This is a great day!

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...opinion-in-native-american-hunting-case/

Thank God for Justice Gorsuch!

Maybe I’m wrong on this, but from the 3 articles I read today it sounded like this man was killing bulls, and mule deer, but not taking much more than heads and backstraps out. One of the 4 bulls killed that day they didn’t even take head or any meat out. They were not subsistence hunting at all, it was killing big bulls/bucks and bragging online.

I fully support rights of tribes to subsistence Hunt and fish if they chose to. So don’t take me as anti Native American rights

He actually got caught in this because he called a game warden to discuss poaching on the crow reservation, and asked ?’s about how would they catch the poachers using the crime lab. Other warden got suspicious and caught him( and 3 others working together to poach) by looking at all their posts bragging on monster Muleys website and others and finding the kill sites inside the bighorn forest.

Then said he didn’t know he was in Wyoming, but had been the crow reservation game warden for a number of years( unlikely he didn’t know where he was)

I respect the tribal rights to hunt and fish, but not to poach and trophy hunt/abuse that treaty agreement.

Had this been anyone else doing this( poaching and wasting animals) it would be crazy the backlash, but he got away with it for sure.

If you get to be a judge is it required to leave all your common sense whenever you review a case. You could rule in favor of the old treaty and still acknowledge the fact this guy was just a poacher. Ed k

Great day for what? You're obviously clueless at to the pressidant this sets.

a license for the ebt drunken doper poachers to continue,

Quick Karl:

Thank God for Justice Gorsuch and Texas. [/quote]

Amen, Karl.

Just another entitled minority taking advantage of a sick system

If you are going to post edited quotes to get yourself off, at least have the sense to learn how to do it without making an ass hole out of yourself - but I digress...

Fact is, the Crow hunter did NOT violate a Treaty, and the SCOTUS agrees with him.

My take is that as a Crow, within the bounds of the treaty, he can kill any animal he wants, for whatever reason he wants.

The rest is just racist hogwash.

You're just pissed because the Crow hunter has a right that you do NOT. If it were up to me, every State's hunting laws / licensing etc., would be the sole jurisdiction of the Native Americans of each State. Give you guys a taste of your own medicine for a while...

Pretty soon, handjob will be here posting a photo of an artillery piece being towed by a pick-up truck, which is supposed to make up for what he lacks in his pants, and between his huge ears..

Crow hunter your a$$! This decision will cover all states. So sportsmen foot the bill for the state to manage the wildlife, the knee-gars of the north can ignore state laws and hunt wherever they want whenever they want. Time to put the indian casinos out of business. Fook em and the whores that bore them.

He needs to go after wolves and sea lions

Talk about proving my point...

The whole reservation BS needs to go away or we need to finish off the Indians and make all the reservations National Forests. They’re either US citizens or they’re not and shouldn’t have any rights to leave the reservation without a passport from the the Indian “nation” and a visa issued by the USA. This separate but more equal is ridiculous !

https://www.amazon.com/Plenty-Coups...558382251&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spell

One of the Top 5 books I have ever read. Plenty Coups puts everyone on this forum, to shame.

EVERYONE knows how well Indians practice conservation...

I love the SCOTUS decision and I am glad that Gorsuch supported it - I hope it goes nationwide, especially in Texass. Nothing would please me more than to hear that the Comanche could hunt anywhere they want in Texas, any time they want, for whatever they want.

After all - the Comanche never broke one single treaty they ever made with the Texicans, but the opposite cannot be said for the Texicans.

Truly a great day in America.

If it were up to people like you, America would have been hunted-out clean, a hundred years ago. Native Americans should have the Right to hunt anywhere they want, any time they want, for any game they want.

the wildlife and game laws in this country are quite baffling.

once we got past the King owning all the wildlife things went downhill.

now we're dealing with peace meal regulation and every commoner has an opinion.

oh wait, the king still owns the wild life. but i have to buy a license and maybe stamp to represent him.

Funny how that worked out didn't it slow Karl? Thanks to sportsman's dollars game is thriving all over the US slow Karl. If Non indians didn't hunt their reservations there would be zero game.



We know how well the Indians do with Welfare Funds on the Rez, don't we? Is Clydesdale your husband or vice versa?

And white men should be able to hunt Indians like you at will also. 👌🏻

Fred , Slow Karl is as much an indian as Obama was a leader.

Just leave a handle of black velvet at the trailhead/parking lot. Indian problem solved, or at least preoccupied.

Or a few camo black 40s

So they can now willfully give up their ebt cards and free med care, .gov takes enough from us on the frontend and gives to them as is, we also have the stupid white casino people paying them from the backend, why must they receive all the cherries and ice cream and also have a license to slaughter year round?

i know the discussion is about the indians here. and no need to slow that discussion down.

but, the state legislatures are the ones who mostly are to blame or give credit for the million and one game laws.

the us fish & wildlife service has very little to do with it actually.

i agree the natives have exploited the casino laws, and they ain't finished with that cash cow yet.

Because their ancestors hadn't figured out the wheel when the evil white folks arrived. Weird how one civilization went through the bronze and iron age, hell even the reformation, and another was still dragging poles.......

Yep, give, give, give take, take, take lyndon johnson, that has NEVER helped ANY race of people.

That doesn't mean a whole lot since you're on record as having Gay Buttboys 1-4 as your top four picks.

Yep, they would have still been flinging sticks at dinner had we not arrived, very NON industrious inventive people, same with africans.

please, i beg of you, don't get me started on that criminal as he lays there mouldering in his grave.

he bought the black vote for a 100 years, secure in the hands of the democraps.

the rest of us can work, and pay taxes right off the top.

please don't get me started. it might not end well.

Be careful, don't hurt yourself Gus.

Comanches would tie a horse down and cut strips out of it to cook while it was still alive.

Kindly expound upon the treaties that the Comanches never broke that Texicans did.

Just a quick question, does this mean that Elizabeth Warren should be allowed to hunt Bald eagles in Yellowstone park ?

Right! So that give the White man the justification for taking their land and killing them all...

I thought this was about killing crows!

Stupid Moron question - anyone that wants could read a few books and find it for themselves instead of challenging someone to give a history lesson on an internet forum - as if you would even bother to read anything quoted, for yourself. All you have to do is Google it...

Wait, I forgot, Google is run by liberals so anything Google that doesn't support your preconceived bias can't possibly have a shred of legitimacy to it, unless it supports a belief you cling to...

PS. Comanche would also tie a captured enemy to a spit and slow roast them until they popped, and laugh their fricken asses off about it. That was part of their culture - and the Comanche only ate horses when they absolutely had to - a horse was far to valuable to them to eat. They preferred BBQ'd buffalo.

Conquest is the story of human history. Get over it. Injuns killed each other over land. Dont be sore just because the Redman lost.

Remember that when Liberals are standing in your doorway evicting you from your mobile home, because there are more of them than you...

Don't be sore, just grab your undies and move, and shut up. Karma is a MF-er...

my great uncle, a ww1 veteran left ne georgia to go to detroit to help build that once great city.

he left georgia because he was sick and tired of eating crows.

said they were bony, tough, and stringy.

but a bit above starving.

speaking of books, My Ishmael by Daniel Quinn is a good one.

talks about how the human condition over the last 10,000 years has "conquered' the globe.

basically, technology wins every single time. the better the technology, the faster the victory.

I ain’t ever ate no damn crow, other than when I’ve let my mouth overload my ass!

Weird, I'm sitting in my 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath, finished basement brick house. Must be because I work for a living and dont suck the very govt teat that kicked the injuns asses in yesteryear.

I'll PayPal you a buck if you want a malted liquor on me.....

I dont blame the rez injun for being so worthless. The last thing they worked for didn't go so well.....its understandable why their motivation is waning.

I've read a lot of books Karl, it's obvious you ain't.

While we're on the topic, how much time have you actually spent around actual reservations?

Quite a lot, actually. Look up Sam Houston's Houston quotes to the Comanche on creating a boundary between the Comanche and White settlers - he said hat even if they built a wall between the lands, the settlers would climb over it to take more Comanche land...

The only reason there are no Comanche lands in Texas is because there were more White folks than Comanche - that would be the same as if the Chinese showed up one day with a billion soldiers and told you to scram.

Spent lots of time working on the Fort Apache reservation in White River, AZ - had a standing personal invite to hunt Elk with a tribe member that befriended me, there. Also worked for the Salt River Reservation in AZ for a bit...

