Finally in a position to move. House is sold. I’m looking for any helpful info on relocating. Initially I was looking into Wyoming but I can’t find anything suitable in my price range. I prefer a cabin or property in a mountainous part of the state. I continually read that Montana is turning into a liberal state. I don’t want my new home to turn into my old one (NJ). Should I be looking at another state? I’m an avid hunter, fisherman and trapper. What part of the state has the most variety of (huntable populations) game? Most of my research says the game populations are falling in the NW part of the state. I guess that’s wolves at work?? I love to predator hunt so bears and wolves are welcome neighbors. I’m not a fan of people so I don’t want to be near a population center. People generally suck....at least around here they do. I have a pension so I don’t need a job so that isn’t a factor. I’m hoping to fly out in May to check some properties and maybe piggyback a little bear hunting onto the trip if the weather cooperates. Thanks

Yes. Go see for yourself.

We are already full of immigrants. Try N. Idaho.

If you can't find anything suitable in your price range in Wyoming, chances are you won't in Montana, either. I think the falling game populations have more to do with the reduced logging over the past decades; instead of a variety of habitat from clearings of multiple ages, much is growing back into thick forest. The mountainous parts of the state, where you want your cabin, are the parts where population has grown greatly the last 30+ years; plains are losing population. I guess it depends on what you consider acceptable population density. Montana is not considered a retirement friendly state, tax-wise.

A) As long as you're not a liberal trying to escape a liberal mess only to help start one here, come on over.
B) In my opinion, the best area for you to relocate based on your criteria is SW Montana. Oh, it has it's share; but, the Gallatin Valley and the Bitterroot Valley are slowing becoming liberal havens. You might also seriously consider the little towns of Neihart or Monarch or even White Sulphur Springs. The Little Belt Mountains, in which those three towns are located, is what I call the undiscovered jewel of Montana. It's far enough away from the larger populated areas to not yet be infested with a large share of liberal stupidity.

it's worse.

What town do you live in? I’d like to avoid it because you’re clearly an asswipe and can’t comprehend what you read. I didn’t ask about N. Idaho. I asked about Montana so GFY

The game numbers in the N.W. are down, if you want to hunt and trap wolves you may like it? What is your budget? Can you do off grid?

Hunter 4623, when I read your post all I could think of is the beginning of Jeremiah Johnson.

Budget is $300k. I prefer to do off grid. I’m looking for a remote cabin or property. I don’t mind living in a small cabin while I build a house. No wife or kids so space isn’t a big concern. Building a place in the mountains is kind of a bucket list item. I want to enjoy the process and not be a slave to it. This is probably the place I’ll live in forever so I’m not in a rush

Ok , $300k should be doable, I am not up on real estate prices but a few years ago I saw land in the Garnet Mtns east of Missoula listed for reasonable prices. You would have to snowmobile in during winter.
Another area with reasonable prices is Anaconda , any of these areas will be liberal free for a long time.

Just avoid Whitefish, Bozeman , Missoula and you shouldn't have to worry about liberals to much.

A favorite area of mine is around Ovando, land is kinda expensive though. Off grid opens up a bunch of possibilities.

If you hate people you'll probably fit in over by Glacier National Park.

The last time I was out that way the residents there all hated *me*. Of course, they'll hate you too. But that's all part of the deal!

That does not seem like much money for where you want to be.

Sounds like you got things mapped out pretty well.

Best of luck.

You need to consider the availability medical care, the bigger cities like Helena, Missoula, Kalispell, etc will have it. Smaller towns like Plains, Havre, etc won't have many medical options. Smaller more remote towns will be cheaper, but it will be a air ambulance trip to a bigger town if you have a major issue. Remember winter no joke, if you buy a place off the main roads you might be accessing town via snowmobile, also you will be chaining up every trip. Also make sure you have at least phone and power, living off grid won't be a picnic at -30. Lots of folks come here with your dream, and a lot leave after a year or two.


If your looking for remote, visit now and see what winter will bring. By May it will be melted out and you won't have a clue.

is there lots of liberals like you in Montana?

Ignore that guy.

He's a Tester voting liberal whore.

Yep, we don’t want you.

And you are a pussy.

Wrong again. But unlike you, I do like it.

I thought everyone was gender neutral to you libbies?

You are mistaken WF bear, lib's are gender confused, different than neutral

Oh yes, I remember now; they can use any bathroom. They can stand, squat, or just roll in it.

Natives won’t take to you but other immigrants will. Good luck

I'd suggest renting for a year first before you pull roots in Jersey. Just to get the feel of it before you become obligated.
In all my years in Montana I know 2 guys that moved here from New Jersey. Both are currently back in New Jersey.

Both were single one retired one not. Neither knew each other and the events were years apart.
I spent some time around both, avid hunters/fishermen etc. etc.
Both had a pretty sharp edge to them, kinda short fused so to speak. Neither one of these guys were excepted very well in the community over all, maybe it's just an azzhole Montanan thing or something.

I always found the similarities between the two to be rather odd being their only common denominator was being from New Jersey. Best I can recall both made it for about 5 years. Neither had a good thing to say about Montana when they left.

So, thats why I say, rent for at least long enough to really get the feel for the area and how people respond to you. You can go remote and "hermit up" all you want but a some points you'll find yourself interacting with others in any area you may choose to reside in.

Figured

Whatever you do don't move near callnum

Zing!

The libtard Aboriginal strikes again!

He would be happier in Jersey.

They should swap.

What town do you live in? I’d like to avoid it because you’re clearly an asswipe and can’t comprehend what you read. I didn’t ask about N. Idaho. I asked about Montana so GFY [/quote]

You sound like the typical Yankee. Why don't you just stay where you are and save the rest of us from the trouble of your presence?

Y'all need to have a Campfire Gathering in Montana and personally invite him..

I dont have his address...but we could put up fliers at the YMCA advertising needles and safe injection sites.


Be sure to smoke him out that way.

One thing for sure if we met at Jimmy’s place we would eat well. I’ve seen his pics.

I'll take Ol' Jim over an earthworm with the schidt slung out of it, like you... any day.

The White Sulphur Springs area has my vote. It's where I bought to escape California*. You could do really well with a $300,000 budget. White Sulphur Springs has the basics and it's a pretty unspoiled area all the way south until you get close to Livingston, and it takes all of about 70 minutes to get to Bozeman if you need an airport, hospital or the other things a larger town offers.

*Because I'm still taking care of my elderly parents in California, I'm not in Montana full time, and because my wife is more of a city person, we bought the house of her dreams in Bozeman...but when I'm in Montana, I am at the cabin near White Sulphur Springs as much as I can be.

You sound like the typical Yankee. Why don't you just stay where you are and save the rest of us from the trouble of your presence?
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I’m far from a liberal and save the yankee bullshit for someone else. I have zero patience for asswipes that think they know who someone is based on where they live....guys like callnum...and you. So please feel free to GFY

Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate the input from guys that have something positive to add

You should invite me to your cabin.

hunter4623 one other thing, don't expect the locals to be your best buddy, not for awhile anyway. Montana is a frame of mind , live and let live, respect privacy and be patient when you contract work with locals. For example if the sun is shining they may go fishing rather than show up on your job, if it's hunting season good luck...... snowmobile season etc....

Oh and avoid callnum..

Jim, I have seen pic's of Remsen's cabin it is uber......

Jim, you are hereby, officially, irrevocably invited to my cabin!

I fail to understand these regular requests from people that live east of the Mississippi for suggestions about places to live in the Rocky Mountain states. If you think that you want to move, spend some vacation time and a little money looking around. Use the internet to investigate various places and regions and make list of places to visit. Prioritize them based on your research and start checking them out in person.

In the course of getting to these places, you will encounter other places and communities that may actually be more interesting and attractive to you. Talk to people. Find out if the locals are the kind of folks that you want for neighbors, and find out if the services and amenities that you are looking for exist in these places.

I have been fortunate to spend most of my career working in the Rocky Mountain states, and I have found a lot of places and people that I enjoy visiting, but many (and perhaps most) are not places where I want to spend my retirement money and put down roots.

If you really want to see about building a cabin in the mountains in Montana, get a big topographic map of the state with a vegetation overlay and put it on your wall. Take a handful of darts and throw them at the green polygons. That will give you a few places to start looking--and if you do, you will probably find other areas that are worth considering, as well.

Good luck with your quest.

I’m far from a liberal and save the yankee bullshit for someone else. I have zero patience for asswipes that think they know who someone is based on where they live....guys like callnum...and you. So please feel free to GFY

Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate the input from guys that have something positive to add[/quote]

But who was the one that called folks asswipes and said GFY? Typical, typical of you folks north of the grit line.

That’s what I’m looking for. I don’t want to bother anyone and I don’t want to be bothered. That’s the main reason I want to live someplace remote. I’ve met quite a few people from that part of the country and we share very similar outlooks. It’s Beautiful country and the people I’ve met were very genuine. I like that. I have the same mindset.

But who was the one that called folks asswipes and said GFY? Typical, typical of you folks north of the grit line. [/quote]

I didn’t ask for his input on not moving to Montana and going to N Idaho. He was being a dick and I returned the favor. Same with you so GFY....says this northern Yankee

That's some solid advice. Take the time to actually visit. Summer and winter. Take the posts on here with a heavy dash of salt. I'd recommend pm'ing members that aren't tools and asking them.

As to callnum, well they speak for themselves and no one else. And it's up for debate where they even live and if they're not a sock puppet/troll. If it's strictly the landscape you're looking for there's a lot more places to live than MT that can match it or come close for scenery. If you've got your heart set on MT, then simply put, Havre has it.

Some times when you ask questions you get answers you don't like but yet it's the answers you need to hear. Stay home. You have a very bad attitude, short temper, and no one wants the hear that's the way we did it in New Jersey.

