In light of the three mass shootings of the last few days and their tragic outcomes I am fearing a "perfect storm" of circumstances where the Second Amendment will come under attack like never before!
And seeings the Second Amendment has been under never ending onslaught for the last 50+ years that I have seen - that is saying something!
Your thoughts?
Sad day - I think this perfect storm of "circumstances" happening now and leading up to the 2,020 elections forbodes danger for us pro-Second Amendment citizens.
N.R.A. in disarray, three mass shootings in less than a week, mass media all dead set against Second Amendment Rights, 20 out of 20 demonrat Presidential candidates all devout anti-Second Amendment advocates - not much swingin my way it seems.
Hoping for the best.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

It will be beat up some but if the country is to survive then the 2nd Amendment will survive. We must have faith in God.

The masses will forget about these shootings and go about their business. Give it a few weeks.

The Right to Bare Arms predates the Bill of Rights. It is a guarantee that government can not take that Right away, and that the Right EXISTS as a stated fact.
Paul Revere's ride was the first US/local gun grab attempt, and it has never stopped. (And it likely never will).

Then why didn't He stop it?

It's been a progressively downward spiral since 1968, much is already lost.

We have the opportunity now to kick liberal ass back a couple decades, if we conservatives do our part.

Help me understand your statement. I thought the Second Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights.




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The 2A will survive but pressure will once again be brought against mag capacities and semi-auto rifles. Consider that only two of 20 Dems brought this up during two nights of debate. That will now change. The push-back against Trump's tweet rhetoric will escalate. Certainly, we realize there are nut cases out there on both sides. With the exception of bump-stocks, consider how many semi-autos are out there and how many millions of high capacity mags? To the extent that private party sales exist - ATF has stated that is not a "problem" when they analyze crime stats. We realize that semi-autos, magazines, UBC and red flag laws are the slippery slope.

I would expect Trump to come out with a statement or even have a national address to separate fact from fiction and address his communication style as it pertains to those who commit heinous crimes.

Hell, it's easier for a criminal to find what they want on the black market than from a dealer.
How about making a law "you shall not kill"? Oh wait, that was already done thousands of years ago. How about posting those laws in schools?

Or just go on producing video games that teach how to mass kill, and teach in school that life does not have any value, starting from when the life is inside the mother.

And this don't even take in Chicago!

The 2nd is an affirmation that the Right exists, and government can not remove it. It does not GRANT you the RIGHT to defend yourself. "WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT...."

Yep, wearing short sleeves is a God Given Right, LOL.

So sayeth Larry the Cable Guy. Amen.

The second amendment, along with the rest of the bill of rights, is a recognition by the founders that government, left unopposed, is a destroyer of freedom. The bill of rights was an attempt to curtail that destruction. But ultimately, the rights only are protected as long as people are willing to fight and die for them. All that is happening now is we are getting closer to the day when we'll see if there are enough people willing to fight.

"When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson

Damn right.

As in the "battle of Athens ".

The closest thing I can remember to a conservative riot.

The Second will survive but it will be a ugly bitter battle.

Today is my eldest daughter's 29th birthday. She will be receiving another 9mm to add to her very modest number of firearms. I recently gave my youngest daughter and her husband a 30/30 and 3 pistols.

I don't expect them to be fanatical or addicted to firearms but i have tried to imbue a respect and a life or death equation as to the necessity of gun ownership. It's not a hobby it's a matter of survival.
I always ask women when the subject of guns come up " If it's my body and my choice then why in the world would you call a complete stranger or a government official to protect the same." Try it sometimes.




I won't piss away my God given not government given right to self-defense and if i become a martyr for that right then so be it.

This.

But it won't happen if we wring our hands and roll over for them.

You just keep telling yourself that.

In a nut shell.................

Unfortunately you cannot legislate morality.........hell, a majority of young "city folk" don't even know the term.

I'm more optimistic than not.

The defense against mass shooters is an armed, law abiding populace. I suppose it is possible that eventually more people will come to this same conclusion. As I have often pointed out, here in Utah our public schools are pretty secure, partly because faculty and staff with concealed carry permits are authorized to carry at school. Try shooting up one of our schools, and you're likely to spend the rest of your life bleeding out in the hallway.

Yes, the NRA is in disarray. Worry not, gentle reader. It is not so much the NRA that politicians fear. It's the millions of us that support our rights. The NRA is just our mouthpiece. The power is in us, not the organization. We can make a new organization rather quickly, if we need to.

When a watershed decision like Heller or McDonald comes down, it takes decades for the legal landscape to be reshaped. Cases from insubordinate lower courts are just making their way to the Supreme Court. I look for major gains and a few losses over the next 20 years. I'm guessing that AR bans, California's approved firearm list, and magazine capacity bans are all temporary, as well as schemes that simultaneously ban open carry and severely restrict concealed carry.

