One of the looney dems will make a crazy statement that Trump had something to do with this, his name was mentioned briefly in the Epstein follies.
Their MO is accusing the right of doing the very thing they've been doing all along. The media will run with it and the Repubs will play the deer in headlights.
*I am a two finger typer and Steve beat me to this.
Good point Rock Chuck. I bet a few got a little side money. Unbelievable what happens when the Clintons are close to trouble. And amazing that it goes unchecked.
We have had a dozen of y'all boys, in the past month, predicting this very thing. Honestly I thought y'all were kidding, and being a little silly.
No, y'all were all right. Just two days ago, the big names started making the news, a famous senator from Maine, and also a very famous Democrat from New Mexico, former Governor Bill Richardson. Richardson was a pal of Bill and Hillary. On NBC Nightly News, both men were accused of being on the island and banging young girls with Epstein. Mr. Richardson denied any involvement.
No, the names of the big Dems just started rolling out two days ago, and just like y'all said, now Epstein "has committed suicide."
Have any guards suddenly retired to live off their new 'lottery' winnings?
If there are any, they'll be next in line to experience a horrible "accident". Dead men tell no tales. The Clintons are experts at erasing all potential witnesses and paper trails.
One of the looney dems will make a crazy statement that Trump had something to do with this, his name was mentioned briefly in the Epstein follies.
Their MO is accusing the right of doing the very thing they've been doing all along. The media will run with it and the Repubs will play the deer in headlights.
*I am a two finger typer and Steve beat me to this.
Yes, it was. It seems one of the whistle blowers, who was used as an underaged sex slave, had a ligitamate job with Trump's business before being lured away by the pedophile.
Whatever happened ,whether someone killed him or his death was faked you can bet the bank that the Demonic Bastard did not kill himself. Loose lip sinks ship.
Im sure sombody milked him for info during his little stay,, Im also sure news of more impending suicides from contibutors to the clinton charities will weigh heavily on bill an hill
Epstein is gone and so are the charges. What will/can the DOJ do now to continue on with the takedown of these pedophiles, or was there never any real takedown attempting the first place?
Hanging requires something to be hung from, yes. What “something” is available to hang from in a jail cell, especially one where the occupant is on suicide watch.
What object used for hanging, Belt, bed sheets, elastic band from underwear, is readily available to a prison or in his/her cell, especially one on suicide watch?
What exactly does suicide watch mean as opposed to regular incarceration?
If Barr really wanted to take down this “ring” and needed Epstein to do it, why was Epstein not removed from the custody of the corrupt, anti-Trump SDNY? Why not GITMO?
Does being on suicide watch involve constant video surveillance? If so where are the tapes?
The two mass shootings got Comey and Epstein off the news for a couple of days. Now a little Arkincide on Saturday to finish the week. Like some others mentioned, if cremation is mentioned we will never be sure. Hasbeen
Wouldn't surprise me if Epstein isn't even dead. The Trump coup attempt has clearly shown our government is corrupt as hell and will stop at nothing to protect the deep state.
Wouldn't surprise me if Epstein isn't even dead. The Trump coup attempt has clearly shown our government is corrupt as hell and will stop at nothing to protect the deep state.
Nope hes dead. No opportunity to implicate the rich and powerful.
If he is dead the big names that were listed on the documents that came out are really worried. Now they do not have a shot as successfully challenging the search warrant executed on Epstein's mansion. Anything found in that mansion is now admissible in court because Epstein is dead. Years and years of litigation just went POOF!
Hanging requires something to be hung from, yes. What “something” is available to hang from in a jail cell, especially one where the occupant is on suicide watch.
What object used for hanging, Belt, bed sheets, elastic band from underwear, is readily available to a prison or in his/her cell, especially one on suicide watch?
What exactly does suicide watch mean as opposed to regular incarceration?
If Barr really wanted to take down this “ring” and needed Epstein to do it, why was Epstein not removed from the custody of the corrupt, anti-Trump SDNY? Why not GITMO?
Does being on suicide watch involve constant video surveillance? If so where are the tapes?
You'd be amazed. I had a gal kill herself in jail by leaning up against the edge of her bunk long enough to cut off oxygen. Had a dude stuff a whole boiled egg down his throat. Another drowned himself in the toilet.
I don't know about there, but suicide watch is typically 15 minute cell checks and a camera cell being monitored 24/7.
Have any guards suddenly retired to live off their new 'lottery' winnings?
If there are any, they'll be next in line to experience a horrible "accident". Dead men tell no tales. The Clintons are experts at erasing all potential witnesses and paper trails.
Yep.
Remember back when Hillary had the Rose law firm paper shredders running at subpoena speed.
Holy Schitt! I read the title early this morning, and didn't want to click on it, because I assumed it was in reference to the event that happened a few weeks ago, i.e., old news. This is really amazing.
Seems highly likely that his death was arranged to protect a whole slew of elites. How hard is it to keep a high priority prisoner like him from killing himself??
We have had a dozen of y'all boys, in the past month, predicting this very thing. Honestly I thought y'all were kidding, and being a little silly.
No, y'all were all right. Just two days ago, the big names started making the news, a famous senator from Maine, and also a very famous Democrat from New Mexico, former Governor Bill Richardson. Richardson was a pal of Bill and Hillary. On NBC Nightly News, both men were accused of being on the island and banging young girls with Epstein. Mr. Richardson denied any involvement.
No, the names of the big Dems just started rolling out two days ago, and just like y'all said, now Epstein "has committed suicide."
Damn.
I used to think "conspiracy theorists" were a little nuts. Then Trump got elected and the so called "deep state" attempted a coup right out in plain sight with the help of most of the media. Now this.
This is why the FBI warned about attempts to destabilize society through conspiracy theories?
That sounds like a conspiracy theory. That makes you a domestic terrorist. According to the Patriot Act, they can now just pick you up and drop you into a black site, never to be heard from again.
I used to think "conspiracy theorists" were a little nuts. Then Trump got elected and the so called "deep state" attempted a coup right out in plain sight with the help of most of the media. Now this.
Its not really theory any more, just conspiracy.
