticket (not mine) and it showed my license was suspended. He wrote me a summons on the driving on suspended license and made me leave my vehicle (100 miles from my hometown) and drove me to Fairplay, CO. I had my wife come get me and then I went back and took the risk of driving my truck home. It took me a couple of days to get it all cleared up. Unfortunately , I still had to appear on the summons, where it was immediately dismissed. This asswipe County Attorney wouldn't dismiss prior to the summons date even after I sent him the documents from the state. I had to appear and then he showed the judge the documents and moved to dismiss. Cost me half a day to drive to court 100 miles away plus a full day clearing up the clerical error.

I don't think so. Texas isn't a swing State.

how simple is this?

The cop is not duty bound to issue warnings.

Foregoing the revenue generation angle, the average driver may need one of 3 things to correct their driving issues.

A warning, a ticket, or jail, and all 3 are in play in Texas.

It was obvious that Ms. Bland didn't really care to be a cooperative party of the former 2.


Sorry you lost time on your driver's license issue.

Not duty bound to issue a warning. You want to give her a bad time, write her a ticket - she all but asked for one. He skipped over a ticket and went straight to "Get out of the car". Take away her death and this is simply a bad traffic stop. I'm saying she earned her trip to jail, but it never should have gone that far. And THAT, is all on the douchebag rookie cop.

The fact that there are officers here who defend the the arresting officer is disturbing. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There was nothing professional about his actions. The fact that another here is talking about high volume traffic stops as fishing expeditions is also a huge problem. If I haven't committed an infraction worth writing you have no business stopping me. Until police departments and local municipalities are stopped from self funding through tickets and seizures we will continue to have corruption in our law enforcement. Another big problem is steroid use. I can't tell you how many pimpled up pie faced steroid monsters I see wearing a badge and a gun. Steroid rage and obnoxious citizens are a recipe for out of control police officers.

get disturbed then.

So now we have equated this guy to steroid use by cops, and revenue generation, even though he was only issuing warnings.

The cop was making a patrol presence, pulling people over for infractions as outlined by the traffic code, and yes, looking for PC on something more substantial - maybe a drug bust, or perhaps a couple more extremists heading to the recruiting center.

And letting people off with a warning - how the hell does that do anything other than people know cops are out there? Sure isn't making any money. Hell the first stop he even told the person in that car to get their father to email him proof of insurance since they didn't have it - should have been another ticket $cha-ching$.

I am sorry you guys think he shouldn't have decided that lady needed to go to jail.

I think they should avoid people from now on, so that they don't need to make these choices.

This whole thing is on HER and HER alone.

It's not that hard to understand....Period.

....Period.

Is that stuttering or just redundant?

Has it occurred to you that because of his actions - his choices he made in the stop, he was left with no choice other than taking her to jail?

It's like leading a horse down a steep slope over loose terrain. He might make it okay if everything goes perfectly, but one misstep and the horse breaks his leg and you've got to put him down. That's what happened here. You could blame the horse, but I blame the rider, because he chose to go down that path.

He took her down a steep slope that was more likely to result in her arrest than to her "going on her merry way". The cop chose the path.

Yes, it has occurred to me.

And the next time I do something totally petty, but nevertheless against the law, I think I will be a dick to the cop and not expect him to react in applying the fullest extent of the law he has the authority to, rather to be totally polite and discretionary in giving me a warning.

See you tomorrow.

The bustard cop deserves to be in prison. No sarcasm intended. What a low life scum bucket.

I sure hope there isn't a rational person that thinks she was murdered.

She made the choice to get arrested by her behavior (yes cop may have been short but it takes two to tango) - that is a conversation for her and her attorney when she sues the department in civil court (and probably wins) not for her to get into with the cop on the side of the road after failing to comply.

Second - she made the choice to kill herself.

That us unless you believe in conspiracies against an "average joe". If that is the case - then I have some foil hats you can buy from me - $5,000 each - custom. Paypal me and I'll ship them....

Maybe he meant as in menstrual. You know how some of them get around that time of the month.

guess the bottom line is what it always has been. The cop may or may not have been at fault, but at the time of the cop/citizen interface, he is still in charge. Like it or not, hurt feelings or not, indignation or feeling of frustration notwithstanding.
Cops can, and will mess you up, kill you, or just make your life miserable, if you don't 'cooperate'.
You can always go after them later, but at the time this chit goes down, you really need to keep quiet, do as told, and try to stay alive and with as few bruises as possible.
It is never the original offense that gets ya killed, it's your mouth.

I can't wait till I'm not a cop.

Yep. Them's the facts.

The autopsy will be good for 10 pages.

I find this thread fascinating. There are cops that actually issue warnings where you don't have to go to court and pay money after they pull you over? Sounds like a tall tale to me!

I'm no lover or sypathizer of blacks, nor am I a rabid cop hater but damn, that cop is an AZZHOLE ! Nobody should be treated that way over a minor traffic infraction. If that had happened in my town I'd be at the next board meeting loudly demanding his immediate dismissal and prosecution to the fullest extent possible.

Amazing the latitude allowed of law enforcement when thier aggressive tactics are used on blacks and other minorities who don't simply bow down when told.
What you fellas gonna do when your da sambo?
At some point in the near and absolute future white men WILL be the minority in many locals.
And when you get jammed up with some Jerry curled, ebonics slinging affermative action highway patrol officer for FAILING TO USE A TURN SIGNAL, let's see how you act.
It's all good when your on top I guess.

Why were you fired?

I can tell you how my encounter went with her, but I was killed.


Oh wait....




(ok now I got to go do some yard work)

Your reaching.

Because of my reaching?

I'm just always curious about why people are fired from police departments. I bet your story is a good one.

If I had been, I'm sure it would be. Seeing as how I wasn't, it isn't.
Sorry to spoil your next stroking session. Perhaps some gay porn would suffice.

Sure.

I have only read this page of this acerbic thread, and don't intend to read any more of it.

But I just read that her death has officially been ruled a suicide.

There will likely be civil lawsuits, but that pretty much is the end of it.

I haven't managed to wade through the entire thread yet, but is she still dead?

Yep. And high.

So maybe his interdiction dialogue had some metit to it?

She was able to get some pot, but not $500 to make bail?

http://goo.gl/rQicNe

Most times that L E screws up the P A will double down on it, then act as if he is doing you a favor by straightening up their mess.

And you have to promise to never do it again.