Rights as enumerated and codified in the Bill of Rights/Constitution are not "given...bestowed...privileges" or whatever. They are rights thought to exist in nature and be immutable. As such they are "recognized". IOW everybody has the right to defend themselves and an outgrowth of that is the tool or tools to do so. The best tool is usually the gun.

As 700 has said, much has been lost already. Lately we have actually taken some ground back. Even letting these pussies talk about "taking our rights away" is bad.

Thanks for the optimism. I hope you're right.

We are just now seeing the start of the greatest 2A battle we have ever had, and we are in trouble. Yesterday, while the blood had yet to congeal on the floor of the El Paso shootings, the Socialist candidates were front and center of any TV camera they could find, spouting their gun control bleatings. The MSM is following closely in their footsteps. Most of the rest of America is so immersed in their electronic gadgets watching Facebook that they are unaware of the coming onslaught of new gun laws, or they just dont care.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Paul B.

I hate to rain on your parade but the foregoing statement is hopelessly naive. Personal convictions, opinions, and wishful thinking aside, the government and courts ultimately define what "rights" exist under the Constitution, depending on which way the political winds happen to be blowing at any particular moment. The government and courts can (and routinely do) decide whether a purportedly "immutable" Constitutional right exists and, if so, to what extent. Consequently, neither the 2nd Amendment, nor any other provision of the Constitution, is secure from abrogation by the government.

My unhappy observation is based on practicing law for thirty years.

it will all depend upon the vote.

a lot of folks supported prez. johnson.

things have changed since then by a whole lot.

but still, the gun issue, like all others will depend upon the vote.

Make no mistake, there is a battle between good and evil. Evil people are trying to get more control of the government and the people of this country.
There is going to be a fight for your lives and the future of your children.
Keep this in mind at all times.
7mm

Yep.

The 2nd Amendment really doesn't even come into play until they take it away.

At that point, all argument is over, and they will find out exactly what the 2nd Amendment means.

My truthful observation is based on 50 some odd years of Bearing Arms.

That's not the understanding of the Framers of that document. To them, governments are powerless to alter our preexisting rights (that to keep and bear arms being one), even if they come to wrongfully possess the power to suppress those rights by suppressing the liberty to exercise them. All doing so accomplishes, however, is to negate the legitimacy of the government that does it.

I am fully mindful of the Framers' intentions, as opposed to the political reality as it currently exists. Sadly, the Framers' intentions have been rendered irrelevant.

To you, perhaps.

I see universal background checks, licensing/safety certification and a banning and buy-back of "assault weapons" in our future. Maybe not next week or next year, but the drumbeat tolls on. As soon as the democrats ever get the presidency and majorities, it will be done and the complacent media will help them. It's just a matter of time, as our school age children are slowly being manipulated by their curriculum and the media. Even my own children ages 13 and 15 sometimes question guns and hunting with some canned drivel they've been subjected to.

As the left gets bolder, we retreat into our foxholes. How many of you have quit posting hunting photo's on social media? Likewise, how many of you wrote to your representatives regarding the Buchanan amendment?

Irrelevant to me? I take pride in the fact that I'm an NRA Benefactor Life Member, as well as a Life Member of JFPFO.

the public wanted prohibition. they got it, and boy did they.

but it got rescinded later on.

when the public votes and passes a law, things happen.

i want to believe the constitution is sacrosanct. and hopefully it is.

the reality is we live in a world of "live" humans who enforce the law as it is interpreted.

That's it in a sorta nutshell. Where is the line, for each and every one of us?
Are you willing to fight, possibly die for it?
The Bill of Rights must survive intact in order for America to survive as we know it. Without the BOR, they'll still call it America, but the ideals and freedoms this country is founded on are dead.
If we lose or relinquish any of these rights, we lose or agree to relinquish them all.
The country they wish America to be is not a country where free thinking people are welcome.
Like I said, your life and your children's future.
7mm

What ever the persons mental state, it always boils down to ease of access and rapid fire capability. As to statistics since the early 2000's when these shootings amounted to around one a year, it has steadily risen to more than 3 or 4 a year. And it would seem to parallel to the lifting of the assult rifle ban in 2004. Number of people killed in each incident has also increased along these same lines.

Phil

It will probably survive .... but not as you and I know it (unless RBG meets her maker SOONER rather than later AND Trump is able to get a strict constructionist - conservative appointed to replace her.) Keep an eye on California, New York and now Washington as the test beds on just how far the 2nd. Amendment can be chipped away and twisted .... until it becomes almost meaningless.

I don’t know about the right to bare arms and wear short sleeves, but the Right to Bear Arms has be going on for a long, long time...

https://www.encyclopedia.com/reference/energy...and.../history-right-bear-arms
“The right of the individual to keep and use weapons has a long tradition in Western civilization. The Greek philosopher Aristotle (384–322 B.C.) wrote in Politics that ownership of weapons was necessary for true citizenship and participation in the political system. By contrast, another Greek philosopher, Plato (428–348 B.C.), wrote in the Republic that he believed in a monarchy with few liberties and saw the disarming of the populace as essential to the maintenance of an orderly and autocratic system.”