No matter anyone's "version" of history or any contrived justification for it - Native Americans were exterminated to take their land.

Indians are basically lazy, they did just enough to get by. Very few built anything much at all. That has changed little. Government assistance enables them to do very little now!

Why not? They made the greatest state in all the land with that property. Wtf did the comanche ever do with it besides kill each other? Hint......nothing.

And another hint, it had more to do with brain power than man power........sticks vs bullets.....gee golly.....

interesting stuff here on a crow hunting thread.

if the red chi-coms landed on mexican shores by the millions,

and swarmed north, would ft hood, ft. bliss and others hold them off?

it'd be a combination of technology and numbers of humans in context.

i can't hardly imagine a bunch of mandarin speaking chinese rushing ashore.

surely our advanced technology could assuage them to remain off-shore and not land.

humans on the face of the urth over the last 10,000 years or so have made significant gains.

No matter anyone's "version" of history or any contrived justification for it - Native Americans were exterminated by human-slave-owning "Americans", to take their land.

But the indians don't. Good.

They ate their dogs too.

ok. but was that a "bad" thing in the context of the culture, the technology and the human condition at the time it occurred?

if it wasn't bad, then why so?

if it was bad, then why so?

humans have got to eat.

That is correct, the savages got their asses kicked. They put up a decent and commendable fight, but ultimately their braun was no match for brains. And dont think for one second that opposing tribes didn't enslave each other, because they did.

Again the injuns fought each other long before white man arrived. It wasnt all sunshine and ice cream like you libs make it sound.

Another dumb ass that labels anyone that speaks anything he can't handle, a liberal.

Precisely what liberal are saying about you, today.

Only reason you was befriended was 'cause you had the booze & meth.

Oh I've handled you plenty well enough, 'nate

Lets be clear - I loathe what liberals are doing and have done to this country, but I do not blame them for it, just as I do not blame a snake for being a snake.

I blame people just like the people in this forum, because it IS people just like y'all, that have and are enabling it - with your innate racism, and sense of royal entitlement - not to mention the infinite stupidity of folks like Jackson jag-off.

The Lakotas were all about killing Crows.

Maybe you should do a little readin Karl. How bout you start with understanding what the ruling allows because clearly you don't.

Says the guy applauding the granting of entitlement to a group of people living off the actions of 200 years ago. Interesting.

what are the liberals wanting to do to save us all, pray tell?

hopefully it won't involve the current tax rates, and certainly not higher rates.

the whole thingy of working and paying taxes galls me.

i don't think the gov't composite is giving the workers a fair shake.

but what this has to do with crow hunting is beyond my ability to understand.

What we have here ladies and gentlemen is a sock puppet troll who could care less about hunting or Indian rights his thing is being a liberal idiot messing with the people here at the fire

Take your land and turn it into what THEY want.

I was truly happy to read the SCOTUS ruling - I hope it goes nationwide.

But the real motivation behind my post was to illustrate the racism so prevalent among y'all.

In a few more years you'll know exactly how the red man feels. After the Mexican invasion is complete and they're running the Country that is.

i guess my positional argument is related to over-reaching gov't control on nearly every front.

not on topic, but i've thought that freedom was beginning to get squeezed out the system.

taxes for rain water, no capture of rain water due to gov't edict.

etc. etc. you name it. no one wants to pollute the streams.

i don't think the natives supported polluted streams either.

the King aka as his henchmen charging me a hunting license.

and pricing it so that it will sell, but so high that many can't pay.

maybe the poor amongst us don't need to hunt. they can draw welfare.

i think i'll go down to the local hamburger joint and buy a veggie burger.

Depends on how you define success.

You prob'ly ain't familiar with the physical prodigies routinely accomplished by the men and boys during times of war, which was pretty much all the time. The anecdote about Jack Hays, later Texas Ranger, going out to hunt on foot with a party of Delawares is probably partly true. While out on the Plains one of their party was slain by a passing War Party of Comanches, on horses, whereupon the remaining Delawares took up the trail and ran for two days straight until they caught up to the Comanche camp, wreaking their revenge. The part that would be true would be the Delawares, whether Jack Hays could accomplish such a feat without being born into the lifestyle is uncertain.

Likewise at the famed Battle of Plum Creek, Placido and his party of twenty five Tonkawas ran thirty miles overnight to fight alongside the Texians at the invitation of his friend, famed Texas Ranger Ed Burleson. The "battle" was actually a holding action against the dismounted ranging companies while the majority of the Comanches and Kiowas made their escape with their thousands of stolen horses and mules. Most of the Comanches and Kiowas that died were killed by the Tonkawas and ALL of the 500 horses recaptured were likewise recaptured by the Tonkawas.

Eighty years earlier, back East, the large and productive cropfields tended by the women of the Eastern tribes were a thing of envy and wonder to the Euro settlers, the efficient integration of corn, beans and squash actually out-producing a comparable European cropping system while at the same time providing a complete diet in terms of necessary amino acids.

Nah. There will be a civil (or uncivil)war before that stuff happens. Count it. Won't be pretty either.

Boo hoo, Indians have more hunting rights. Small price for Europeans to pay for grabbing the entire continent.

I've been hearing that my whole life. Somehow I doubt it.

I cannot wait for the day that all those "Meskin" framers and landscapers vote the United States blue - a case of getting what you deserve for believing you can enrich yourself on their backs...

You mean unlimited hunting rights. Good luck to the deer, sheep, and elk lol.

Hopefully their motivation level stays at .001%

Oh ya because we "all" chose that huh? Bold talk for a limp wristed lib

I do not know that present day reservation Indians are a true representation of America's indigenous peoples of the 1600s.

The US Army killed most of the native American males with any fight or gumption. Any Indian who really wants to better himself, and provide a quality environment for his children moves the hell off of the reservation. And a lot of white men over the last 400 yrs have worked at removing the most desirable females from the reservation gene pool.

My wife and I each have ancestors who were inspired to leave the Res.

my grandparents were the descendents of the eastern cherokee who "remained behind."

mostly my folks are from scotland, which is a whole 'nother story about banishment.

it seems like the native americans have two choices: to hold on to the ancient ways and find themselves isolated; or,
to leave the rez. and go to the big city to become materialistic americans and tax-payers.

that's just my opinion. different strokes for different folks.

but don't forget to smile when one pays their taxes.

I truly regret that my forefathers didn’t finish off every last Indian that didn’t assimilate. Signing treaties and recognizing separate lands and rights was a huge mistake.

the mighty YHWH gave specific instructions to his hebrew children.

they ignored his demands and went forward anyways.

do you think that's karma, or not?

Your forefathers did violate every single one of those treaties with every single tribe so they didn't mean much. Read the book "A century of dishonor" for the details.

A guy yelling racist and in the next breath demeaning people who live in mobile homes. Your a peach of a fellow for sure. Also we don’t want to live off the backs of the Mexicans. We want them to go home. They can live in their country that the whiteman didn’t steal from them. Oh that’s right it’s a schitthole. Points to ponder. Ed k

The US .Gov embarked upon a quest to eliminate Indians from N America, and popularized it by calling it "Manifest Destiny" and proclaiming their God given duty to wipe out the heathen hoards.

Things went well with the plan for a few years, until the Eastern newspaper started publishing stories of "Civilized US Army" troops conducting wholesale slaughter and murdering every man, woman, and child in entire villages.

The average American could not stomach such reports, and the Army was forced to start signing treaties and establishing reservations.

Very similar to when the modern press got hold of the story of the My Lai Massecre.

The best option of the day was for our ancestors to write the treaties and set up the reservations. An honorable man would accept that he inherited those treaties and honor them.

Ya still didn't quote me the treaty that the Comanches never broke

The United States at the time was experiencing exponential population growth through natural birthrate and immigration. The most lasting treaty was that signed between the newly-arrived Germans around Fredericksburg IIRC around 1840. The Germans took the unprecedented step of politely asking the local Comanche band for permission to move there. You could argue THAT treaty was "never broken by either side", for the most part. Even today Comanches still come down from Oklahoma to participate in their annual town celebrations.

BUT... not all Comanches were members of that band, not all Comanches IN that band felt bound to honor the treaty, and not all White folks in Texas were Hill Country Germans. White folks who weren't did not participate in that treaty, and neither did the actual Comanches involved feel the treaty with the Germans applied to all Whites either.