If you want remote, the area around Plains and Noxon is also very nice. The westside in generally a little warmer. Off grid land is pretty cheap here, $1k-$2k a acre. Water will be your biggest issue without power. Honestly I couldn't imagine living off grid here in the winter, but folks do it. There was a decent house off grid on ~20 acres near me for under $200k not long ago. There is/was also a small off grid cabin on 25 acres for around $125k that had utilities on the road , remote but not too bad of a 20 mile trip to town. www.nmar.com has listing for NW MT. I have a nice a-frame-cabin looking house I'm almost done remodeling on 10 acres about 15 minutes to town, but I'll probably sell it to Californian this spring and retire to AZ .

In addition to what I posted above, watch a season or two of "Northern Exposure" if you want to get a feel for it "off the grid" up here. Ya, I know the show took place in Alaska; however, I know several of those "characters" and they all live here in Montana. They just have different names.

If you want to go full hermit Montana is good place to do it, but you better be tough...

Basically, any place that you live west of the Mississippi is going to be a lot more to your liking than Jersey. Actually, I've found that most any place west of there period is nicer to live. Just move--you'll like it better. Avoid the west of I-5 corridor on the Left Coast, and all will be well.

I live off the grid in the mountains. It ain’t easy. Had 4 ft of snow the past 5 days. How good are you at fixing things? I come out now and visit to see if you really want to
Live six months or more out of the year like it is now.

I prefer Browning to Havre

If I ever move or need to relocate I am headed to Mississippi.

I aint going someplace else in Montana.

Too many folks from Jersey movin in.

Dang! Where is that?

I was in Tupelo Mississippi a few months ago for work. It was actually a very nice area with really good fishing and hunting
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I’ve already gotten some good info from members here thru PM in response to this thread. I plan on heading out the last week of May and probably the Second week of September after I return from a bear hunt in Maine. I like the idea of renting out there for a year to see how I like everything. Thanks

Hey buttercup
How about you go start a thread about northern Yankees and bad attitudes and let the adults talk here

Thanks
Signed
Bad attitude, northern yankee from NJ




Oh and GFY

If you want to live in the boonies, you need to remember four letters. S N O W.
There are depressed parts of Montana where you can find a crummy shack to live in, but it will take some doing.
But yeah, come on out. I'd forget the hunting, worry about that later.

I’m more concerned about bitter cold as opposed to snow. Seems the western part of the state is a bit warmer than the central part according to the USDA growth charts I looked at. Are there a lot of seasonal residents in the mountains or are they mostly full time residents? I’d rather not spend all of my time feeding a wood stove and digging out from the snow instead of being out in the woods doing what I enjoy.

It is milder in the west than over here in the east.

They do get some snow however.

For [bleep]'s sake

Guess I got suckered into making a serious post on what I took to be an honest thread.

Ah well

You have two choices, go East and you wont have as much snow but bitter cold and windchill and possible blizzards. Go west and you have deep snow, gloomy gray days. If you don't want to spend all day feeding a stove and shoveling snow you might be better off elsewhere. Several months of the year I cant cross my property without snow shoes.

I know where I'd go but sorry ain't sayin'!

My yard and this is a mild snow year...

I moved out west from NYC 14 years ago. But I grew up in NW WI on a dairy farm and have lived in many places so I knew what I was getting into.You have a lot to learn

You want to
Live in a remote area of NW Montana in a remote location off the grid and not cut wood feed the stove and not deal with snow removal. And just hunt and fish?Wow. Good luck

FIXT...

Actually, the renting suggestion has a good bit of merit to it. Renting one place for a couple years. Or, renting a couple places for a year each. Give you time to get to know the area, and possibly see something you might like better, BEFORE you spend the nest egg. A lot easier to do recon when you are local.

I'd like to meet your dog. Good looking sumbish.

You will Gruff, when we go fishing she goes....

Saw it right off.

Montana and Idaho both see a lot of folks with the same thoughts as yours about the great west and living it rough, most of them make it a year or two and then they are back where they came from.

Most small towns are cliquish and regardless of whether you want interaction with locals or not it is a necessary part of life. As far as not having to spend most of your winter dealing with snow and firewood, the idea of spending your time hunting, fishing, and trapping are pretty much a fantasy.

There is a fellow who moved in near me (about 30 miles away) from your part of the world. He did the same thing you are proposing to do - he came out in late spring and again in early fall - he fell in love with the country even though he was told he should spend a winter before purchasing, he failed to heed the advice. The first winter he was constantly posting pictures on forums and talking about how great it all was, now he is going into his second winter and is already talking about selling and moving closer to a city for more conveniences. Reality hits when you realize that it is 30 miles or more, to a gas station, or even a place to buy a loaf of bread. It is neat to think about snowmobiling out to get supplies, etc but the day the snowmobile doesn't start and you have no cell service reality sets in quickly.

Spend a least a year renting to see if the country fits you and you fit the country, and even then there are no guarantees. Last winter I had 3 ft of snow and it was a constant battle just to keep my 300 yard lane open to the nearest plowed road - this year I haven't had more than 2 inches of snow on the ground at once.

I have a friend in the Flathead that sells real estate, he says it is the greatest place in the world to be a real estate salesman -
Folks come see it in the late spring, summer, early fall and fall in love with it. Then after one winter of not seeing nothing but gray skies and shoveling snow the property is back on the market waiting for the next dreamer.

drover

Hey, ass*hole. You don't even know the guy.

He asked a thoughtful question and that's all you've got?

What a pos.

We live in the 'fancy' part of town and my neighbor is currently plowing 'our' street. No HOA strictly REZ.



Granted in town and .5 acreage but I'd let the palace go for $300k.

And that would include 1 month per year of super prime beaver and coyote trapping rights.


And firewood rights.

I live on the Westside of the state and you better like snow. You will not be out hunting or trapping or whatever you think you will be. You will be filling the fire place and plowing snow and shoveling your roof and digging yourself out. Trips to town for will be an all day event. Did it today. 100 miles to Missoula. Left at 8am. Home at 4:30. It is what it is. We have lots of implants in our community. They seem drawn to it for some reason. They last on average 2-3 years and gone. Many places for sale as a result. Our local population is sick on the invasion and will treat you as such. Money has no influence on that either. Most people don’t have much money and are content that way and won’t be nice just to get some of yours. If you have an east coast acsent it will be even harder. All the public land is virtually inaccessible during winter months due to snow. All the good land is occupied/owned and what’s left is unoccupied for a reason. Towns are clicky and might take many years to be accepted. They six months of spring/summer/fall are great but a lot of your time will be preparing for winter and doing maintenance on the structure and property. Many years we are covered up in choking smoke from forest fires come summer and fall. Premium tags are getting harder and harder to draw even as a resident. Every man woman and child hunts so while the population is low the woods are crawling. Taxes aren’t as good as one would think. Insurance premiums are higher than most states.
Vehicle registrations are high on newer vehicles. You spend half of hunting season cuttin wood for the coming winter.

I am sure I am missing a bunch of other things I commonly hear. Montana is a mindset and without the proper one, it is NO paradise. You must charish the lifestyle to fully appreciate the state. Come visit and spend some time before doing anything. If you want less people the west side is the wrong side. But then again the East side is pretty vacant for a reason.

Living remote, the importance of maintaining my wood supply and keeping a steady fire burning some what parallels what keeping meat in my freezer, food in the frig and preparing and eating meals is like. It can be on a continual regular basis without option.

Folks living in town shovel and dig their way out of a snow fall.

Folks living rural have a truck with a plow attached, typically a dedicated unit so you don't beat the hell outta the pickup they drive regularly.

Folks living remote own heavy equipment, bulldozer, road grader, etc. I got by with a backhoe once but it kinda sucked.

It's sorta like keeping up with the wood stove or eating, ya can't let it slide. Often one good snow deserves another, if ya let it pile up well, that's where the D7 dozer comes into play.

I have 2 miles of road that's only maintained by a few folks, then there is the driveways, some upwards of a 1/4 mile long. We have a older gal that lost her husband 3 years ago, been doing that drive ever since. A young family that lives half ways to the hardtop road has two kids they have to drive in to town to school every week day, the husband is in the Marines and deployed right now, that's another one that is on the list until he gets back.

That's the basics, thats just getting the day started,,,,,

Must be close to spring, your snow drift is sprouting a dog.


I plow about 1/2 mile of private road to get to the county road, plus part of yard so the dogs can go potty. If you plan on heating with wood, even a small place will eat 4-5 cords a year. I burn 3-4 tons of pellets each year so I don’t have to cut wood.

Speak for yourself.

You are an A1 douche.

Yep

Good reality check. Between plowing, keeping for going, getting snow off roof, fixing plow, generator helping neighbor with ms get his driveway plowed have had very little free time this past week

That's a beautiful Akita, she's perfectly suited to the cold months too!
I haven't had one for 35 years but it's too warm down here these days for their luxurious coat anyway...

Lots of valuable information in this thread. I appreciate the input. Keep it coming.

Good looking dog !

The biggest mistake you’ll ever make is showing up and immediately buying a place... live here and rent for a couple years. Get a couple winters under your belt. Explore the state. Take your time. It’s a lot easier to buy rural property than sell it...

The poster would do better in Arizona. Trolls hate snow.

First off I am assuming your $300K is to buy property and build with, not what you have total. If it is in fact $300K for property and building you are way over funded unless you plan to build something extravagant. Not a bad thing to be over funded.

As Brad said rural property is a lot easier to buy than sell.

Second In the mountains or tree's means plowing snow on a regular basis, or snowmobile. Could also mean off the grid, which firewood is going to be necessary.

As others have said already medical attention isn't going to be near by. Nor are well stocked stores. So when you drive however far and long to get into town and you forget something guess what? Yup it's a long ways/time back.

Have you considered also the implications of forest fires?

There are some small towns that compared to where you are from will feel very remote. These towns may scratch your itch rather then up in the mountains.

I would suggest like everyone else has to come spend time here first. I think your opinion of that you want now and what you want after being here at least one whole year will change.

See?

I wasn't bullshittin'.

Just to be fair and brief, I would forget the cabin in the woods. That is a dream that will turn into a nightmare. I was born and have lived my entire life in Montana and I will never leave. We had a cabin in the woods and it was the best place in the world to spend the summer and fall, but winter is relentless and the older you get the less you will like it.