Well she made sure she'll never do it again

Well, I was only kidding in my previous post about warning tickets. I have received exactly one in my life and it was from a black officer. All of the white uniformed tax collectors socked it to me. The miserable little prick who wrote me a ticket a couple of months ago for slowly rolling a stop sign in the middle of the day with zero traffic anywhere was a pudgy white kid. I think that was about as damn ridiculous as getting stopped for not doing a turn signal....but that is just me and I didn't shoot my mouth off and make things worse. The judge who took my money was black as the ace of spades and while I was in court I noticed that he fined the hell out of a bunch of his "brothers" and it didn't seem to bother him much.....one of them was fined for going 35 in a 30. He even had the nerve to tell them to pull their sagging britches up over their black asses and tuck in their shirts while in court....in so many words.

So, if a "Jerry curled, ebonics slinging affermative action highway patrol officer" pulls me for any reason I reckon I will keep my mouth shut and my opinion regarding the officer's lineage to myself until I get safely down the road....just like I do when I get shaken down by one of my "brothers".

I make this post only to put forth the idea that perhaps these issues should not be ALWAYS viewed through the prism of race.

Now I understand why cops in some States are really suspicious when they stop me and I'm civil. I can't say as I blame them.

"Pro-active" police work? I'd describe your take as Soviet-style population control measures (or at least the warm up/intro version) brought to you by your local republicrat congresscritters.

All in the name of "law and order". Gotta round up them drugs, you know. The same drugs coming across the southern border that the same "law and order" republicrats keep saying they're going to "shut-down".

Saudi Arabia is planning to build a fence on their Iraq border. I wonder which one will get built first? I'm betting on the Sunnis

Good riddance.

I don't care how.

you sir, are either A: a complete fugging moron, or B: a sock puppet. Viewing MacKay in that manner us just ludicrous. Maybe you should hang out a bit, before letting your mouth ruin what tiny bit of credibility you showed up here with. That was what? today? Yesterday? Geez.

Sam, that's TAK



Hi Glen

I get it, sarcasm within the "no sarcasm intended" line.

Great stuff!

If I was that stupid I'd probably hang myself as well.

One less liberal vote.
One less activist trouble maker.

One could go on and on, any way you spin it ya can't make it a bad thing. I'd say the same thing of a white woman this stupid.

I think she got EXACTLY what she wanted.

Obviously, with two suicide attempts she wanted to kill herself, and was afforded a captive audience with her shenanigans when she did kill herself.

I'll bet she was chuckling about what kind of schidt storm she was creating when she did it.

Totally by design.

And the "official version" of Bengazi is the God's honest truth.

It's ok because Mackay is an American.

If an officer tells someone to put out a cigarette, then they are supposed to do it no matter what. Officer demands sex? Ask them which hole and assume the position. If you don't like it, take it up later in court because no matter what the officer has demanded their fellow officers will show up in sufficient numbers to force you to comply and also once it makes it to court the taxpayers will pick up any penalties so the officer can keep doing what they want to do instead of getting injured to the point of being disabled.

You really think this is the end of it? Very doubtful. The left will keep using this as an indictment of "racist cops" for as long as they can squeeze something out of it or until another incident which fits their agenda better comes along.

The cop may not have been too smart about how he handled the stop but he didn't do anything illegal. However, in the eyes of the left, this is one more case that proves cops are racist and that likely she was murdered by the police. The media discussion is and will be mostly about politics and not facts.

When did smoking cigs inside your own vehicle become illegal?

She should have flicked it at his head.

anyone who thinks that an "activest" black bitch in america right now was compliant with a white cop is a [bleep] dipshit dumbass

The officer was perfect, as are all police. He not only didn't do anything illegal, he really can't do anything illegal between exemptions listed in statute and exemptions in practice.

The second the officer decreed it so. He was within his authority to liquidate her at that point, but exercised restraint instead.

Sure, we whine and gripe about activist judges "legislating from the bench occasionally(and truth be told we usually support that), but we really support police legislating from behind the badge.

Exactly. No matter what he demanded or could have demanded she(as all civilians do) had a duty to obey.

Hey, it was TX.
Could have been worse...

Was that one of the charges?

I'm still laughing that in Texas you can be arrested for any traffic infraction. A fuggin busted tail light and off to jail!

The entire state should line up and kick that dumbazz cop in the balls and and slap the chit out if his mammy for costing them so much money.

By the time this is done, any guesses on how much Mr I'll light you up! Will have cost the state for a failure to signal bull chit stop?

What a joke.

Texas isn't alone in that.

It's classified as a Class C Misdemeanor. Most states allow arrests for misdemeanor offenses.

All a citation (ticket) is very simply put, is a charge of violating the law, and your promise to appear in court to answer to those charges.

RB- How much you think that busted tail light will cost ya?

Depends on your attitude.

With the right attitude, a receipt for the repair presented to the judge will probably end up costing nothing...

With the wrong attitude, compounded with resisting arrest, well, cost is relative.

Not you, the ticketed, you the tax payer that now has to pay to incarcerate, cloth, feed, house, prosecute, etc....the person arrested for failure to signal.

Somethings should only be a ticketable offense.

Many years ago, on a holiday weekend, I was stopped after leaving my boat at the marina by two Highway Patrolmen (State Troopers now in Texas) who suspected I was drinking - probably because they saw a beer bottle in my vehicle cup holder sticking up above the dash. This was before having an open container was a no-no. I was smoking a cigar, and was asked by one officer to "put it out" before exiting my truck. I politely asked if I could simply leave it in the ash tray, as it was a pretty good cigar. He allowed that, and when I could follow his pen with my eyes as he whipped it back and forth, I was told to pour my beer out and continue on my way home.

Outcome might have been different had I argued and made a big deal out of this?

You all do realize that the cigarette extinguishment was a precursor to his legal request for her to exit the vehicle - WHICH SHE REFUSED TO DO.

The cigarette is the red herring a lot of folks are holding falsely to.

So what, that was not illegal and he was picking on her because he sensed a problem in her. The situation became illegal when she refused to follow his command to get out of the car.

As it turns out he actually did his job of public safety by taking a suicidal activist on a mission off of the public streets.

Nothing, unless maybe the jail didn't follow some type of policy in checking prisoners. Even cops have to do something wrong before they lose lawsuits.

It cost nothing to incarcerate a prisoner? To prosecute them? You don't think there will be a lawsuit?

Do you believe the cops actions were warranted? Not just legal, but warranted? Would you of handled it in a similar manner?

