Anyone besides myself run into issues with a shneider barrel order?
Sending it back for the second time tomorrow. Very basic oversites on Gary's part(like length & diameter).
Now,(because of all these setbacks~5mo+2more)I'll be lucky to even finish the rifle project, as my gunsmiths must be questoning MY integrity by now.
Just curious if I'm alone on this one?
What would you do? Order a Hart?

Can you say PAC-NOR? Would have been my first choice from the get go.

Thought of PAC-NOR first. But through communication with them, it didn't take long to figure out that they either wouldn't or couldn't ensure or verify internal dimensions. Common with most insta-barrel makers. And exactly why half the people shooting them either love 'em or aren't impressed at all. To me, thats no better than factory. Abstract.
For instance, I wouldn't trade the factory barrel on a browing A2 of mine for 10 kriegers, simply because I already know that by pure miracle of miracles, its more accurate.
However, In building a new, hi-dollar custom, I'd take a Krieger over 10 PAC-NORS for the same money. Just because I know that I can pick up a phone, ask Krieger for basic internal dimensions, and they'll actually know!
This may or may not be right for my project, but at least I'll know up front rather than chancing the abstract.
Unfortunate for me, krieger wouldnt work in this case.
Schneider would have. Unfortunate for me again.

Be curious to know which demands couldn't be met?..................

I have two of Schneider's barrels. Top shelf all the way! Al

Schneider makes the best "button rifled" barrel for my money.
When I shop barrel makers, I want an outfit that makes one barrel...Their very best, not grade A, B, or
C. Just sell me your best barrel. Outfits like Kreiger
will throw grade B & C barrels in the trash. Pac-Nor will
sell them.

That said, my favorite barrels are cut rifled
Boots, Rock, Krieger, Morrsion all make me happy.

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Lovely story,but you answered nothing.

What demands couldn't be met?................

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This is a cut and paste from Pac-Nor's website:
"PAC-NOR manufactures two grades of barrels, 'Standard-Match' and 'Super Match' with tolerances uniform from one end to the other, bore diameters within .0003 and grooves within .0001. "

"PAC-NOR has the capability to make barrels with special requirements such as twist, rifling configuration, and bore and groove dimensions. We have made barrels for various ballistic labs, and arms and ammunition manufacturers. Since most of the tooling must be specially made, this type of work is done only on a written quote basis. Please supply us with drawings for your requirements by mail or fax so that we may accurately process your quote."

I�m assuming then that the .0003" and .0001" variances refer to a plus or minus tolerance dimension from one end of the tube to the other, but that the actual diameter from which these figures vary could be anywhere within .005� of what the buyer specifies? So if you say you want a barrel with an exact groove diameter of .3080" you might get one from .3075" to .3085"?

Based on the second quote it is curious why you got the �we don�t care, go away� attitude. Not saying yea or nay as obviously I wasn�t there, but that doesn�t sound like them. Especially when I understand the second quote to mean - "we can do it if you want to pay for it." Or perhaps I am misunderstanding something in your post?

I copy/pasted his Post and sent it to Chris and asked for his thoughts on the matter.

Am awaiting a reply and I'll share it...................

Just got off the horn with Chris,so as to confirn permission to paste his reply in entirety. Needless to say,he happily granted it(grin)and I quote:

{"As I can see from the way this written,the author has never made barrels,tell him from all of the Pac-Nor crew we will buy him a round trip plane ticket and we will strap a rubber apron on him a give him a real life experience,in barrel making.(no fooling) If he's agreeable have him contact me personally for arrival dates and plane schedules.Like the old saying "talks cheap,whiskey cost money" Chris S Dichter-President"}


Thought it only fair..................

ohohohohoh! I'll go!!!!
please, please...............................
come on, have a heart <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
woofer

Mikecr,

I'm just reading this thread for the education, but it seems a little odd you're doting on Schneider barrel dimensions and QA after receiving a couple that were incorrect.