Just so I won’t have to say “I told you so,” forget living in a cabin in the woods and modify your last residence to a place much more accessible and available to stores, doctors and necessary support to make life enjoyable.

I guarantee you happiness in such a decision and disappointment if you pursue the remote lifestyle...

You stated what you wanted and what you don't want. Problem is, those 2 things, as you described are mutually exclusive. You can't get a "remote" property in the mountains/timber that isn't going to require a lot of maintenance whether that be maintaining roads, clearing brush, thinning trees, plowing snow etc.

A thought would be to look at proprty, as some have suggested, on the fringes. In the country between a small town and the timber. On a gravel road somewhere yet accessible to the mountains you want to be in. If you know anything about Montana geography, there are tons of options that fit that bill.

This.

Buy a home in a small community near some wilderness or mountains. There are many to choose from. Buy a beautiful piece of property back off the road and away from anyone else and put a cabin on it. You can spend the good months back and forth to the cabin and winter at home where the roads are plowed and sanded, firewood and mail get delivered, and the neighbor kid shovels your walk.
Also just about everybody around here is friendly. We could use more conservative minded people moving here.

Let's clarify something here, Hunter. Do you want a cabin or do you want a log home. We see SOOO many people moving in from the West Coast and Back East who build themselves a 5000 square foot log home with all the bells and whistles and then snarkily call it their "Cabin".

I can tell you without fear of contradiction that if you intend to come out West and get a cabin up in the woods way off away from everyone and everything, you are doomed to disappointment,, the first time you get snowed in and dont have a snow machine to get out with and have to spend 2 weeks before someone takes pity on you and plows you out, you will realize the error of your ways.

Listen to all the guys who live where you are proposing to go. They know what they are talking about. Come out and rent something for a year, see how you like it and see what you are going to need to do to survive.

Hunt4623: Headed out soon to chase guns so don't have time to go into details right now.
But for great Hunting, fishing, trapping, few people, great views, MILD winters and summers, extremely low taxes, lowish property prices and energy costs be sure to visit/look into the huge triangle shaped area in SW Montana with these small towns as the corners of the triangle!
Melrose, Montana, Alder, Montana and Lima, Montana.
I have been here 21+ years and consider it heaven on earth in every way!
Good luck and congrats on your wonderful decision.
Let me know if I can help or provide further information.
And this we have a great new hospital here in Dillon, Montana with many excellent Doctors who also "wanted to get away"!
More later
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Alabama is what you want....

LOL, I’ve built some of those “cabins.”

However, 300k doesn’t go very far here, so there’s no real danger of a 5,000 sf “cabin” with that sort of budget!

depending on where you are at...300k might get your dirt work , foundation, driveway and septic...….bob

All those pretty people and pretty mountains come at a cost!

You forgot about the property... the “right” 20 acres can go for 1 million+

Not to say you can’t get 20 acres for under 300K, but if it’s in the mountains, it’s going to require a snowmobile for that kind of money!

And you're gonna need a well............They're a wild card and a half for costs.......

And then there’s that.

My neighbors here in town moved from a large Midwestern city to a beautiful 20 acre parcel on the Eastern side of the Beartooth plateau. They built their dream house, but didn’t drill their well until well into construction. At 1200’ and no water, they finally quit, resorting to trucked-in water in a cistern. After two winters they’d had enough and moved to town.

Some things look good from afar, but are far from good...

Geeze Sam, when’s the last time you made it town. ..,, laughing

Hunter, you may want to swing by here this May and check out the Missouri Breaks first.
Petroleum county for example has 1674 sq miles and only 523 people, making it the leastpopulated county in Mt.
Thats 3.2people per square mile, and most of them live in town. Most of the property in the county is open tohunting by way of state/blm ownership, oris enrolled in BMA program.
Coyote, bobcat, beaver, mink and coons are abundant for trapping, and of course there is some of the best elk hunting in the state here. Deer and antelope and turkey are also on the menu. Possibly the best walleye and pike fishing in the country 9 miles north of here in Fort Peck res /Missouri river. You will never have to worry about urban sprawl here.
Nearest mountains are 60 miles to the Judiths, or about 80 to the Snowys. Nearest bank or fast food, Doctor, or basicly anything consided a town is 100 miles to Lewistown.
Montana real estate is one of the least for your money situations you will find anywhere
I moved here 10 years ago so I could raise my boys in a fashion that about all of us wished we could have experianced.
There is no place lke it for remote, even here in MTt. Check out some of my sons posts from hunting and trapping last season and you will get the idea (mtcurman) is what he goes by. Good luck on your search.

Shhhhhhh^^^^^


No need for that info on the internet.

Sammo, that is awesome ..... and true....;)


Brad & BobMt, the O.P. indicated he wanted something simple and off grid , so the $1million 20 acres is not an issue I am guessing?

You want to live among liberals with views, lakefront etc.... ya a huge budget is the ticket. But a simple off grid cabin should be doable for the budget he has.

The point about the well is a very good point, I call it the well casino, you may win you may lose... never know till ya try. I bought my land with the knowledge my neighbors wells were 60' to 100'

My well is 250' feet so that has a big impact on the budget.

All this being said I am taking the O.P. at his word that he wants remote and off grid, it is up to him if he can handle that lifestyle, he needs to be honest with himself, it aint easy...

I did my land shopping in winter, that way you can asses how the access will be during the winter.

If he truly wants to be a hermit I believe he can achieve that with his budget. If he wants views and "pretty people"..... no, you cant have too much money for that...

What your off grid road will look like 5 months a year





A little “cabin” I’m remodeling on 10 acres

If your read everything I wrote you’d understand I know he has a 300 K budget.

Sounds like Mississippi/Alabama would be a better fit for ya.

hey damnit are you bringing into question my reading comprehension?
This is the campfire by golly and we can make up what we want.
You pretty mtn people are snobs.......

I like your cabin Norm.......

Here is mine

It is on grid and in a kinda liberal free zone, so no pretty people....

FWIW, the 'tree' was hung up before I cut on it.


This is daily survival.....

if he doesn't have to work...….if my budget was 300k ..all in....land, building.....septic….well....off grid capable...and willing to live remote..you could do it......you will need to have some money for equipment....at least a midsize backhoe...I would think....

I would definitely rent first, look around...then buy …..I also wouldn't give 2 schiits what locals think......don't be a dick and you will get along fine...….I will throw out an area that would work......Musselshell river out of mosby…...brads post and mine where in response to jinyorks...bob

Dang BobMt and Brad , you guys took me behind the woodshed for a good wooping... I am sorry and wont make that mistake again....

The Musselshell area is a good suggestion, no need to worry about liberals there...


Sammo you are an animal... ha ha

One of my friends and his dad are selling a portion of their farm.


We got to talking and there is a spot with numerous extra terrestrial sightings.


I asked if he thought they might sell off a 10-40 acre piece so we could build a 'place'.


Of course and the land would be under $1k/acre.

well now you know.....and knowing is half the battle.....ha...…..bob

This always made me laugh and is on topic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLMwzDR4qY

Nice cabin ifubar, I’m hoping to build one for myself soon. My current place is getting to close to town, but will hang in until my wife doesn’t have to commute anymore.

Super sweet 'cabin'.

And dog!

Sam, that dang dog of mine is like living with a rockstar, cant believe all the attention she gets....

That has got to be relaxing place.


I'd be content to live the rest of my life at a place like that.

Sort of a similar vein....as Sam kinda...



The trick is to Survival Montana is marry a hard working woman who dont mind getting yelled at once in a while.

Quit talkin' about it and give 'em their feed!


Fascinating watching people work I tell yeah.....



laughing

Mississippi has everything you need.

rent a cheap house in Dillon for a year. that'll tell you if you really want to live in MT.

I would have said Anaconda, but I'm not trying to mess with you like some of these guys.

Sycamore

Schit. Dillon aint hardly Montana.


Soft asses live in Dillon. Thats easy country.




Cept for last year.........I guess it was really a bitch.

You'd likely be eating apple sauce...

I'm tryin' not to get anybody kilt. I could have sent him to Wisdom, if I wanted to do that.

You don't even know where you live apparently.




Hint.




It's not in Montana...

Ya! Schit them guys are practical neighbors!

NC.......MT...

Well, Schit they're all letters of the alphabet. Must be neighbors just down the road!

Cooke City might be to his liking - it's kinda remote.

Kentucky is everything you desire.

Sounds good.

$300k is my all in budget. I want a small cabin not a giant log home. 1000sqft max with a shop for projects and fixing stuff. Pulling power from the road is convenient but I’d do solar if required. That’s a big chunk of budget. I definitely want a well. One benefit of the state is they have a searchable map to see how deep the wells are. Digging a dry hole and not getting to water eats up a bunch of budget so I’d like to avoid that. Forest fires have been in the back of my mind but I didn’t want too many variables to begin with or I’ll never get started. Once I get zeroed in on general areas, I can spend some time out there driving and looking. If I find something suitable, I’d like to rent for a year or so an experience the place before I buy anything. I’m retired and don’t NEED a job. I worked since I was 10 and it sounds like snow removal and firewood will keep me plenty busy. I don’t have kids so good schools don’t matter.

There has been a ton of advice here and even some of it good. It sounds like you have your mind set on a remote “off the grid” kind of place.

Go for it, but remember when you are ass deep in snow and the sun isn’t shining on your solar panels, you have influenza and can’t get out of bed to start a fire, this is the spot you picked to die...

Which by far would be better than anywhere in New Jersey..........

That is a sweet setup, ifubar! Love it!

Tennessee has everything you need.

I have had few close calls with forest fires near my log home in the mountains over the years. Thank god the wind shifted. Can be quite nerve racking

My generator schit the bed a few weeks ago. Not fun getting a 250 lbs generator in a full size pick up to take to town for repair.

Lots of heavy lifting, pulling carrying. Fixing equipment outside in sub zero temps. Your old body handle this?