Welcome to the club. Many of us have had that realization for decades.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
We used to check on a suicide watch four times an hour. He had to move at least a little to say he was lying down. Recorded it each time on a sheet with a separate entry. I believe it is five times an hour now. I haven't worked Ad Seg for a while now. It's a young man's job. I don't do Seg or work on Visiting Room days. Be Well. Rusty
This is why the FBI warned about attempts to destabilize society through conspiracy theories?
That sounds like a conspiracy theory. That makes you a domestic terrorist. According to the Patriot Act, they can now just pick you up and drop you into a black site, never to be heard from again.
And the Clintons strike again. Why am I not surprised. I'm thinking there are a few young ladies in fear for their lives as well. Might be a whole raft of arkencides happing very very near future. Paul B.
Not to worry guys.......Just heard on TV that the FBI is going to investigate Epstein's Arkancide. I'm sure the nation's premier law enforcement organization will set things right.
Not to worry guys.......Just heard on TV that the FBI is going to investigate Epstein's Arkancide. I'm sure the nation's premier law enforcement organization will set things right.
Will Mueller be leading it?
How long before he links Epstein's death to Trump/Russian collusion?
Holy Schitt! I read the title early this morning, and didn't want to click on it, because I assumed it was in reference to the event that happened a few weeks ago, i.e., old news. This is really amazing.
Seems highly likely that his death was arranged to protect a whole slew of elites. How hard is it to keep a high priority prisoner like him from killing himself??
This stinks to high heaven.
Well, Jim McDougal died in his cell a few days before testifying about White Water.
I used to think "conspiracy theorists" were a little nuts. Then Trump got elected and the so called "deep state" attempted a coup right out in plain sight with the help of most of the media. Now this.
Its not really theory any more, just conspiracy.
Welcome to the club. Many of us have had that realization for decades.
Yep. Us tinfoil type nutjobs been spot on. There are no coincidences with our govt.
Not to worry guys.......Just heard on TV that the FBI is going to investigate Epstein's Arkancide. I'm sure the nation's premier law enforcement organization will set things right.
Will Mueller be leading it?
How long before he links Epstein's death to Trump/Russian collusion?
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
An informed post, thank you. Some are now saying that he was not on suicide watch, is that feasible?
Before today, even a Hollywood movie about Jeffrey Epstein’s escapades and high profile friends would not have contemplated ending in his supposed suicide.
Too suspicious.
According to law enforcement sources quoted in the New York Post, there was a call for a reported cardiac arrest at the Manhattan Correctional Center just before 6:40 a.m. this morning. Authorities indicate Epstein had been found unconscious in his jail cell, and was rushed to the hospital where pronounced dead.
New documents in Epstein’s case were released Friday. There were reports he was considering providing information to authorities in an effort to shave time off any prison sentence.
Epstein, 66, was arrested on July 6 and accused of sexually abusing dozens of young, underage girls. It was widely speculated he held blackmail material and damaging information on countless powerful political figures, Hollywood personalities and rich people around the world.
He was jailed on July 18. Epstein asked the judge to allow him to await trial at home under house arrest with an electric monitor and 24/7 surveillance, but the judge said no.
Epstein likely believed his life was in danger. There was plenty of speculation he would never make it to trial.
Last month, on July 24, Epstein was rushed to a hospital after alleged suicide attempt in his New York jail cell. He’d reportedly been found on the floor “blue in the face” with marks on his neck. Medical officials reportedly concluded Epstein had attempted suicide. He was returned to his jail cell the same day under “suicide watch.” This means he should have been monitored 24/7 so that he would not be able to injure himself.
Although the July 24 incident was regarded as a suicide attempt, there was no public reporting as to what Epstein himself said about it.
At the time, Spencer Kevin, an attorney for several of Epstein’s alleged victims in a 2008 case, said Epstein’s life was “definitely in jeopardy.”
I question whether or not it was a true suicide attempt that Mr. Epstein was involved in in jail or whether or not there may be some powerful people who just don’t want him to talk…It’ll be interesting to see whether or not Mr. Epstein attempts again to get out on bail and if he does, whether he survives between now and the date of his trial.
Spencer Kuvin, Epstein victims’ attorney, July 30 In the 2008 case, Epstein was convicted of underage sex and exploitation charges in a plea deal that is being criticized as lenient. Among other terms, he served 13 months in prison and was allowed to leave custody during the day.
Epstein was previously found injured in his cell on July 24. Authorities reportedly placed him on suicide watch following a medical examination.
Questions A few of the obvious questions in the aftermath of Epstein’s death include:
1. Considering the nature of the charges against him and the danger he faced, why wasn’t Epstein in special protective custody from the start with 24-hour cameras and security monitoring him in jail? Who makes such decisions?
2. Even if Epstein wasn’t carefully monitored initially, how could he have been returned to the same cell under “suicide watch,” yet end up dead?
3. What does the video that was monitoring Epstein’s jail cell show?
4. What did guards and other inmates see and hear?
5. What did Epstein supposedly use to commit suicide, since all items that could help an inmate accomplish that are supposed to be removed from the cell?
6. Who, specifically, was responsible for watching Epstein and ensuring he remained unharmed?
7. What, exactly, did Epstein tell his attorney and medical personnel after his reported suicide attempt last month? Was his interview recorded?
8. Is there any chance Epstein isn’t dead, but was put into witness protection?
9. Will there be an autopsy and will the results be released?
Part of the strange story surrounding Epstein’s death may be told in the coming days through the official response. Will we learn the names of those who surrounded Epstein in jail and those who were responsible for watching him? Will their testimony be released? Will they be held accountable?
After Epstein’s July arrest, Democrat political strategist Christine Pelosi, daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, tweeted a warning that it was “quite likely” that Epstein would implicate major political figures.
“This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may—whether on Republicans or Democrats.”
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
Not to worry guys.......Just heard on TV that the FBI is going to investigate Epstein's Arkancide. I'm sure the nation's premier law enforcement organization will set things right.
I hear they're reinstating Peter Strzok to lead the investigation.
Not to worry guys.......Just heard on TV that the FBI is going to investigate Epstein's Arkancide. I'm sure the nation's premier law enforcement organization will set things right.
I hear they're reinstating Peter Strzok to lead the investigation.
Strzok would be well advised to watch his own six.
He knows too much, could be next.
Excess info (on the wrong people) can evidently be quite toxic.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
All correct. Stinks to high heaven.
More so since he wasn't on suicide watch.