Gleaned this off the website fark.com. yeah, I know, Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...a-in-her-system_55b14a0ce4b08f57d5d41d47

Not a cop, never claimed to be one. I think the 'Fire pretty much has it right though

Telling her to put the cigarette out was for the officer's safety. A lit cigarette can be used as a weapon to burn or blind. When she wouldn't do it he asked her to get out of the car. This is where she screwed up. She refused. She had no right to refuse a lawful order. My thought is that he wanted to separate her from the lit cigarette. Had she complied and got our of the vehicle he would have had her sign the warning and she could have been on her way.

She does have an extensive criminal history.


http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...us-Encounters-With-Police-316025661.html

quite the list, and a few DUI's too boot.

With the Huffpost's glorious treatise that dope could be in someones system for days and she didn't swallow it to hide it because the jail didn't find it, maybe one can surmise she was buzzed when she was pulled over, and was a functional addict (prior drug arrests), driving just well enough - except for blowing the stop sign and the improper lane change - which she had been cited for in the past.

Maybe she was irritated because she was stoned and the "douchebag cop" was ruining her buzz?

The jerk....

Again, go outside the US MSM for information.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wallowed-MARIJUANA-inside-jail-died.html

Suicide: Sandra Bland's autopsy concludes death by hanging and also reveals 30 healing cuts on her wrist, large amounts of marijuana in her blood and NO signs she was attacked or murdered in jail

District attorney's office released autopsy findings for Bland on Thursday
She was found hanged in Waller County Jail, Texas, on July 10
Authorities say she killed herself, but family suspect foul play
Assistant DA Warren Diepraam gave news conference discussing results
Said lack of marks on her hands, face, and neck seem to indicate there was not a struggle before her death
Also said her neck only has a single wound from the hanging - consistent with suicide
Further tests confirmed that there was marijuana inside her when she died

By Reuters and Kieran Corcoran For Dailymail.com

Published: 13:04 EST, 23 July 2015 | Updated: 21:33 EST, 23 July 2015


Sandra Bland's wrist was covered in 30 cuts that were at least two weeks old and her body contained evidence of a large amount of marijuana in her system, according to an autopsy.

Results from the autopsy on the body of Bland, who was found hanging in Waller County Jail, Texas, were released by the district attorney's office this afternoon, who said that there were no signs her death was anything but a suicide.

Family and supporters of Bland, who was arrested in a violent confrontation with a Texas state trooper before being jailed, have claimed that she would never have killed herself and must have been murdered.

According to Waller County's assistant district attorney, her body was found hanged with a plastic bag, and does not show any signs of struggle.

Warren Diepraam, who addressed a news conference Thursday afternoon, said that there were no marks on her hands which could have come from an attempt to fight off any attacker.

He also said she only had a single wound on her neck, which apparently came from the plastic bag used in the hanging.

Diepraam said that a violent, involuntary attack would usually lead to more wounds on her neck, including broken bones. He also said there were no marks on her eyelids, lips or face, which would usually be the result of an attack.

He also noted that forensics experts found around 30 scabbing cut marks on her arms, which were between two to four weeks old, predating her arrest.

There were also scab wounds on her back and minor abrasions around her wrists, which Diepraam indicated could have come from her arrest, in which she struggled against handcuffs and was pinned to the floor by an officer's knee in her back.

Preliminary drugs tests also found marijuana in her system.

Diepraam said that unless she took the drug inside her cell, Bland would have had to have ingested a huge amount of the substance, either by swallowing or smoking it, for it to still be in her system three days later.

Bland was pulled over on July 10 near Prairie View, Texas, northwest of Houston, for failing to signal a lane change.

After the incident escalated into an altercation between her and the trooper, Bland was taken into custody and charged with assaulting an officer.

She was found hanging in her jail cell on July 13 with a plastic trash bag around her neck.

Her death was originally ruled a suicide, although officials have said they are handling it as a murder probe.

According to Lambert, Mathis said the state needs to conduct a second autopsy on Bland, whose body was returned to the Chicago area on Wednesday in preparation for a funeral on Saturday.

CBS News reported that Mathis had asked that Bland's body be preserved after a toxicology test found a substantial amount of marijuana in her system at the time of her death, but denying that he had ordered a second autopsy.

Waller County Sheriff Glenn Smith, whose office operates the jail where Bland died, could not be reached immediately for comment Thursday on the report of marijuana in her system.

Smith told Reuters on Wednesday that the jailers on duty when Bland was admitted felt she was not a suicide risk based on their observations and her statement on the questionnaire that she was not depressed at the time.

I have had more than afew occasions where individuals who were smoking dope in their car would light up a cigrette to try and hise the odor of the weed

If something like that were suspected by the cop, then that would explain why he asked her to put it out

One DUI and a bunch of citations for no insurance, FTA, etc... She was for sure a dumbazz. That's not in question.

If the cop had made a mention of smelling weed when he pulled her, I'd get it. He didn't.

It was a bullchit "fishing" stop and he escalated the encounter for no apparent reason other than he got his feelings hurt.

This whole thing is a giant waste of money and resources.

Why would he tip his hand and blurt out. " I smell weed"?

well as long as its all about money.

Don't get off about my little supposition. Whiner's have been pulling it the whole thread with the "all about the cigarette" BS, so I'm allowed a little poetic license.

Apparently everyone else's "what if's" are of greater credence than mine.

I get it.

Sorry to interrupt the rhythm.

Actually you can't for speeding and having an open container. But you can for everything else. Does it ever happen? Only if you are a stupid idiot who can't or won't follow simple directions that even a caveman could follow. She failed to follow a lawful order. Simple as that.

Another nine pages of he said/she said that's not worth reading - BTW, I think the OP just intended to show how events can get spun by the media....

My wife was stopped the other day for changing lanes without signaling. Her and I both agreed it was a BS stop by one of our little town rookie cops that looks like he's 12 years old. She chose not to mouth off, not to get hauled off to the pokey, and didn't ask for a trash bag when she got home so she could hang herself.

Regardless of whether you experience of of America's less than stellar LEs, believe it or not, you still have some say in your destiny.

Happy Friday!

I was refering to his report, but what is she going to do? Fold?

Everytime I've been pulled out of a vehicle it was preceded by "I smell alcohol. Have you been drinking tonight/this morning?" Then I got to do their cool tricks.

Why would he wait until he was ready to hand her the ticket to sign and never say a thing about smelling pot?

I do believe if a cop smells pot that's probable cause for a search at least of the vehicle. What point is served by not taking her out of her car and starting a search if he smelled narcotics?

Listen, I'm not defending the dumb woman. The fact she ended up in jail and dead is all her.

My point is that cop is horrible at his job and Fishing, or interdiction, is bullchit.