Have to be able to get along with neighbors even if you don’t like them. You don’t want to alienate anyone and think you’ll be fine on your own. Your life could depend on this if live remote. Always volunteer to help
Locals with work, fund raising , community activities etc

Just because you find well water doesn’t mean it’s any good for drinking etc

Thanks for the compliments guys, I built this cabin myself and it is connected to the grid and did it within the budget the O.P. proposed. It sits in the middle of my 8 acre lot about 25 miles from town.
Feels much more remote than it is. Cant see a neighbors house and never will. I have a handgun range in the back, a lake within 1/4 mile and endless back country within a mile.
I have had moose, elk , bear, deer of course, and Mt. lion in the yard. It was a ton of work and not without risk but it is doable.......

I have some experience making a move from Oregon to New Mexico. I bought 5 acres up in the highlands near a small town called Moriarty. I commuted about 60 miles each day round trip to work in Albuquerque. Summer and fall temps and weather patterns were different than the PNW. You could go from sun and shirtsleeves in December one day then the next day wake to 4’ft of snow. I’ve had 6’ft tall snow drifts all around my house for weeks or longer.

Being I was somewhat remote. Good grocery shopping was 30 miles away. I absolutely loved living up on the plains. Awesome weather patterns with lightning and thunder in the summers that made a guy think the world was splitting apart. Varmint hunting was spectacular having access to much of the Kings Ranch properties. I killed a lot of yotes that winter.

My wife on the other hand totally hated living there. She was used to cities, paved roads and the bustle of people. We lasted a year, then one morning she got up to go to work-She was an RN Cancer Nurse and as she was heading out the front door, she stopped, called to me and when I met her at the door she said to me...”I hate this place”.....”I hate my job”....”And I fuucken hate you”...She said she was gonna move back to Portland, I could go or stay she didn’t care...Funny thing, it was her idea to move in the first place. I wanted to move to Arizona. She thought it wasn’t rustic enough...

We moved back to Portland and divorced 2 years later....I made a lot good friends hunting in New Mexico. I know I can handle the extreme weather changes. I guess living on the Oregon Coast can toughen a guy up to many months of Schitty weather...

If you are considering a move to a geographical area that will show you weather and animals you aren’t accustomed to experiencing. Make sure you’re able to just roll with whatever happens and you have a spouse who can as well. Otherwise it’s just a long trip packing up and heading back to where you came from..😎.

Fubar....I would definitely want to be your neighbor. I would love you to try and hate me being from Oregon. Bet you wouldn’t after we had too many beers, solved the worlds problems and explored each other gun wares. I don’t have a boat....But you do. Grin 😎

Beav, for an Orgonian you are a good dude and would be welcome at my camp anytime. As far as the beer and boat ya got that covered......


my new toy....

No pretty people. LMAO.

Take this for what it's worth but I'd look more in WY. The tax situation is a lot better in WY and from what I've been looking at, so is the cost of housing. Finding work on the other hand may be easier in MT.

Be carful, irfubar has a known association with the ever aggrandizing DF (deflave)...

Minnesota is what you are looking for.

What is the cost per foot of a well in your part of the country?

Yes, I have a place you can buy so I can move west.

SWEET!!

New boats?


Things must be pretty tough on the west side.

I opened a new ketchup yesterday......

Deflave , my campfire life coach, beer drinking buddy and so called friend shows up at my house drinks all my beer, goes home wont answer my calls then I find out through the campfire he has moved to Florida and became a socialist........

So I have decided my new life C.F. life coach is Big Stick..... He told me I was a drooling dumb phuuk and get off yo couch..... I know Stick likes knives so I decide I need knives, I cant afford ingram knives on my $600 mo. disability check so I decided to befriend Gruff ( he has a forge) so I pulled the leaf springs out of mt truck and am strapping on my snow shoes to head up to the arctic to the Gruff outpost/homestead and forge me some knives.....

At least I dont have influenza (only cabin fever) so there is a chance will survive out here on the frontier......

Jim,
I started a multi level market scheme selling Hate Trump hats & t-shirts, the lib's around here fall for that chit every time...... or pretty people as Sam calls them

Tzone,
We are currently experiencing a housing boom and if you can even find help they are charging top dollar, I believe around $150 to $250 a square foot.
You can find a few acres for around $100k , as others have said the well is a wild card......

I built my place 4 yrs ago and material and land was cheaper. I did all the work myself except pouring the foundation, drywall/texturing, and insulation. My cost for just the house was around $60.00 sq. ft.
I have less than $300k total, house/land / outbuilding etc....


Ooops sorry tzone just re-read your post and saw you were asking about the well, best I can remember it was around $50.00 ft

When my cabin grows up, it wants to be like this one.

Dang! That is a nice boat! Congrats!

Fubar....Hewes makes a nice boat. Congrats on knowing a quality, well made craft.
PS
One day I’m gonna be on that boat. Gas and bait on me of course. 😎

Beav,
You have an open invitation my friend. Jud is coming up in July and we are going to find him a hog pike....... hopefully

Flaves a kghunt....But a smart kghunt. Plus we both play well with pistols. We’d need a lot more beer and liquor if Dave showed up. Grin 😎

Beav,
I wouldn't want Flave shooting at me with a handgun that guy can shoot..... he's damn good with a rifle and shotgun also

Never volunteer to buy the beer, you will go broke.....

Fubar, Thank you! I will take you up on that invitation in the near future. It’s very helpful when local talent can explain the pros and cons of areas when considering buying a home with land...Jud will be a hoot for you to hang with. He’s a solid dude! 😎

I should grow alligator arms if Flave is around? Yeah, that won’t work for me...I hate cheap-asses who won’t buy a guy like Trav a Shirley Temple when he’s a broke-dick...Grins 😎

Florida is where he needs to be.

Nice boat, but you probably should have gotten the flat bottom one as hard as the water is around here

Norm, I know , I can hardly contain my self till the thaw. Got some riggin to do tho, electronics, downriggers, kicker etc.....

Beautiful houses and thanks again for the great info.
Sweet boat too

Good excuse to build a heated shop to be sure your get everything done on the boat before breakup. I'd say that boat deserves a heated winter parking spot anyway.

You gotta do better than a few Fat Pike with that rig.
I've really banged the Lakers on WF and Flathead lakes as well as McDonald before the quarantine was required.
Fort Peck has always been worth the drive for me when the King Salmon run hits and man do they have some nice Pike there........

sparky,
I have a bit of experience with flathead lakers myself, sold my old boats years ago and an looking forward to getting after it again. I have a john boat and have been after the pike and bass the last few years.
As far as the heated shop ya I hear ya and it is in the plans, for the time being I will build another lean to on the other side of the garage.
And Ft. Peck is definitely on the agenda for both fishing and hunting out of the boat.
I would be interested in your experience with McDonald and Whitefish lakes as I have not fished them.

And hunter4623, I say follow your dreams, do so with both eyes open. I wish you the best

If you go out on WF lake be sure and moon the rich corcksuckers whose houses line the far bank.

Check your spelling please. It's Montucky.............. Not Kentucky.

We full

No gunzo I am pretty sure he said Kentucky....... Montucky is full.....

Gruff, I will moon them with pleasure!!

How do you feel about the Irish?

For $300K you can get a city block in Anaconda.

You might wish you had bears and wolves for neighbors then.

Nah,......nothing in Kentucky at all. Ya look out my front door and it's just a void.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/52958.jpg

No cornshucks in front of dem chars

Hmmm, racist are we?
You drive through downtown Anaconda and you will think you went back 30yrs in time. The houses are painted and clean , the yards immaculate, flower beds etc....
Not the kind of place a commi loke you would like Sycamore...

I like to tease Rancho about living down in Bozeman with all the beautiful people. It's the fuuckin' Beverly Hills of Montana!

Won't lie, I do miss the scenery.



Meanwhile....

Idaho is just the place.

Sycamore, you are truly a moron.

How are you at carpentry, electrical, roofing, wrenching on equipment? Cold weather and spring thaws always brings new issues with everything. Laying in a winters supply of wood by yourself is not as easy as you think, especially if you are haven,t spent much time behind a saw. I live on 3 acres in Idaho and wish I could spend more time hunting and fishing.

why's that?

Anaconda has a lot going for it. location is good, housing is cheap, mountains close by.

There are a lot of Irish though.

That's a problem for some people.

The real estate in Anaconda was once so valuable the houses were built very, very close to one another. Like 6 inches. You can see the house to the left in the pic sycamore posted. There are several streets of homes like this.

Who is that a problem for?

The cast of Blazing Saddles??

just reading the campfire, all kinds of people have all kinds of problems with all kinds of neighbors.

wouldn't want anybody gettin' shot over a sofa in the garbage....

The thought process of a liberal is a scary thing.....

I don't think providing information would be considered a liberal thing? maybe up on the flathead?

The problem the info you provide is 180 degree's off, typical of liberal logic though....
Carry on........

Are you saying there are not Irish people in Anaconda?

Or that houses aren't cheap in Anaconda?

How long since you moved in from California?

You don't seem to know much about Montana.

Hunter4623, I have owned property in MT for nearly 40 yrs. I moved to MT from a liberal hell hole to find peace and respect. I found it in NW MT out in the county, not in town. It did require tim3 for my neighbors to warmup time. I asked nothing of them, offered help which was welcome and respected their privacy. Thus far my life in MT has been rewarding. I did not want to change their lives, their politics nor their minds to parallel mine. I/we are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. We live a conservative lifestyle. Alll we desire is to live amongst good down to earth people. I hunt, fish, work hard and help my neighbors. I/we live on a dead end road. We are the youngest couple, at age 71 and 66, at the end of this road. We all look after each other. Demand nothing and respect each other’s families. This, in itself, is Montana in its’ finest.
BTW, people ask me about the cost to live in MT. I reply that a person has to work two jobs to be poor. I am retired and have plenty of work that I volunteer for. This is makes me smile! MTG

Sycamore,

You are a typical liberal... live in Az. and you know more about Montana than the people who have been here for a looong time......

Your race baiting, while you think you are clever, is a despicable thing.....

Really, how long did you spend in Anaconda?

You might have had a huckleberry milkshake, but that doesn't make you a Montanan.

