If others out there are hoping Barrett produces this rifle in .223 Remington? I'm really enjoying my .308 Win and would really like to own one in .223 Rem too. Fingers crossed and for you lefties as well.

Yeah, twisted fast and the mag box left with a lot of room.

what does your Barrett Fieldcraft in .308 weigh? how does it shoot?

I am thinking of buying one in .243 but have not seen any reviews on the short actions...

Like maybe in a micro action?

Sweet! Hopefully in 222RM.

Please make one in 6x45 for those of us that can’t hunt deer with a 223.

Just for the record ..... I never spilled the beans!

Son of a...........

I like!
Hope it has ~ 2.5" of magazine length?

Also, please screw some together with #2 contours. Same goes for the .473" short action Fieldcrafts.

Smart move by Barrett. But, as a left handed shooter, I'm thinking this adds years to the wait for a LH Fieldcraft, if they show up at all.
Steve

No, you didn’t!

Cool.

Hats off to Ronnie Barrett, and all those associated.

This

That micro actioned rifle looks to have a deep mag well.....Should hold 5 down in a 6.5 Grendel.
And weight less than 5 lbs...

I might have just found an itch...

Screw a micro action! Lets see a real man's Magnum action......Lol......Hb

Uh oh....

JB reviewed a .243 in the November issue of "Rifle". Very nice indeed.

I want one, but the Kimber Hunter is more in line with my "budget"(!). My son just bought one of those in 6.5 and it's much nicer than I expected. I doubt that the twist in a .243 would be 1-8 thogh, given Kimber's past record.

what do the special markings on the 223 rifle represent.....
i think a magnum is on the way also with the little bit of info I saw on the talley site

My guess....

http://www.federalpremium.com/224-valkyrie/

Tennessee,

6.5 Grendel, 18", Threaded!

Saving up





Pappy,

Just recently saw that Kimber is chambering the Montana in 22-250...

Went to their website and sure enough 1-14 twist

Jerry

Gay. Didn't realize that rifle was a 224 Valkyrie when I posted last night.

Just make it in a 223.

Since Barrett already has the 22-250 in a Fieldcraft, What's the point in chambering for the Valkyrie.....other than selling rifles to people who don't know better?

Last time I checked there wasn’t any 22-250 factory ammo loaded with high BC bullets.

Oh good. I wonder when they will make good on their two year old left hand promise?

Try reloading... plenty of high BC bullets

Jerry

Billy,

A 223 is coming. There will be a few other cartridges in the micro's as well. I'm excited about the micro actions. They should be some fun little guns.

I'm with you on the 22-250. Instead of reinventing the wheel, all the manufactures could have just twisted the 22-250 faster. Most average rifle shooters don't know the twist in their current rifles. Why would they care if its faster? And before anybody says anything, I get excellent accuracy with 40 grain bullets in 8" twist 22-250's (and 223's for that matter). And I also know there were some issues with bullets that had thin jackets (think Hornady SPX)....especially when fired through 3 groove barrels.

Any other new chamberings in the standard fieldcraft you can tell us about SAS?

I don't know of any at the moment.

I was a tad hesitant to comment about the 223 (or 5.56) in the micro actions. They posted the picture of the micro, so I thought "what the heck!"

Where do I send my money and how soon can I get this?

Very nice!!! Can't wait.

Someone more than me in the know,please explain the excitement over this when there was already a 22-250. I would love to hear why it is a lot better,and what it is a lot better at.

So 224 Valkyrie and .223 Win for sure... and maybe 6.8 SPC, 204 Ruger, 222Rem?

I was serious about the 222RM, but have low to no expectations. Although, a FC Micro has all the makings to be a 21st century VIXEN.

The same reason for the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 260 Rem.

The Valkyrie is short enough to fit in an AR magazine. That's what it offers different than a 22-250. But it is still longer-cased than it ought to be for sleek bullets.

Hopefully, Barrett will get on board with the Grendels in 22, 6, and 6.5. That's where the real goodness lay.

Any chance we could get mag box dimensions?

Nothing against the Valkyrie, but that action for a fast twisted .223 is my interest.....assuming there is at least 2.5" in the mag box.

Talley has bases listed for the "Micro" action already.

https://www.eurooptic.com/Talley-Picatinny-Base-Barrett-Fieldcraft-Micro-P00252768.aspx

What does ARG stand for?