Would any of the expeirenced LEO's here of handled it in the same manner?

It's always better to have as much PC as possible before going "ahh-ha gotcha"


He may not have smelled it immediatley and got a whiff after the cig. Stench drifted out, he may have been going to issue the warning and then smelled it, he my not have smelled ut at all and indeed asked her to put the cigarette out for safety reasons...until his report is released noone knows for sure

We can't arrest for traffic violations here, with a few eceptions.

And you pretty much had to talk your way into a ticket with me, that said i was not above writing multiple tickets when I did write them, especially for those That felt they needed to show their attitude. They would normally get the ticket for the stopping offense, things hanging from mirrors were almost a given. A quick check with a tread guage could result in ticket for bald tires


And interdiction stops aren't BS. Lots of property gets recovered as well ad the stuff Mac outlined.

i recovered quite a few stolen guns, made several felony arrests of fugitives. Hell one time I recovered a pick up tru k load of power tools and a generator, and job box that had been stolen from a garage because I stopped the guy for running a red light.

Incorrect belief.

George

They might as well start stopping people on the street and searching them, or better yet, they might as well start going door to door and searching people's homes. They are certainly likely to find folks with warrants, and contraband.

I'm sure fishing expeditions have yielded a lot of results. So have check points. IMO they're both bull chit.

In this case it yielded nothing but a huge amount of tax payers money to be spent apparently because the cop got butt hurt.

I hope it comes out that he smelled weed. Otherwise....sheesh. What a cluster fugg over nothing.

OMG...! She had marijuana in her system...! If they looked real hard, they mighta even found a book of matches in her car that she lifted from a local pub.

Not the cops fault.
She be crazy.

yep might as well.

hyperbole.

It sells.

we issued more informal warnings than formal warnings, and more formal warnings then tickets, and more tickets than arrests.

All this was done by observing infractions and making contact.

I guess some folks call that fishing.

Or bullshit.

whatever.

What did he do that was illegal that would cost the state money?

In Tx it is legal to arrest someone for a traffic offense.

It ain't free to house and feed a prisoner. Not to mention, when there is a suicife in custody, there is likely going to be a lawsuit. Those are not free either.

Lot of time and resources spent for a seemingly very dumb reason. Like I said, I hope it comes out he was pulling her out because he smelled weed. If not, he needs to be gone.

Just to be clear, I don't claim he broke any laws. Just that he's an idiot that is a really crappy cop.

Good point.

They really shouldn't arrest anyone out of fear of the lawsuit.

Anyone?

Come on man.....I know you are not that obtuse.

right,

I'm going to base my entire interpretation of this guy on one event where he was confronted by an activist with a camera and an attitude..

Likewise, when you stated that all the times cops pulled you out of a vehicle its because they smelled alcohol, I'll just assume you are a drunken [bleep]?

No charges, no DUI's.
Bartender at the time. It puts you on the road at closing time covered in booze.

If I ever escalated a conflict with a patron for no good reason and cost the bar a chit load. I'd of expected to be fired.

I don't give a shyt if he broke any laws or not and I don't give a shyt if she was smoking a big old doobie five minutes before he pulled her over. A girl was pulled from her car and roughed up because she didn't put out a cigarette she was smokimng IN HER CAR fast enough to suit this douchebag cop. That is inexcusable and if it is legal it damn sure shouldn't be. If cops are going to treat citizens that way, with no respect whatsoever for the people they are sworn to "protect and serve" and who are PAYING THEIR SALARY then fuggem. I hope they continue to rile the public to the point they lose all support and are eventually in danger of being killed randomly on every street corner in the country. We don't need little azzhole dictators in uniform beating up citizens over every little infraction or insult and will be way better off without them.

I haven't even watched the video, but I'll bet the answer is NO.

Which makes sense, since I believe the trooper is a rookie. Maybe he'll never make a good cop, maybe he'll grow into one. But you'll never find a good old cop who at one point wasn't a young stupid cop. Just like anything else, there's a learning curve.

The problem is that the learning curve in cop work can get people ridiculed on the Fire, hurt or killed. Some of that is mitigated by personality, or natural ability, and life experience, and even your mood that day. But there's absolutely no substitute for hours in the field.

And sometimes things go wrong, most often with young cops or old cops who are willing to work for crap pay because they suck so bad at their job. So you offer a decent wage to attract decent people, screen them as best you can, teach them everything you know, then let them find their groove. And hope like hell it doesn't go wrong.

No blackhead, she was pulled out because she wouldn't leave her vehicle when ordered.

The cigarette request, as well as the request to put down her phone was made in order to ensure her hands were free when the officer either decided to pat her down or cuff her.

Why is that hard to understand?

Good post Blue!

'Bout time you had one.

She was ordered to get out of her car because a tyrannical bully got pissed off. Why is it so hard to understand that and the FACT that the general working public is getting damned sick and tired of police brutality azzhole ?

What britality...at that point she was actively resisting arrest

She shouldn't have been arrested in the first place. This was the big discussion at lunch today where I work. 25 conservative/libertarian guys and EVERY ONE thinks the cop should be hung. Furthermore NOT ONE trusts a cop as far as they could throw one and pretty much all expressed the belief that they're more likely to be shot/killed or brutalized by a cop than a criminal these days. The age range here is 21-62 and this is a rural/small town County. That's what LEO's are up against here. These bigoted, hypocritical, prejudiced, old GEEZERS here on this site are completely out of touch with what blue collar America really thinks of our law enforcement community today and that's the straight up truth. You are not trusted and as a whole, you've earned that.

So, you are telling me that all 25 conservative/libertarian guys, age range 21-62 would have refused to get out of the car when asked to do so?

saying "NO" to officer friendly should not result in your instant death or a brutal physical beat down. That is what we are dealing with though, so y'all might as well just comply from the git go, and save yourself the agony.

I'm pretty sure a big percentage would want to know why/what for. I know I would and I know I'd be pizzed as 7 shades of purple hell. GODDAMIT show some fuggin respect ! You expect it of others, you damn well better respond in kind. Cops ARE NOT some sort of superior beings. Furthermore, keep in mind IT'S MY FUGGIN CAR, this is supposed to be a free country and I'm quite likely going to or coming from work, where I earn the money to pay the taxes that pays your salary.

Let's see...

The dead chick committed suicide, so she was NOT murdered by the cops.

The dead chick had tried to commit suicide at least once before this year, and had self-inflicted wounds on her wrists that predate the arrest.

The dead chick had a huge amount of marijuana in her system.