Not saying he didn't kill himself, I think it's completely plausible that he didn't. But I've also worked in a correctional facility and I have seen breakdowns in this 24hr surveillance security. One guy, who was on 24hr surveillance in a special room designed for this exact purpose, was one night able to rip the rubber doorstop off the wall and stick it in his ass, and then rip the wires out of his call button and stick them up his pecker and into his bladder, perforating it, all in order to go to the hospital. I can't remember if this was the same night he swallowed a plastic spork. Despite all this constant surveillance, he was always managing to do crazy enough schit to land him in the hospital.
No loss. He already spilled what and who was involved. That was just a message to some others. Perfect timing anyway. If you think it was suicide, then check the math.
True. When most people are saying this guy is going to be suicided in prison, and then it happens (against all odds, if things were on the up and up), that's a pretty suspicious death.
No loss. He already spilled what and who was involved. That was just a message to some others. Perfect timing anyway. If you think it was suicide, then check the math.
That's the thing. People predicted it in almost a joking manner because it would be such a blatant move to shut him up. But then it actually happened. Whoever "they" are, they are either so scared they do this out of desperation or, and this is far more likely, they are so secure and arrogant in their own power that they do it regardless of the fallout. They own the media so they completely control the narrative. And the vast majority of people across America couldn't care less.
I'm not telling anyone here anything new but we really are deep into the 7th stage of democracy, apathy and ever increasing dependence. And if any of the current crop of Democrats ever get in the White House they will complete step 7 ASAP and go right to step 8 in a very few years.
1. From Bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage"
I hope Epstein had a dead man switch to release every bit of his blackmail files. He would be a damned fool not to have in his situation. Epstein was definitely a lot of things, but I do not think fool makes the list.
That's the thing. People predicted it in almost a joking manner because it would be such a blatant move to shut him up. But then it actually happened. Whoever "they" are, they are either so scared they do this out of desperation or, and this is far more likely, they are so secure and arrogant in their own power that they do it regardless of the fallout. They own the media so they completely control the narrative. And the vast majority of people across America couldn't care less.
I'm not telling anyone here anything new but we really are deep into the 7th stage of democracy, apathy and ever increasing dependence. And if any of the current crop of Democrats ever get in the White House they will complete step 7 ASAP and go right to step 8 in a very few years.
1. From Bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage"
Great post and reminder of where we came from and are now heading. Can 7 and 8 be stopped? I doubt it at this stage. It doesn't mean we should let it happen without resisting the trend.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
An informed post, thank you. Some are now saying that he was not on suicide watch, is that feasible?
mike r
Absolutely not. In the three prisons I've worked in, a case like this would have treated with the highest level of security. Every measure and then some would have been taken to assure his safety. As I said I am sure beyond any shadow of a doubt he did not commit suicide. This smacks of corruption to the highest levels in that facility and the state for that matter.
They have so much power it doesn't matter to them if we know. They can stick it in our face and tell us to FO, and it isn't the Clinton's, either. It's their handlers.
The concept of Epstin going into the Witness Protection program and leaving everything in place for the prosecution of all his friends is not nearly the tin foil hat plot I first thought it to be.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
All correct. Stinks to high heaven.
More so since he wasn't on suicide watch.
Not saying he didn't kill himself, I think it's completely plausible that he didn't. But I've also worked in a correctional facility and I have seen breakdowns in this 24hr surveillance security. One guy, who was on 24hr surveillance in a special room designed for this exact purpose, was one night able to rip the rubber doorstop off the wall and stick it in his ass, and then rip the wires out of his call button and stick them up his pecker and into his bladder, perforating it, all in order to go to the hospital. I can't remember if this was the same night he swallowed a plastic spork. Despite all this constant surveillance, he was always managing to do crazy enough schit to land him in the hospital.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
An informed post, thank you. Some are now saying that he was not on suicide watch, is that feasible?
mike r
It. would be a way to facilitate murder. Freaking auto correct crap.
Prince Andrew, politicians named in Epstein documents U.S. & WORLD by: CNN
Posted: Aug 10, 2019 / 07:01 AM EDT / Updated: Aug 10, 2019 / 07:01 AM EDT
Hundreds of pages of court documents in the case against multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein and his associates were unsealed Friday in New York federal court.
They allege new details of sexual abuse claims connected to a 2015 defamation case by Virginia Giuffre.
Giuffre has claimed that Epstein kept her as a teen “sex slave” nearly two decades ago and made her have sex with prominent men, including Britan’s Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.
Giuffre says she was trafficked to see Prince Andrew in London in 2001.
Buckingham Palace issued a statement Friday denying the allegations.
Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell were also named in the case.
Bill Richardson is a big player in the Democrat party and a close friend of the Clintons. He was UN Ambassador under Clinton, also Secretary of Energy. He also was chairman of the Democrat National Committee for the 2004 elections.
His name came out last night and this was hitting very close to home for the Clintons.
No loss. He already spilled what and who was involved. That was just a message to some others. Perfect timing anyway. If you think it was suicide, then check the math.
Born 20 Jan 1953
Died 10th Aug 2019
Thanks for that, K, but if his info is All spilled, why would Mossad still want him? Torture?
He would still have to have worthwhile secret info they wanted to keep safe.
They have so much power it doesn't matter to them if we know. They can stick it in our face and tell us to FO, and it isn't the Clinton's, either. It's their handlers.
Yep. Not the Clintons. Fun to put these things on them, but they are low on the totem pole. The Clintons and Epstein are pawns of the masters of the same power structure, all made fabulously wealthy for serving them well.
They have so much power it doesn't matter to them if we know. They can stick it in our face and tell us to FO, and it isn't the Clinton's, either. It's their handlers.
Yep. Not the Clintons. Fun to put these things on them, but they are low on the totem pole. The Clintons and Epstein are pawns of the masters of the same power structure, all made fabulously wealthy for serving them well.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
All correct. Stinks to high heaven.
More so since he wasn't on suicide watch.
Not saying he didn't kill himself, I think it's completely plausible that he didn't. But I've also worked in a correctional facility and I have seen breakdowns in this 24hr surveillance security. One guy, who was on 24hr surveillance in a special room designed for this exact purpose, was one night able to rip the rubber doorstop off the wall and stick it in his ass, and then rip the wires out of his call button and stick them up his pecker and into his bladder, perforating it, all in order to go to the hospital. I can't remember if this was the same night he swallowed a plastic spork. Despite all this constant surveillance, he was always managing to do crazy enough schit to land him in the hospital.