Advanced Research Group.

It is the name of the team that researches new concepts and processes. Along the way, they create special builds for projects like this one for Federal’s new cartridge launch.

Think of it like “Custom Shop” or “Performance Center”

Tennessee,
Got any teaser pics of that new magnum fieldcraft tally has lightweights listed for?
😉

Ah, so it’s Barrett for “custom shop”, thank you.

Hopefully they’re working on something with SAS in a brown stock with a red pad.

Fug yesssss.... Where do I send money???

Case of 224 Valkyrie ammo, dies, and rings ordered. Just need the damn rifle... 👌

The Valkyrie might be a "one off" made up special for Federal.

Make sure that the production 223 micro action has a 7" twist barrel please.

That's what the AR's are for.

Can't say about when but you won't send money to a better place than Whittacker guns in Owensboro KY. Shortactionsmoker that's posting in this thread runs it.

I think there are several people waiting to see what Barrett has in the works. Any news from SHOT?

This!

A new micro action, but no LH. Bummer. I can't imagine Barret would sell more 223s than LHs?

I'd guess they will sell a lot more right handed .223's than they would all calibers combined on LH models. I wish they'd do left hand models as well since all 3 of my kids are left eye dominant but from a business standpoint I'm guessing they are making the smart $ move.

You may well be right. I'm sure Barret knows their business, while I'm just guessing and definitely biased. 😉

A FC costs ~$2450 up here. I'd buy a LH FC 223 in a heartbeat, but I do think the guys who'll drop that kinda money a 223 are few and far between.

That's my opinion as well.

I'm left handed and I'd buy a right hand Barrett 223 long before I'd buy any sort of left hand Barrett.

And then lefties wonder why there aren't more left hand guns, smh.

Exactly.

I sure don't expect a company to design and manufacture a rifle which only 10% of the population will potentially buy, even if they are the whiniest 10% of the population.

No sense in whining about it, especially since a right handed gun works just fine for a lefty. Operating off a shot timer, I'm not enough faster with a left handed rifle to matter, and if the gun has a catastrophic failure, one is about as about as the other.

Maybe so,but I thought they promised left hand models. They never should have said a thing about it if it wasn't something in the works within a reasonable amount of time.

They make 1-9" 25-06.How about a 250-3000? Told them I'd pay for the reamer,no e-mail reply. Called Savage and they would gladly make a lightweight hunter in 250 special order.Now that's a custom shop.

That’s the real issue.

Meh...

Yes that's the problem here, they promised something and then went back on it. As for the 10% of the population being lefties (and I believe it's higher than that) Every gun manufacturer offers more than 10 different variations on a gun so it's not a stretch for each of them to offer one left hand model.

Not to mention that RH guys have several options in the FC category, but if Barrett made a LH action, it'd be the only game in town for a high-end, lightweight rifle for lefties. A higher percentage of lefties would be buying than righties, I'm guessing...

Well then maybe they should make a bunch of LH guns for all the right hand shooters? It would work just as well.

NULA builds high end lightweight LH rifles, so lefties aren't exactly left out in the cold - they're just lacking in options for an "upper level lightweight production rifle".

I suppose Barrett would build some lefties if you guys were to front the large chunk of money it would take to build an entirely new action. I suspect their market research guys looked at the LH option and decided it wouldn't pay for itself anytime soon, especially when they're just getting ramped up with RH options.

I think Darrik (or someone) mentioned this before - the best way to get Barrett to build LH guns is to buy RH guns now, so Barrett will sell enough to make a great profit and offer other options.

Yeah, good plan. They might even sell a couple hundred of them before going bankrupt.

So, I saw the .224 Valkyrie on Youtube at the Shot Show, but no mention of the micro action or other chamberings like the .223 Rem in the Fieldcraft. Has anyone seen or heard any further information?

For a site with so many members attending the show, you would think we’d have an update.

Went to the Barrett booth. They are moving forward with the field craft. Most of the ones they sell are in 6.5 Creedmoor. I think they sell all of those they can make!

Probably crashing in their hotel room after the show... It’s a big busy place

Looks like a 6.8 SPC is coming too. Would make an excellent low recoil deer rifle here in the east.

There will be no LH Barrett Fieldcraft rifles built. I learned this today here at SCI. The decision was just recently made and I'm led to believe it was in the past 2 weeks. This disappoints me terribly. Barrett spokesperson said their market research showed that 5% of the market would buy a LH rifle and it just will not provide them with the return they need.
Dammit.