This is no longer an "assassination" and no longer death by cop, so now it's just "the cop was an [bleep]" and should be fired because he was too much of an [bleep] to deal with her being an irrational, likely very stoned, and verbally abusive individual as well as her physically resisting arrest.

Got it.

More likely the cop killed her and made it look like a suicide so the truculent bastard didn't have to face her in court.

The coroner's report blows that bullschit idea right out of the water.

Then again, facts don't matter.

The coroners report don't blow shyt and if you were half as smart as you'd like me to think you are you'd know that. The presence of THC in her system does not mean she was high at the time and there's NO reliable, definitive test that can prove she was. If there were, every cop car in America would be equipped with a potalyzer so quit trying to bullshyt me like you do everyone else here.

The coroner's report shows NO signs of any injuries other than those consistent with a suicide by hanging. Showed NO marks consistent with a struggle or any marks or other issues that would indicate any other person being involved. It should that she hung herself.

The amount of pot in her system was massive, and she either ingested it at the time of the incident or afterward, or had a HUGE amount in her system prior to the incident. That's simple biology.

Then again, I don't have an agenda to prove.

I don't have an agenda to prove either and you know damned well what I said is the truth. The level of THC in her system DOES NOT PROVE she was high at the time she was unjustifiably BRUTALIZED and arrested.

TRH officially has world class competition for the KOTY

Per tx law she was justifiably arrested moron

Did she somehow ingest a large amount of marijuana while in custody...?

I think he is referring to the stop

Possible, but damned unlikely and it was metabolized to the point (per the coroner's report) that it would have had to have occurred almost immediately after being in custody. With no marks from any type of struggle or similar, it would have been ingested voluntarily whenever she did; either by smoking or eating it.

Nah. It's always been about the seemingly poor, irrational, verbally abusive cop escalating the situation unnecessarily. At least to me.

I couldn't get my head far enough in my azz to speak from BH's perspective.

Right; the cop didn't defuse the situation. Here's the thing: he didn't have to. He had every right, legal and otherwise, to do exactly what he did. She, on the other hand, took every option to ramp up the situation and bring even more down on herself at ever turn.

The cop wasn't perfect, and definitely didn't do her any favors, but she sure as Hell made sure that she did everything possible to piss him off and make the situation as bad as she could.

Then TX law is overreaching in a FREE Republic and aught be changed azzhole.

I am so glad to see you go total batshit crazy here.

Saves me from feeling any inkling that I have to be rational with you.


Huzzah!

Yor head is so far up your azz you'd have to tip your hat to breathe and that's been obvious for a long time you inbred dipshyt.

Nothing batshyt crazy about it except to someone covering that thin blue line.

So, now it's the fault of the law?

Great; move on down there from NY (that current bastion of freedom that it is) and help them change it.

Then again, perhaps you should look closer to home for your crusade. NY Criminal Procedure Law (section 140.10(1)(a)) states that "a police officer may arrest a person for: (a) Any offense when he has reasonable cause to believe that such person has committed such offense in his presence." Traffic offenses are "offenses" under this statute, so you can be arrested for speeding or other traffic offenses in NY State as well.

So much for a "FREE Republic", eh? Make sure to clue in those 25 coworkers on this next week.

Just because something is 'the law' doesn't make it right. Just because Texas 'law' says an officer can arrest someone for a minor traffic violation doesn't make it OK to do so. Flippin' anti-gun laws are 'the law' also, and they sure as heck aren't right...!

I get he didn't have to. A good cop would have.

Legal does not make it right or wise.

He pushed for no reason, asked a question, got butt hurt, and decided he was gonna haul the mouthy broad in. That's my take on it.

Unfortunately, it's created a chit show over some hurt feelers.

yes, because that is more likely than a wingnut with a history of suicide and drug issues, who, because of persistent personal issues, is unable to make a $500 bail, would actually kill herself....

ask your friends to keep an eye on you, chief...

I've been pulled over for traffic violations several times here and was never treated like that putrid example of human filfth acted in that video. If it is law here it's as overreaching as the TX law, just as unbecoming a supposedly free people/nation and aught to be changed. The police state lives and breathes and has been out of control for quite some time.

My coworkers are more in tune with keeping an eye on you and your blue line buddies and justifiably so.

And look you crosseyed retard, I don't care much about her history. What I saw in that video was a disgusting display of a temper tantrum and subsequent brutality that is inexcusable.

How often do you act like the stupid bitch in the video?

Try it the next time you're pulled over, and report back to us.

Never said it was "okay"; only that it was legal.

Not defending the cop, but damned sure not absolving the suicidal stoned crazy bitch, either.

You're right. Police shouldn't be able to arrest folks for offenses

Blackheart is just kick starting yall. He's admitted to trolling in the past, he's just getting his kicks.

It is rather entertaining.

When you claimed to have 25 coworkers that would bother speaking to you, it's pretty obvious you're making things up.

We're a pretty close knit group. Everyone gets along well and are largely like minded. What I said about my coworkers is the absolute truth. So is my opinion of that cop in the video.

BH is giving TRH WORLD CLASS COMPETITION FOR THE KoTY

It must of been,

The cig was sure the catalyst, Amazing how cops think they can say or demand whatever they want when ever they want.

Nothing personal Pat, but LEO's keep proving what I've always believed,

Most LEO's are nothing more than control freaks.

Maybe she had it cooched? Happens often enough. She got put in the cell and dug it out of her cooter then decided to have a one woman party?

I am pretty big libertarian and civil rights guy and a former Eagle Scout, combat veteran etc.. I find some of the trends in today's policing policies to be disturbing. The big one for me is the overuse of SWAT teams for standard arrests and search warrants.

However I knew at a young age that "yes sir" "no sir" has personally helped immensely deescalate many potential "schit goes bad quickly " situations in quite a few different countries the past 40 years.

Use it at work dealing with inept management , when ever I deal with cops, game wardens, etc.

Is it fair or right that some LEO's are are aggressive power hungry unprofessional d bags? No of course not- but picking a civil rights battle on the side of a busy road when a cop pulls you over is not a place I want to use to fight or not comply with a d bag cop. One can always follow up at a later time with the LEO's supv or filing a formal complaint. Is it fair? Nope but life ain't fair sometimes and one needs to pick his or her battles.

Keep this in mind especially when dealing with LEO's working in high crime diverse urban areas. They have to deal with a lot of stress and bullschit every day. Even the goods ones have a bad day.

The cig was not the catalyst, the catalystwas her failing to exit the vehicle when demanded. The request to put out the ciGwas a precursor to arrest

The way I see it is a matter of position and responsibility. He's presumably the one with the training. He's certainly the one, again presumably, charged with serving and protecting the public. He holds all the cards. He is responsible for the situation.