As a practitioner of the law, perhaps you would look at the statement as given, was in response to another's post? Not a stand alone declaration of fact? In that, the Right to defense is older than the paper it's written upon.

grey whatever, you are a citiot.
that's not mispelled

Depends on "We The People".

The Bible predicts a time when all the nations will come under a single, very evil government. For that to happen, our constitution, particularly the bill of rights, will have to disappear. We don't know when it will happen, of course, and people have been trying to figure out when for centuries. We can't know when, but we can recognize conditions that will have to happen for it to occur. If enough of these shootings occur, even conservatives will start to demand that the 2d be eliminated.

If most of these nut cases are video games addicts, we can't lay the blame on Trump. It's Bill Gates' fault.

The 2nd amendment supported by the 9th amendment
Should be rock fugging solid.


But gawd forbid if the Liberal Socialist Democrats get all 3 branches of the federal goverment for a full 4yrs and god forbid for a consecutive 8

And then a bunch of libtard leaning states assist in ratifying the constitution.

This is a foreseeable possibilty.
The liberal Socialist Democrat voting base is being born and growing daily on the welfare and entitlement way of life.
Then throw in carte blanche citizenship for illegal aliens if they can do it.

This is why it is important to get like minded friends and family out to vote who dont participate in voting.

Conservative voter apathy is what is killing this country also....

Anyone else notice that prior to this big push of the leftist disarmament agenda that these types of rifles were almost never used for crimes?
Less than .03% of violent crimes involved semi auto rifles, IIRC. That's 3 semiautomatic rifles in every 100 thousand violent crimes!
But as the government moves ever closer to socialism, the very rifles the government fears in private hands "suddenly" became used in more and more shootings to kill more and more people!
Doesn't this make you scratch your head just a little bit?
Sometimes a few people have to be sacrificed in order for things to move forward. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and a host of other dictators realized this.
7mm

And it seems most of em are fugging liberal Socialist Democrats offspring, aka fugged up millennials who think they need to be handed schit their entire life.
People of your mindset are a bane to this nation.

Go find a strong tree branch about 10 ft up and grease up a rope and do the country a minuscule favor and fugging hang yourself .

i agree with that

Time for a little levity....

It is only a matter of when, not if, till the Second Amendment will be rendered void. It may not be in my lifetime, I'm 69, but sooner or later it is going to happen.

The only thing that I can see that would prevent it would be a civil war where our side comes out the winner, and a new government capable of being in power for many generations would see that it is protected. Or maybe, an asteroid hits earth and in the aftermath, things are so bad, that a gun is the only way one can survive.

At any rate, the Second is living on borrowed time, and each day I believe there are fewer people willing to fight in order to protect it, and to be honest, I'm not even sure that matters.

Keep in mind, though, that to ratify, it's 1 vote per state. ID and WY, with around 2.5 million people between them, can outvote ultra liberal CA by 2 to 1. It takes 75% of the states to ratify so only 13 small red states can block it. Remember the ill-fated Equal Rights Amendment.

I have more faith in the left's inability to convince 38 states to pass the 28th Amendment overturning the 2nd.

so, tell us dumphuck, if we had all these "assault rifles" BEFORE then ban and nothing happened and FBI statistics clearly show these rifles are used in less than 1% of the murders, why is it we didn't have anywhere this many before even though we had all these "assault rifles" available ? And here's another hint, GENIUS, the only thing that changed was the flash suppressor and bayonet lug and the MILLIONS of magazines available were still legal and yet nothing. Could it be something else you think you f u c kin g MORON? ''Here you got Greygaggerm maybe this will clue you in,,,'

HINT FOR A DUMBFUC K

Unfortunately, I think you're absolutely correct. We've lost our education system long ago. Few people bother with teaching their kids anything as far as American Values, and the schools are nearly forbidden to teach them.
Kids are more indoctrinated than taught, even to the point where obeying the government is more important than obeying their parents. We're not far off from where the kids will be reporting on their parents.
I see no way of turning it around short of a civil war. I pray to God that our government can be turned around and the country I love can be salvaged from the leftist without gunfire, but I don't believe it can be.
7mm

If that is true, and I hope it turns out to be but I'm not yet convinced it will, it will be helped along by the acceleration done by Tarrant and the shooters he inspired.

This water the White Man is in has been slowly heating for many years. If it continued along the course the Boomer generation set it to we'd never seen anyone rise up to stop it. The only way out of this is to put the gas to it.

Yes, irrelevant to you.

No, Gayghost, you lied. It boils down to dimocrap lowyers having turned a justice system into a legal system where murderers get free room, board and medical care rather than death.