Well I am not even a lefty when it comes to shooting but I still think that sucks!!! And kinda shady given what they eluded to previously.

The LH guys who are buying right hand guns do have an effect it turns out. I'll buy a Tikka and it will be every bit as accurate or better plus will be about 2 1/2 times cheaper.

I spent more than a little time with them last week at SHOT talking about all sorts of issues... They realize there is little market in LH... their guns do not just get chambered in whatever happens to get ordered. Every gun is tested and must prove worthy. They know exactly what it costs to ready a new cartridge for market. They realize the low numbers of guns in any given cartridge in LH will not cover the cost of building a rifle to their standards.


It sucks, but they know the numbers.

That bites. But I get it. Woulda been nice if they never listed them though.

Thanks for the info, OSU.

Barrett should make one LH model because they said they would.It's important to keep your word regardless of what it costs you.

Just make one LH model in one caliber. They should make their money back on just one. Perhaps in the 6.5 Creedmoor.

I personally think they are miscalculating the demand that there would be for a LH FC. Even with a very limited line. But it's their business and their decision.

I agree with this. My mouth has cost me a bit of money at work over the last 30 years. But if you say something is going to happen, then come hell, high water, or perhaps a loss of money, nothing should get in the way. Make one run of 200 short action lefties and walk away if you can't make money on them.

I'd like to see a LH FC, I'd buy one for my 3 left eye dominant kids. ...butI can certainly understand from a business standpoint. It's not just putting the bolt on the other side, it's a complete change to production including the stock. Time spent making the left hand rifles that "might" sell to 5% of the market is not only losing money there because they won't make enough to pay for making those rifles, it's also losing all of the $ that could have been made making rifles for the 95% that are buying all the 6.5's that come off the line....that is assuming that right hand production would have to be stopped for the left hand production.

Amazing how many people want to risk other people's money on their notions. How many semi-custom makers have gone belly-up in the last few years because of poor business decisions?

Buy something else.

To me,it would be about keeping my word,even if it cost me money personally. I guess a man's word doesn't mean anything in the business world though.

Didn't see the "promise" myself, so can't comment on how definite it was, but I can't blame any business that finds it can't follow through on a planned product if the numbers don't add up. They also have a responsibility to their ownership, employees, and suppliers to remain solvent.

As suggested above, maybe a deep-pocketed wholesaler or dealer can pony up for a run of say, left-handed 6.5s that would ensure they wouldn't lose money. I expect, however, that even then there'd be complaints about the lack of cartridge options.😛

I understand your point and would also like to know exactly who said exactly what about the left hand models. At the same time though,a business can't make promises and just decide later that the promise doesn't work for them financially. Suppose scope manufacturers operated that way. You bought a super XYZ that had a no questions asked lifetime warranty but 2 years later the company decided that the lifetime warranty didn't work for them and now your warranty is only good for 90 days. My point is that your word has to mean something,and all decisions can't always be about the bottom dollar.

That said,I do not know exactly who promised a left hand model at Barrett. I don't personally need a left hand model and I still wish Barrett success with the Fieldcraft.

Your scope analogy is an altogether different scenerio. If Barrett had taken orders for leftys, I'd say they had an obligation to follow through. Trade show opinings or notions expressed in passing aren't a committment.

Been disappointed myself by promises made by companies, mostly in electronics and software, so I know the bitter taste it leaves.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11925156/1

Bought a LH Forbes rifle very impressed with it, and was thrilled to hear that Barret bought the remaining Forbes and was going to build a LH
version in 6.5 Cr Moor. Have been waiting and communicating with Forbes and suppliers to see when it would be available, been promised it since late 2016 or early 2017 as I recall.

Link to old thread the LH rifle was in initial catalog , called and was supposed to be built in 17. So very disappointing to have been promised
a LH Barrett Fieldcraft several times and then changed there mind. Would have better off not to have said they were going to build it. Life is full of disappointments.

With a me LH and one serious incident involving eye injury, RH rifle I choose to shoot LH rifles for safety.

You seem to keep missing the point. I'm not talking about legal or written obligations.

