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Um, I think it's sort of unfortunate we have a 20 page plus thread, and NOBODY PROVIDED A LINK to the actual ruling. Here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-532_q86b.pdfIt's a real wade. Herrera went across the line of the Crow rez into the Bighorn NF. So, he not only left the rez but crossed a state line into Wyoming where you'd think he's supposed to have a Wyoming nonresident elk tag, right? There are two cases in play here, the one that blows stuff up is Mille Lacs 1999, which overrode (for whatever reason) another case brought by the Crows in which the Crows lost. But that was a 10th case and therefore Mille Lacs wasn't govered by the first Crow case. Or something like that. The libs and Gorsuch rule their way, and the conservative dissent is in total screamo, "not worth the ink." The majority kicked back most of the case to the lower court, the forest is not "occupied" like the treaty required, but SOME of it can be if deemed so. Also, Wyoming has the option as a state of creating specific regulations regarding the Crows if in the interest of "conservation." There are other treaties with identical wording, so it's hard to say what the bottom line is, if there can be unlimited legal tribal poaching on public lands (unoccupied) year round. The final point is, Congress can unilaterally abrogate parts of a treaty, but not with Pelousy in charge, right? So, the only winners here are going to be the lawyers.
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Um, I think it's sort of unfortunate we have a 20 page plus thread, and NOBODY PROVIDED A LINK to the actual ruling. Here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-532_q86b.pdfIt's a real wade. Herrera went across the line of the Crow rez into the Bighorn NF. So, he not only left the rez but crossed a state line into Wyoming where you'd think he's supposed to have a Wyoming nonresident elk tag, right? There are two cases in play here, the one that blows stuff up is Mille Lacs 1999, which overrode (for whatever reason) another case brought by the Crows in which the Crows lost. But that was a 10th case and therefore Mille Lacs wasn't govered by the first Crow case. Or something like that. The libs and Gorsuch rule their way, and the conservative dissent is in total screamo, "not worth the ink." The majority kicked back most of the case to the lower court, the forest is not "occupied" like the treaty required, but SOME of it can be if deemed so. Also, Wyoming has the option as a state of creating specific regulations regarding the Crows if in the interest of "conservation." There are other treaties with identical wording, so it's hard to say what the bottom line is, if there can be unlimited legal tribal poaching on public lands (unoccupied) year round. The final point is, Congress can unilaterally abrogate parts of a treaty, but not with Pelousy in charge, right? So, the only winners here are going to be the lawyers. Like I said 8 pages ago, Karl needs to read it
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Just Fer Fun! User name selection quick karl Urban Dictionary
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Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath.
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I figured it was a nickname given to him by an old boyfriend.
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Aside of this case, Michigan indians believed they had a right to hunt & fish on lands that were their traditional territory. We don't have a "reservation" which they live on akin to what happens out west. The indian traditional territory includes all privately own land within their boundries. A few years back an agreement was reached between the state and the indians, a treaty was written to clarify indian rights. I've got a feeling this new ruling will cause the indians to attempt to renegotiate the old treaty, hell they will probably claim it's illegal...
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Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath. Yes, but the definition seems quite fitting.
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Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath. Yes, but the definition seems quite fitting. I was extremely fast with my Colt 45
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God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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Injun poachers. I'm so sick and tired of the red man being hoisted up on a pedestal with this holier than thou "respect of nature" bullschidt.
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Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath. Yes, but the definition seems quite fitting. I was extremely fast with my Colt 45 Yeah, that's why the gals called you qwik carl.........Thats it!
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Hey, jagoff - its a Cowboy Action Shooting handle I chose many years ago, not my real name, dick breath. You named yourself in honor of someone dropping a deuce on your face? Congratulations?
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You named yourself in honor of someone dropping a deuce on your face? Congratulations? Do a Google search for Marathon candy bar and Quick Karl, pfffucking retard.
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Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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When seconds count, Karl has already finished. Jeezuz. I wouldn't brag about premature ejaculation, but maybe he sees it as a badge of honor? High efficiency perhaps?
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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Reservations like Alaskan villages are dead zones when it comes to big game animals. Get a 10-15 mile radius of Any Alaskan village you will not find a moose, or caribou. They will shoot anything and most times use it to feed their dogs. The point hope massacre is a classic example 140 plus caribou shot very little meat salvaged. Whale shot on the kuskowin River by natives that traditionally didn't hunt whales. They all get passes, I grew up on a rez in central Oregon, those Indians done shot everything hunting is piss poor on the rez so they use there ceded treaty rights and the state of Oregon gives them their own season well after General season. But most of their ceded lands are owned by landowners so they have to go knocking on doors. But natives up here are no different than their cousins down south they blame the white man for the decline of animals for them to hunt. An Indian or Alaskan Native will literally shoot the last surviving animal on the planet for the sake of shooting it. Hey Ike look it's the last elk in the world, yep Vernon it is, so what should we do? Boom Vernon big smile on his face done shot the last elk known to man.. This whole Indians in touch with with Mother Nature is complete bullchit..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Reservations like Alaskan villages are dead zones when it comes to big game animals. Get a 10-15 mile radius of Any Alaskan village you will not find a moose, or caribou. They will shoot anything and most times use it to feed their dogs. The point hope massacre is a classic example 140 plus caribou shot very little meat salvaged. Whale shot on the kuskowin River by natives that traditionally didn't hunt whales. They all get passes, I grew up on a rez in central Oregon, those Indians done shot everything hunting is piss poor on the rez so they use there ceded treaty rights and the state of Oregon gives them their own season well after General season. But most of their ceded lands are owned by landowners so they have to go knocking on doors. But natives up here are no different than their cousins down south they blame the white man for the decline of animals for them to hunt. An Indian or Alaskan Native will literally shoot the last surviving animal on the planet for the sake of shooting it. Hey Ike look it's the last elk in the world, yep Vernon it is, so what should we do? Boom Vernon big smile on his face done shot the last elk known to man.. This whole Indians in touch with with Mother Nature is complete bullchit.. A-[bleep]ûckn-men. When trump finishes the wall on the southern border he should build wall around the reservations next.
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The JICARILLA Apache Reservation in NM has some pretty good hunting.
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The handful of reservations with good hunting are that way for a reason. White mtn Apache reservation avg elk hunt goes for what $20,000 -$25,0000. So they are going to protect that resource. They aren't going to let Thurman and Roy the two rez clowns go shooting whatever.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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