I do not feel that the police officer acted professionally, regardless of the relatively minor escalation in tone she took with him. I saw her react when he commented about her being upset. He was fishing for a reaction and what she did was tell him the truth, she pulled over to get out of his way because he was coming up on her fast. Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do to me, get out of the way ASAP for the trooper. I probably wouldn't think to hit my blinker either, just whip out of the way.

Just don't react to whatever BS the cop throws at you and stay alive. That's what I take from this.

For the record, I've been intimidated at a routine traffic stop for taillights on a trailer, because a check run on me found me to have a concealed carry permit. Backup was called, lots of cop presence and attitude. Gotta show the little man who the real boss is. I left alive because I spoke the truth and kept my cool. But I'll be honest, I felt the heat they were giving off, and I didn't trust them.

And there you have it. Exactly what I and my coworkers believe. More likely to be brutalized or killed by a cop than a criminal because we're armed and can defend ourselves against a criminal.

I have no doubt you were frightened, regardless of how non-frightening the situation was.

When spoiled children are never told "No" for their entire life and grow up with that entitled attitude...."control freak" is usually the term they use to describe the people who finally have to exert some authority over them.

The only people I've ever had trouble with were spoiled children and spoiled children who had grown up into spoiled adults.

When kids are taught "rules exist and there are consequences for breaking them", they usually grow up to be well adjusted adults. They might not like the cops or the laws, but they don't throw a temper tantrum on the side of the road either.

If a TX DPS Trooper pulls over a TX CHL holder, more than likely your gonna get a warning ticket. I can think of at least 5 instances where I got a warning instead of a ticket for speeding when they saw that I have a CHL.

And I've NEVER had a problem with any TX DPS Trooper. I've always found if you treat them with respect, they respond the same way. YMMV.

The cop was the one who threw the temper tantrum on the side of the road.

PREZACTLY Eric!

Did you watch the video with your eyes open? The LONG video, and not the professionally edited to make the crazy stoned suicidal bitch out to be a victim one?

How did Bland show dis-respect to the Officer, up until the cop took things to weird and then stupid?

She sat there collected and quiet till Barney Fife eventually got what he was angling for.

WHAT video did you watch?

NO, my eyes were closed and I had the sound off,

You of all people, if that was your wife, you'd of gone ballistic.

My wife's got more sense than that crazy stoned suicidal bitch.

I know that's right.

glad you didn't use the word "common" as it seems all too uncommon.


other than street punks I've found it often best to kill with kindness

someone with an attitude, you respond respectfully and politely.

that way whether you end up having to slaughter them in court or at the side of the road you can do so with a clear conscience and still be in the right.


I wouldn't be married to someone that wasn't courteous enough to put out a lit cig where the smoke goes out an open window whether that smoke was going towards an LEO or someone working a drive thru window.


I know my wife and how she acts, if she ever gets manhandled by anyone, I know I'll be within my rights to extract whatever revenge is appropriate.

Sooooo, without reading the whole thread it sounds like we have a cop that acted without the proper amount of decorum and has since been suspended.
And we have a pot-smoking 'activist' with a big mouth who was suicidal and is now out of the gene pool.

Sounds like a "Win/Win" to me.

Not being able to raise $500 for bail from her family, friends, and mentors speaks volumes about what type of person she was.

Musta spent it all on smoke....



For $500 she should have been able to bail herself out.

yeah. it shows she was poor. no less, no more.

Hey, bleck lives matter. Get it, Ingwe.

You know her? Why didn't you bail her out?

On a $500 bond you can get released for $50.

She wasn't poor, she had a job and a pile of weed in her.

Exactamundo.

Here bond was $5000. So she could have been bailed for $500.

No, its the cops fault and you're a racist

Ahhh. Gotcha. Thought somebody has said $500 total.

Still, if her friends and family couldn't help her come up with $500....that says a LOT to me about her relationships.

I hate to admit that I heard bits and pieces of this story on the news and thought it was likely her fault that the situation escalated.

I watched the video and admit that my assumption was completely wrong.

The problem started when he ordered her out of the car for no reason other than to be Mr. Hard-Azz BULLY. He asked why she was upset and she gave an honest answer. Unfortunately, it struck a primal nerve that triggered an irrational and very unprofessional response.

You managed to extrapolate "soviet style population control" out of what I posted?

Thank you for easily identifying yourself as another kook.

Watch out for the black helicopters.. I hear 5th SF Group members are Jade Helming their way to your house right now!

dang ya'll had fun while I was gone.

All I'll toss in after reading ringy's chit, is if you don't do anything wrong, you won't be pulled over.

if you ain't smoking when you are pulled over, illegal chit, it'll be even better.

And if you aren't a smart azz it'll still be better.

Guess we'll wait and see how it all pans out...

I thought you were Jade Helm.

All of it, all by yourself.

I guess Barney Badass in the video musta missed the "rules and consequences" lesson in his upbringing.

Which video?


The edited or long raw one?

How would you feel if that had been your daughter or mother ? You always come off like the bigoted, prejudiced, moron you are every time you open your pie hole here. You epitomize the grumpy old white guy image of the typical Republican that America hates these days. Idiot.

Hell, maybe HE killed her.......

I just watched the video all the way through. The officer told the woman to put out the cigarette. She said no. He then said okay then step out of the car which she refused to do. So it does seem to this layman that the cigarette was the catalyst because things sure went down hill fast after that.

Serious question. Is there not an intermediate step between a warning ticket and going storm trooper in cases like this? Seems to me that when the woman refused to put out the cigarette he could have wrote her up for failure to signal and then for something else....akin to disrespect to a lawman or failure to obey an order. If she kept mouthing off, he could have kept writing.

The cop in the video looked real bad to me. Yes, the woman was stupid but the way she was treated seemed over the top.

Grin...

Had it been me I would have waited until her rant was over, the. Written her wvery ticket I could justify..handed her the stack of them and with a smile tell her To have a great afternoon



But i get tired of the whole" you're my employee "schtick



And I'm under no obligation to listen to your rant.


I did a lot of warrant work. And a lot of them were traffic ticket warrants for failure to appear, failure to pay fines and such. We had the option of accpeting payment as either acknowledgement of guilt and disposition of the offense, or as collateral and a choice of hearing date, or we could arrest them and arraign them.

Most of the time it was less time consuming to just accept payment, hand them a receipt and be on my way, better yet call them and tell them to get their azz to the court and take care of the warrant or I would come give them a ride to the judge.