Wherever/whenever the Frontier was stable for a period of years, periods of lasting peace, acculturation and intermarriage were common. Earliest I'm aware of was in the Mohawk Valley in the 1750's where the Oniedas and Palatine German settlers swore lasting unity and formed common Ranging Companies for their mutual protection.

Looks at the Five Civilized Tribes, freely intermarrying, adopting Euro lifestyles and indulging in such things as breeding fine racehorses, a tradition later co-opted by the influx of settlers. You had fantastically painted and dressed warriors, who also owned cotton plantations complete with chattel slaves. A pretty stable situation for decades until the rising tide of American population inevitably caught up.

Throughout American history though, there was this ongoing population explosion in the United States, the "Frontier" was nothing more than an avalanche of extra people needing a place to live while the Indian population steadily dwindled, mostly through repeated epidemics. In response to outrages committed by a minority on both sides, revenge usually fell upon the innocent.



There's an Alabama-Cousatta reserve in Texas because they fought on the side of the Texians. The Comanches DID have a reservation in Texas, the Brazos Reserve. It was established in the 1850's when a catastrophic drought in Texas decimated the buffalo and everything else. The starving Comanche bands of the region gratefully accepted the charity of the United States and moved onto it. What is notable here is how little aid was proffered to these desperate Comanches by their Comanche brethren further west. IIRC the Brazos Reserve was disbanded in the 1860's in a large part because raiding Comanches would use it as a base. In this case the whole suffered for the actions of a few, as usually happens.

Overall though, the Comanches earned such a reputation for barbaric brutality in their raids that an establishment of a reservation would always be problematic. Even tho it was mostly the violent fringe minority perpetrating these atrocities.



Well then you should be aware of the problems that beset reservations everywhere, and the gross wastage of game that commonly occurs.



Up until the very end, more Indians were killed by other Indians than were ever killed by White folks. It usually took and Indian to catch an Indian.

back in the day, the hebrews wondered through the desert because they dared not go toward the coast.

the philistines, allied with the Greeks held superior technology. their steel was better than bronze and iron.

so, the hebrews wondered through the desert, on and on, never really facing the philistines.

steel from solingen germany, and sheffield steel from sheffield england is hard to defend against.

once again, with feeling, we're speaking of numbers of invaders and their technology versus the status quo.

there's nothing majickal going on.

10,000 years of advancement continues forward.

i'm a 1/4 apache.... fuc-k the comache and the horse they road in on.

This Quick Karl idiot is a troll.


First and only post I will make to the clown.

You've master dumphuckery.

lol. dear friend, i've endured/encountered a sweat lodge or two courtesy of the lakota sioux from the rosebud in s. dakota.

it's my understanding that the apache are really good wildfire fighters.

you know, if i had been raised in the old ways on the rez, i'd be in conflict right now.

whether to hold on to my traditions, or move into the post modern era and drive a new caddy?

Fantastic! I was born in West Branch, Michigan. I believe that makes me a Native American..... Guess I can shoot a bunch of wolves. Seems like the Pacific Northwest is having a seal population problem. Any other "Native Americans" out there; or were the rest of you guys born in Europe?

mike will give you a history lesson.

"Christian Americans" killed off all of the strongest Native Americans who would fight, and exterminated their food supply - the less-strong were then left to starve to death. Their only choice was to go to the reservations. Today's Native Americans are the ancestors of the less strong Native Americans, that folks make fun of here on this forum, and use to excuse the genocide that took place.

In South America today, native South American tribes are protected - by much smarter people...

You're right.

He is the master of both.

well, just underneath the skin we all might be barbarians of one kind, type, sort or another?

the killer ape, more commonly referred to as the Naked Ape is an advancement over the lesser apes.

so, that says when the species is turned loose on the face of the Urth, change is likely to occur?

right now change is in a Quickening?

I just like exposing dumb fhugc hillbillies for what they are here (not directed at you) - its a hobby...

Overall I've found that people in general are pretty loathsome creatures, no matter where they're from.

i know your comments aren't directed directly at me.

i'm just a product of really old red clay soil.

it reverberates at certain harmony or vibration.

i'm attempting to keep up with all the taxes i owe as my hobby.

I have always been more of a Raven maven.

We are in agreement on that. No exaggeration when I say that the most I have ever seen, are in Texas - not stating that just to inflame the Texans here, just stating a fact. Hysterically enough, the best people I have met in Texas, are dirt poor - literally...

Sadly, they seem to actually believe that is all they actually deserve - because they weren't lucky enough to have a daddy that left them a ranch - replete with a low wage illegal alien workforce...

“ just underneath the skin we all might be barbarians of one kind, type, sort or another?"

Nous sommes tous des sauvages. 😉

i'm your best friend till i'm not

Poor Snippy.........

Goes by his High School nickname, TFF!

The devastating effects of the 1600's fur wars across the East are well known, Indians eradicating other Indians over access to furs for trade,

In the 1740's the Cherokees, and just the Cherokees, were bringing in more'n 140,000 deerskins a year to the British traders in Savannah. In the 1760's the tribes along the Ohio largely through their Delaware middlemen were bringing nearly 300,000 deerskins a year to the traders at Fort Pitt, eradicating whitetails from large areas and prompting Indian slave raids on each other to acquire the labor to dress all those hides. How them noble savages found the time to apologize to all them deer as PC history tells us they did I dunno.

Buffalo populations went into a steady decline after the Indians got the horse, but most likely what took out more buffalo than anything else was the aforementioned drought across Texas in the 1850's, that and the spread of feral cattle carrying brucellosis and other diseases.

Meanwhile Bent's Fort up on the Arkansas by 1840 was taking in thousands of buffalo hides, all harvested by politically incorrect Plains Indians who left all the surplus meat laying in return for tons of trade goods poled on flatboats up the Arkansas.

Really the eradication of the buffalo didn't change things as much as PC history said it did. As the buffalo dwindled the Comanches and Kiowas sensibly got into livestock herding in a big way in the 1860's such that when Kit Carson went against them in the First Battle of Adobe Walls in November of 1864, all the Indian Camps were surrounded by large herds of cattle. Not often mentioned is the fact that in the first six months of 1873 the Comanches traded 30,000 head of their cattle to the US Army in New Mexico. This early switch to livestock raising is exactly why Quanah Parker was able to slip so seamlessly into the practice when the shooting stopped.



An idiotic comment but anyways...

In the winter of 1876/77, in the aftermath of the Little Bighorn when all the Lakota who were still out knew the writing was on the wall, General George Crook was able to surprise a camp of Lakota fugitives in the Black Hills. The reason he could do this so easily was that the Indians had been up all night celebrating a scalp dance. Despite their desperate straights the men and youths in the camp had somehow found the time and energy to go out in the dead of winter to massacre a camp of thirty Shoshone men, women and children, and it was the taking of those fresh scalps that they had been celebrating the night before. I often wonder what on earth were those Lakota f&&kheads thinking, their whole universe was falling apart and they take the time to butcher people, other Indians yet..

Plenty Coups of the cleaned up and sanitized account you admire got those plenty coups because he was exceptionally good at killing people. A much better book about the Crows IMHO is "Two Leggings: The Making of a Crow Warrior" https://www.amazon.com/Two-Leggings-Making-Crow-Warrior/dp/0803283512

...where Two Leggings hisself graphically details ongoing murders between tribes well after the Frontier Period.

"Despite their desperate straights the men and youths in the camp had somehow found the time and energy to go out in the dead of winter to massacre a camp of thirty Shoshone men, women and children, and it was those fresh scalps they had been celebrating about the night before. I often wonder what on earth were those Lakota f&&kheads thinking."

Shoshone???? You mean Comanche cousins???? Comanches were essentially Northern Shoshone until they obtained the horse in the late 17th century and finally made their way to Texas!!! But wait???? That means that the Comanche arrived in the area eventually called Texas after the Europeans were already well established in portions of the future state.

This presents a bit of a conundrum that might requre additional dialogue.

I think Brother Roger, our forum Lipano has just cause to be miffed at the Comanche.

Lets discuss!!!

Youse guys are arguing with a bunch of passive aggressive women.


Know you know how the red man feels.........


Mien gott.


GOT ends and the estrogen starts flowing again.


Exposing the racists.........fugg.

I think one can get one's a$$ kicked on any number of Indian reservations, I dunno that it matters much which one.

What an astonishing re-write of history - the Native Americans were bad, so that give us the right to kill them, take their land, and infest it with OUR equally bad. You must be a fiction writer during the day?

Fhucgking amazing beyond description. You may know how to write well, but you are on crack - Texass crack no doubt. I rescind my previous apology.