So a possible employee on an internet forum said Barrett would make LH offerings. Barrett had LH part numbers listed on their site for a little while when first introduced, before ANY of the rifles had even shipped. Also, some slick-haired, polo shirt wearing used car salesman type at SHOT Show last year may have offered up LH models. Those seems to be the extent of the “promises”.

That's huge disappointment. Barretts gone back on their word.

Winchester said in 2012 they should have left handed rifles in about 5 years.

Kimber won't make anything left handed.

It's definitely a big disappointment being a left handed rifle looney.

I think I'll try and get a LH mrc x2 before they decide to stop making lefties.

Going to have to see if the new MRC X-3 just announced will eventually be offered in a left hand. Supposed to be 2 pounds lighter than the X-2

http://www.gunsandammo.com/shot-show/9-new-long-range-hunting-rifles-for-2018/

Good to support makers that actually make stuff for us.

I don't know who made the promises. I'm only saying that no promises should have been made,and if they were made by anyone accountable,then they should be accountable to those promises.

Me either.

find it odd that barrett cant make numbers on it but Melvin Forbes could justify it and his rifle was more expensive leading to fewer sales in my mind....

Barrett has run the numbers and based on their experience with RH choices they know what it costs just to change cartridge options. There is not enough money in a LH model to cover costs and the price would have to be much higher and that would become the big beef.

Government tends to spend bad money just because the project was planned long ahead of time, regardless how things change and the finances shrink. Businesses cannot afford to be stupid.

Selfishly I hope they chose to not do left hand to offer more right hand options like WSMs and PRC, and SAUM and such

Don't hold your breath for the fat ones. Like the Kimbers, they'd likely have to beef up the receiver for those. Like the leftys, probably not enough potential sales to justify the investment.

How many guys want a 5lb .300?

They lied to me on more than one occasion about this. They also listed it on their website. Lying is lying regardless, but the gun industry has been misleading the LH buying market for years.

I have a video here somewhere of Ronnie Barrett saying “it’s never wrong to do the right thing”. Laughing. Well I guess that depends apparently on what that right thing is.

Here it is. Laughing.

https://youtu.be/GrjBrQ_2bRU

"LYING"? This escalated quickly. Thats a bold word. Will there be a retraction and apology if a left handed Fieldcraft hits the market in a few months?

When a company rep, whoever that may be, is passionate about what they do and lets prematurely slip some info about a project they are excited about, that is not "lying" and it is not a "promise".

Im sorry you are so upset, but you will have to wait for a LH Fieldcraft, and a magnum, and a brown stock, and a 223 AI and so on. Good people are doing the best they can.

Does Kimber make a 5# 300 WSM?
I can't see a Barrett short mag. action weighing any less than a Kimber..

Laughing! They listed a LH option on there website. I have spoken with Barrett about it. It will be available before x. X arrives. Sorry, it will be available before x. Shall I go on? If you don’t like lying then maybe completely misleading would be a better term.

And this is where the fight started..

What is the truth then?

You really need to get out more if this puts you in a hissy fit..

I’m just telling you how it is. I am always intrigued by right handed shooters telling left handed shooters how it is though.

Left handers are supposedly the largest un-represented minority in the world. Just like a number of other minorities, left handers are sometimes super whiney about how tough they have it and how the world is out to get them.

When the day comes that lefties gain enough power to remove this blatant prejudice, we’ll all have to switch to ambidextrous drinking fountains, and all new vehicles will have to come with a right hand drive option, so lefties are able to shift gears without feeling marginalized. We’ll have to change all threads to “lefty tighty, righty loosy” just to be safe, as we dont want to offend. And you can be sure all rifle companies will have to make an equal number of lefty options as righty, because heaven forbid a lefty would have to reach over the rifle or back with their right hand to operate a bolt. That would be discriminatory and a blatant example of handism (like racism but the bias is towards which hand a person uses).

Left Power!

Bhaha that was awesome!!! Well done PG!!

So, any further word on the .223 Rem?

Right after the LH models...

I'm just amazed by the fact that I have had an awesome semi-custom LEFT HANDED rifle for sale on the classifieds for oh, forever, and it doesn't seem that there are any left handed takers....

It is what it is, my son may eventually want it back someday.

So, how do we describe the Fieldcraft, high-end production rifles? Can't really call them semi-custom since there's no input (only output of cash) from the buyer.