Occasionally an arrest was required,
One I remember was a /4 year old woman who had failed to pay her arranged fine payments for disorderly conduct. Her payment was five dollars ($5.00) monthly.

When I served the warrant and explained what I was there for she immediately went off on me about what the fugg did I expect her to do, she was an unemployed single mother, her boyfriend was unemployed and she didn't get child support

Yet a quick glance around her appartment yielded an Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, new flatscreen tv(55 inch) new desk top, new lap top, a new Iphone, and 8-10 cases of beer and 4 cartons of smokes.

I replied to ther that I didn't much care either way what she did, but the court expected her to keep her agreement, and that since she had a problem with that Agreement that she was going to have the opportunity to explain it to the judge that day.

She then informed me that she had her child so there was no Way I could legally arrest her

Any guesses how that played out for her?

Well, Blackheart finally posted something intelligent and accurate.

Well, even blind squirrels occasioannly find nuts

Pun there...

Why, Sean what ever do you mean


Eyeball is ok, he's just from Texas

The doc may be "okay", but he posts more bigoted, racist, hate-filled schit daily than anyone else and the later in the day it gets the worse the subject matter, the syntax, the grammar, and the composition of the tirades.

Eyeballs cheese may be tilted off the cracker, but he's a good cracker.

Texas DPS officers used to be among the best at professional behavior, even with unruly people.

Then they started hiring lots of minorities and women.

In any DPS stop you have the right to refuse to sign the ticket and go before the judge [usually a J P].

IF you make the request politely, the Trooper may allow you to drive to the nearest one and follow you in.

The issue of signing tickets has always confused me. The ticket has been issued. In our case, "you" have 30 days to deal with it. If you don't.....default "guilty". Why the hell would I bother waiting for/dealing with someone to sign?

George

I think that the "ticket" charges you with a crime. Signing it is a promise to appear before the Judge named on the ticket to answer for your "crime".

It relieves the Officer of his duty to arrest you and book you into the jail.

Sorty, i was trying to teach that ingwe retard that black lives matter. Its white lives that dont.

Everything I post is intelligent and accurate. It could be no other way and anyone incapable of seeing that is a simpleton.

Who is that screams 'black lives matter'.

I learnt it and profess it, bro.

Seems Mz Bland is the one who didnt believe it.

I doubt he's smart enough to figure out how to kill a fly.

BH, i think the cop badgered her into doing something he could arrest her for and wanted the cig out to arrest her. I hopr the truth results in his disposition.

Agreed on that for sure.

BH, you seem to be pissed at me because Im "racist". I disagree. I save more free glaucoma, antiinflammatory and antibiotic meds for my poor black patients than i do my more well to do white patients, but im betting while you are pissed at me you overlook blacks running this nation into a financial abyss for Obama phones and EBT cards.

I don't overelook that at all and it pizzes me off too.

Pat!

Is your stringer full yet?

Biting pretty good today.

He's probably wore out two reels casting into the weeds this week before he found this honeyhole.

[he didn't know anybody noticed his efforts]

I'm hiding in my crawlspace currently. Those Green Berets are nothing but "murderous saboteurs". MUCHO MALO!

Pretty much this. A lane change stop? Until I read it and had it confirmed, I'd never have believed it. Never heard of such a thing.

That's not saying she didn't commit suicide.

What about the reserve guys? What are they?

Don't drive in Texas.

And with no more conjecture than the first quote, I bet he was pulling over anyone he could find cause to.

He was just a rookie and hadn't had time to be tainted by any one race or gender.

Murderous part-time saboteurs......

Ok, two cups of coffee and 40 minutes later, I've watched the whole video.

Only logical conclusion is your trolling.

After the first 12 minutes of video, Sandra never appears again, the rest is just Barney Fife going full Hollywood Drama Queen,

"she kicked me", "I was assaulted". Poor guy.

Is there another video I don't know about? A different Sandra Bland?

Logic clearly ain't your strong suit. Prayers sent.

Logic, you asked if I watched the whole video,

Yes I did, and it was a waste of my time, After the first 12 minutes it's nothing more than Barney trying to cover his [bleep] ups.

Later.

SO DOES THAT MAKE YOU [TEXAS] A POLICE STATE OR ARE YOU PROTECTING YOURSELVES

seams to me that its an open invitation to abuse by bad or rokie cops that have a puffed up chest.

i guess if i ever want to take a vacation with my 5th wheel to visit 24H members i had better kiss ass and plead innocence.

norm

Optionally, you could obey the traffic laws, and not have to worry about it.....

your call.

One sure fire solution is for him to keep his ass out of Texas.

With his attitude, if the cops don't get him, some redneck sure will.

not nessisarily as a tourist we all make mistakes , look at Srt Tamorisi wrong turn and how many months in a mex jail.

how many U.S. citizens try to bring hand guns into Canada every year??

[bleep] happens every day, sometimes politness overcomesazzholes in uniform.EH

The LEO in question is a very good friend of one of our EMS Captains that I work with here.

I understand that baiting, or beating etc... is NOT the MO of this particular LEO, and considering the source I've heard it from, I"ll trust that source at this point over anything else.

Obviously Waller is pretty close to us over here so it didn't surprise me to know someone that knew the officer..

Now our local PD that pulled one of our responders over en route in POV to an active CPR call with a bird inbound due to the fact he was a bit over the legal speed..... ugh.....

That person said nothing objectionable. It was a BS, if legal stop, and completely BS after he got pissy when she rightfully objected to being asked to put out her cigarette.

Maybe, he is a nice guy who had a bad day. It happens. But in that situation, he was wrong.

Or, maybe, the stop was legal, the lady was a bitch, your view is tainted, and the cop is typically a nice guy until people refuse a lawful order to get out of their vehicle?

And like the rest of the near sighted, you can't get passed the cigarette.

She was getting asked to leave the vehicle, the cigarette was only a precursor to the request to step out.

It was after her refusal to exit that things went beyond politeness.

And yeah, I know, you've heard it before.

But then again, I've heard your spiel as well...

No such thing. The NY Times and Pravda say so, they're never wrong, like cops. How could they train them anyway, sit in a bathtub full of ice-water on the weekend?

I fantasized about joining the Army and trying out for the GB's until I found out I had to be able to do not one but many pullups, every time I ate, AND jump out of airplanes. No frickin' way my metrosexual azzz could ever do either.

Twelve posts before you mentioned pull-ups. Good job TAK.

Two views on this for sure. But, there's no denying she died in police custody. That's not disputed.