This ^^^^
You don’t want more problems....Vote and get others to vote for the protection of our rights. Get us another 12 years with a good Republican and “RGB” will absolutely be gone, replaced with a SCOTUS Constitutionalist 😎

Anyone with a modicum of education should know that the Bill of Rights is an explicit statement of unalienable rights granted by our Creator. You can diddle the Second Amendment all you want but you cannot deny the right of self defense and the means to do so.

And if you don't like it bring body bags. I've sworn to defend the United States and the Constitution more than once.

The constitution is only valid if the people are willing to enforce it. If the gov can’t leave me and my constitutional rights alone, we are going to have problems. I don’t give a fug what SCOTUS says, I can read plain English myself and have zero problem understand my rights.

^^^This^^^

Where does it says this in the Constitution?



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The Bill of Rights cannot be subtracted from without undermining the legitimacy of our national government. Its ten articles are not like other amendments. They represent the founding pillars on which our national government rests.

The first 10 amendments carry no more weight than the rest of the amendments, legally speaking. They have no special standing. Again, legally speaking, they are just like other amendments.





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Perhaps not to you.

Except that the 2nd is the linchpin to all of your Rights. Without the 2nd, it just the bill of Suggestions.

Within the next two weeks, you will see Congress recalled for a special session, the object of which will be the start of the movement to repeal the Second Amendment.

Dont think so? Watch.

Who'd gonna recall them for a special session?

I will take that bet. 457 shopping days till the next election the fallout will last for years. But maybe the Dims are that stupid.

Only a president can call a special joint session of congress and senate.

Repealing an amendment requires a 2/3 vote.

Who thinks...

1) Trump will call a special joint session of congress to repeal the 2nd amendment?

2) It would have 2/3 vote and pass?


Some of you need to calm down, catch your breath, quit watching CNN, have a beer, and climb down off the walls...

None of the ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights can be repealed without nullifying the legitimacy of the government founded upon it.

No way. They'd have to program at least another couple mass shooters before trying something like that.
7mm

No, Technically there is no way to repeal an amendment. Congress would have to pass another amendment which would invalidate the 2nd.

Congress would need to pass with a 2/3 vote but then the final step in that process is that 3/4 of the state legislatures, 38 out of 50 States, would have to agree.

No chance in hell.

Good question.........

God has given man freewill as he didn't want us to be a bunch of robots. Man doesn't always make the best decisions such as the decision to walk away from God.

Don't dare them...

God works through people. If they were unprepared to confront and defeat evil then that's on them.

They've got dozens preprogrammed. All they need is a phone call suggesting they take out their deck of cards and play some Solitaire.

Several DemoRats are calling for Congress to be recalled as we speak.

Or whine and cry that it's all over and all is lost. In other words, don't give up before it has begun.

No quicker way to regain the House and retain the senate with more seats and re-elect Trump.

I'm damn thankful you weren't around to lead the charge for the first revolution...........

Okay. Great. But are you willing to crack open the ammo can and implement it when the time comes?





Spoken like a true Kommiefornia piece of socialist schitt that has become comfortable wearing his chains of enslavement.

I always think of this movie, but I guess the Queen of Diamonds would work too!

Am I the only one to miss Charles Bronson?

Right?

That’s funny, in a third-grade sort of way. Not legally relevant, but funny.




P

Trying to steal my stuff is a good way to get shot in the face. Suits and badges are not exempt.

Virginia2: You make an excellent, and as you point out, an often overlooked one.
The random gang related and drug related murders in Chicago humble the "mass shootings" done by mental deficients!
I seek an answer or a way to keep firearms out of the hands of mental deficients without infringing on the rights of tens of millions (hundreds of millions!) of honest law abiding gun owners, advocates.
I just fear that this perfect storm of enemies and incidents are a harbinger of bad times ahead for our beloved Second Amendment!
I hate to complain when don't have concrete recommendations for rectifying the problem.
I am leaning toward making mind altering mental drugs harder to come by and reducing the murderous video imaging?
Don't know - do know I am worried.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
P.S.: Long live the Second Amendment!

Chlninstructor: Nothing good will come from that if Congress reconvenes!
Been busy today chasing guns - hadn't heard that - thanks for that info.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

The People will get used to these shootings and start taking them in stride.

Sounds like capitulation to commies to me.

But we don't now do we.

Faith in God and the influence of Judaeo-Christian tradition and values has been failing for decades. Only in these last fifteen years have we really been seeing the fruit of the seed L.B. Johnson planted way back in 1954. It silenced the church in the political arena. The church was and is afraid of the fact that it might have to pay taxes if it does not remain silent. It is said that politics and religion don't mix, the fact is they don't unless you stir them.

So if that which kept us more or less civilized is removed then what is put in its place. We can see what has been put in its place, hate has been put in its place. We have become a people of too much hate.