Hold on guys. Barrett is a good company that is not able to do what they said they would do. That happens. I don't like it but its up to the company leadership team to make decisions. I personally believe they have misjudged this LH market but they don't listen to internet talkers. I know two other people who told Barrett we would buy 3 rifles each right now and would write checks for them. My only real concern is they made a strategic decision on LH guns based on market research that could have possibly been flawed.

Does it weigh 5 pounds? 😉

Tennessee, thanks for your comments and giving us a glimpse 'behind the scenes'.

x2

In the end Barrett has to make decisions that will keep them profitable and viable. If it means no LH FC, so be it. Disappointing, but understandable.

Regarding the 223 action, Barrett introduced the 224 Valkarie earlier this year and, according to a person in their booth at SCI, we should expect the 223 to follow along. No timetable was given but I was lead to believe it would be sooner, rather than later.

I just received mine in 6.5 and it feels great in my hands, smooth bolt and balances well. Now I just need to decide on a scope. Anyone know who sells a bore guide that will fit?

Possum Hollow makes a bore guide

I have a Swarovski z3 3-9x36 on my 7-08. It doesn't change the balance at all and works really well with the low mounts. When I first bought it, I was running an older Meopta I had laying around and the weight didn't feel right. I have never been concerned with a few ounces in optics, but with the Barrett, the weight made a difference in feel. I imagine the lighter Leupolds would work just as well.

Thanks - I had looked on their site and it wasn’t listed on the chart. I’ll give them a call on Monday.

Thank you

FYI - it looks like Barrett updated the action to only have 2 screws now. The one I just received only has two screws from the stock into the action unlike all the ones I’ve seen with three. The screw directly in front of the trigger guard is now gone. For Better or worse...

Look inside the stock.

Did they switch the two remaining exposed action screws to the same size? The three different size thing was pretty silly.

Still different sizes.

I just purchased a Fieldcraft in 6.5 x 55 and am anxiously awaiting it's delivery. I purchased a Swarovski Z3 3-10X42 to put on top of it. I'm giddy with excitement.

Hey.

Lefty.

Just buy a European rig (or a USPS truck) and tone down your whine.
The world really does hate you....btw.

Slave

P.S. Good shít.
I laughed.

Filed my taxes on the 1st, and immediately put a 6mm Creedmoor on layaway.

I figure the price is about the same as a Montana, after the rebarrel job many do.😜

So, what you are saying, is that Leftuality is an alternate lifestyle?

Not that there's anything wrong with that......

I don't think I've ever wrote this before- but your posts literally come off as whining. You're so upset that someone said they plan to make left hand rifles, and then when they realize how absolutely minuscule that market is- you're incessantly chasing them saying they "lied"? Are you actually an adult male?



Since a few people don't seem to get it- the FACT is that left hand rifles don't sell. Like so bad that major manufacturers barely break even. Small manufacturers lose money building them. You guys can be pissed- all 7 of you that actually would spend the money- but unfortunately it is not a smart financial decision to spend a lot of money to produce something that is the smallest market segment that doesn't actually follow through with purchasing that they say they do.

Since a few people don't seem to get it- the FACT is that left hand rifles don't sell. Like so bad that major manufacturers barely break even. Small manufacturers lose money building them. You guys can be pissed- all 7 of you that actually would spend the money- but unfortunately it is not a smart financial decision to spend a lot of money to produce something that is the smallest market segment that doesn't actually follow through with purchasing that they say they do.

A good, practical illustration of that is that despite the tremendous popularity of ARs now, LH models are pretty scarce, if indeed there are any at present. EDIT: just checked quickly and found a few, but still think it's a fair point, especially considering the much smaller market for $1700 bolt rifles.

One of the big jobbers or wholesalers could easily make it worth while for Barrett to crank out LH versions by contracting for a large order. Since that hasn't happened, I assume they don't see a market either.

What about those who aren't actually left handed but identify as such?

I believe my left-arm ranks right up there with Clayton Kershaw's. Those of you who doubt me are narrow-minded, mysoginist, and racist.

That would make you ambi-curious.

Not to mention delusional.

You are right, they are new to the gun industry and didn’t know the market very well. Laughing.

Melvin Forbes has successfully done it for over 30 years. And he did it before CNC programming.

Perfect. There is your answer - buy one from Melvin!

Custom guns, at custom prices (twice the price), and sold direct, not retail. Hardly the same business model. $100 more for LH.

Go for it.