Every scholar in the country versed on the subject of Native Americans will tell you that the Buffalo were massacred for two reasons - to eliminate the Plains Indian's primary food supply, and satisfy the lust for fur coats back east. Just so happened they figured out how to profit on it. Quanah just happened to be smart enough to see it coming and began cattle ranching - to be able to EAT, and to sell cattle to the US Army.

Hope the same happens to you, then see how you re-tell it.

So you support him being a poacher who kills for nothing more than ego on some online forums, and trophy heads on a wall?? Like I said I support Indian rights to manage their own lands outside of hunting laws of the rest of the state etc. This wasn’t subsistence hunting. It was poaching trophy animals.intentionally crossing into another state and national forest to shoot nothing but bull elk. Then wasting them. Dangerous to set this precedence of poaching for trophies is acceptable.

Let that brew a while and Congress will take away the treaty rights( remember they can stop any treaty with native Americans Without any discussion with tribes). If you doubt that I suggest you read some of the Supreme Court opinions on native America treaty law. Congress and only congress can cancel those treaties, and not a thing a single Indian could do to stop them from it if the chose to

You can get the shyt kicked outta ya at the bar in town. Have spent considerable time on indian reservations and have yet to get my ass kicked. As a matter of fact, I was on the Onandaga reservation just last week and no problem at all. I've never been as concerned for my dsafety on a reservation as I was in Trenton NJ.

Forgive me if I don't share your excitement, I have heard stories of salmon ending up in landfills due to these types of rights.

lmao...

At least my old spotlighting Blackfoot friends eat the damn things.

how old are you?

If you destroyed my ancestors and took my land based on the fact that my people did not evolve as rapidly as your people did, I would happily do the same thing.

Me?

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I think you have it all wrong, I think you need to look at the past through today's rose colored glasses.

The American Indians were racists who did not want people with white skin in their neighborhoods. These white settlers were just looking for a better life for their families, but were set upon by racist Indians who stole from and murdered these settlers who were just looking for a better life.

Old enough to know that Texass is filled with ass holes.

And therein lies the true motive for your happiness...HATE,

no karl.. i already knew how old you are.

LMAO! Perfect! Best post I ever read in this entire forum.

Nevertheless, Texass is still filled with ass holes.

Fuggin A. I think I'll just head on out to Montana and settle on Jim Conrads ranch. Hell, I'm just lookin for a better life.

Right - but HATING Native Americans because they aint White, and didn't evolve as fast as the folks you came from and you want their lands, is OK...

Beyond Amazing.

Still your other post was funny as chit.

hopefully you can read the tongue in cheek in that post.... the indians did the same chit we did to each other before we were ever here.

That's about the last thing you can accuse 'em of, back then, they would up and adopt most anybody irrespective of color.

There were Black Indians, White Indians, Mexican Indians. Sitting Bull hisself even adopted a Polynesian into his band. Hard to generalize though because the Creeks, Cherokees and the rest in the Southeast did take up full-blown Black slavery. Crazy James Vann, Cherokee Chief and one of the richest men in America, even burned a slave at a stake over theft.

If most weren't "racist" they sure as heck were "tribe-ist".

Nowadays I expect they are as racist as most folks everywhere, maybe more. I you're taught to hate you prob'ly will, doesn't help that government money is tied to "blood fraction".

Native Americans, arguably, were 3,000-years behind the European infiltrators, on evolutionary terms - essentially stone aged. They had everything they needed and, they lived in, essentially, a paradise - they had no need to evolve...

The were NOT exterminating deer for their skins until the White man showed up and struck bargains with them to do so - just to poke the easiest hole in the previous ridiculously absurd argument.

Nevertheless, using any of this as the pretext for exterminating them and taking their land, is the same argument morons used to justify the enslavement of Africans.

Some of y'all here, truly disgust me.

Well you live there so you must be an [bleep].

It was their fuggin land that they fought other tribes to get and keep. We were just invaders/squatters. They didn't do anything you wouldn't do if I just up and decided to build a cabin on your back 40 and settle in. Hell, most folks around here get bent if you just want to hunt or even walk across their posted land. Imagine what they'd do if you started building a fuggin house on it and brought your family with you.

Exactly.

I grew up playing on. Chippewa reservation and have worked on and off 4 other reservations and one thing I have noticed on all the reservations is how poorly and sadisticly cruel they treat animals on their reservations. they also seem to enjoy having sex with children , some as young as 6 months. Helped arrest a Yakima Indian who started anally raping his 18 month old niece and continued til she was 12 because she was too old according to him. Weirdest part was his sister, the mother, and the grandmother, both their mother were not the least bit upset. Have observed this child rape behavior dozens of times on different reservations and there is no stigma against it.

They shoot and leave a lot of deer and elk to rot up where I live. If the animal doesn’t drop 10 yards from the road they just leave it. They like to target big bull elk at the state winter feed stations and sell the antlers on Facebook.

So much for the myth of being big nature worshipers

Well actually the "hate" started when white settlers were not wanted on Indian land, then were pillaged and murdered. After enough, the settlers called upon the Army for protection. That is the point whites started hating the red man and committing atrocities.

I find it astonishing Mexicans aren't also held in low regard by today's American Indian, only whites.

But tell me this, what is the difference between different Indian tribes slaughtering each other for land, and the whites doing the same?

Who said anything about "rights"? and who is "us"? Part of the reason folks moved to the Frontier was that they had been kicked off themselves by other White folk further East. The only people more dangerous than Indians to about 95% of White folks in early Texas for example were other White folks.



Sheridan (or Sherman? I forget) may have said that in the 1870's when what was gonna happen was a foregone conclusion, but just like the mostly myth of smallpox-infected blankets the remaining buffalo were disappearing so fact that any ammo dispensed by the US for the purpose (was it ever?) was insignificant. The fact is, we cannot account for the disappearance of the buffalo by firearms, it was a process long underway before the 1870's.



Unlike the 17th Century Iroquois fer example who eradicated their neighbors over furs for entirely altruistic reasons. Likewise the Eastern Tribes in the 18th Century who wiped out whitetail deer over large areas not for anything as menial as profit, nor to satisfy the lust for deerskin in Europe, they just wanted valuable stuff is all.



Quanah Parker is WAAAY overblown in the overall scheme of things, mostly in typically cherry-picked Texas versions of history. If he wasn't half-Texan he wouldn't be any more famous than Ten Bears or Mow-ray (look 'em up ) who were at least as accomplished war leaders . Quanah stayed out with a small faction of radicals at a time when MOST Comanches were already settled on ranches in the Indian Territory.

The guys I admire in that time and place are JJ Sturm and Mow-ray. "Doc" Sturm was a Hill Country German had originally been appointed an agricultural advisor on the Brazos Reserve in the 1850's. Twenty years later he was still respected and trusted by the Comanches. After the Palo Duro fight, Ranald MacKenzie sent Doc Sturm alone out onto the High Plains to bring in those Comanches still out, Sturm riding into their camps unarmed. Over the following year Sturm and Mow-Ray combed West Texas searching for and bringing in scattered Comanche refugees to the safety of the reservation.



Dude, I'm an Irish Catholic that was raised in England. Fortunately I wasn't taught to hate anyone over things that happened back in history. I wasn't there, neither were you or anyone else around today. Mostly I'm just grateful to be an American.

Im going to fix me a nice cup of tea. Been looking forward to it all day! I think tonight Indian Elephant black.


(That’s dot head Indian! 😉).

You must have been hanging around a different group of Indians.

Well for one thing they were stone age savages and we were supposed to be civilized, christian people.

Said bargains they were delighted to accept, adapted their whole way of life to it in fact. They had pretty much eliminated buffalo east of the Mississippi all by themselves anyway even before Columbus, the ones on the Plains were harder to get at, just weren't enough cliffs to run 'em off I guess.

It has become fashionable of late to denigrate the importance of the Ten Commandments to the rise of Western Civilization.

White is more better, No,Blackie?

I'm pretty sure the Indians you seen on dances wif wolves ain't realistic. The Indians in America are left overs from the mongul horde outa china. They walked around eating bugs until the Spaniards showed up with transportation.

The later Europeans gave them toilet paper so they wouldn't have dingleberry's under their finger nails. Improving the taste of their food I'll bet.

Doubt todays Injuns even know how to shoot a bow; but with a modern rifle, and with the help of a white guide-hunter; they may be able to harvest an animal to feed their dogs.