So what did the church get for its silence? Failing attendance, churches closing. You see, today you go and you get some show put on. Praise and worship is fine and very good but that is not what you are there for, you are there fore the word. But what word do you get, one designed to not make anyone uncomfortable for fear that next week they might not sit in the pew and they might not put money in the plate.

Just like the press has failed in its responsibility to the truth, the church has failed in its responsibility according to the Word.

Please, keep all that God stuff inside the walls if you would. Generally that is what happens.

Sorry to veer off like that.

Middle finger salute. To an idiot.

If all followed Him there would be no need to stop it. Unfortunately, we have been taken over by dumbfugs like you, your buds, and these two shooters.
Do what you want to do and if it feels good do it. There is no right or wrong. Here today gone tomorrow philosophy. Their philosophy is the same as yours, basically.

Did the sky fall yet?

I'd call that darn near delusional.

God is testing the faithful, that is why.

The logic that follows that statement is that God caused it. God did not cause it, man's separation from God caused it. The question becomes why did not God intervene in this act. The fact is that if God interceded in every evil act of personal will there would be no personal will.

Contrary to popular belief, when The bible says 'made in our image he did not mean with arms, legs, eyes and ears. What actual use would God have of these things? What he means is a self determining will.

As a practical matter, overturning an amendment is an extremely heavy lift. It’s been done, but that was an overwhelmingly unpopular amendment. As long as you vote, it will be safe. Add the solid footing the SCOTUS is on and we’re good for some time.

Presidents come and go. The B of R remains. Recall that we voted for a SCOTUS in 2016 by voting for Trump. Certainly they will try to chip away at the 2nd, but they will not win. Stay in the fight.

All good points.

That..

"And then a bunch of libtard leaning states assist in ratifying the constitution."

What will happen when a state refuses to ratify a popular amendment? Same thing that happened to the 11th Texas legislature in 1866 when it refused to ratify the 13th and 14th amendments. A federal army General will enter the chambers and remove the whole legislative body under force of arms and install it’s own new legislators.

Precedence has already been established in several states. A bit dated, but established nonetheless.

Without a doubt the left wants to take away our guns. They are going about this in the slow approach. Each generation is being taught guns are terrible and no one needs one. At the point they feel they have the advantage, it will get ugly. I don't think the soldiers will all comply when the order comes. I see the dems bringing in the UN/ foreign soldiers to put down the revolt. We won't be fighting Americans, they won't have trouble shooting a neighbor, hunter or a farmer. To them we would all be the enemy. Dems will use or do anything no matter what. They themselves are pansies and would have someone else do their dirty work. If it was against them I would say cut food off, water and electricity and they would fall like a whores underpants

Kingfisher: Just got home from a short trip and watched an hour of the enemy on messnbc, communist news network, and even cnn headlines news - they are in an absolute frenzy of hatred and lies regarding the President of the United States the N.R.A. and the Second Amendment!
It is shocking how deceitful and hateful they collectively are.
Stand by Second Amendment advocates this is gonna get serious, evil, nasty and prolonged!
I thought the lame stream media could not get anymore devious or deceitful - today I have been proven wrong!
They have gone completely beserk with lies, distortions and half truths plus the "name calling" (they refer to President Donald J. Trump as a "terrorist" and a "racist"!) ad nauseaum.
And their omission of pertinent facts is simply agenda driven.
Sad.
Hang on boys she's gonna get rough!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Git R dun and GFY

VarmintGuy.....I watched and listened to normally conservative radio and TV shows today and even they are saying it is time to do something about so called "assault" weapons. I agree it is going to get rough.

No, an amendment cannot be repealed, only superseded by a subsequent amendment. If 2/3 of BOTH houses pass amendment, it then goes to the states for ratification. Congress cannot amend the Constitution on it's own.

I don't think you would get 33 states to ratify such an amendment. 19-20 maybe but not 33. I think the libs know that so they would never push from that direction. They need the courts to gut the amendment. With the balance of the court right now that is not likely to happen.

The court is really just a couple of heartbeats from doing that, we really need to keep trump and the senate in 2020 to replace RGB and Beyer with someone a little more in support of the constitution. then we will have a little breathing room SCOTUS wise.

😀 It takes 38 states to ratify a constitutional amendment not 33

Three-quarters of the states in the United States are required to ratify an amendment to the United States Constitution. Therefore, out of 50 states, 38 states or more are required. All the rules, regulations, and the process followed when making any alteration to the constitution is highlighted in Article Five of the United States Constitution. For any amendment to be done to the constitution, all the laid down procedures have to be followed without overlooking any.

I stand corrected. 2/3rds in a convention, 3/4ths otherwise.

Armednfree & Everyone else: I am not talking about the Second Amendment being "repealed" I am talking about more and more "laws" that eat away at our Second Amendment Rights like what has been happening slowly over the last 40 years but on an escalated pace/rate!
Its a horror show on all types of mainstream media today (T.V., radio, print www etc).
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

God is letting Satan have his way, for now. It will get a lot worse, then will come a dramatic change when man's depravity reaches it max. God didn't interfere with these shootings the same as he didn't interfere with Stalin, Hitler, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, or many other Satanic tyrants throughout history. Satan is running loose for now. For now.