Was he crazy? Was Epstein crazy?
Dunno about Epstein but homeboy I just described was crazy as a loon. Weirdest, most off-putting individual I've ever laid eyes on. Reminded me more of an animal than a human. His eyes were lifeless as he stared at me with the curiosity of a puppy while he absentmindedly pet the large non-healing wound on his stomach (the wound was from repeated surgical entry to remove schit he'd swallowed, like sporks and batteries, and that he intentionally kept as perpetually infected as he could by rubbing his own feces into it.) Weird as hell, never seen anything else like it.
My point is that he was under the maximum surveillance that particular prison had to offer (maximum security Federal). If he had enough unsupervised time to rip a rubber knob off the wall and shove it in his ass and also tear apart, separate, and insert wiring far enough up his crank to perf his bladder, then he probably would have found time to hang himself. He also (to my knowledge) was not a celebrity and presumably didn't know the Clintons.* There are plenty of reasons eyebrows are raised in the Epstein case, all around, and I'm not disputing that. Just saying it's not impossible he wanted to die and could have made it happen. Aaron Hernandez made it happen, not on his first attempt as I recall.
*This is speculative. He was indeed in prison in for heinous sexual crimes so who knows...
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
Is there any got damned thing that happens on this earth that you retards WON'T blame on Trump?
Having people from all sides of the USA political spectrum gunning for him, plus more than a few influential international players with skin in the game (literally) probably had him playing "Let's make a deal" with more than one powerful person. The scenarios described above aren't just idle speculation- - - - -at least one of them is probably true. It's highly unlikely us peons will ever know the truth, however. Heard of any good Elvis sightings lately??????? Jerry
Having people from all sides of the USA political spectrum gunning for him, plus more than a few influential international players with skin in the game (literally) probably had him playing "Let's make a deal" with more than one powerful person. The scenarios described above aren't just idle speculation- - - - -at least one of them is probably true. It's highly unlikely us peons will ever know the truth, however. Heard of any good Elvis sightings lately??????? Jerry
You know, there is an angle we have all missed here...haul in all of the clinton's acquaintances and hold them until they all spontaneously suicide...air will be an awful lot cleaner.
You know, there is an angle we have all missed here...haul in all of the clinton's acquaintances and hold them until they all spontaneously suicide...air will be an awful lot cleaner.
You know, there is an angle we have all missed here...haul in all of the clinton's acquaintances and hold them until they all spontaneously suicide...air will be an awful lot cleaner.
So.....who’s next in line to be arrested for all the nonsense surrounding Epstein?
He’s dead, case closed?
Well, they've now demonstrated that officialdom is incapable of keeping witnesses in this case alive long enough to testify, even in a Federal prison cell on 24 hour watch, so who is going to agree to testify at this point?
So.....who’s next in line to be arrested for all the nonsense surrounding Epstein?
He’s dead, case closed?
Well, they've now demonstrated that officialdom is incapable of keeping witnesses in this case alive long enough to testify, even in a Federal prison cell on 24 hour watch, so who is going to agree to testify at this point?
A sensible person would bring in bader and pelosi for an interview...just in case.
"Suicided", didn't take very long did it? Practically proof of guilt either way, as he was escaping from punishment coming or someone silenced him. Arkansas sudden death syndrome is some rough schitt!
If anybody has read what the Lucchese crime family got away with by buying people off, you wouldn't believe it. They essentially had bought off enough people to be able to use JFK airport as their own "mine".
They took anything they wanted out of JFK by hijacking trucks coming out of there. The cops were in on it,...airport security was in on it,...even the truck drivers were in on it.
They have so much power it doesn't matter to them if we know. They can stick it in our face and tell us to FO, and it isn't the Clinton's, either. It's their handlers.
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
Trump’s tweet : “Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen," the tweet read, alongside a photo of Epstein and one of the Clintons. "#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this! RT if you’re not Surprised."
Everyone pretty much saw this coming. It was only a matter of time. Anytime anyone gets to be a real threat to the Clinton Mob, they aren't long for this whirl.
What's the difference between El Chapo and the Clintons? El Chapo got caught.
Originally Posted by SandBilly
At least the FBI is investigating...
As if any of those worthless fahqs have the integrity to find and disclose the truth. At best they will analyze where the holes are in the cover story and patch them up.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
This will save the taxpayers lots a $$$$$$$$..............No trial........
That's narrow thinking. Great if he was just a common criminal. But he wasn't common. He was a high-value source of information that could have taken down a metric-schittload of slimey, corrupt democraps and elite deep-staters. Now that's lost.
This just in, being reported on MSNBC. "In an effort to maintain the appearance of impartiality, senior officials at the Justice Department have reinstated two former FBI agents to run the investigation: Peter Strzok and Andrew McCabe. They will be overseen by Attorney Andrew Weissmann."
As if any of those worthless fahqs have the integrity to find and disclose the truth. At best they will analyze where the holes are in the cover story and patch them up.
This just in, being reported on MSNBC. "In an effort to maintain the appearance of impartiality, senior officials at the Justice Department have reinstated two former FBI agents to run the investigation: Peter Strzok and Andrew McCabe. They will be overseen by Attorney Andrew Weissmann."
You’ve got to be Fuqking kidding me ??? 😡
Strzok and McCabe, The traitorous Bastards should be in PRISON. 😡😡😡
Oh good. Bill Barr is calling for another investigation.
You know what's troubling to me? Bill Barr, an unelected bigwig, holds the keys to investigations that will turn this country upside down and the mainstream media is going to freak the fugg out.
Does he have the balls to lay this entire coup d'état out into the daylight for everybody to see?
Oh good. Bill Barr is calling for another investigation.
You know what's troubling to me? Bill Barr, an unelected bigwig, holds the keys to investigations that will turn this country upside down and the mainstream media is going to freak the fugg out.
Does he have the balls to lay this entire coup d'état out into the daylight for everybody to see?
You are lvMike and you can believe one of the most critical pieces in a global network of child diddling and .gov money/power players who is under a high profile incarceration and suicide watch... simply offs himself....