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Mikecr,
Whatcha building anyways? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

Aha, the truth will out.

You talked to Penny - a very nice lady, but she is too busy eating the candy and smelling the flowers that Mtn Hunter sends her so he can get his barrels shipped in 8 days while the rest of us have to wait a couple of months. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Everything you say is suspect,when you change a tune that quickly.

Initially you stated some crass commentary that lead one to believe you'd submitted a blueprint that couldn't mechanically be met. Then when questioned,it became obvious that you were blowing smoke and you retreated hastily.

Someone once said you could bullshit the fans,but cain't bullshit the players. All apt,IMHO.

Ahhhhh...the power of the computer age................(grin)

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I think you just confirmed that you are both stupid AND funny. That respectfully submitted,as I don't impress easily.

What specs did you request,that couldn't be met? More interestingly,how did you measure them,to deduce they were askew?

Do I sense you wish to order a barrel,subject it to your mechanical aptitude(contouring/etc.) and hold them accountable for the end result?

I think if you stop now,you may be able to wait long enough to be taken with a copious amount of salt. Should you persist,ALL bets are off...................

mikecr

Just a heads up, there are some sacred cows around here with some posters. Some of the "sacred cows" are;

Pac-Nor barrels
Barnes bullets
Leupold scopes
Remington rifles

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Only because the proof is in the pudding..............

PLEASE tell me this is all a great ruse and you ain't really gonna tackle a turd polishing of that proportion?!!?

If it ain't,I apologize. Just don't be suprised when the kid hands it back and says "no thanks Pop"................(grin)

mikecr,
You are in for a big suprise. All the mumbo-jumbo about tight tolerances and what barrel maker can meet those specs does not mean your rifle is going to be a tackdriver. Several 'smiths have stated to me most button-rifled barrels such as Lilja or Hart have bores which are seldom centered...........but they shoot straight anyways. I don't know what you are building but there are plenty of barrelmakers out there who build benchrest quality barrels including Pac-Nor. Whichever one is the equivalent of a NASCAR built race engine is anybody's guess. Take a look at each of the shooting sport's categorys and you find a number of different barrelmakers in the winner's circle. In other words there are plenty to choose from..............

MtnHtr

mikecr,
Just read your post. 6mmWSM on a Savage action and a Harry Lawson stock.........engraving? Tell me this is a joke, are you serious?

Whatcha been drinking anyways?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

I'm just trying to cypher which of my azzhole DownSouth pards,is spinning this yarn for my amusement?

It'd rate a Good 'Un....................

Damn! I apparently stand corrected. There ARE folks who own punchbowls of that size.

My bad.................(grin)

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I think you should let him build what he wants, how he wants.



He said something I think most missed. Pac-Nor didn't give him the warm fuzzies. 'Nuff said in my book. That is an intangible that can mean more than many tangibles when it comes to making final selections. Pretty much all the major barrel makers can provide you with a superb tube. Finding one that inspires confidence is a good way to differentiate among otherwise worthy contenders, and a savvy marketing tactic for the mfg.



Lots of folks around here really dig Pac-Nor, and that's fine. But just because someone doesn't get the willies from the same set of componentry doesn't mean that he should be laughed off the board. If mike gets the warm fuzzies from a Savage action in something other than a Pac-Nor, I say good for him. Especially if it shoots, which it likely will.



The rest is aesthetics, and they don't make meat.



Hey Mike, stick around, and check out Krieger. Put whatever in that ug-leee Savage action if you must, then let us now how she groups. These guys all know their stuff, and are good folks to boot, but they have their biases, as we all do. I think it's time someone like you shows them something other than a 700/PacNor/McMillan/Leupold can shoot, as we all know that that formula regularly does (Stick is right on that score).



6-WSM? Shee-it. It ain't what I'd build, for sure, but I just talked to Dan at MRC, and I think a .338 WSM is next on my list. When's the crucifixion?