Has anyone heard any updates?

Any chance barrett makes a micro action in 6.5 grendel?

Still waiting patiently on a .223 FC.

I'd rather a 224 Grendel in 7" RPM.................

SHOT Show is just around the corner fellas.....

I hope to hell the do a run of ten lefties and auction them on Gunbroker.

Nope..............

You get dumber by the minute.....

Pardon my shooting it all and then some.

Hint...................

We talking straight killin, or lobbing shiit that don't matter???

The only thing you "shoot",is your mouth.

Oooopsie!..............

Oh, I beg to differ, and you know better..... grin

Feel free to wax eloquent on rifle mechanics.

LAUGHING!....................

HUNTING RIFLES dumbfuuck...... hint

Oooopsie.

I've a "few".

LAUGHING!................

Blow the dust off them and get your fat ass some exercises. Hint.

Any worth a fuuck? Or they all got lights attached to the scope???

I still dig the pic this year of a pard with 2 bucks, heads cut off, his head cut outta the pic too..... weird for a photographer such as yourself..... hint

She’s a poacher then photographer. 🤜🏻

That'd be a sight to see......keep it simple and just chamber in .270

I'll be visiting with the boys from TN at SHOT.

Count me as another guy hoping for a .223 Rem. My buddy has a NULA .284 and a Forbes .260 Rem and I love those guns. If I could have bought a Forbes in .223 I would have bought that instead of my Kimber Montana. I like the stock and safety much better on the Forbes. Put me in for a .223 with a black Ceracote finish that doesn't weigh any more than my Montana. I would also highly consider a .204 Ruger as well.

rumor Barrett will announce the Fieldcraft in .224 Valkyrie at SHOT.

a .223 7 twist would be great. Their quick twist .22-250 would be on my short list but I'm looking for a P dog set up and the thin barrel scares me off.

Can we compromise with an 8 twist?

I can go ahead and shut down the rumor of 224 Valkyrie at 2018 SHOT. A "one-off" was shown at 2017 SHOT but there has been no real demand for it.

The 223/5.56 7 twist on the other hand, Q1 2019...

A 223 on the current aciton or a Chipmunk?

I'll be happy with a .223 on either the current action or the micro.

Micro action. Shorter than current "short" action.

What’s the OAL gonna be?

Im not sure off the top of my head. I have been shooting a 16" threaded with a tiny suppressor, so "short". I also have an 18" light barrel.

I think he's asking about the maximum OAL of the ammo that will work in the magazine. How long is the magazine box?

Right on.

Thanks Chris.

Sounds "rough".

Laughing!..............

Yes, what are the dimensions of the mag box?

Sweet. Mag box OAL is THE deciding factor now. Thanks TN!

Anything else coming along in the Fieldcraft for 2019?

Receiver length interests me more.

If it's the 308 receiver shoe-horned...then the sky is the limit.................

I cannot remember the exact dimension off the top of my head so please don't burn me down if this is not accurate but, I believe it is .060" over SAAMI max. There is enough room (relative to throat geometry) to load several bullets to touch lands.

That being said, I would not get too wrapped up about that dimension exclusively. The rifle has very good throat geometry that has proven to shoot a variety of bullet shapes equally well. That is always the goal, after safety and reliability of course.

I have shot so many rifles that are capable of extreme precision with generous bullet "jump" that I don't make decisions based solely on that dimension. Its purely about output. Small groups, or statistically-better low radial SDs, low velocity SDs, consistency across temps. Performance, not theoretical numbers.

I understand if you had a 3" mag box you could seat a 90 grainer way out there. There is a point of diminishing returns with so little fuel behind it. Might as well go 22-250/22 Creedmoor at that point.

I have been shooting factory-loaded full 5.56 pressure Mk262 and its fantastic.

Is the magazine box blocked off or simply a little longer than SAAMI length, and as long of a box as will fit in the micro action? A mag length ~.060 over SAAMI really isn't going to work, as it just doesn't allow room for the longer bullets. The issue isn't so much with bullet jump as it is maximizing capacity. 75-90 grain bullets work awesome in the 223, especially when loaded to acceptable lengths (say 2.45-2.5"), and it would be a darned shame to build a rifle with quick enough twist for those bullets, yet not be able to take full advantage of them due to trying to squish the rounds into too short of an action. If the magazine box can't be lengthened, then I fear Barrett has screwed up bigly - and should've just built the 223 on a regular short action. If the magazine can be lengthened, I'll be first in line to buy one.