As if any of those worthless fahqs have the integrity to find and disclose the truth. At best they will analyze where the holes are in the cover story and patch them up.
Isn’t that what I said?
I apologize I repeated yourself.
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by stevelyn
Everyone pretty much saw this coming.
So, where does that lead?
1) The principles (cloud people) are brazen enough to believe they can get away with this w/o consequence.
2) Desperate enough. Get rid of the evidence, consequences be damned.
OR
3) The White Hats are involved - fake suicide and the package of info is safe.
Since there is already a long trail of dead bodies behind the Clinton Mob without justice for any one of them, it means they can pretty much afford to buy the integrity of anyone they wish.
You are lvMike and you can believe one of the most critical pieces in a global network of child diddling and .gov money/power players who is under a high profile incarceration and suicide watch... simply offs himself....
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
“Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre said.
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
“Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre said.
Other than that, You Nailed It!
His initials aren't Dumb Jack Schiett for nothing. He thinks Trump was in on the McDougal and Vince Foster and John Rolls deals.
Another anti gun gun, anti hunting dum [bleep] pedo troll DJS
Trump kicked Epstein out of his resort 20 years ago for his pedo behavior while the Dems continued to visit his island in the Bahamas to engage in sex with children
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
The Metropolitan Correctional Center is most likely accredited by the ACA. The inmate would initially be placed in a cell wearing a suicide smock.
The cell would contain nothing that could be tied off to. Even the screen over the bars has to be of a type it is difficult to lace into.
Two types of watch, constant and close. In constant an officer is looking at him continuously. In close watch the officer looks at him at staggered intervals of no more than 15 minutes.
All he has is that smock and maybe a suicide blanket. You will not turn these into a rope unless you are left alone for an very long time.
Now, in that cell will be a poly-form bed of some kind. On that bed there are rings or bars to attach restraints to. I have seen inmates, after the doctor allowed items like regular clothes, tie off to one side and lay over the other choking themselves out.
Montgomery county jail suicide watch In the tower video monitor from in cell camera. Seperate log entry every 15 mins for them on what they are doing. Roving deputy makes checks every 15 mins Real PITA monitoring em 1st update at briefings is if anyone has been put on suicide watch. Then everyone dreds to find out if assigned to that pod.
Inmate in suicide smock made of pressed paper/ cloth Pressed cloth blanket and mattress. Fed paper bag meals. No wrapped or encased food items. Styrofoam cup to drink from their sink. Roving deputy has to watch em eat meal till done and get the garbage. Fed seperate time from all others Given toliet paper by roving deputies as needed. Showering guarded by same sex deputy at entrance and watched by tower vid monitor.
And this guy kills himself in a fed prison????
What a crock of schitt to be believed............
Also in articles it says his status was downgraded off suicide watch even though "he tried it" several weeks earlier????
One loose end that they never tie up is what exactly happened a few weeks ago. Did he attempt suicide or did someone attack him? What we never hear is what Epstein reported about what happened. Seems like that would be significant. Did he say someone attacked him? Did he refuse to talk about it? Did he imply that he attempted suicide? Nothing. We get zero info on that, as if no one bothered to ask.
Having worked in correctional departments in two different states I can pretty much assure you that a high profile prisoner, especially with a prior suicide "attempt" would be on very strict suicide protocols. Under camera 24/7, safety cell, suicide gown and blanket, no belts, sheets, soft blankets, socks, underwear, or anything that might be used to injure one's self. And they could be even be f[/b]on 5 minute cumulative observations, meaning someone has to physically put eyes on the prisoner every 5 minutes and make a note of it in shift log. Epstein didn't off himself. I am sure of that beyond any shadow of a doubt, regardless of what the ME report and prison reports will bear out.
An informed post, thank you. Some are now saying that he was not on suicide watch, is that feasible?
mike r
Absolutely not. In the three prisons I've worked in, a case like this would have treated with the highest level of security. Every measure and then some would have been taken to assure his safety. As I said I am sure beyond any shadow of a doubt he did not commit suicide. [b]This smacks of corruption to the highest levels in that facility and the state for that matter.
They have so much power it doesn't matter to them if we know. They can stick it in our face and tell us to FO, and it isn't the Clinton's, either. It's their handlers.
This.
I have been waiting to read all the pages here before I said similar.
Many here are calling this Arkancide, or the long arm of the Clintons, etc.
This was not the work of the Clintons, Bill Clinton is small potatoes when it comes to who and what are involved in this.
Those responsible for this go much, much higher than Bill Clinton, or a couple of US politicians.
I think Steve4102 is right. I heard the news and had to but today's NY Post, the conservative tabloid newspaper, to read what they had to say.
According to Lewis Kasman, a mob accountant and friend of the late John Gotti, the jail where Epstein was held was a nest of corruption, and you can get anything you want if you have the money. Kasman said "If he killed himself, someone had to have helped him. There are cameras going 24/7, and they're watching 24/7. "
According to The Post, suicide is rare at the jail, and there has only been one suicide in the last 21 years. A former inmate said that guards "monitored us like lab rats".
So who pulled the strings and had Epstein wacked? I bet they never find out, and simply fire a couple of guards for sloppy work.
"Now that the Fake News has reported Epstein is dead in an attempt to scare away those who were thinking of cooperating, trying to kill him again will be a little more problematic… He can now be listed in a witness protection program or something similar until the apotheosis of the Grand Finale."
" Thank you for your service to our Country, Mr. Jeff Sessions! Your sacrifices will never be forgotten."
I's are dotted and T's are crossed. That's all that counts. You can speculate, accuse, fashion conspiracy theories all you want. You can prove nothing. If he was murdered it was by people who have doctorates in CYA.
I find it funny that some of the people who are the most down in Trump are the biggest contributors to this thread.
If we assume that the people who wanted Epstein dead and who killed are part of the loosely defined nefarious forces of “the swamp”, then just look at what they did. They killed the defendant in the highest profile criminal case in the country while everyone was jokingly predicting that he would be killed. They used their influence to have it done in one of the most secure places imaginable. The circumstances mean that they are either incredibly frantic and desperate, or so secure in their power and position that they don’t care. If it was the first, then they are being pushed hard behind the scenes. If it was the second, then they are incredibly powerful.