Tell us there are no Irish in Anaconda and that houses are expensive there. Lay it out for us, we need your expertise on Montana.

p/s I really appreciate your new-found sensitivity to race-baiting on the 24 hr campfire,and I look forward to reading your comments in the future.

I think you would do better on one of Sticks threads........

Your too stupid to respond to.....

Central Mississippi is a good choice.

You're?

Definitely. Look at what $300K buys!

Wait now. Just hold on a minute.

This guy wants to move from New Jersey to Montana and then North Carolina pipes in and says he doesn't want him.


Lets get back on topic for fughks sakes!!!!

If you want to move to Montana, you have to get North Carolina's approval, dammit!!!

Speaking of On Topic.


I saw that video of Sam's yesterday. Advanced Screening you know.

One of the perks of Gold Club membership.....


Anyway....I decided to make a video too about Montana country Livin in the Winter time.

Minnesota is a good fit.

Hunter4623, reports of Montucky becoming a lib state are true but for you coming from NJ, it will certainly not seem like it. Central MT rocks, for everything, but don’t tell anyone...grin.

I made a vid for Sam but I can’t get the dang thing to post. Gonna have to resuscitate my YouTube channel I reckon.


Ben

All I know about winter in Montana is that Elmer Keith moved away because of the winters there.

In his book, "Hell, I Was There",..he talked about some cows that froze solid as a rock in his barn one bad winter.

I've been to Montana a few times in the summer,.....camped and hiked around Glacier National Park. Its got some outstanding scenery. (even if there's a lake there that still has icebergs in it on the fourth of July)

But be damned if I want to live someplace that'll freeze a fuggin' cow.

Iceberg Lake:

If I had your money, I would burn mine Bristoe.

,...first time I saw Montana I wanted to move there. But the people were so ornery to me that I figured it wasn't a good idea.

Lord help you if you go into a diner there and ask the waitress what "Jo-Jo's" are. She'll treat you like you just schitt in Granny's plate.

Jo-Jo's are fried potatoes, by the way. They call 'em Jo-Jo's on the menu so tourists will ask what they are. Then they bitch at ya for not knowing.

Hahaha!

I never knew what they were either. I was about 10 or 12 first time I went to a C store.

They sold Jo Jos.

They had fried chicken too. Had no idea you could buy that already made.

,...and at Polebridge Mercantile up in the wilds of Montana I had the audacity to ask the old blue haired woman who ran the place if their gas pumps worked. (They looked like they had been through a war,...beat all to hell and gone)

She acted like she was gonna whup my ass.

All the nice folk moved to Kentucky years ago.

Montana snow

Did she say something like "pay me next time ya see me Josey Wales"?

Then you and ole Lemule pulled the ferry rope?

,...and if you go to Glacier National Park,...don't stop by the Ranger Station and ask them where a secluded place to camp is.

He'll smile,..then send you to a campground where a bear et a tourist 3 days ago.

Everyone I have met here is very friendly. I have never had a problem.

lolol,...I'm serious, man. Those people who live on the fringes of Glacier National Park *hate* tourists.

They don't even want to be engaged in casual conversation by tourists.

I was a young kid roaming the country and seeing the sights,....leaving a *damn* small footprint,...just camping up in the middle of nowhere and hiking around,...and by the time I left I hated having to talk to anybody up there.

I couldn't be polite enough to keep them from jumpin' in my schitt.

Mighta been different if you'd been with Bristoe.

Clearing off the road for winter supplies and firewood delivery.

Going to get batteries and kerosene....

Well,...everybody in Kentucky isn't perfect. But generally speaking you can engage them in casual conversation without gettin' socked in the eye.

During my time in Montana I learned to stay out of arms reach of the locals.

Montana bush

Michigan people are rude. But they're rude to everybody,...each other,..the mailman,..the preacher,...everybody.

You kinda learn to just roll with it.

But in Montana people only give you stink eye if you ain't wearing a bear skin hat.

Must be rough having to use a road grader to make your own road every time you go to town.

On the other hand,..the way you treat that boy is going to make him grow up right and happy,..good job.

lol,...fun video.

Like your rig Boom...What is it? You do the stock coloring? I might be a smidge jealous of your stock improvement skills. 😎

Or a red union suit. somehow they know!

Ain't nobody talking to you,......piss off.

I would move to browning. It’s delightful

Good video Sam. We had the Carbon County Motor Grader staged at our place at Bridger most every winter. Made it handy for us.

Cool vid Mr Jim.

That'll get a fella excited for living remote.

Geno

Every state has everything you do not want.

That is the way MN is. Where I live and almost anywhere outside of the twin cities is great.

But then they go and elect a fughin liberal muslim khungt and you're embarrassed to live here...

We are in Montana several times most years and have always been treated very well. We have found that not asking everyone you meet where the joos and darkies are and leaving a tip is key.


mike r

Man, how the hell did that happen? Everybody else asleep at the wheel on election day except the muzzies?

She forgot her Congressional oath 2 seconds after it cleared her mouth.

That stupid ckhunt should have had her Chiclets slapped sideways for her hateful questioning of Abrams.

TFF.

I worked for many years as a Realtor in Wyoming, you would be amazed how many times that question got asked, or one very similar.

Montana people are friendly to those who are friendly to them. Yes, it gets cold during the winter and lots of snow. Get use to it! Put on the snowshoes, fire up the snow mobile and track wolves and coyotes. At the end of the day have another cup of coffee or a brew and set by the fire and enjoy.
Seems this thread has jumped the tracks. MTG

grumpy thang!

the old rule of thumb about Montana, "cold country, warm people"

people in MT have always treated me and my family right. We expect to do the same when we meet them here.

In June....

Yep. June 25!

Seriously - it's like the arctic here! And I'm in the banana belt!

The more I hear from the guys that actually live in Montana, the more I’m sold on it.

Thats my birthday!


And yes...I got snowed out of Yellostone on my birthday in the past.

hunter4623: this is an excellent example of the improvising you will need to perform, if you decide to move to Montana.

Aside, from losing good drinking buddies to a state where pink flamingos are considered family. You will need the skills to render sheet metal from the sides of your new boat to repair your roof should it spring a water leak. Can you do that?

Can you then cut a 10 ply BF Goodrich tire into sections, using sheet metal screws, attach the tire rubber to your boat where you harvested it’s sheet metal? All this done the night before the opener of fishing season... Bonus points for doing it drunk. Think you’re ready for Montana...😎

Hunter2623: Indeed mine and the VarmintWife's decision to move from the liberal, over-taxed, high stress, hell hole (where we were both born and raised and lived ALL our lives!) was the single BEST decision we have ever made in our lives!
We have been here 21 years now and bask in the friendly people, low stress, clean air and upbeat lifestyle that is so abundant here.
Sunny and 10 degrees here right now (at 3:00 P.M.) with 12 Mule Deer (including 4 small Bucks) in our back yard, 3 Whitetail Does in our front yard and 600 -800 Canada Geese and 400 - 500 Mallards in the field adjacent to our home!
I am absolutely certain deciding to move here 22 years ago and then DOING so, has added years to my previously fully stressed life!
I know my blood pressure that was "borderline" is now very healthful.
YOU only live once!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

The most important thing to do while living in Montana is to keep the driveway plowed so the UPS/Fedex truck can deliver provisions.....

Oh and keep enough booze in the pantry in case of blizzards...

We got a pretty good little snow yesterday!




Enough to make chores a PIA this morning. Off road pickup travel is getting pretty sketchy.




Get home and the driveway and sidewalk were clear. I need to buy the neighbors some beer.......

I’m not much of a drinker but i am a certified redneck engineer. I have a well rounded skill set in construction, electrical, plumbing, welding, concrete work. Built a few houses. Remodeled a few more. Log home construction is new to me (beyond researching it) and I’m looking forward to learning the ins and outs. I’ve done some sawmill work and that’s on the purchase list. A backyard range would be great. It’s one of the reasons I don’t want neighbors. I don’t want to bother anyone with my shooting. Up until a couple years ago I was shooting around 25,000 rounds a year. Luckily I wasn’t paying for the Ammo. Most of my shooting will be rimfire but I still don’t want to annoy anyone.

Montanans are intrigued by gun fire, not annoyed.

The Calif. neighbors will sure whine and complain though, I just tell them this is Montana it's what we do, don't like it leave.... haha
The funny part is when they call the police and they get laughed at....

Whoa Slow your roll! We got Pink Flamingo's in MT.

Did those flamingos ride the lift or fly in?
I don't think they are from around here... hahah

Big Mountain AKA Whitefish Residents.

Aaah, say no more......

Gruff is up that way, maybe we should let him know and he can go blast them......... boom hahaha

Iowa is really swell.

I haven't been in Montana long enough to really known much of anything about the life here (3 years, on and off), but I was also told that I should never tell anyone where I'm from (the Bay Area) and be prepared to get the cold shoulder from the locals for a very long time before they ever warm up.

Well, I generally don't volunteer information about where I'm from and other than the lady at the DMV, no one has ever asked where I'm from. And one of the reasons I love Montana is that I'm not much into chit chat or being part of any crowd. I enjoy being by myself and can goes weeks without talking to anyone, by choice. I'll be courteous and friendly when I'm in town, but I don't go there to make friends. I've talked to the guy who owns the land near mine a grand total of twice in three years, both times because he approached me. Nice enough guy, we exchanged contact info in case something happens at either property when only one of us is around, but that's the extent of it.

I'm not anti-social, but I suspect that a person who needs to be accepted and have a spirit of close community where he lives would not love this place as much as I do.

Average temperature for the month of February....


-4F

It's arctic hell Sam, not fit for human habitation......

It really isn't.


Barren, inhospitable isolation.

MCH, we all know these are considered Cuban Targets in Montana. You can’t trick us. 😁😎

Thanks!

$50/ft is a bit cheaper than I figured. I used $60 which is what it is in this neck of the woods.

A few years back I wanted to go to glacier for a little camping trip the last week of June. Flave told me, “ya can’t its closed til the 4th of July.”

I thought he was bullshittin me. He wasn’t. The fuggin place was closed due to snow til the 4th of July. I had to go to Yellowstone. Not a bad trade but funny.