BTW; how often do injuns feed their dogs? I have seen some dogs on the rez that the humane society would make rock stars out of.

Lived a couple miles away from a res growing up in SoCal. Dirt poor, nothing but a little bingo hall back then, friend of mine lived on the res in elementary school. Seeing posts on Facebook I knew he didn't work and does nothing but go to Chargers and Padres games. Drives an Escalade, so I knew he had some money, but didn't think much about it, until I saw a photo of his house. Got me wondering just how much damn money each tribe member was getting. Found a court case online of a different tribe member not paying child support. According to the case the tribe would pay all education costs, legal fees, medical, and if you took a normal home on the res that was free too. The kid I grew up with lived in a luxury home on land the tribe acquired years after I moved, and those they have to pay for. On top of all that, each adult member at the time was getting around $27,000 a month for simply being born, based on a percentage of profits the tribe took in. Last I saw of his Facebook account, it was nothing but hate towards white people, hate for Columbus, hate about land being stolen, and more hate. Plus him saying, "Bills, bills, bills, oh how I hate them" Bish, you live a life of luxury most people can only dream of and have never worked a day in your life. Is too bad to see that much hate for people who had nothing to do with any of that. I didn't. My parents didn't. Their parents didn't...

As for hunting rights, again please, go get some wolves and sea lions. Lots of them.

When it comes to dogs, I volunteer at a canine rescue center and we often get dogs from reservations. The last one I remember came with a broken leg because the owners wouldn't spend the money on him. Sweet dog. After the center paid for surgery and he got better, the owners wanted him back. Nope, didn't happen.

When getting your ignorant azz kicked, build a strawman and play the race-card. Phouk you.

Hating settlers because they are white, and stealing from them and murdering them, is no less hateful.

Describes Indians as knuckle dragging simpletons........finds others disgusting.


Fancy.

Kwik Carl is just a miserble old man that even his own family can't stand, now he goes around the internet and tries to make everyone else's life miserable just like his...........He wants company in his misery.

Considering that the western Indian wars were largely over by 1880, and 3/4 of my family tree was still in Europe while the other 1/4 was in Pennsylvania not phoucing with Indians there or anyplace, don't lump me in to "we", "us", "them" "horrible white Christians" or any other of that bullschitt.

It was what it was - a war of attrition and a war of genocide. Some of you idiots act like it was the very first of such in the history of mankind. Nazis vs. Jew and Milosevic vs. Muslims in the 20th Century only begin to cover more of the same basic nature of mankind. Stalin exterminated some 6 million Ukrainians and moved Russians into the Ukraine. That is genocide. That is conquest.

The SJWs here want to wring their hands at the horror of it all. Stone age people dominated and killed, forced to live on reservations. Some of these same bleeding hearts will be on the next post skewering the Muslims for living an 8th Century existence. What's it gonna be? Red Man can live in the past but the Muslim man can't?

The first thing some of you better get your heads around is the idea the very nature of Man is Xenophobic conquest. Been like that since the beginning.

How many here want unfettered immigration from Central America???
How many want a flood of migrants from Syria and the Middle East showing up in your town taking over?
How many wand Kia and Hyundai to build 2 auto plants in your town and flood the whole place with Koreans who will put Korean signs, restaurants, businesses and change the whole complexion of your town? Raise your hands if you want 100,000 Nigerian Princes and their big bank accounts moving in and sending all the kids from their multiple wives to the same school as you send your kids?

See, I'm feeling the old Xenophobia rising right up in you.

BTW - how in the phouc do you think the Plains Indians carved out their territories? They went to war with each other! Losers had their males killed and their women taken and raped. "Oh chitt! Not the Nobel Redman! But Hatari, they were the paragon of peace, love and music. " (My ass, they were.) How do you think genetic diversity came to bands of 500 and 1000 and 2500? Kill the enemy and phouc his women!

What happened to the western Indians is the same thing that has happened to countless other peoples throughout time. There are winners and losers. Sorry chiefs.


I will not apologized for ANYTHING that happened before I was born. Ain't my phoucing fault. Ain't my guilt trip. I'll be sure to thank the Great Spirit that my ancestors were still mining coal in Alliers, France at the time to fire the furnaces to make artillery for the Franco-Prussian War and not riding bareback with Cochese.

BTW, White People, if your DNA comes from Western Europe, very likely YOUR people got conquered by the Romans, the men killed or captured as slaves and women possessed and raped. Any of you weeping about that? "Gee, no Hatari, that was like, um, a long time ago."

Yeah, thought, so

And that my friends is the post of the year........


Well done Hatari.

Big +1.
There is no such thing as a "Noble Savage."

Some of the music is pretty good.

The fry bread is good too.....just sayin....

Yeah it's only fair they can sell salmon in nothing more than roadside lemonade stands along the Clearwater when no one else can fish, or use gill nets in the Columbia when salmon counts are so low there is no salmon fishing in the river.
Is it racist to even mention such?

Well, thanks. Off the cuff.

"Everyone " I guess that includes you.

You can drive across eastern Montana and you will see herds of antelope & deer until you get to the Crow reservation........ then no deer no antelope..... you will see mangy dogs and houses with satellite dishes and two feet of mud in the driveway.... oh and the abandoned cars... plywood over the windows etc.....

Game management is a foreign concept, poverty and corruption rules....

Noble and close to the land people my azz.......

Thats kind of an inconvenient truth about Indians.


They will try and get a revenue stream going by charging for hunting............but they have to come off the Rez because the game is gone.



You also dont leave your yearlings on the rez. No....no. Dont do that.


The poaching problem is big.

At the same time....I have met a lot of "noble, close to the land" types on the rez.



They are more disgusted than you are.

Point well taken Jim.... but they are definitely a small minority

Victors always write history.

Treaty rights are going to increase as time goes on. Reservations are sovereign independent nations which concept has been reaffirmed in 2019 by the SCOTUS. Tribal treaties were ratified by congress and signed by the President. The only recourse to limit treaty rights is to renegotiate the existing treaties. Bad news, unlike when treaties were signed in the 1800s with the medicine man advising the chief, renegotiating in todays age will be with someone in a thousand dollar suit and holding a briefcase advising the tribes


Most tribes, before they were forced onto reservations, were self sufficient. They gathered the food required them to survive. They provided their own housing. When we forced the tribes onto the reservations and introduced them to government welfare, they then learned the welfare entitlement mentality which has been a curse to them.

Hmmmm.....a bit painful to say.....but maybe yes fubar.



Its kind of cyclic on the Rez. Grandmothers raise the children.


We bitch about the "younger generations" but there is a marked difference on the rez.


They have really lost a lot with the passing of the older generations.


There are still some Indians out on the land and they are good people.

Ghettos on the prairies.

Where do you think they got the idea for the blacks??

I don't doubt it, Jim.

While I buy all that, when is it time to join the 21st century?

Is there an obligation to force them, since the old ways are neither sustainable, nor teachable now the elders are going, going gone? What if they were required to hunt and feed themselves without the internal combustion engine? No snow machines, outboard motors, ATVs? Horseback and bow and arrow baby! Gonna bitch about losing the old ways then better practice the old ways. Live the old ways. Includes the Medicine Man for healthcare. Don't know WTF they do for the dentist, but they gotta leave the rez for me to see 'em.

Old ways as in self respect??

Well that flies in face of good morals and is can be a true waste of game. When there is no responsibility the world is another step worse off again.

But the natives, like many others have been paid off WAY more than they ever should have been. They killed each other but when we won, it was our fault.

Tired of that liberal train of thought and the bills that go with it

Nothing wrong with that

Self respect includes not getting drunk and beating the crap outta your women where I come from. Let's start there.

You have some white neighbors that do that too!

Hatari,

The Indians are a classic example of entitlements ruining people

Yep. No self respect. Lowlifes

Folks are just folks.


The SCOTUS just rules differently sometimes.

Yep. Bob hit the nail on the head as usual.
After they stole horses and became horseman the Comanche came to TX and went about the business of decimating all the other tribes who were here first in TX. They killed Apaches, Tonkawas, Karankawas, Witchatas and many more. Comanche’s superb horsemanship enabled them to wipe out or run all the other tribes out of TX. And lots of Spaniards and Mexicans too. Comanches also finished off what was left of their enemies once they all hit the Rez in OK.