It boils down to the fact that either there are huge efforts being pushed by the current administration behind the scenes, or these people are so powerful that they can get to anyone anywhere and Trump is powerless to do anything against them.
In any case, the logical disconnect for a world view that believes there are powerful nefarious forces in control of everything, but then expects one man to clean it up completely in a little more than two years and to be mad at him when he doesn’t, is pretty staggering.
Trump may be president but I don’t think he has that much control over the decades entrenched deep state.
Things like this seem to go on and on, regardless of who’s in the Oval.
There seem to be so many layers of bureaucracy that I’m not sure anyone governs it, it sorta runs itself. Politicians come and go, the deep state is entrenched, a permanent fixture. A force to be dealt with.
Trump may be president but I don’t think he has that much control over the decades entrenched deep state.
Things like this seem to go on and on, regardless of who’s in the Oval.
There seem to be so many layers of bureaucracy that I’m not sure anyone governs it, it sorta runs itself. Politicians come and go, the deep state is entrenched, a permanent fixture. A force to be dealt with.
DF
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.
Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
Drastic action almost on day one of his taking office was needed. After two years, no drastic action has been taken. No mass arrests and special trials for treason. That basically means we're doomed.
"They used their influence to have it done in one of the most secure places imaginable."
Even if it was truly suicide, it seems to have to of had official collusion to allow him to complete the act. This underage girl procurer had the goods on an unbelievable number of untouchable people and would have at some point broken down and spilled the beans. That just could not be allowed. This was turning out to be way worse than the infamous Dreyfus affair in France, and there was no way to cover it up.
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.
Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
I didn't realize bankers and financiers were nefarious people. I assumed they are all on our side.
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.
Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
I didn't realize bankers and financiers were nefarious people. I assumed they are all on our side.
Huh. How weird.
I hope you're joking. Read The Creature From Jekyll Island.
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.
Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
I didn't realize bankers and financiers were nefarious people. I assumed they are all on our side.
Huh. How weird.
I hope you're joking. Read The Creature From Jekyll Island.
I was. I started a thread about bankers a week ago and it was a big yawn here. Most of the people that remembered what bankers did to this country have died, and apparently few are learning about it in th last few decades.
It makes me wonder if there were any young girls on Little Saint James island when he first got arrested. If so what happened to them. It seems to me a guy like that would have some sort of contingency plan for that.
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act. Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
Our freedom to own firearms isn't nearly as important to freedom as the right to own and contract in real money (precious metal). This right was taken away in 1933 and apparently passed muster in the courts. Now the Federal Reserve which isn't Federal at all has a strangle hold on us. I don't understand how this is legal or how someone wasn't hung for treason when it was discovered that the Federal Reserve had issued 3 times the gold certificates over the amount of gold available to redeem them. Now all we have to trade and contract with is debt owed to the big banks. It will not end well.
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act. Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
Our freedom to own firearms isn't nearly as important to freedom as the right to own and contract in real money (precious metal). This right was taken away in 1933 and apparently passed muster in the courts. Now the Federal Reserve which isn't Federal at all has a strangle hold on us. I don't understand how this is legal or how someone wasn't hung for treason when it was discovered that the Federal Reserve had issued 3 times the gold certificates over the amount of gold available to redeem them. Now all we have to trade and contract with is debt owed to the big banks. It will not end well.
Well said. Except, without a real and functional Second Amendment, the Bill of Rights becomes the Bill of Suggestions.
Time for another tragedy to make this all go away. What'll it be this time? Shooting? Explosion? Mass drowning?
Funny. I told the wife this very thing this morning. I wouldn't go anywhere crowded for a couple days. They need to cycle this story off the front page.
The article is moot, as Epstein was NOT on suicide watch.
The same day it came out that he was cooperating so as to get a reduced sentence, he was taken off suicide watch. Convenient.
There are no coincidences.
That said, he was still Not on SW, so the parameters required for SW were not in place, making the article moot.
At least you’re consistent with your a s s holery.
Really you'd have to know when he was removed from that status, or what level he was actually on. If he was on a constant watch in my experience it is most often stepped down to a close watch.
The Medical Examiner completed the autopsy today, but declined to announce their determination. They are putting it off until later. Probably until the Clinton Machine has signed off on it, so no one else connected to the thing turns up dead.
They allowed a private doctor, Michael (((Baden))), to observe.
They will blame the C/O, they always do. They create the conditions where it's impossible to do what they want you to do in the time they want you to do it then blame you when you can't.
He didn't do 1/2 hour rounds. They make it sound like he didn't do any rounds. I've seen them go after an officer when he was late for one round even when the incident happened much later. They just need a fall guy.
The mandatory OT, that's another thing. I did my time until I got enough seniority that I didn't need to do it anymore. Now the millennial come in and they think they should not have to pay those dues. What happens, they pout and quit and now you have a retention problem. So what happens, they start using the entire roster. Now an old fart like me has to pay those dues all over again.
I don’t believe it was suicide but anything short of Epstein being alive somewhere is a disgrace to law enforcement, corrections officers and most importantly OUR COUNTRY! If the “best criminal justice system in the world” can’t keep one important criminal with the dirt on countless high profile world leaders alive while in their custody then they’re completely incompetent.
Funny how Noriega or Gotti or el Chapo get to trial since it benefits the politicos. A massive pedo ring involving the most powerful and influential leaders in the world gets snuffed out in federal “protection” in Manhattan. I can understand this happening in some chithole like Mexico or the Philippines maybe but in the USA? GMAFB
His connections got him turned loose once. Then when the story got too big they couldn't just turn him loose again. So they arranged for him to "commit suicide".
I don't believe he's dead. I believe he's just gone.
His connections got him turned loose once. Then when the story got too big they couldn't just turn him loose again. So they arranged for him to "commit suicide".
I don't believe he's dead. I believe he's just gone.
His connections got him turned loose once. Then when the story got too big they couldn't just turn him loose again. So they arranged for him to "commit suicide".
I don't believe he's dead. I believe he's just gone.
I don’t know what happened or if he’s even dead but I don’t know why anyone would go to the risk or trouble of keeping him alive or whisking him off to Israel when it’s much easier to Arkancide him, guaranteed silence that risks much less.
Bristoe, What makes you think he was taken to Israel?.....or why they’d even go to the trouble when death is permanent?