Best time to go is when the road is still closed. July a few years ago.

When I bought this place I asked my neighbor across the road if he would mind if I put in a range; his response "not if you let me use it sometimes".

I fired off some fireworks one night and it made the local Facebook page. They were like who, what, where etc.... People in Montana seem kind of angry, possibly because of the cold or maybe it's because Travis left... Heard Wisconsin is better.

MtnBoomer: IF... you are seriously saying in your "angry people in Montana" posting that most or all or many people in Montana are like that then I will post, you are way, way, way off base!
I dealt with "angry people" professionally for 29 years in a large west coast first class city.
I have lived in Montana now for 21 years and have recreated here extensively for the previous 30 years to that - the people in Montana CAN NOT be described as "angry" in any way shape or form!
Sure a person living in Montana can become angry and that happens often but the mood and mental state of Montanans being described (by you!) as "angry" is a false contention.
I know what "angry people" look like, sound like, act like and how they manifest that anger - I have YET to come across an "angry" life style among any of the people I have interacted with in Montana these last 50+ years!
And I have interacted with many thousands of Montanans over that time.
You can't discourage "Montana immigration" with false narrative.
I and the VarmintChildren and VarmintGrandChildren have fired off fireworks (on and around the 4th of July!) for the last 21 years and our neighbors have never said a cross word to me - in fact on rare occasions when their children and grandchildren come by on or about the 4th they fire off fireworks (even in dry years!) themselves!
Long live Montana and Montanans.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

You are a dumbass that ought go back wherever you are from because you make Montana phucqking stupider and miss the obvious so many phucqking times around here it is totally phucqking pathetic.

Lower Alabama ( LA ) is where he needs to be.

Please take VG with.....

Whitefish is full of rich liberals (uber full on retard) and rich queers. Literally. I hate that phoucing town. But the upside to all the rich phoucs is the schools are pretty good for those that live out in the woods and send their kids in.

Jealous much?

People in WF like Mike Goguen are nothing short of modern day hero's of Montana you fu k..

I've never seen a group of people that donated so much private funding to the community. It's like tens of millions yearly they throw at those schools the hospital the parks, endless scholarships, hell this year they even had to carry the Montana Veterans Home over in CF.

What have you done for your community lately?

Nobody is complaining about the Uber rich folks that help the community a bunch, some of us just don’t like the liberal political climate of whitefish.

Agreed, to a point. But they are on track to follow the rest of the country into the socialist abyss. And like Storman Norm said, liberalitis has settled in and things are going to get worse.

Montana is great. I moved here in 2010 and love it. Hunting is great and the people are nice. You could find what you are looking for in Montana.

It is big enough that some parts of Montana are wildly different than other parts.

Check out the Helena area. You can be off grid close to there without falling off the planet.

In most places the best hunting starts by just being a half mile from the road/vehicle. 90% of the hunters don't leave the truck.

Good fishing is all over.

Huh? don' t think jealousy has a thing to do with it.... I would guess liberal arrogant azzholes have everything to do with it.......

Fireworks....
My neighbor fires his cannon occasionally. I fire my .41 mag into a large dirt pile on occasion. Other neighbors fire their firearms and so on. Have not heard anyone on our long road complain. Firearms are a way of life in MT. I get it, we get it. Liberals don’t get it. Some will never get it.
Thus far the person that started this thread has asked a civil question to gain information to make an informed decision. Some have offered thoughtful and mindful information to help. Others have offered nonsense. How about giving true sensible valid information to help.
We all have to find our paradise. I found mine in Montana. MTG

LMAO

Yeah, somebody's got a sandy vag and it ain't me. Two Bear Air is a great outfit, and that one guy does donate a lot of cheese, as do some others. But to paint them as the rule rather than the exception is beyond funny.




You definitely have to deprogram them when they get home, but the facilities and classes offered are better than anything I ever had in school.




Exactly. For them that aren't familiar with "love lives here" for example, or the militant gays that marched in town in face masks awhile back, or a hundred other examples I could give, liberal climate is more than a bit of an understatement. The town is a cesspool of awful. But it's pretty.

TFF!!!!

Great thread fellas.

All I can say is neither of you know much about the county in which you claim to reside in.

It's very obvious that it is all about your unknowing view of what you want to "think" something might be and since the communities wealth is the only fact mentioned here, Yeah it's about somebody having something you don't so you want to hate them. Something must be wrong, their doing better than you.

Have you ever paid any attention at all to how the districts in the county vote?
I know you haven't because it completely undermines your liberal accusations.

You'd be rather hard pressed to find anyone in WF that is wealthy and actively involved in the communities affairs that is a registered democrat. It's a matter of record, look it up, pay attention to what's going on around you especially if you are going to take to public forum and run off at the mouth.

I think you have a superficial misconception that has been conceived by a casual drive-by and taking notice of a ton of liberal Missoula college kids involved in the local service industry waiting tables and working the bars. Or you just want to hate anyone that is doing better than you in life.

Talk about arrogant hypocrites, "I hate all those people but I really like sending my kids to the schools they pay for"...FU!

If you give a schit about facts............

Here are the 10 most conservative places in Montana for 2019:
1.Sidney
2.Glendive
3.Lewistown
4.Miles City
5.Columbia Falls
6.Kalispell
7.Whitefish Population: 7,070 Percent Republican: 63.7%
8.Laurel
9.Billings
10.Great Falls

This data is compiled by measuring how each city in Montana with populations greater than 5,000 voted and contributed to political campaigns in the past several years. The cities with the highest percentage of voters who voted republican and gave the most to conservatives where named the most conservative cities in the state.

How is it that you make a spiraling liberal strong hold out of that? I mean #7 isn't the top of the list but its not a bad place to be.

If you’re curious, here are the least conservative cities in Montana:
1.Missoula
2.Bozeman
3.Belgrade

Well, interesting, a fellow from Alaske/Florida schooling us on Whitefish? damn pigs are flying..... hell he even thinks we have class envy of the rich Whitefish folk.... you cant make this chit up..
WTF is going on here lately?

JeffA,
One thing you don't understand about Whitefish and other places in the Flathead is the rich liberals live here part time and don't vote here.... get a clue

I am not disputing the data. However Data doesn't tell the whole story. Not a lot of people contribute to political campaigns. So that muddies the water for one. Last several years? Can you give us what those years actually were? I am not expert of Whitefish but I would say it is slightly right at best as is Kalispell.

Kinda like the guys from NC and CO telling me MT isn’t the place for me.

As if it was anyones business, I was a Flathead resident for 35 years, I've been heavily invested in the WF community for 30 years. I spend my summers in Alaska, winters in Florida but I was ice fishing Whitefish Lake last weekend...lol too [bleep] cold but the Lakers were hitting through the ice. I'm back and forth to the Flathead at a minimum of once a month keeping tabs on my stuff...

2013 to 2017

Your hero Mike Goguen has a few skeletons in his closet.....
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/michael-goguen-sequoia-sex-abuse-case-silicon-valley

Are you talking about me? LOL....

My contractor buddies will no longer work in Whitefish due to all the regulations, permits , red tape etc....
Liberals do that, not conservatives

I didn't go to your link but I am well aware of what it'll be.

He's a [bleep] hoot!

You read up real good on that and then tell me what you think.....

The class envy opening play is interesting and says more about you than us....

Never heard of the guy until you brought him up, so used my limited google fu. the source is dubious at best...... is he your buddy?

Liberals and people that invest in million dollar homes regulating what gets built next door...

I don't know, are you a rich liberal part time resident?

I know him but he don't invite me for Christmas dinner or anything.
But I'm serious, read what that bit ch tried to do to him and tell me what you think.

I like rich conservatives, liberals, rich or otherwise not so much....

Must say rich liberals are the devil in my book

Uuum thought I already established I didn't believe the source and that would include the allegations in general....

Ok JeffA, I gave you clues to what I believe, your turn, quit playing coy..... fess up.... rich liberal, rich liberal wanna be, rich conservative, rich conservative wanna be, average joe?

Well, I don't think I qualify as a part timer anymore. A few days a month don't cut it.
I was a full timer for 35 years.
And from what you guys are saying about WF, even though I vote Republican I must be a fa g liberal.

I think the list is not totally accurate. I don't think it is far off. However there are flaws in it for sure. The biggest is the contributions. The problem with White Fish and Kalispell is the same as Bozeman and to a degree Missoula. It offers a lot of what liberals like, outdoor recreation, City life, and other peoples money to fund their interest. Non-voting part-time residents are still a problem. However as working remote becomes more and more the norm it will bring even more into these communities. It will continue to drive up prices and deteriorate the communities.

I don't think anything bad about you. I could careless about your social class, whatever it maybe. Clearly you are doing more than ok.

Sounds logical, Thats about how I felt when I read it, close enough.
I doubt many summer only or winter only residents do much for political contributions under their summer home address.
I know I mostly meet conservative types in my business ventures there but that don't mean anything either.
I see a few obvious gay types working the bars and restaurants when I go out but no more than anywhere else I go including Alaska. Jim Nabors was the only rich gay dude I knew lived in WF but he died a couple years ago so he don't count anymore.

You remind me of the Calif. guys, someone criticizes their state/town and they take it all personal and get all defensive..... you came out swinging and making assumptions......
We bit touchy huh?
How does someone spend a few days a month in Whitefish when they are from Alaska/Florida? do you own an airplane?

Do you have family or friends you stay with while in Whitefish?

JeffA,
Your numbers for registered repubs. doesn't matter as much as how many of them actually vote and who they vote for.

How about you check out the city council. How many conservative/constitutionally minded would you find there?
All libs. but maybe one.

Check out the mayor, Johnny Mulfeld, he's as progressive as they come.

And while you're at it, ask the Flathead County commissioners what their opinion is of the Whitefish city council.
You'd get a better picture of reality than studying the voting roles.

JeffA if you need a mechanic for your G650 sitting at the FBO give me a call. LMFAO some people are just phu_cking clueless!

Yup can't fly to Montana on commercial from Alaska or Florida.