So as per usual Quik Kum Karl doesn’t have a fuqking clue about Comanches or any TX history. Just another dipschitt troll that doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Bottom line is that ruling is going to create a schitstorm.
I have no problem with what happens on the rez, stays on the rez. And there are some tribes, like the Yakama, who have well-managed reservations with bountiful game populations, good forests, nice farms. Closer to home, the Blackfeet ranchers I've met are about 99,99 percent cowboy except for their tans.
As far as the conquest goes, the fact is, the Indians often slaughtered others without any compunction. Mistreated? Yes, but that was the standard and norm back then. Not today.
I really think the reservation model has run its course. Make the tribes shareholders in a corporation, make them plain old American citizens with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else, and let thngs work out.

Are Ravens still protected though?

Birdy, please, on these fora, stop trying to interject logic and proportion. They fell sloppy dead at the end of the 60's.

Just a small comment regarding "gross wastage" occurring on reservations, I can only speak to the Fort Apache rez where I lived for a while around the turn of the millennium. There may have been some tribal members and non-tribal "poachers" wasting game, however, I knew personally the director of the tribal game department at the time and had met some of the Wardens". Wastage was frowned upon. Prosecuted? That I cannot speak to, things are different in Indian Land as some here know. There may have just been some peer pressure applied. I was gifted a front quarter, and the next year a hind quarter of elk by one of the tribal members who told me "I can't eat the whole damn thing myself". While it may be an issue elsewhere, wastage didn't appear to be prevalent on the FAIR.

Re: the OP. I'm a pretty firm believer in "contracts", otherwise known as Treaties. Until both parties agree to renegotiate the contract, and it has no expiration date, then in my mind I believe it holds as written. To bad, So sad if one of the parties later realizes it screwed itself. The Fort Apache rez is a good example, those folks got great timberlands, good grazing areas, traditional gathering areas for food and "craft" materials, kept their language long enough to still have elders that could (and did ) teach it to the younger members, some of the best elk hunting areas in the state along with a native trout found in few other places in AZ and loads of small game. Likely they won't be wanting to renegotiate their Treaty.

Someone earlier mentioned the problem of some of these documents being "200 years old". Is that an issue? Really? Seems the people of the US made a contract (Treaty?) with future generations that is over 200 years old now. Seems some of those hated "liberals" wish they could change a certain part of that contract, by fiat if they have to. I think I'll stand by not being willing to renegotiate it.

Hope your spring/early summer is going well. Get a good fan if you're not fixing the A/C

Geno

First thing I thought about when I read the title was hunting crows as a kid.

Hi Geno, I gotta say that the Mescalero Apache Reservation in SE New Mexico appears to be well-managed also with respect to timber, grazing and elk. Here in far off San Antonio I have taught the kids of two families from there over the years, in both cases the parents wanted the kids raised OFF the reservation tho they returned there regularly for ceremonies and holidays. Like ghettos, it may be that the more functional and successful people get off the Rez, leaving mostly those in more dire straights behind.

We had a couple from a Rez on the northern plains come down and stay with us for a while to escape a violent dispute that was going on up there. In their twenties both had spent their entire lives on the Rez. Tho adept at the ins and outs of public assistance up there, to them America as we know it was like a foreign country, even the West Side of San Antonio. The guy liked it well enough, quickly found work, and woulda stayed longer but his girlfriend went into total culture shock that only got worse so they went back after about two months.

The bottom line to this whole thing is simple.......Karl is a liberal who loves minorities. He got all mad in another thread when he didn't like anyone saying anything about Negroes, and now he's defending the Injuns. While I do believe that the US should honor the treaties they made with the Indians, I also think that a poacher is a poacher, no matter where they're poaching, and it seems to me that that this was all this case should have been about.

Poor Queer Karl.

I believe Hunginn and Muninn do a good job of watchin’ over me!

😁

You are so full of chit its not even funny.

Like all things Texass scumbag and/or redneck scumbag -- the United States made an agreement with the Crow, and now you don't like it. NOT unusual in Texass where no Texass-an ever keeps their word. I say it is poetic justice NOT for what happened to Native Americans, but just because of y'all. Suck it up, [bleep].

I hope it goes nationwide and each Tribe shoves it as far up your fat asses as they can get it.

Voted for Trump, voted Republican my entire voting life, and will vote for Trump again - but you ass wipes are precisely why your kids will vote for liberals.

There seems to be a lot of dialogue with very little real knowledge on the subject. Emotional attachment to the noble steward of the plains is mostly a Hollywood depiction of a rewritten non-historical account of the American Indian.

I have lived close to Indians of several tribes and adopted by a Crow Indian. I have a sincere appreciation for the plight of the American Indian, but I also realize that most of the problems today can be placed at the feet of the Indians themselves.

For example: the Black Hills treaty of 1868 was with several Sioux tribes that inhabited the Black Hills. How did the Sioux get control of the Black Hills? They ran the Crow Indians out of the Black Hills in the same way that they (the Sioux) were run out of their native lands by other warring tribes of Indians that have been at war with each other since the beginning of the organization of the whole tribal lifestyle.

Recognizing Indians for who they were traditionally in America has created an additional problem that needs solved but never will until the American Indian realizes his role in resolving this conflict. The Indian is no different than any other human being in who they are and why. Everyone is a product of 2 components; genetics and environment.

Genetically, the expansion of white culture was catastrophic on the Indians, as the Indian that didn’t like the reservation lifestyle, fought against it and were virtually eradicated. These weren’t bad people, they were fighting for their way of life and deservedly so. As a result you have a strong genetic genocide that happened as the 2 cultures clashed for the ownership of the same land each thought was necessary for them to continue to live as they wanted.

Environmentally, you also had another class of Indian that was satisfied to live on a reservation and take what was given him through the reservation handouts and how easy it was to stay safe on the reservation and live with free beads and blankets. You have created a welfare society when you force people into a situation of take it or leave it and “leave it” usually meant death.

The Indian wars were unavoidable and the continual condemnation by 21st century critics is ignorant and unfounded. There is no way the conflict that happened could have been handled much differently. In 2019 the residue of hundreds of years of conquest and fighting has lead us to where we are today with tribes of Indians that are products of those two components, genetics and environment.

When everyone realizes this, and both sides come to terms with it, reparations can begin. Until then, nothing will change but the battlefield, and that is still not recognized even though shots aren’t being fired at each other...

A reasonable post Shrapnel.


I have known Hoots and Indians alike that their parents got them the hell off the colony or the rez.


They told them to never, ever come back.

Its really, really hard to be a successful Indian and stay on the rez.

Its really, really hard to be successful, when there are no jobs or opportunities to advance one's self - reservation of otherwise. Of course, some Reservations, like the Fort Apache Reservation, were lucky enough to get great land - and there are lazy scumbags among White Americans too. Take Texas for example - NEVER seen so many people (White ones) SCAMMING disability and/or social security - not even in Hawaii where welfare and food stamps are a way of life. Even the vaunted, Christian, County Judge in Bastrop - hires low wage illegal aliens to clean his RV Park - and then complains about genuine Americans collecting food stamps...

Hate all you want, doesn't change reality. I support the Crow SCOTUS decision, 100% - same as Judge Gorsuch.

Pot meet kettle. You should take your own advice.

There are huge opportunities on the rez. HUGE.

I'm just glad to see the SCOTUS tackling the big issues.

Back to Bastrop County are we?

"Hey we got 5,000 shovel heads with Hep A and TB getting cut loose every day."

Re: Shrug

"Hey, some guy in Wyoming shot a big ass deer in JULY!"

Re: Yes. We will step in on that one.

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couple of comments on this whole thread.
glad to see karl moved to texas from arizona, some things work right in his leaving this area.
as to the apache and elk hunting, from the amount of money they get for a trophy elk hunt on rez land,
i would think poaching would not be encouraged among tribal members.

I grew up around the yavapai in central arizona. One of my first girl friends was a full blooded laguna from new mexico.
i have known a lot of indians through my life, most off rez indians. Including one yavapai i even went through college with.
I have no illusions tho, their ancestors were not nice to my ancestors at times, and vice versa.
But i think karl is full of merde.

Some folks reach the right conclusions based on faulty reasoning every step of the way. Seen it many times.

Well written, shrapnel, of Bozeman Montana.

Isn't that sumthin?

lol

Hey least our county judge aint as bad as one of our last sheriffs! He was serving out his time in Caldwell county lock up. Think he’s out now.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...jail-administrator-turned-whistleblower/

No secret I’m married to a half breed. Half Indian, half white.

She’s an amazing woman, great wife and mother very successful businesswoman, her salon & spa has been voted in the top 200 in the nation 3 times now.