His connections got him turned loose once. Then when the story got too big they couldn't just turn him loose again. So they arranged for him to "commit suicide".
I don't believe he's dead. I believe he's just gone.
I don’t know what happened or if he’s even dead but I don’t know why anyone would go to the risk or trouble of keeping him alive or whisking him off to Israel when it’s much easier to Arkancide him, guaranteed silence that risks much less.
Bristoe, What makes you think he was taken to Israel?.....or why they’d even go to the trouble when death is permanent?
I think he had a lot of people in high places that owed him a lot of favors. They could have killed him. But it's hard to get more favors if you have a reputation for killing the people who do you favors.
His connections got him turned loose once. Then when the story got too big they couldn't just turn him loose again. So they arranged for him to "commit suicide".
I don't believe he's dead. I believe he's just gone.
I don’t know what happened or if he’s even dead but I don’t know why anyone would go to the risk or trouble of keeping him alive or whisking him off to Israel when it’s much easier to Arkancide him, guaranteed silence that risks much less.
Bristoe, What makes you think he was taken to Israel?.....or why they’d even go to the trouble when death is permanent?
I dont think it would be easy to get a guy off suicide watch and get him killed just after in a secure prison.
Remember the multi hour NYC blackout shortly after he was moved there? Remember the streets around that jail all barricaded during the blackout? Do you not think he could then have been mislocated to a witness protection incarceration?
All I know is that we’re rotting from the inside out. Dead or alive Epstein did what he did because of the evil that runs in the circles of the rich and powerful and their willingness to indulge like heathens without any moral compass.
How does a country hold itself up as the bastion of freedom and democracy while our deep state slowly kills us from within?
It's been going down hill for a lot longer than we have been alive, Ace. You, and the rest of the US need to see this.
It's what Trump is fighting for us, and hot shots are pissing and moaning he hasn't got the job of cleaning 70 years of the worlds corruption cleaned up in 30 months.
Jag, it's not that he hasn't got the job done yet, we get that he has a lot to overcome and has little help.
It's that given prime opportunities he waffles and does nothing. That video of him saying take the guns early and do the due process later is another frustrating example.
Also,...it's very "convenient" that of all the young girls that were groomed by Epstein, the one that is blowing the whistle the loudest and getting all the press is Virginia Roberts Giuffre,..who was recruited by Epstein while he was visiting Trump at Mar-A-Lago.
That's not to say that Trump was complicit. In fact, Virginia Roberts Giuffre has said that Trump wasn't.
But the whole situation was brought to the front in order to cast Trump in a bad light.
It's been going down hill for a lot longer than we have been alive, Ace. You, and the rest of the US need to see this.
It's what Trump is fighting for us, and hot shots are pissing and moaning he hasn't got the job of cleaning 70 years of the worlds corruption cleaned up in 30 months.
Jag is right, it has been going down hill practically from the beginning. Optics seems to be what creates our perception and they the DS know this. It flat out works for them and we fall for it every time. Seeing should not be believing in most cases anymore. To use AceNeights words, we have been rotting from the inside out for a very, very long time. In this country it started in 1788-89 and never stopped. The rot has become over 95% of the body with no end in sight, until recently when a rebellious patriotic group vetted a man to lead them in stopping the rot. Since nothing nor no one in the past could neutralize or stop the rot by conventional means, this group and group leader had a plan that could stop this rotting. Unfortunately the body parts are afraid of it bases on their past perceptions and bases on it being so unconventional. This plan is actually so simple as to be unbelieved, do nothing by force, simply show the body how and what has been rotting it, it's poison (optics) its weakness's (power illusion), and what can overcome it (truth ). The plan is working quite well, the body is actually viewing its healing, but the body wants to speed it up with surgery believing that's the answer, forgetting that the plan is healing the body without reverting to the past conventional way which never worked..............ever. The rot (DS) is pushing for the surgery knowing that once the knife begins to cut out the rot it actually assists in helping it spread by cutting into it. This is what the group and the group leader knew from the beginning, this is why they are not giving in to the body. They may throw the body a few small tokens they surgically removed, knowing it will appease the body but not allow the rot to spread. The slow rolling, know as the healing, will take 4 years and maybe a bit more. When complete, the body will have been the one that actually healed itself, not the group nor the group leader, this is the plan. Using the same optics the rot has been using to take over the body, but this time the optics mirror what the rot has been showing. Let the body see that it is doing the healing, not the group or group leader, they were just the vessel with a plan. When the body see's it can be its own healer, the rot has no power over it, because the body is in unity and greater than any single part. This is its strength and this is the true Plan That Saves The World.
I don’t believe it was suicide but anything short of Epstein being alive somewhere is a disgrace to law enforcement, corrections officers and most importantly OUR COUNTRY! If the “best criminal justice system in the world” can’t keep one important criminal with the dirt on countless high profile world leaders alive while in their custody then they’re completely incompetent.
Funny how Noriega or Gotti or el Chapo get to trial since it benefits the politicos. A massive pedo ring involving the most powerful and influential leaders in the world gets snuffed out in federal “protection” in Manhattan. I can understand this happening in some chithole like Mexico or the Philippines maybe but in the USA? GMAFB
I don’t disagree. That’s the point. Trump is supposed to get rid of a deep state that has been entrenched for at least 75 years in a little more than two and when he doesn’t, he is a dud or complicit?
Try 1895 when J.P. Morgan formed a syndicate to sell U.S. Gold Bonds. That followed in 1913 by the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.
Follow the money, not that the money is the end objective. Money is simply a tool used to achieve the true objective, power. The desire for power is based on nothing more than ego.
Well, maybe in the next 5 1/2 yrs. he can make a dent.
At least he's trying, which is more than previous administrations can say.
Nobody is more disappointed than me about it. But the fact is, Trump's not going to get it done.
I'm not sure whether it's that he never intended to get it done,..or if the power of the deep state is so strong that he can't get it done. I suspect it's the second option mentioned.
Nobody is more disappointed than me about it. But the fact is, Trump's not going to get it done.
I'm not sure whether it's that he never intended to get it done,..or if the power of the deep state is so strong that he can't get it done. I suspect it's the second option mentioned.
The ultimate power to fix things is congress and this country insists on electing 3d rate people. Congress can clean up voting practices, control illegal immigration and all the rest but with the people in there now, nothing will change.