Don't give in mike. The jackals will calm down once they see you ain't a'feard.



Rick

I'll get the recliner and sit back. Popcorn, anybody?

And one other thing. In the immortal words of Forrest Gump:

"Stupid is as stupid does."

I bet she'll shoot. Might be ugly as hell, but she'll shoot.

Rick

This must be out of some movie for you Stick...the Perfect Joke or sumthin like it. Let's see...Newbie fella here disses PACNOR, wants top-notch accuracy, disses PacNor, and to top it all of, he wants to build a Custom Savage. Did I mention he dissed PacNor?
I am not taking sides here...forget it. I own a Savage, after all. But man, this is gonna be laughing material for a long while. Good stuff to poke at Stick...

And one final thing.

It won't be PINK! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Rick

Rick,

I TRULY think it's one of my pards sitting in his recliner,swilling toddies,while jerkin' chains via the lap top.

GOTTA be and I'm on the horn trying to savvy who the crank yanker is................

I love a thread where hitting the refresh button just keeps it rolling!

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mikecr,... eerr barrel burners anonymous,

Sounds good enough if that floats your boat! I do want to see pictures of that baby when she's completed right here on this forum. I'll even post em for ya.

And I apologise for the wisecrack on whatcha been drinking, hell I don't even drink and dig purple swirlys! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

About the only moves I can see left,are to top it with Burris,use Lee dies and bemoan Re-propellant series short comings.............

And you know it won't like X Bullets, don't ya?

Guy down the road from me as a reamer and dies for the 6WSM. He hasn't built one yet, but a pard of his did for long range varmints/coyotes. He like the accuracy enough that he used it to take a bull elk with an 87gr Vmax in the melon. Definitely not what I would consider a proper elk rifle, but he made meat with his just as I did with mine.

Just went to the Pac-Nor website, don't see why mikecr could not get a SS Supermatch from em all done up in 6WSM in a short time. Awhile back they were offering barrels ready configured for the Savage bolt guns due to their switch barrel nature. They have a 6WSM reamer too.

MtnHtr

And it will be packed with a diamond encrusted 3pc cleaning rod,that does double duty on knife blades.

Ahhhhh...I love this place.................

Well dude it aint me. Am getting a kick out of this myself. But you gotta quit dissin the savage. Ugly as hell you are correct. But mine shoots. And yes I am having some custom work done on her after season. But what I am wondering is this. Isnt it true that most times ten rifles of the same make and caliber will not shoot the same load exactly the same? And some may not even shoot it at all? Am I correct in thinking that EVERY rifle has its OWN "personality" as far as what it likes to be fed/

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Some grey area there.

I'll concur on the black/white,that Savage has the corner on ugly.

Now as far as multi rifles responding well to a like load,I'd say it is quite "doable" to assemble a rifle geared expressly to a single load. Something on the order of the M118LR fodder is so doable,as to be mundane.

That doesn't mean that accuracy can't be improved via load development,just that good performance IS predictable.
While personalities certainly exist,there are also traits that dictate a good rifle fed good ammo,will do good things routinely.

No "Tactical" Rifles are fed handloads,for liability concerns,as an example.

That which floats,cain't be taken toooooo seriously...................

If you have "no expectations for the rifle's accuracy",why multi Posts on the nuances of micro internal bore dimension tolerancing?

A single shot that "feeds",don't rate accolades. Even in a Savage................

Lose the barrel nut,with the replacement tube simply correctly headspaced to the receiver in typical fashion WITHOUT the nut.

A couple scritches in the metal,ain't gonna take the eye from that abortion..................

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I wonder why everyone else can do it,yet you can't?

The buttons on your phone aren't big enough?............

Is this possible? Please tell me yes. And if so can Pac-nor do it?

Of course. ANYBODY can do it. Nothing special to a proper headspaced barrel,tensioned to the receiver.