No plane but Alaska Air has a direct flight from Tampa to Seattle which shortens the trip considerably. It's just over 4 hours and then the 45min commuter over to Kalispell. It's great on the flight there, the two hour time dif makes it just over a 3 hour trip sorta....I have a few air miles accumulated and often use them.....Last weeks flight cost me like 30K miles and 12 dollars.

I have some rentals scattered in the Flathead. If one is open, which is seldom to never anymore I'll use it.
Other than that I sorta whore around, no family but huge numbers of friends with open doors and extra cars and trucks.
Last weekend I stayed at WFL lodge. I was just there for three days and didn't want to intrude on anyone for that short of a stay. I wanted to fish and I had business to tend to in WF so it made sense.

It's not a number of registered voters. Go back and re-read, it's voters that voted republican.

It's a quiz, I think he's tryin' to trip me up.
It ain't gonna work, I'm as real as real gets.....
I even posted a pic of myself on the bottom of page 6 in this thread.

BTW, Thats a pretty fishy AK sig line you have there....

Don't bring that up. I have a place there. I might get accused of having my own plane. Oh chit I do, a 150B. I must be loaded!

LOL, you and I both know that owning a plane in AK is the equivalent of owning a Chevy Suburban any where else.

Kick the kids toys and empty oil bottles outta the way and climb in the back seat.

But how it could be conceived by some, you won't just be rich, you'll be a fa g liberal to go with it.

Well you know I live just south of Missoula so I must be!

Yeah, that IBC is a real beotch. All that engineering and associated requirements, what a waste of time.

I’m not sure which part of my post triggered you to get such an emotional response, complete with the personal insults even lol. How anyone could with a straight face contend that Whitefish is not full of rich liberals and queers is, well, laughable. I am in that town almost every day.

Tell me about love lives here. For example.

Its a balmy 25 below still air temp on the friendly Hi Line.

it must be the warm weather that makes the people in the Flathead so darn grumpy!

Jim's as nice as can be, over on the cold part of the state.

JeffA,
Not a ploy to try and trip you up, just curious is all. Those were honest questions , just trying to understand how you came to your conclusions? You are the only person I have ever encountered that believes Whitefish is a Republican town.

Also I like to get a feel of who I am talking too before forming an argument .......

Sounds like you have done well for yourself and at a relatively young age, congratulations... and I mean that.

Your wealthy philanthropist pal is likely a terrific guy and a huge asset to the community... I had honestly never heard of him before... but I do live in a bit of an isolated bubble... by choice

I don't automatically assume a rich person is liberal . I also know a very wealthy person, he is conservative and a christian and a fine family man.... he also helps his community and even started a foundation for addicted and troubled teens..... And I do get an invite at Christmas....:)

I think we started off on the wrong foot. The contention that I hate Whitefish people because they are wealthy is simply 180 deg. wrong. I am a capitalist and believe we can and should make as much money as we possibly legally can..... hard work and smarts should be rewarded. And nobody should apologize for success......

The envy play is a tool of the left to recruit useful idiots.... doing so empowers the leaders and helps them in their quest to destroy America and capitalism....
So yes accusing me of that tends to get me a little fired up......

If you ever see a white and grey Hewescraft on Whitefish or Flathead lake stop and ask for Brian, if it is me we can visit and maybe become friends?

On and MCH see how civil these threads are without Stick.....

Good weather for snow farmin.......

Nobody cares what you think or think you think...... just stay out of Anaconda........ booo ...... them Irish be scary

Had to take a peek at what MCH had to say..... and he did not disappoint....... fuugin tool.......
Good try MCH, but you aint Stick..... you get a participation trophy regardless..... congratulations...... hahahaha
Oh and how about a few more selfies? hahahah

So you looked over every registered republicans' shoulder while they voted and confirmed they voted for the republican candidate?
The only time you'd get a rough idea of party voting is during the primaries, after that its a crap shot.
The dems are known to cross party lines and request republican ballots during the primaries specifically to "vote" for the candidate they think they could beat in the general election.

Geezus, you had bring them up didn't ya!?
Direct line the the SPLC.

Just wanted to provide an update from sunny Colorado, it is currently a pleasant 72 degrees.
Also got some good news from the state legislature, to encourage people to relocate to the great state of Colorado they will be suspending all income tax for refugee's... um I mean retiree's from the following states: California, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, New York so if you are a resident of one of these states you can take advantage of huge tax savings.
As a bonus for the first 100k transplants we will offer free marijuana for 1 year..... this is a limited offer so act quickly.....
Democrat registration cards will be provided free upon arrival..

This has been a public service announcement from the Colorado Chamber of Commerce...

It warmed up to 22 below so I went and started my tractor.

Propane pre-heat......

In Montana when the tractor dies you die..........

Avoid at all cost...... I hear Colorado is nice......

Pretty country irfubar.
Jim is that the normal winter temp this time of year up there?

I have my five year old out shoveling snow - It's that bad here!

Northern Arizona is really awesome. You can drive to Wyoming and hunt everything.

Thanks Hunter,

You will be allowed to enter Montana..... the other jersey people will have to go to Colorado....

I need to barrow your five year old. I am tired of shoveling. It has snowed every single day so far in February here.

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Thanks Hunter,

You will be allowed to enter Montana..... the other jersey people will have to go to Colorado....[/quote]


To be fair, I’m from South Jersey. Down here, we don’t like North Jersey. They give the rest of the state a bad name. North Jersey was infiltrated by Southern NYers. If we split the state in half at Trenton, South Jersey wouldn’t be as bad....but still not great.

Interesting, Jersey people even hate each other... makes sense......

I thought I liked everybody in Montana until MCH came along..... don't think he is from around here though?

That is ok I don't like you either.

Hell, Trump won the vote in my county. Like everywhere else, politics in NJ are controlled by the big cities.

Hunter we run on misconceptions around here... facts do not matter....

Facts aren’t fun. Speculation, half truths and grandstanding rule

You are catching on nicely.....

I’ve been here lurking for a long time. I just don’t post much. I just read and laugh.

That is the highest and best use for this place.....

At least it's not cold

-6 this morning, now up to +25 on the west side, thinking about planting the garden.

Norm, it's a dry cold over on the east side.... at least that's what they tell themselves

Haha! My sister called to wish me a happy belated birthday this noon.


She reported that it was near 40 degrees in Missoula.


Kinda wish she hadn't called.....

Just kidding of course.......maybe.

No, not really. It gets colder.

I just about froze my finger off taking a snowmobile selfie just now.


Thankfully my death trap sled has heated grips and a thumb warmer.

Your a brave man Jim, I am sitting on my couch (of course) next to the fire, fixin to mix a bourbon.......

That would have probably killed a lesser man!

Livin on the hi-line is not for the weak.....

Fubes, as my dear mother once told me years ago, if you're gonna be stupid you'd better be tough....



Jim, happy belated birth day cuzzin'!


Did the ol' green machine decide to pop off?



We started out at a calm and clear -23F this morning at daylight. Sent a load of heifers and two loads of steers up the road to Glasgow for tomorrows sale. Only supposed to be -5F tonight so they shouldn't shrink up too bad. All went well which is nice, no tractor, water or semi truck issues. Calves loaded right up nice and easy.



The helmet selfie would have been better without the helmet......

To be fair, I’m from South Jersey. Down here, we don’t like North Jersey. They give the rest of the state a bad name. North Jersey was infiltrated by Southern NYers. If we split the state in half at Trenton, South Jersey wouldn’t be as bad....but still not great.[/quote]



hunter4623,

you anywhere near Pine Hill? I had an Uncle/Cousins that lived in that area back in the 70's. Nice area.

irfubar. Yes, parts of Jersey are like parts of Cali. OK to live in but we're outnumbered by numbnutz.

Geno

Geno my friend I sympathize with you guys behind enemy lines, some day we may need you to flank them for us....MAGA

Jim, that helmet looks like it slides right on Happy birthday


mike r

It's big Jim's b-day? well happy b-day, I think I will have a drink in celebration.......

hunter4623,

you anywhere near Pine Hill? I had an Uncle/Cousins that lived in that area back in the 70's. Nice area.

irfubar. Yes, parts of Jersey are like parts of Cali. OK to live in but we're outnumbered by numbnutz.

Geno[/quote]
Pine Hill is about 20minutes from me. Absolute chithole now

Pennsville NJ is a nice place to shoot. Home of one of the all time greats in Sporting Clays.

Nobody cares about sporting clays or New Joosey, this thread is about Montany... try and keep up.. good grief......

M&M? Pennsville is 20 mins south of me. I drive past it on my way to hunt. Pennsville has high taxes and a proactive Police Dept so it keeps the riff raff out.

If Whitefish is "Republican," I'm a Menshevik.
The city council is volunteer, plus they have "nonpartisan" elections in off-years. So, the only people elected are axe-grinders. Besides, you wouldn't believe some of the local activist morons (all transplants, amenity migrants). And Goguen, with his billions, has been a fine self-dealer. I appreciate his support of the Two Bear Air SAR service, that has cost him millions.
On the other hand, what I don't like about Two Bear is, they rescue morons from the backcountry. I mean real morons. Used to be, if you were someplace really "wild" and you got stupid, there were consequences -- you'd be lucky if they found your carcass after melt-off. Now? Just grab your I Phone and dial 911. Two Bear to the Rescue, along with the posse....
But he's gotten millions back, for example in a ridiculous sweetheart deal that found him buying a whole section of state lands for way below market, while at the same time he was briefly the sole source of support for the "Whitefish Trail" and "Whiltefish Legacy" -- which has been a total rip-off of value away from the school trusts in terms of some state land west of town. I've documented a lot of it, cost me lots of money in FOIA fees, but amazingly corrupt.

And now you have the rest of the story....... hmmmm

all politicians are cut from the same cloth.

This brings into question JeffA 's earlier post..... hmmmmm

irfubar,

You have been on fire lately! - laffin


Alot!

I know... cabin fever knows no bounds..... I am going to get voted off the island any day now.... hahahaha

Yes sir M&M is one of my favorite courses. Anthony knows a thing or two. Mike knows his way around all things shotgun as well. Those boys can fish too.

