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You just keep telling yourself that.

In a nut shell.................

Unfortunately you cannot legislate morality.........hell, a majority of young "city folk" don't even know the term.

I'm more optimistic than not.

The defense against mass shooters is an armed, law abiding populace. I suppose it is possible that eventually more people will come to this same conclusion. As I have often pointed out, here in Utah our public schools are pretty secure, partly because faculty and staff with concealed carry permits are authorized to carry at school. Try shooting up one of our schools, and you're likely to spend the rest of your life bleeding out in the hallway.

Yes, the NRA is in disarray. Worry not, gentle reader. It is not so much the NRA that politicians fear. It's the millions of us that support our rights. The NRA is just our mouthpiece. The power is in us, not the organization. We can make a new organization rather quickly, if we need to.

When a watershed decision like Heller or McDonald comes down, it takes decades for the legal landscape to be reshaped. Cases from insubordinate lower courts are just making their way to the Supreme Court. I look for major gains and a few losses over the next 20 years. I'm guessing that AR bans, California's approved firearm list, and magazine capacity bans are all temporary, as well as schemes that simultaneously ban open carry and severely restrict concealed carry.

Rights as enumerated and codified in the Bill of Rights/Constitution are not "given...bestowed...privileges" or whatever. They are rights thought to exist in nature and be immutable. As such they are "recognized". IOW everybody has the right to defend themselves and an outgrowth of that is the tool or tools to do so. The best tool is usually the gun.

As 700 has said, much has been lost already. Lately we have actually taken some ground back. Even letting these pussies talk about "taking our rights away" is bad.

Thanks for the optimism. I hope you're right.

We are just now seeing the start of the greatest 2A battle we have ever had, and we are in trouble. Yesterday, while the blood had yet to congeal on the floor of the El Paso shootings, the Socialist candidates were front and center of any TV camera they could find, spouting their gun control bleatings. The MSM is following closely in their footsteps. Most of the rest of America is so immersed in their electronic gadgets watching Facebook that they are unaware of the coming onslaught of new gun laws, or they just dont care.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
Paul B.

I hate to rain on your parade but the foregoing statement is hopelessly naive. Personal convictions, opinions, and wishful thinking aside, the government and courts ultimately define what "rights" exist under the Constitution, depending on which way the political winds happen to be blowing at any particular moment. The government and courts can (and routinely do) decide whether a purportedly "immutable" Constitutional right exists and, if so, to what extent. Consequently, neither the 2nd Amendment, nor any other provision of the Constitution, is secure from abrogation by the government.

My unhappy observation is based on practicing law for thirty years.

it will all depend upon the vote.

a lot of folks supported prez. johnson.

things have changed since then by a whole lot.

but still, the gun issue, like all others will depend upon the vote.

Make no mistake, there is a battle between good and evil. Evil people are trying to get more control of the government and the people of this country.
There is going to be a fight for your lives and the future of your children.
Keep this in mind at all times.
7mm

Yep.

The 2nd Amendment really doesn't even come into play until they take it away.

At that point, all argument is over, and they will find out exactly what the 2nd Amendment means.

My truthful observation is based on 50 some odd years of Bearing Arms.

That's not the understanding of the Framers of that document. To them, governments are powerless to alter our preexisting rights (that to keep and bear arms being one), even if they come to wrongfully possess the power to suppress those rights by suppressing the liberty to exercise them. All doing so accomplishes, however, is to negate the legitimacy of the government that does it.

I am fully mindful of the Framers' intentions, as opposed to the political reality as it currently exists. Sadly, the Framers' intentions have been rendered irrelevant.

To you, perhaps.

I see universal background checks, licensing/safety certification and a banning and buy-back of "assault weapons" in our future. Maybe not next week or next year, but the drumbeat tolls on. As soon as the democrats ever get the presidency and majorities, it will be done and the complacent media will help them. It's just a matter of time, as our school age children are slowly being manipulated by their curriculum and the media. Even my own children ages 13 and 15 sometimes question guns and hunting with some canned drivel they've been subjected to.

As the left gets bolder, we retreat into our foxholes. How many of you have quit posting hunting photo's on social media? Likewise, how many of you wrote to your representatives regarding the Buchanan amendment?

Irrelevant to me? I take pride in the fact that I'm an NRA Benefactor Life Member, as well as a Life Member of JFPFO.

the public wanted prohibition. they got it, and boy did they.

but it got rescinded later on.

when the public votes and passes a law, things happen.

i want to believe the constitution is sacrosanct. and hopefully it is.

the reality is we live in a world of "live" humans who enforce the law as it is interpreted.

That's it in a sorta nutshell. Where is the line, for each and every one of us?
Are you willing to fight, possibly die for it?
The Bill of Rights must survive intact in order for America to survive as we know it. Without the BOR, they'll still call it America, but the ideals and freedoms this country is founded on are dead.
If we lose or relinquish any of these rights, we lose or agree to relinquish them all.
The country they wish America to be is not a country where free thinking people are welcome.
Like I said, your life and your children's future.
7mm