I would be just as happy seeing the 223 in a regular short action as a micro action---particularly if it gives you a longer magazine. Seems like a no brainer to me.
R

Yep. If the actions aren't built with a long enough magazine to take advantage of heavies, what's the point of buying one?

Might as well just use a ~ 2.8" magazine on the regular short action, too....I mean factory ammo will work with a 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor, why bother with 3"? 180s are a waste in the 7mm-08 too, need a 7mm Mag to shoot them...diminishing returns and all

2.250" COAL is where it's at in 223!

Hint.

LAUGHING!............

It's all about RPM/BC/COAL in the 223 and 2.25" is just sad. Hint.

More like pathic, as I don't see anybody else coming along anytime soon with a 2.5" internal mag box..
And they but a 1:7 on their short box .223 and go from a 1:7 in their 22-250 to a 1:8??
Genius..

You Do NOTHING Kchunts are a hoot!

Hint.

Laughing!..............

When did you make the P100?

I see all those targets you shot at 50yds, but I don't see your name on the CMP site. Or the NRA or any other organization's site. No national records, no match reports. You must have got your feelers hurt coming in last.

Oooopsie!..............

All that money spent on equip, not a thing to show for it. Sad.

Alpha sucks. Those flash holes look like Woody Woodpecker punched them

LOVE the "enthusiasm" from the side lines. HINT!

Alpha doesn't make BR or Grendel brass.

Re-Hint.

LAUGHING!...............

Yes, that was a strange decision. Barrett changed the 22-250 to a twist that compromises bc on the heavies, yet twists the 223 for heavies but doesn't chamber it in an action with a long enough mag box to use them. I'd like to hear their justification.

I'm also curious about the reasoning behind a micro action to begin with....the Fieldcraft is already a tiny action. Build the normal short action with 223 feed rails and a small bolt face, slap in a 2.5" mag box with a spacer, maybe move the bolt stop forward a skosh. Voila, Fieldcraft 223. Works for the guys wanting factory ammo, works for the guys wanting to shoot longer rounds. But I suppose that would be harder to market than a new micro rifle.

While we're talking about Fieldcraft twists: What was the point in a 1 in 9 for the 25-06, which doesn't have a readily available commercial bullet that will be able to take advantage of the faster twist, yet they chamber the 270 in 1 in 10 barrels, with the 170 eld on the shelf?

I hope they go 2.5 on the micro mag box. That'll give that action some workable options in other chamberings. The full range of grendel's, a 7 twist 6x47 for 105's, and a blackout with room would all be fun. I'd pass on a 6.8, I've no idea how the 6.8 is still hanging on and the military is still talking about a 6.8 of some kind when much superior ballistics are easily found just a little ways on either side.

Bb

The 6.8 actually has more case capacity than the Grendel. It's just handicapped by mag length. It would benefit even more than the Grendel from a longer mag box & action.

The 6.8 would benefit more by being necked down to 6.5 or up to 7mm than anything.

Bb

No plans to burn you down. I appreciate your input. I sure hope you're wrong though.

Lots of rifles will shoot lots of bullets with jump. A short mag box just limits options. Longer mag box (and action port/bolt stop to match), even if the barrel has a short throat, is no limit at all.

Fieldcraft micro-action mag box internal length is 2.436" (SAAMI max + .176")

Sorry my number in earlier post was way off.

Keep in mind, just because you can fit a 2.43" OAL cartridge into the magazine does not mean your selected projectile will not slam into the throat way before that length.

That's very good news! I'll go out on a limb and postulate that an 88 grain ELD won't slam into the throat before that length

PLEASE get Big Stick going on about flash holes and primer pockets again. That was classic! 😂

Barrett needs to listen to the above.
R

Barrett is listening and has it covered. The micro action has a 2.436" internal mag dimension. The action is the same diameter as the current short and long so same mounts work, it is only shorter. The whole deal with FC is optimizing the size of the components around the chambered cartridge. No extra bulk.

Might work, I load 75 amaxes at 2.435 in my 700 223 ai. It's an 8 twist 3 groove pac-nor faux Ti. I've had it about 10 years and it still likes the same load length it started with. I shot a coyote with it the other day.

Bb

Up for Bill Wilson.

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