She does have one glaring weakness, she sucks at picking husbands 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ve given quite a bit of thought to her success, how much fueled by her white genes vs. Indian genes

Could she achieved the same heights if she was FBI ? I dunno evidence doesn’t make that seem likely, but of course while many more examples of successful business women of the white race, she really doesn’t have to bow her head before anyone except God.

Her success is even more astounding (well to me anyway ) considering her upbringing.

Dad like pokin lots of Pocahontas, and that either led her full fbi Mom to drink or moms drinking led dad to stray, take your pic.

She spent 4 years 12-16 waiting for grocery deliveries from dad for his semi-occasional food deliveries dealing with a raging alcoholic mother. Got a boyfriend and she moved out at 16, finished high school and then made him move to fbks so she could attend trade school.

All the Indian villages I’m familiar with are what most of you would describe as third world or on the cusp of it at least.

Not a pretty sight.

2 generations ahead of her, they were some amazing people, love to get her aunt and uncle to tell me stories of their early life.


The next generation, of her parents, is where the trouble started, with the welfare state opened up to them. Sound familiar anyone ?

Her generation? Meh, lotsa addicts, criminals etc.

But they do have plans, they’re going on the warpath again.

The plan is to scalp and disembowel all of us !


But they’re planning on starting w Quick Karl and Blackheart ! 😱


I heard it first hand, I know some Indians

The drums are beating....

Oh chit Sen. Warren applying her makeup !





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stxhunter; All,

We Woodland Folks started moving to New Spain (now called Texas) about 1820 to escape the fury of the GA Pony Clubs & the US Army.
(Most, but certainly not all of, the Woodland groups, who emigrated to TX before 1845, were Alabama, Catawba, Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Coushatta, Creek, Mikasuki, Muskogee, Natchez, Pamunkey & Yuchi peoples.)

Our ancestors expected, based on what the Spanish government had told them that they would be given land to farm & raise our livestock upon. - That part was 100% TRUE, as each of the families did get "free" land to farm/graze but the Spaniards "forgot to tell them" about a new word that was FAR more dangerous than the "Injun haters", that they had just fled: COMANCHE.
(The Comanches weren't particular, as they just as happily preyed upon other Indian groups, as they did on the new "white" settlers from the USA & the other immigrants to early Texas.)

On the old theory that, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", the Woodland people quickly allied ourselves with the Apache for the common defense and also allied with the new "white" Texicans, when those folks started arriving in New Spain (and after 1822) in The Republic of Mexico from the USA & from abroad.
One of the great (& largely unknown in the 21st Century) stories was about the NA allies actions against GEN Santa Anna's invading army & in support of GEN Houston's fledgling army. - My research indicates that Texas would have very likely lost our Revolution against the Dictator/GEN Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna had the Apaches/Woodland warriors nor cut off any supplies/additional troops, that would have otherwise been brought up from Mexico City and had they not harassed & "fallen upon" the rear of the Mexican Army, in the vast area between the Rio Bravo/Rio Grande River & the Neches River.

NOTE: There are NO living Texans, who are not either emigrants to TX or the descendants of emigrants. = There is not a single current Texas citizen, including those of us who are of Amer-Indian ancestry, whose ancestors did not arrive in TX from someplace else. - Virtually all of those A-I groups (who have descendants, who are current Texans) arrived in New Spain after 1780.
(Fwiw, I'm a "part-blood" of mixed English/Scots/Pamunkey ancestry, according to my DNA & a direct descendant of the REAL Pocahontas, daughter of Deep Stream & Little Fawn, though her daughter Cleopatra Smith-Rolfe. - The first emigrants to TX from our extended family was a young couple named John Robert & Leticia Fey Red Fern, now spelled "Redfearn", who arrived in Nacogdoches, New Spain in the Spring of 1822 to farm, capture/breed/sell horses & raise swine. - Most of the rest of the family arrived by 1833 & the remainder after 1865.)

yours, tex

More likely, there were just not enough Indians around on the plains.

Indians in America were just like any other human population, or any animal species for that matter. They all will breed until they consume all of their food sources, then achieve a floating equilibrium.

Archeologists suggest that by 1800 plagues had reduced Indian populations to a very small percentage of the population of 1500. And evidence suggests that bison populations were the highest they had ever been as the Indians died out.

Basically, most of what we know about the American Indian was recorded during their "dark ages".

Europe was a pretty ugly place for several centuries after plagues killed off a substantial share of their population.

People are people. The white man did not do to the Indians any thing that white men had not been doing to other white men for over 6000 years. Or that black men had not been doing to other black men for much longer than 6000 years. Or that red men had not been doing to other red men since they first crossed the frozen ice from Mongolia and Siberia.

Yes, just like the blacks in colonial America. The best and brightest were culled from the herd. 100 years of that has a devastating effect on the population for 100s of years. But the culling on the Res continues through today as the most ambitious move away.

IdahoShooter,

In the 18th Century the TOTAL amount of land, in what was later called, "the lower 48", that was occupied by Amer-Indians (including their "traditional hunting lands & sacred areas") was LESS than TWO PERCENT of the total land available. = There was plenty of land in those long-ago days for everyone, had the whites/ Indians/others CHOSEN "to live in peace".

yours, tex

Reverse Darwinism...

Happens with fine old families around here. Generation after generation, the best and brightest move away, the slowest, sorriest hang around and reproduce. It doesn't take that many cycles to end up with pure sorriness.

DF

For the most part, the poaching is frowned upon.

Wasting the meat is unwelcome as well.

There were a lot of Indians living in some pretty inhospitable regions for 98% of the land mass being unoccupied.

But such may well have been the case after the plagues devastated the tribes.

Carl is gonna end up sticking a High Point in his ear........

Idaho Shooter,

TRUE. - Also the Inter-tribal wars, of several Centuries before/after the Europeans arrived, drove many of the smaller/weaker tribes into "less hospitable" areas of what was later "the lower 48".
Further, as Europeans moved in, the more nomadic groups simply moved farther away from the "settled areas", as "hunter-gatherer societies" do not do well in "settled" areas.

For just one example, the new Woodland Nations emigrants to TX (& our "new" Apache allies) might well have spread out more during the first half of the 19th Century, than we eventually did by 1900, had it not been for the vicious/continual raiding by the Comanche & Kiowa. = Even in 2019, most of the descendants of the Woodland tribes in TX are still predominantly resident in about 15 counties in East TX.
(Even now, many of our tribal elders/"traditionals" turn their heads & spit, if the word "Comanche" is spoken. = Amer-Indians have LONG memories of the "bad old days", when the Comanches/Comanchero raiders "came to visit".)

yours, tex

I was beginning to wonder if Carl and Paddler weren't one and the same? Not true, evidently. Ah well, I should be used to the Campfire Trolls by now, I guess?

That would come out the other side without hitting anything.

Piddles is a couple notches up on Carl in the smarts dept.

Lol, is that where "Hollow Point" comes from?

But we diden't exterminate enough of the worthless azzholes. just like the nee-gros.

First of all does she know which end of the pistol kills?.

Slow Karl is probably back at DU reporting about all the mean men on 24hr.

Damn, that's saying something there!

Dude!!!

I take all that shît back i gave you about dunkin donuts.

hahaha


Hi-5 man😄😄

Yes. Indeed.

Once you went to the race card you lost the argument, after that you just became a bumbling fool.

I go to Saskatchewan every year and our guides are Cree Indians. Great people who work hard and will give you the shirt off their back. We have been going now for over 20 years and what we know of them.......they always need money. Very poor management of money. They only focus on today and not tomorrow. All this being said we like them. I could of took a Indian woman home to the US several times when I first started hunting up there. I think were looking for a way out of the bush.

last year my guides wife (who is about 15 yrs younger than her husband) actually said she noticed that many of the children born needed glasses. She felt it was from to much inbreeding and chose her husband because he was from a different tribe.

If the tribes want unlimited hunting and fishing......tell them fine but all Americans will get the same rules. See how long they would have huntable populations for substance.

Mark my words, you do not want to be a dirt worshippin' heathen from this point going forward. Pardon my f u c k i n g French.

Thanks, Al!