I don't think she'd be dead today if she hadn't been hauled in, do you?

For the love of God, will somebody pulllleezzee haul Obama in?

It don't matter to these fugtards {that she's dead} because she was poor, black and smoked pot.

And also because she didn't signal a lane change. And 'that's' big time against the law.

Okay then, I'm trying to learn a little bit about the police business here. Why was he going to ask her to step out over a turn signal violation? According to him she was going to get a warning until she screwed up. I can't figure out why he didn't just give her the warning and be on his way. Up until the point of the cigarette, she certainly didn't kiss his ass but also was not overly bitchy from where I sit. I get that he has the right to ask her to get out, just not clear on why he would have at that point, assuming the cig was the precursor and not what set him off.

Oh yeah, how could I forget that heinous crime ?

Worthy of a beatdown for sure. The fact that she was a black activist against police brutality and died in custody was just a coincidence I'm sure. Oh I'm sorry, I meant suicide.

There's a difference in correlation and causation. But I'm not surprised that you don't get it.

I'm not surprised you'd rather attack my character than address the obvious. She was in police custody, was a black activist against police brutality, and is now dead.

What an amazing coincidence that she committed suicide. Not saying it couldn't be just an amazing coincidence, but it is very, very suspect.

It is quite apparent the over-zealous bully cop abused his authority. It is also quite apparent the cop escalated the non-threatening situation over her lit cigarette. She was a routine, non-threatening traffic stop, but because she didn't kiss his pansy azz, he felt she was challenging his authority. Then, d I c k h e a d cop decided he would show her who would and could be the bigger azz hole.

Makes one wonder where they are finding these recruits (bottom of the cesspool maybe). To defend his behavior and actions is almost as questionable as the bully's despicable behavior. There was no good reason to use excessive force or to maliciously arrest that woman, except the bully cop's male chauvinistic feelers got hurt, and he wanted to "hurt" her, either by roughing her up physically, or arresting her, or by inconveniencing her by putting her in jail, or a combination of all....yeah, Mr. Tough Guy was going to "show her". He thought he was some touch mother-f a w k e r.

His use of excessive force with a female was unjustified, and his threat to use his taser to "light her up" was equally abusive. He had no compassion when she told him she had epilepsy. What kind of a professional public servant except a total POS d I c k h e a d bully would respond "good" when told of her epileptic medical condition ?

Will he be reprimanded or indicted for excessive use of force or held accountable for his misconduct? Probably not....

Alarming, and particularly so for women. This woman wasn't even safe and protected in the presence of a Man-in-Blue. I don't think we've heard the last about this case... Thank goodness for technology....pretty pathetic when the police need policing.

Rest in peace, Sandra Bland.

How can you be poor and still afford pot?

Pot is illegal.

Seems regardless of color she was making some really stupid choices in life and eventually stupid choices often kill you. Now or later.

Seems like it was inevitable.

Thank GOD we can blame it possibly on someone other than herself.

So much for someone of whatever color she was, and I don't have a clue what color she was becuase I hadn't watched TV for probably close to 2 weeks, thankfully.

From what I read and those defending her I have to assume she was supposedly an American, of african descent possibly. Which makes no never mind.

Stupid games, stupid prizes as they say.

Can sure guarantee a smarter person would be alive, and that anyone that hangs themselves in jail, has serious mental issues, that likely will be blamed on something/one other than herself. Not that she could help the mental on her own, but still her own call.

Come to think of it, I must be as dumb as others.

I think I"ve had 2 speeding tickets at the age of 50.

Have been pulled over a few other times.

Have never been asked to get out. Have obviously never given reason for such.

Have been polite, and followed instructions.

Hmm, I've never been put in jail. Or asked to get out, even when in the wrong of speeding, running a red light and so on.

Most likely because cops don't ask white males not smoking pot or being a smartass to get out. But I could be wrong.

LOL

Keep your mouth shut, don't question The Man, don't even answer his baiting questions. Stay alive. Sick.


If someone treated your wife like this, and you saw the video, would you be of the same view that she got what she had coming?

Not directed at you Jeff, but I bet there's a bunch of hypocrites here that would be hiring attorneys and screaming bloody murder if this were their kin or spouse. But they would never admit it.

If my kin acted like a tool and got thrown in jail I'd react the same way her kin did.....I'd leave her there.

Is it very, very suspect that a woman who suffered from depression, with a history of recent suicide attempts, whose wrists were scarred from self mutilation....who had been abandoned by her family and left to sit in jail..... Would commit suicide? Is that suspect?

So the cop wasn't the only person in town who didn't like her.

You should watch the video. Neither pot, mental illness, nor race, nor her being an activist was part of the equation at the time of the arrest. The cop was a powder keg looking for a spark and the woman provided it. The woman was not the least bit interested in making things easier on herself. Classic example of two wrongs not making a right or more succinctly, two dumb asses in a hole and neither would stop digging. Bland already got her stupid prize and I expect the officer's will be forthcoming.

Black activist against police brutality arrested for mouthing off. Died while in custody. I know, what's not to love right?

She wouldn't have died in jail, certainly.

Given her past attempts, etc., who knows.

George

The State Trooper has been placed on administrative duties after the Texas Department of Public Safety (his employer) said it found "violations of procedures regarding traffic stops and the department's courtesy policy."

this...the cops job is history, maybe some will start to get the message that the world is watching their behavior...next up for his future...Walmart Greeter...

Don't dance around it, let your crazy flag fly Fireball. Tell us all about how she was murdered.

He won't get fired.

She's dead, nobody will ever know what happened because she can't tell.

All I'm saying is- plenty of reason to be suspicious.

Except. The physical evidence, which doesnmt lie, is extremely consistant with sucicide

Could be, we'll never know. But she's sure enough dead.

That's just it, we do know, and the way we know is the pathology report.

That states there were no signs of a struggle, and the ligature marks were even and consistant...another sign of no struggle

Who was it that said if you want to anger a liberal, tell them the truth?

No signs of a struggle my fuggin azz ! After what I saw and heard on that video I'm not buyin' it. The coroner is likely as crooked as the cops. And the fact that she's now dead whether via suicide or murder is a seperate issue to the despicable behavior of the cop at the time of her arrest. Look, I'm not as gullible as alot of the guys here who want to believe most cops are honest. I've seen WAAAAAAY TOO MANY cops here locally be removed from the force for everything from evidence tampering, to lieing under oath, police brutality, stealing drugs from the evidence room and reselling on the street and rape and that's just off the top of my head. There are lots of scumbags in uniform out there.