Rock Chuck: I am not new to God's plan of letting man commit horrific acts on others (I dealt with Ted Bundy's handiwork on more than one occasion!)!
I am dealing in (asking about) mans inhumanity in using "politics" to subjugate other humans with opposing political views.
I'm not worried about Hitler and Genghis Kahn - they have gotten theirs, I am worried about chuckfuckyou schumer and nancy drugaddled pelosi taking away more and more of my Second Amendment Rights.
And sadly it appears that momentum for this nightmare is building.
Sadly the N.R.A. is weakened and in a rudderless mode.
Like I say this is a perfect storm for anti-Second Amendment politicos.
Sad.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Pickin nits, maybe. But it always takes 3/4 of the states to RATIFY an amendment. Just to call for a convention requires 2/3 of the states. This does not mean that whatever the convention proposes becomes law. The convention then can submit proposed amendments which, again, must be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

Sprint11: I guess the bottom line is be careful, VERY CAREFUL who you vote for!
Imagine, if you will, what the power mad, greedy, anti-American, bull dagger known as "the hildabeast" would be doing TODAY if she were President of the United States of America?
I guarantee the evil bitch would be destroying our Second Amendment rights, TODAY!
Thank God Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America.
Even darker times are on the horizon, I fear.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I believe you are correct. The evidence of so many foolish and baseless people in this country now screams it.

I think that ultimately the big problem is that the populace no longer supports the original intent for the 2nd amendment. Even 2nd amendment absolutists have subsumed the original intent under the far more marketable "sporting use" and "self defense" and, to a lesser degree these days, "hunting". Characterize the 2nd closer to the original intent, to allow resistance to tyranny (especially that of your fellow citizens), and I'll bet support for the 2nd plummets.

I think this argument needs to be parsed a bit. Regarding the actual RKBA as an actual established Right even before the Constitution we need only look at Heller.

This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment.We look to this because it has always been widely under­stood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.

So with that out of the way the only option to simply render that moot is Constitutional amendment and for the foreseeable future that looks extremely unlikely. The much more likely approach would be to push whatever restrictive laws believed to be able to pass legal scrutiny. Outside all the national level screeching the real crunch will be in the States. Multiple states have various degrees of "assault weapons" bans already on the books including CA, CT, HI, MD, MA, NJ & NY. Variations of these laws can spread, become even more restrictive or both. More restrictive, at some time or another assuming that ball really got rolling, could include not only all semi-auto rifles but pistols as well.

At some point the onus is going to fall on SCOTUS which will make for an enormous decision. Heller clearly states what has been seen as being "protected" are those weapons "in common use at the time". There are lots and LOTS of semi-auto rifles, pistols and shotguns out there. To call such weapons "common" would be a vast understatement. This will then run directly into this: (also from Heller)

Thus, any attempt in theory to apply strict scru-tiny to gun regulations will in practice turn into an inter-est-balancing inquiry, with the interests protected by the Second Amendment on one side and the governmental public-safety concerns on the other, the only question being whether the regulation at issue impermissibly bur-dens the former in the course of advancing the latter.

The 2A in and of itself seems to be on pretty solid ground. What becomes of it from a regulatory standpoint is much more up in the air going forward.

Anyone remember High School civics class and exactly what it takes to alter the constitution?

Do they actually teach civics anymore?

It's all laid out in Article V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Exactly as I remember it, VG can put away his tin
foil dunce hat.

Callnum: You are not making sense!
What would lead you to believe anything I have posted warrants your infantile description?
I am not advocating doing away with the Second Amendment!
I am foretelling that our Second Amendment Rights will be further ERODED with this latest leftist frenzy over the recent tragedies!
Do you disagree?
And if so what do you base your disagreement on?
Our Second Amendment Rights have been "eroded" in so many "little" ways over the last 50 years on the city, county, state and federal levels - are you denying that?
Try and make a sensible statement please.
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VarmintGuy

Exactly tin foil dunce hat.

Callinum: Just as I expected you are proven foolish and wrong and you go hide!
Typical coward!
Please answer the question(s) I posed to you in my last post - or go hide like a cowardly punk (of which I am certain YOU have had much practice.
Perhaps you are not paying attention to the myriad of "plans" to further erode our Second Amendment Rights that have been proposed and recommended by our politicians (including our President!) in the last two days?
That, is what I am posting about!
And I have been proven correct in my fear and predictions.
You refer to this as "tin hat" something - again you are proving yourself and your contention IDIOTIC.
Perhaps you should keep your head firmly ensconced up your ass where it has obviously been of recent!
You are doing no one any good - especially yourself.
We proponents of the Second Amendment have serious concerns - if you are not concerned then again you are an idiot!
Suffer in silence you idiot - that is the best advice I can give you.
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VarmintGuy

You aren't very bright are you VG? I owe you no response, at least not until you ask an intelligent question. Its real simple even for a guy like you to google exactly what the process is to change a constitutional amendment. Do your own research, I won't spoon feed you your mush.