Um, I think it's sort of unfortunate we have a 20 page plus thread, and NOBODY PROVIDED A LINK to the actual ruling. Here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-532_q86b.pdf

It's a real wade. Herrera went across the line of the Crow rez into the Bighorn NF. So, he not only left the rez but crossed a state line into Wyoming where you'd think he's supposed to have a Wyoming nonresident elk tag, right? There are two cases in play here, the one that blows stuff up is Mille Lacs 1999, which overrode (for whatever reason) another case brought by the Crows in which the Crows lost. But that was a 10th case and therefore Mille Lacs wasn't govered by the first Crow case.

Or something like that. The libs and Gorsuch rule their way, and the conservative dissent is in total screamo, "not worth the ink."

The majority kicked back most of the case to the lower court, the forest is not "occupied" like the treaty required, but SOME of it can be if deemed so. Also, Wyoming has the option as a state of creating specific regulations regarding the Crows if in the interest of "conservation." There are other treaties with identical wording, so it's hard to say what the bottom line is, if there can be unlimited legal tribal poaching on public lands (unoccupied) year round. The final point is, Congress can unilaterally abrogate parts of a treaty, but not with Pelousy in charge, right?

So, the only winners here are going to be the lawyers.

Like I said 8 pages ago, Karl needs to read it

Just Fer Fun!

User name selection quick karl Urban Dictionary

Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath.

I figured it was a nickname given to him by an old boyfriend.

Aside of this case, Michigan indians believed they had a right to hunt & fish on lands that were their traditional territory. We don't have a "reservation" which they live on akin to what happens out west. The indian traditional territory includes all privately own land within their boundries. A few years back an agreement was reached between the state and the indians, a treaty was written to clarify indian rights. I've got a feeling this new ruling will cause the indians to attempt to renegotiate the old treaty, hell they will probably claim it's illegal...

Yes, but the definition seems quite fitting.

I was extremely fast with my Colt 45

lmao

Injun poachers.
I'm so sick and tired of the red man being hoisted up on a pedestal with this holier than thou "respect of nature" bullschidt.

Yeah, that's why the gals called you qwik carl.........Thats it!

You named yourself in honor of someone dropping a deuce on your face?
Congratulations?

Do a Google search for Marathon candy bar and Quick Karl, pfffucking retard.

Deuce head. Cool.

Karl the minute man

When seconds count, Karl has already finished. Jeezuz. I wouldn't brag about premature ejaculation, but maybe he sees it as a badge of honor? High efficiency perhaps?

Reservations like Alaskan villages are dead zones when it comes to big game animals. Get a 10-15 mile radius of Any Alaskan village you will not find a moose, or caribou. They will shoot anything and most times use it to feed their dogs. The point hope massacre is a classic example 140 plus caribou shot very little meat salvaged. Whale shot on the kuskowin River by natives that traditionally didn't hunt whales. They all get passes, I grew up on a rez in central Oregon, those Indians done shot everything hunting is piss poor on the rez so they use there ceded treaty rights and the state of Oregon gives them their own season well after General season. But most of their ceded lands are owned by landowners so they have to go knocking on doors. But natives up here are no different than their cousins down south they blame the white man for the decline of animals for them to hunt. An Indian or Alaskan Native will literally shoot the last surviving animal on the planet for the sake of shooting it. Hey Ike look it's the last elk in the world, yep Vernon it is, so what should we do? Boom Vernon big smile on his face done shot the last elk known to man.. This whole Indians in touch with with Mother Nature is complete bullchit..

A-[bleep]ûckn-men. When trump finishes the wall on the southern border he should build wall around the reservations next.

The JICARILLA Apache Reservation in NM has some pretty good hunting.

The handful of reservations with good hunting are that way for a reason. White mtn Apache reservation avg elk hunt goes for what $20,000 -$25,0000. So they are going to protect that resource. They aren't going to let Thurman and Roy the two rez clowns go shooting whatever.

A great decision in support of race-based poaching rights. In Northern BC, game populations are mostly determined by the range of a tankful of gas in a snowmobile. If within that distance from an indian reserve, there is little big game. Of course, the whites would be no better if they didn't have to abide by some rules. GD

You know Thurman and Roy??

Damn, small world.

I'm part Indian and proud of it, I also am enough white man to hold a job...

Hahaha!

Plain enough.

Kinda like it was before the rules were imposed? Say it isn't so.

If folks (whatever color) could go out back and shoot whatever game animals there were in the area, why go buy beef and pork at the local grocery. Hell, I'd just plant more tulips in the yard and wait with the yard lights on. Deer, even in early spring!

Geno

Maybe some of the other Reservations might take a hint?

Geno

Hey Cuz? can I borrow some money until next pay day? On a side note everyone knows FBI stands for fry bread inspector..

LOL uh ok go to the warm springs Indian reservation and let me know how that works out. They blame the white man for everything I mean everything... There was a tribal member there when I was growing up who drive around and just shoot deer he did not give two ph ucks either. The tribal fish and game knew who it was but could never catch him in the act. The bad part he would just leave them not even attempt to salvage meat. I grew up their, but was lucky enough to have enough white in me to see the light and get the ph uck out there 21 yrs ago and join the Army. I'm enrolled member of the Tohono O'odham nation in southern Arizona. We have too many people that think these Indian are peace loving in touch with mother nature. Ph uck I remember as a kid watching the neighbors change the oil on their cars and dumping the oil in the back yard lol.

you laugh but I knew two fellas on the rez with those names. One of them is dead think he committed suicide the other is still around working for the tribe.

I met many a white rancher that was every bit as bad.

Perhaps worse.

you speak with fork tongue white eyes..

But it drives the women wild.

'flave,

Please, say it isn't so and you're just trolling for comments?

Geno

PS Hurricane season started down there yet? And how's the fishin' ?

Very true.

I don't know when that starts.

Fishing is good. House has sold. Need to buy a boat.

Got my first car in the early 70's. The oil change in a local dirt lot was not uncommon. Neither was emptying the drain pan down the gutter if one changed oil in the driveway. It wasn't an Indian thing back then.

If you knew who the "poacher" was, and tribal F7G knew too, then it was a matter of priorities on some part for not taking him to task for it.

Funny, I considered applying for a position on the Warm Springs years ago with the feds. From anecdotal stories, I may be glad I didn't . And it's not the only Rez I know of with "political" issues. Then again, those political issues are not an Indian thing either.

Geno

Oh white eyes its not that easy.. Last names on the rez carry a lot of weight. Kind of like 3rd world ch ithole countries. If you are born into the right family you are gtg get away with damn near murder, if you are not born into the right family you are treated like well chit. If you are an outsider like we were then you have no say in anything you are just there and treated like chit. The fella doing the poaching had the right last name. Again its all about who your family is, I got it places all across America like that but on the rez its multiplied x10.

No different than white, rural, America.

Or the bigger cities for that matter.

Been told that quite frequently about this "town" I live near. Some old families, as in from the first "white" settlers, and now some are wealthy ranchers/hay farmers. One member of one of the families apparently has had multiple DUIs and is still out and driving about, seems his charges tend to get reduced or some such.

To the victors go the spoils I guess, and if you're the right family you must be a "Victor".

Geno

PS, our family name is from a southern Italian island. Only thing I worry about with our name is that someone from the old Country might still be a practitioner of the vendetta.

It's not just that. It's if john went to high school with mike and yada, yada, yada.

Corruption is everywhere. It's not just the rez.

To hell with science based wildlife management right...

The Indian wars didn't last nearly long enough

Well then put them walls around the Amish farmsteads too. They don't believe in game laws or seasons much. Plus it's a PITA following their horse drawn buggies at 15 mph for miles on a twisty road with no passing zone. Fuggers are a menace.

The worst game hogs and law breakers when it comes to raping Wildlife & fisheries are by far the orientals that immigrate here. Especially the Vietnamese.

Not that the Rez folks don’t do their part....

the whole point don't fall for the whole he's just trying to practice his treaty rights. They are out there just shooting [bleep] to shoot [bleep]. The difference is once fish and game catch up with billy bob the local redneck he's going to court and probably lose his hunting rights. Meanwhile every reservation with a standing treaty with the U.S Government will be running fast and loose hunting wherever and whenever.

Herrera may not be shooting elk anywhere for some time.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/lo...85.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

Weird I guess shi tbags are s hitbags no matter what they're doing.

Whether its poaching game, beating women, or being a chimo...

Time to get a 23 & me to find out if I’m 1% Indian. I’m tired of hunting pressure.

The Commie's up here have been using this to divide and conquer the people, they have really ramped up propaganda the last couple years.
Shortly, "UNDRIP" is probably going to be something you are going to be dealing with, then you are going to be fooked, just like we are, check into it.