It'll never happen. There's a proposal to join much of eastern and SW Oregon along with a chunk of northern CA to Idaho to form Greater Idaho. People in OR are sick of being run by raving liberal maniacs. To do it would require approval by the legislatures of each state plus congress. It would mean OR losing at least maybe 2 or 3 seats in congress and an equal number of EC votes that would change from blue to red. Potlandia would never do that. GREATER IDAHO

Weed is illegal in ID and is likely to stay that way unless federal law changes. All the heads in SW OR would go crazy.

I gotta go torch a doob and think about it man.

The State of Jefferson has a better chance than that idea.

Geno

And regarding the proposed boundaries, why stop at OR, why not include WA east of the Cascade Crest? It would increase the conservative population to help counteract Boise growth.

Geno

There goes the neighborhood!

Just like what the Jefferson Staters have been fighting since 1947. Central and southern California would be financially devastated by the chokehold of agricultural water that comes from Jefferson State. It would make the destruction of Owens Valley by Los Angeles water authority look like a church picnic. Water war on a grand scale. There is a legal process to statehood, but justice has been denied. The current states won't allow it, the Feds won't allow it...but we can't just quit fighting. Most of our legal actions were struck down in the 9th circuit court of appeals, maybe Trump can change the bias of the court.

Like said above, ain't happening. Neither of 'em.

Maybe to about Burns they can keep the rest of Oregon and Ca

I'd go no further west than the Oregon Cascades.

Just east of Bend

Why ? It would just eventually get infected by the leftists.

I think Idaho would be the loser in that scenario. Just like the latest scheme to carve Cali up into smaller states. It looked to me like each one would still be ruled by a liberal enclave that would outvote the rest of the state and ultimately be detrimental to the rest of the states as well. The rural part of Cali is just fooked. Sorry.

"IF" they would move the borders to the Eugene,Or. south city limits, I would be THRILLED with the idea of being in the new state!

Hate to admit it, but I have a Eugene address, although I am 7 miles southwest of of Eugene.

Virgil B.

I wouldn't care to see this proposal....heard some guy pitching it on the radio the other morning..

My counter proposal is to make a new state that consists of the 4 major cities on the West Coast...
Potlandia, Seattle, San Fran and L.A...

Getting rid of Potlandia would solve A LOT of Oregon's Political problems...

Getting rid of Seattle would solve a lot of Washington's

and getting Rid of the Bay Area and greater L.A. would get rid of a lot of CA's political problems..

or the other way would be in elections give each entire county ONE vote. who ever the winner is for that county, and then total up the votes for the winner of the election state wide... Oregon has 36 counties.. six went for the democRAT candidate for governor last time... 30 didn't....

on the last national election, of a little over 3100 counties in the entire USA, Trump carried a little over 3000 of them...
small urban geography carries leftist politics for the entire nation....its the tail wagging the dog... and leftists seem to hate the nation they live in....

I always get a kick out of the "new state" schemes. Seems like Idaho is always involved one way or another.

Reality is we can't even get states to agree to end daylight savings time much less reorganize boundaries, state names, governments, laws, etc... Good grief, what a political cluster it would making a new state it would be if it ever were to become a reality, and it won't.

Idaho would be nuts to take in Josephine County, OR. Just a couple years ago they reduced the sheriff's dept from 20 deputies to 2 and crime shot up 80%. From what I've read, i's become a drug and crime mecca. This proposal would take in a large share of OR's weed growing area. We don't need that.

If I wanted to live in Idaho, I'd move there. Actually looked at it back in 2012/2013 and as soon as I looked at wages, it was soon forgotten. Not sure why some people think everyone is clamoring to get there.

A lot of people must be clamoring to get here. It's rated as the fastest growing state in the union right now, mostly in the Boise area. Check housing prices in Ada and Canyon counties. They've gone totally nuts. People are buying houses 50 miles away and commuting because they can't afford Boise.

Seafire, you forgot Sacramento. Now there's a toilet that needs a serious flushing.

Good luck with all the Californian's clamoring to get there.

Extend that southern border of Idaho into Nevada as far south as Ely.


mike r

You'd have to jog it a bit to exclude Reno.

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Democraps looking to take over another state, are invading Idaho. Just like they did Oregon and Washington. Look out Idaho!

I would be for it.

Something has got to give here in Northern California.

I love Oregon and Washington but politics have ruined me as I get older.

I think SoCal gets more water form the Eastern Sierra and the Colorado River doesn't it?

The delta....
I may be wrong

You're not wrong in that it gets NorCal water. Not sure if it's more or less than the LA Water System or the Colorado Aqueduct though:

https://www.watereducation.org/aquapedia/california-aqueduct




A lot of the NorCal water, including water that is suppose to flow down the Trinity River to the Pacific by way of the Klamath, goes to support farming in the Central Valley. It's always a good thing to move water (and organisms?) from one watershed to a completely different one, right?

Geno

fester,

Unfortunately for us, nothing is likely to give here in NorCal............any more than it has in Northern NY, parts of NJ, Western MA, and to some extent PA.


Rural areas just have less voice, the nature of the beast as it is.

Geno

Yeah, your right, unfortunately.