You spewed this crap for 8 years of Obama, and my guns in my safe kept multiplying, and will will continue to multiply in the future. Double up on the tin foil maybe?

The 9th amendment says you cant fugg with the other amendments for self serving purpose,s to disparage others of those rights.
That's it in a nutshell....

I dont know why they dont throw this in the mutha fugga,s faces .
And just say STFU and go lay by your bowl.

Callnum: As a proven idiot maybe you will have trouble understanding this headline paragraph from the nations largest newspaper, TODAY:

"WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans, under intense pressure to respond to this weekend’s massacres, are coalescing around legislation to help law enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger — a measure that, if signed into law, would be the most significant gun control legislation enacted in 20 years".

Or perhaps in keeping with your proven idiocy you refuse to understand or comprehend this?
Go ahead live your life with your head up YOUR ass - it makes no nevermind to me.
But if you think you are doing yourself any favors by publicly proving yourself to be an idiot then I sincerely feel sorry for you.
Please remove your head from your ass and take in some relaity.
The Second Amendment is under siege like never before!or don't - just live in your ignorance is bliss state of stupification.
Sad.
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VarmintGuy

That's because he had a Republican House and Senate ready to block his ON THE RECORD desires and views (as he's done again this week) to institute extremely restrictive gun control and confiscation. And when he did have both sides of Congress, he was too busy socializing and ruining our healthcare system along with trying to destroy industry to worry about it.

To VG, pot calling the kettle black.

Callnum: As a proven idiot maybe you will have trouble understanding this headline paragraph from the nations largest newspaper, TODAY:

USA Today isn’t credible it is as left wing as CNN and The NY Times. Besides Butt Fu*k Chuck as already said he won’t vote for anything Trump.

All: Sadly it has been reported that the ongoing shooting in Philadelphia today (August 14th) is being done by a criminal shooting an AR-15 "style" Rifle and this criminal has shot 6 (six) police officers, so far, and has expended more than 100 rounds of ammunition in his ongoing criminal acts!
This latest "mass shooting" type criminal is now barricaded and the rest of the responding officers (the ones not wounded and in hospitals already) are still dodging bullets and trying to contain the criminal.
None of this is good for those of us law abiding citizens who endorse our Second Amendment Rights.
This incident will add impetus to the current clarion call to "infringe" on the Second Amendment.
The lame stream media are now referring to "assault rifles" as "weapons of war"!
Apparently to trump up fear and hatred of firearms?
I am up for the coming fight (and have been for well more than half a century now!) but I fear further infringement of the Second Amendment via congressional legislation (not repeal of the Second Amendment) is on the horizon!
The ignoramus kamala harris (demonrat contestant for their Presidential candidate) is now (as of 8/14) calling for more A.T.F. agents to be hired to close down certain F.F.L. dealers.
Ghetto dwelling crack dealer goes rogue criminal and law abiding citizens will be penalized!
Like I said in my original post in this thread - this has become a perfect storm to aid those wishing to infringe on the Second Amendment.
Sad.
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VarmintGuy

Never needed an amendment to remind me of my rights. It’s cool and all, but whether it is there or not changes nothing, for me. For the people who need it to feel legitimate in exercising their rights, well, they are in for a rough time. In fact, we are all likely in for a rough time. With what is coming, simply knowing your rights will not be enough. Defending them may require a more committed effort than sending money to the NRA or calling your congresscritter....

Pre-dating the Bill of Rights (and the Constitution) were the Federalist Papers (these 85 papers formed the basis of the Constitution). Read the Federalist Paper #29 by Alexander Hamilton. see: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp

It seems the framers of he Constitution wanted a regularly practicing (and organized) militia who needed arms to protect the nation, thus the 2nd Amendment ("“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.").

If you do not regularly meet and drill with your legally-recognized militia, can we assume you are a deserter?

OldGrayWolf: I agree with your statement "we are all in for a rough time"!
The "we" being legal gun owners.
I fear "things" are going to change and change fairly soon.
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VarmintGuy

Nothing that we identify as American will survive if conservatives do not organize and march on our states capitals and DC to show the demonic lieberal demoncraps to not tread on us.

But alas and alack they will not.

They'll snap pictures of all at the demonstrations, and use them to justify a whole bunch of Red Flags.

callinum: Maybe this brand new news article will convince even an idiot like yourself?
Read this article and re-assess your idiotic contentions!