WTF now you are name dropping? ooh look at me look at me...... you and Stick are bro's huh
Time for some selfies.....
Shouldn't you be turning a wrench somewhere? maybe Haiti, Somalia......

Yeah I am name dropping. Good god you really are ph_uking stupid.

I already told you we can meet up. Put up or shut up. I am close enough lets do it!

Years ago was helping my wife with a xc running team heading over to Cutbank for a race. After we cleared Browning and headed out into the big wide open one of the freshmen who hadn't ever been to the east side asked why all the trees were growing at an angle. I told him "You'll find out when you get off the bus".

I know JK and FR! Just kidding and for realz! No shuffle girls tonight. I am on restriction.

Oooh I think I hit a nerve..... MCH is gonna kick my azzz....... hahahahaha

Filipina's don't like Butterflies. I have a good buddy that almost lost is jewels in Olongapo.

No nerve you got a big ph_ucking mouth behind a keyboard. I'll look you up next time I go up to visit my buddy in Kalispell, or you can come on down here to Florence.

Internet tough guys are always a hoot...... they have a long and distinguished history here...... and it always ends the same... hahahaha

Do you know bricktop and that famous troll from Pinedale......... hahaha

It was the biggest helmet they make MikeR! 5XL.


Sam, yeah, she finally went. Had to hook up the jumper cables though. Brand new cables too.....and the insulation cracked to a million pieces when I stretched them out.

Should have kept them in the cab.



Glad your calves loaded up good. Talk about stressing a fellow out.



Hope they sell well.

We have a load of steers we are gonna sell too. Be interested to find out how yours do.

Our friends up the road just started calving, nothing like trying to keep a newborn alive at zero. They only have 40-50 head, so they have to work a day job too. I'd be cranky after a few days of no sleep.

A post by montanacreek hunter


Why do you care if he attacks sponsors? Are you a sponsor? As far as I am concerned on the sponsor issue that is between him, the sponsors, and Rick.

If he attacks other peoples families then what I said here applies to him as well.

What you are doing isn't standing up to him.

I never seen grown men act like such children. All I can say is instigating him isn't making anything better. Matter of fact it just makes it worst. It cost you nothing to ignore him.

Anyways only you can decide how you act and how you treat people.

Put yourself in the Glasshouse, do you want me or anyone else attacking your family or personal life?

All I know is Stick has never attacked me. He has always been more than willing to answer my questions. There are other members on here I DO NOT LIKE, I don't respond to any of their post. For me it is that easy. [/quote]






Uummm, I really like the part where you say if you don't like a member , don't respond, it is that easy for you! hahaha

Somebody not being honest.... hahahah
You and Stick be besties .... hahahah
Serious question MCH , show an example of me attacking anyone's family ..... a hint , you cant....... go ahead and try.....
Integrity is not an easy thing is it? show some.... or come here and try and kick my azzz......
Got a hint for you, a big drunk logger in Coos Bay threatened the same thing..... i looked him in the eye and told him I will shoot you between the eyes if you try that..... this is 2019 not 1975 you neanderthal....
Oh and how is that portfolio of yours?

Yes you won't show up. Look it is really simple we can meet up and you can tell me what you have to say to me face to face. Or you can continue on about your business. Your buddies won't laugh at you for backing down don't worry.

So? Whatca reckon?


This cat gonna move out west?

This is FUBAR.

Ooh ya we can have a duel.....

Show some integrity..... pretty simple.....
You chose to compromise yours for the whole world to see....
As I told Sheister bob, you lay down with dogs , expect to get fleas.....
You took up with Stick and now the fleas itch..... duh
I quoted your own words.... yet you are the one threatening violence, pathetic......
I will let you continue to destroy your integrity in front of everyone... congratulations..... and you call me the fool.... you cant make this chit up.

more of Sticks path of destruction........

You can't read very well can you? I said and I repeat for the special ed kids, " Look it is really simple we can meet up and you can tell me what you have to say to me face to face.".

Hell yea Jim.....just not in the Ice Belt where you live. I’m not tough enough for that

Now unless you care to man up I am done with your foolishness.

Thanks Jim, a little levity is a good thing.....

He may be thinkin twice about it at this point....

If you want to check out the Bitterroot area let me know.

Go west of Kalispell out by Marion, you might end up bring one of these guys neighbor.

You can run but you cant hide, from yourself........
A lack of integrity will consume you and make you bitter and prone to violence.....

Thats probably why us guys out East here look so sternly on people who say they want to move to Montana.


On the East side, you have to be about half weird to live here. Its cold, its remote, its poor, its hot, its dry, its under feet of snow, and the ice cream shops close for the winter.

So you have to be about half weird to live here....but you would have to be double weird to move here!


The West side is better, I think.


Good luck.

"the ice cream shops close for the winter."

That was all you had to say to me to keep me from moving there.

West side has crazy violent people......

I hear Colorado is nice... free love and all.... or was that Whitefish? hmmmmm

I dont know about Colorado.


Mississippi is where I am going when I finish going broke.

Billings is cool and rhymes is killings....

The south side can be "sporty"

All kidding aside, I don't think a lot of people from the eastern states really understand the cultural difference that they'll encounter in the western states.

There's a line somewhere a little west of Kansas City where the country abruptly becomes different.

I worked there once for a few weeks, got the butt sweats.

You're going to have to adapt to the humidity. Kentucky can get pretty hot and humid in the summer,....but it's nothing like down south.

And whiter....

Bristoe,
That is very interesting.... I have never been East, how are the people, culture different?

Jim Conrad: When was the last time you sat (crawled along!) in your vehicle for 2 (two!) hours trying to go 20 miles - ON A FREEWAY there "over east"?
Last time I did it was a few months ago when I went back to the place (big city in a liberal state that refuses to use gas tax monies to improve driving conditions/roads!) I was born and raised and lived the first 49 years of my life!
I would trade (and did!) that incredibly high stress living for "cold" Montana any day!
By the way once I got to my destination (dinner with relatives!) I had to turn around and drive the 20 miles on I-5 back to where I was staying - that 20 miles only took me 55 minutes (near midnight on a weekend!)!
Count your cool air blessings!
I know I do every day.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Well,...there's a lot of differences in the people in the east. But easterners roam around the east enough to know what to expect. For example, 70 miles north of here is Cincinnati. You're in yankeeland once you go that far north. East is Appalachia, south is the good old, genteel south. Everybody in the east pretty much knows what to expect of those areas. Of course, the big cities are the big cities pretty much everywhere.

The Pacific coast just "odd".

But those big states out west seem to have people who went there for a specific reason,..or they're the descendants of those who did. They just seem to have a different way of looking at the world than any of the factions back east. And I'm sure there's a lot of differences between the people who live out there. But collectively, they have a different mentality than any of the factions that are encountered in the east.

Thanks Bristoe always enjoy your perspective.....

You should go to Alaska, talk about people movin somewhere for a reason..... usually to avoid the law..... hahaha

That is actually a really big myth. And I'll add to include globally. There are different mindsets no doubt. But those mindsets exist everywhere. They are not unique to a geographical location. Humans like to aline and alienate themselves were they see fit. A liberal is a liberal no mater where they are located and a Conserative is a conservative no mater where they are located. A RHINO is a RHINO period. People that share the same values are the same no matter where in the world they are from. I have been to 36 countries and all 50 states. I have spent a lot of time in more than a few states. We just like to label and blame things on where one is from.

That's not been my experience.

The first time I roamed out west I really didn't expect to encounter such a cultural difference. I learned it on the fly.

And,...as I mentioned, there's cultural differences to be found among the people in the east, also. But being familiar with those differences, as most easterners are, won't prepare you for the entirely different mentality that you'll encounter in the big country states out west. I think it probably has a lot to do with the seclusion and wide open spaces they grow up in out there,...the distances between here and the next place.

A lot of them, maybe most, are friendly enough. But they kind of keep themselves to themselves more than people back east. It's hard to define,..but you'll feel it after being around them a bit.

I have never felt that way anywhere I have been. Sure there are cultural differences. Nothing that makes me feel alienated or can't relate to or understand after seeing it. I have seen weird chit everywhere, and I have seen normal chit everywhere. I have seen good attitudes and chit attitudes all over the world. One think I know for sure is that on a global level Poor people are usually the happiest and most thankful for the things that really matter in life.

Maybe you just haven't paid close enough attention. I can direct you to some places in the east that will make you feel alienated and that you can't relate to.

The people who live there make it a point to have it that way.

,...and for the record, I found people in western Montana that I couldn't relate to,...because they didn't want me to relate to them. They wanted me to get the fug out and go home.

They weren't subtle about it.

One thing about Montana that is different than other places I have lived is an extreme sense of privacy...... it is also a strong live and let live kinda place....
People are friendly and can be helpful but they don't go out of their way to be "social".
It can also be very clannish, hell if you aren't third generation you are an outsider....
Also we take our wildlife and game laws very serious, it is part of the lifestyle.... we also take pride in our respect for the land and you will find less trash/vandalism etc... than I have seen other places.

Thats too bad Bristoe.

They would probably feel the same about me.

We used to hate folks from Kalispell. Now with all the fancy license plates you cant tell who is from Kalispell.

We just got over it I guess.

It was either that or we were going to have to hate everyone with RMEF plates.

Universally known to be a cover for the No. 7 licence plate.

Haha,
We have a saying ... why do they call it tourist season if we cant shoot them.....

What happens Bristoe is every summer we are flooded with ten times as many tourist as residents, our normally quiet places become hectic, we actually have traffic and many locals don't like it and have a hard time dealing with it....

I have lived in some pretty different places than what I grew up in. For example Breaux Bridge LA, Andalusia AL, Richmond KY, Juneau AK, Hawaii, Montana. All very different but besides little things the people are the same as their peers from other places. I find cultural differences very interesting.

That is the truth... I made a joke earlier about people from Jersey hating each other.... When I lived in Billings the rest of the state hated us "city" people and they knew because of our plates...
Jim speaks the truth...