It's great if you are selling...Houses that sold for $130K 5 years ago are going for $275k now...Ours will be hitting the market March 15...

I was in a training class last week and a guy was in charge of sending water to LA(Cali)
He told me that if it wasn’t for them pulling river water the bay would turn into a fresh water lake
and if they didn’t the rivers would be brackish.......

Rock Chuck: I wish those folks well in the attempt at meaningful. pro-America, pro-capitalist societies/state!
But alas it ain't never gonna happen - the demonrats know this would be the death knell of their pro-communist, pro-socialsist, anti-American, kalifornicationkopianing of the United States of America.
And the demonrats would obstruct and fight at every turn, to the end.
Again I wish those involved the best of luck.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

My 1st words in my OP were 'It'll never happen'. The people in Salem would never vote to give up all that tax money, seats in the house, and EC votes.

If there was an increase in available representatives somehow, the left would support the breakup then immediately move to take over the new districts.

Well, that's an interesting take on things, but in a way he's "right", sort of. It's the way it was before they started sending Sacramento and San Joaquin water south. The Bay/Delta was fresher, by a little, but the lower rivers were actually "fresher" too and less brackish as there was more water going down them. And more salmon going up them too!

And it's had quite an effect on certain species there too. Oh well, Angelinos, and San Diegans need water too. And we all like lettuce, grapes, oranges, and the Chinese and us like almonds.................a lot!

Geno

Dang, I hope if this happens that Boise doesn't become a liberal chit hole haven.......

Boise is already pretty liberal...

Ada County (Boise) was 48% for Trump last election, 39% Clinton. There were some blue precincts but overall they're still red. It's getting more liberal all the time but it's not even close to Potland or Seattle.

Ada county voted Democrat in the last gubernatorial election and some of what our newly elected republican governor has said or done since he was elected causes one to wonder if isn't trying to appease them

you'd be picking up a lot of tweakers, not sure if the Shakespeare Festival would be worth it.

Pretty much the definition of an estuary, where salt and fresh water move back and forth and mix depending on the tides and the inflows. low water years, the salt used to move upstream, highwater years the fresh would push downstream. 1862 was probably freshwater all the way out to the Farallon islands!



the second part is about the water used for irrigation along the San Joaquin, the irrigation returns would be worse if not for the extra water from the north.

I like Trumps idea.

WE BUY GREENLAND.

Nope. A full 75% of water falls north of Sac. and almost 75% is used below Sac of tomatoes. They'll be in full panic mode. All of the State of Jefferson meetings I attended addressed this and a bunch of federal rights kinda intercede a full takeover of water rights. Bummer.

yeah, maybe not.

But I'd not have to deal with two different divisions of our insurance company because Ashland is in a different state!

Geno

I say we annex Mexico and Canada too. Maybe all the way to that little canal too.

Straighten out the political system, show them how real capitalism works, use up all their resources too (F China!), have a source of American cheap labor and lots of Canadian lumber..............


what could go wrong?


Geno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California

Saca Potatoes would be helpless if the Bay Area and So Cal were gone...I'm sure most of the liberals would leave
over that alone...

JoCo's Reputation elsewhere doesn't take in a lot of real world facts..

it has a low population, and even tho the county has a lot of dope growing here.. and legalizing it, didn't necessarily increase it dramatically.. so that considered, stats are more skewed than one would think.. they might seem like a large percentage of the population.. but when you look at it, its not that big of a number as it would be elsewhere... like 20% of 5 is only one...not a big number...

Crime has risen here dramatically.. but its stupid piddly crap... instead of blaming it on JoCo, one can thank Salem and Kate Brown and her democRAT minions for that... yeah, you have a lot of unemployed bums here, and welfare abusers who don't want to work.. but Salem legalizing drugs, not enforcing laws, pushing catch and release, handicapping the LEOs statewide, JoCo is just more fertile for it to look worse....there are a lot of retirees in the county population.. and most of those are CA Transplants..
most think the crime rate is low in JoCo, compared to where they came from down in Ca...

and as I said... most 'criminals' in JoCo are far from the brightest crayon in the box, or the smartest tool in the shed.....so most of it is all petty stuff.... snatch and grab... shoplifting, illegal dope grows.. etc..

"Statistics" don't always tell the full picture...

and when the police force ( County Sheriff's Office) the reduction was 90 officers down to 2... not just 20 officers let go..
that happened because under Obama, the funds that the Sheriff's Office relied upon for 50 plus years... Funds from the O & C lands ( Oregon and California Lands), where the Federal Government gave money back to the local towns and counties for timber cut on Federal Lands , which was relied upon for over 50 yrs.. Obama let the Federal Government keep all of that money, and to hell with the local counties and towns....

but they still pour money into programs that make being a transient is real lucrative for them....and that is a big source of the big 'crime spree".....

JoCo is a snapshot of what the leftist in the nation, if they get in charge, will turn rural America into... just as their policies have turned San Fran, Potlandia and Seattle into glimpses of the third world.. in the middle of the richest country on the planet...

and yeah, I know about JoCo first hand since I have lived here for the last 25 years....

How about we just discount and remove the representatives due to illegals numbers?

No thanks, was thinking about lopping off Ada County as it is.....................