Nobody is more disappointed than me about it. But the fact is, Trump's not going to get it done.
I'm not sure whether it's that he never intended to get it done,..or if the power of the deep state is so strong that he can't get it done. I suspect it's the second option mentioned.
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. As Bristoe has stated, he had been a loyal Mossad asset for many years, and they tend to repay loyalty with loyalty, particularly with regard to fellow Jews.
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. As Bristoe has stated, he had been a loyal Mossad asset for many years, and they tend to repay loyalty with loyalty, particularly with regard to fellow Jews.
Well,...I said that the prosecutor during his first trial, Acosta, was told to back off of him because he was an intelligence asset.
That's what Acosta said, anyway.
In my opinion, he was working for some powerful people. Maybe Mossad,...maybe CIA,...maybe Soros,..
Somebody with enough clout to spring him out of jail,...twice.
Never fear, folks. We will not only have the word of Chief Medical Examiner (((Barbara Sampson))) about the body belonging to Epstein, but the whole process will also be under the careful scrutiny of pathologist (((Michael Baden))), the pathologist on the team that assured us all that the Kennedy Assassination was carried out by a lone gunman. No need for suspicion. He's 85 now, but they called him out of retirement for this important task.
Never fear, folks. We will not only have the word of Chief Medical Examiner (((Barbara Sampson))) about the body belonging to Epstein, but the whole process will also be under the careful scrutiny of pathologist (((Michael Baden))), the pathologist on the team that assured us all that the Kennedy Assassination was carried out by a lone gunman. No need for suspicion. He's 84 now, but they called him out of retirement for this important task.
Just made the news. AG Barr has "transferred" the warden to another federal prison.
Translation: She ought to have to revert to what God put her on earth to do, making pancakes. But that would be racism and we wouldn't want her to lose that fat federal paycheck. So, she can go display her incompetence at another jail.
Just made the news. AG Barr has "transferred" the warden to another federal prison.
Translation: She ought to have to revert to what God put her on earth to do, making pancakes. But that would be racism and we wouldn't want her to lose that fat federal paycheck. So, she can go display her incompetence at another jail.
Or, maybe it was Donald Trump. A "“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
A decade ago, the Donald said Epstein was "a terrific guy"; now maybe, not so much.
Is there any got damned thing that happens on this earth that you retards WON'T blame on Trump?
I didn't think so.
Dumbass.
Don't need to blame Trump for anything - I'm just quoting him.
If you could make mountains out of molehills you wouldn't be child molesters and corksuckers.
What kind of parents raised you?; they were obviously foul-mouth, ignorant individuals. Or, just maybe, did you just naturally inherit ignorant genes from a deviant uncle?
You voted for a lying muzzy corksucker who worked to destroy your country for your stupid pie in the sky Utopia.
You voted for a lying muzzy loving huzzy who sold 20% of our country's uranium for $150 million and paid for a fiction story to steal the votes of millions of your countrymen who voted for Trump by attempting to subvert your country's constitution and you worry about the words I use to describe you.
If the shoe fits wear it you worthless chicken schiett.
Bill Clinton paid millions to NK to help them get nukes and ICBMs and should have been hanged for getting Ron Brown to allow the sale of Bernard Swartzs Orbital Tech info on missile guidance to China.
Your hero the Zero gave $151.8 billion to Iran to help them get nuclear weapons.
You're a dumb fughk of the highest order.
Come on, feed us the lieberal line you and yours have for 50 years, "We dont want your guns, dont be paranoid"
You are a gullible pos who supports those who work for the destruction of this country for the benefit of the NWO who has suckered you into thinking they have the answers.
If you would get your nose out of CNN's ass and look for the truth you would know too many have said Trump had nothing to do with pedophilia of Orgy Is.
Yet, stupid you are grabbing the same dead straws CNN fed you about Russian collusion and here you are, playing that stupid broken record again without having learned a thing and trying to feed us your dreams as fact.
You will believe what you wish rather than what the evidence points to because you're too stupid to know the truth when it hits you in the face.
You brag of making money while trying to flush the constitution of your country, assured you will benefit more in your dreamed of Utopia.
Jeffrey Epstein’s autopsy determined the convicted pedophile suffered multiple broken neck bones, according to a report.
One of Epstein’s breaks was to the hyoid bone, an injury that experts told the Washington Post is more common in homicide victims.
The discoveries were disclosed to the paper by two people familiar with the findings of the autopsy, which was completed on Sunday, but warranted more information by the Medical Examiner’s Office before they make a final cause of death ruling.
If you could make mountains out of molehills you wouldn't be child molesters and corksuckers.
What kind of parents raised you?; they were obviously foul-mouth, ignorant individuals. Or, just maybe, did you just naturally inherit ignorant genes from a deviant uncle?
TDS is eating away at you DJS, be careful it is possible to die from.........
Jeffrey Epstein’s autopsy determined the convicted pedophile suffered multiple broken neck bones, according to a report.
One of Epstein’s breaks was to the hyoid bone, an injury that experts told the Washington Post is more common in homicide victims.
The discoveries were disclosed to the paper by two people familiar with the findings of the autopsy, which was completed on Sunday, but warranted more information by the Medical Examiner’s Office before they make a final cause of death ruling.
Pretty hard to break your own neck absent some kind of gallows set up like this, which he didn't have any opportunity to arrange.
Two broken neck bones. One is the hyoid. The hyoid is a little bitty bone in the voice box. It is commonly broken in cases of manual strangulation, but, rarely broken in the case of strangulation hanging from a low height, such as from a door knob.
The only other neck bones I know of are the cervical vertebrae. These bones are real big and hard to break. Cervical vertebrae are broken in an execution hanging, the executioner knows just how far to drop the prisoner before the rope catches, thus to break the cervical vertebrae. Depending on the weight of the prisoner, he might drop 3 feet, maybe 4 feet, hangmen have a chart that tells them how far to drop the prisoner, in order to fracture the cervical vertebrae. This causes instant paralysis and unconsciousness.
However, there is nothing in the federal jail cell high enough, from which to tie a rope, to provide enough drop to fracture a cervical vertebrae. And there isn't any rope in a federal jail cell. At least, there is not supposed to be.
So, how did Mr. Epstein suffer a fractured cervical vertebrae?