Link: https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/nea...outlawing-all-new-semiautomatic-weapons/

I feel sorry for idiots like yourself callinum, you do harm that you are not even aware of.
Sad.
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VarmintGuy

calinum: Are you still sticking with your idiotic contention?
Sadly here is more of what I am posting about!
I have enclosed a link so an idiot like yourself can click on it and see which way the tide is turning!
New York Congressman (Republican!) signs on to ban "assault weapons (Rifles?)"!

Link: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...19-fnrwfheu3rgplbyo45no3q7soa-story.html

Read it and weep, then stick your head firmly back up yourass where it has been for so long.
Our Second Amendment Rights are under assault like never before!
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VarmintGuy

John Adams quote comes to mind about our republic is only fit for a moral people. And Patrick Henry, when men lose their morals tyrants forge their chains.

Mass murder for sport and 3 days of fame... this sort of depravity goes back to Nero and death for entertainment in the gladiator arena.

Without a Whiefield great awakening we will only increase in general savagery.
It will probably get so bad that fence sitters in suburbia will probably go full tilt anti gun.
I'm old.
The next gen is in a bad way

Yes I agree.
It is tilting against us big time.
Only hope is move to a radical state prepared to stand defiant against the feds.
Nullification interposition secession.... it is still the only way

Sir, a bloody CLOCK is "well regulated ". It simply means "in good working order", nothing more.

Why are you worried about the 2nd Amendment? What does that have to do with your right to arm yourself?

Preemptive surrender, that 's the ticket. TRH makes the frogs seem martial.



mike r

The right of self defence is recognized as God given and inalienable and hangs in the air we breathe whether articulated in law or not.

Yes.
But in pragmatic reality it does come down to logistcs.

Again I say the constitution does NOT protect your guns.
Your guns protect the Constitution! If guns in the hands of citizens do not protect the Bill of Rights then nothing can.

The very idea that a criminal or criminal organization (like the government has become) is going to obey any law they don't like is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below stupid.

The very argument we all use "Criminals by definition do not obey laws" has to be re-examined in the light of the FACT that the Democrats are dead-set against the Bill of Rights, like all communists, and that makes them an organized crime ring.

About 65% of all republicans are too. Some may not be but most are. They may not belong to that same family (like the Gambeinos and the Capones being at each others throats) but BOTH are organized crime rings. They are different in that they are not of the same family, but BOTH mean to oppress you and remove all your rights.
I do acknowledge a few Republicans may not be criminals, but most are, and ALL democrats are.

If Americans are too cowardly to take arms against such oppression the the answer is no, the 2nd amendment cannot survive---------------------and neither can the other parts of the Constitution.

Our nation is going to be taken over from the inside because no one seems to be willing to learn from history -----------------starting with Lexington and Concord.

And that, is preaching to the choir.
Edited: thought you were just stirring the pot from long distance, because you spell like a European. I have revised that thought.

Spot-on.

My family came to Virginia around about 1642 or so...
Perhaps I spell with a Southern slant in defiance of that old Yankee Webster? Ha!
Nonetheless in preaching to the choir I was lending my amen to your`s, and every one else`s who stands up for God given inalienable rights.

Absolutely, it does. That doesn't prevent a despotic government who no longer cares what your rights are from taking your guns and putting you in prison or shooting you if you refuse to go.

See edited post above.

I think it will get bad.
Widespread gun grabbing will be the spark to the tinder.
But the soccer mom's of suburbia and their obedient husbands will tip the balance against reason and wisdom; just like sodomite marriage.

Yes indeed.
I think the declaration is hated by a majority now and certainly ignored by our courts, laws of nature and nature's God etc.

callinum: Need more proof/evidence our Second Amendment Rights are now under vicious attack?
Even for idiots like yourself the enclosed linked to article should eliminate any doubts about that!
Here is a link (if you are smart enough to click on it!) for more evidence of what is on the immediate horizon!

Link: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/house-democrats-plan-ammunition-ban-vote-next-month

callinum, I actually feel sorry for you, mixed in with my disdain for your pathetic ignorance!
You have probably invoked a good tactic, to save what little is left of your miserable reputation - suffer in silence!
Sad.
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VarmintGuy

Well, all I can say is - they better start making a few million body bags....'cause they're gonna need 'em..

The 2nd Amendment will always survive.

What won't survive is the NRA. The demonstrable self-dealing and corruption by the principals will cause them to lose their tax exempt status with the IRS. Additionally, the Attorney General of New York State is shortly about to revoke their corporate charter.

Both are fatal to the organization.

They are embezzling themselves out of existence. Each week that goes by we hear of more and more Board Members resigning. They are getting out of harms way before it's too late.

I see the effete little ladder PTSD gagger is here. What happened to collusion Jeff Obama...?

I've been sending money to the NRA since before you were born, A-hole.

Stick to licking Trump's balls. You're an ace at that.

Truth. They will be found guilty of the crimes charged against them in NY.

And yes, the 2A will survive as Trump said it would and he will Ultra MAGA.

only way is for us to get our side orginized and fight the gooberment.

The right to bear arms does, too.