The nut ain't magical. Just ugly..................

mikecr......let me throw another thought your way.

John Lazzeroni puts Schneider barrels on his premium line of rifles that he sells for more than $5K and everyone knows that his rifles are built for "speed". I find it hard to believe that John would risk his reputation using less than a superior barrel.

mikecr,
A pard recently had a favorite revolver done up with some metal carvings by these guys: web page Turnaround was pretty fast, I'm not in the know on such things but have attempted a few scratches or two on my irons with a hammer and chisel. I was not too proud so I filled em in with silver solder and got a pretty good match. I've been dreaming of having a scene etched in my latest 300WM barrel of a huge brown bear squashing Big Stick and his pink rifle. Does anyone know of a way to add pink color to engravings??? Testor's model airplane paint ain't gonna cut it!!

MtnHtr

Mikilesser, let me see if I got this straight. You are all horned up on a Savage action that is mass produced with a "take it or leave" attitude from the manufacturer. They are manufactured with the thought that ten thousandths of an inch in bolt play is okay. You are crying over getting a barrel with MAYBE one or two THOUSANDTHS of difference in the entire barrel length, which you have no way of measuring to be sure they are wrong. And you still want to put said barrel on an action that FULLY has ten thousandths of slop for and aft of the bolt lugs AND bolt race ways?????? Say it ain't so, but you fixed it with your back yard "borden bumps".....ROTFLMAO!!! That should look mighty fine and I am sure those bumps were measured with first class equipment...right???? OH and the stock, oh hell the stock. Where did you come up with that gem for your barrel burner wisbanger that you plan on shooting 5 barrels out of in the first year???? Give some of us a break....our sides hurt. You are going to put all this precision stuff that you have scabbed together, then bed it yourself in a POS stock???? Well, I think the rock chucks are safe. Good luck on your turd. I haven't laughed this hard since the last dude said he was getting 3,200 fps out of his 7mm-08 with 140 grain bullets. For all the money that turd polishing is gonna cost you, why don't you buy a custom action, Oh wait, you made one out of a savage, my bad <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Damn, I love this place!!!!!!!


Let me guess....another PA resident?

'bout time ya got here Spike!

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I might be late to a party, but you're guranteed I'll show up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

This is getting good and wouldn't miss it for anything. Am thinking I might even learn something about bedding a stock. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

What I'm dying to know,is how your sidekick,in the Post above thinks a barrel works?

I quote(pay attention here,'cuz it's beautiful) "I didn't ask for superior consistancy or tight tolerances from the P-word maker, but rather controlled tolerances. Not to exceed a certain value".

I'm hoping he solicits outside work,because I wanna give you an Xmas present(GRIN)

Then it gets "Technical" and I again quote(fasten your seat belt,as this is a doozy!) "As I stated, further work was to be done which would not work if specified dimensions were exceeded".

It is that fluent flow of mechanical genius,that gives the onlookers a warm fuzzy feeling,that the first shot outta this contraption is gonna be right up to snuff.

Wouldja want that glass bedded or simply to go???............(grin)

mikecr,

If you're planning on having the Blackstar treatment done, why don't you just buy one of their barrels and be done with it, or did they stop selling their barrels. In fact, I thought I heard somewhere that Blackstar wasn't doing the polishing and tapering treatment for the public anymore. Am I misinformed?
The guy you need to talk to is Silver Bullet. He has a Blackstar barrel on one of his rifles and speaks highly of it.

I guess the other thing I'm curious about- how much shooting do you plan on doing that you plan on "going through a lot of barrels"? What type of shooting puts that much ammo through a barrel in a short time? Just curious more than anything else.
Also, if you're planning on putting this much money and time into a Savage actioned rifle, (custom stock, Blackstar barrel, engraving, Borden bumps?, etc....) what the heck are you having a PGW TI rifle built for? Or the other way around?


Methinks there is a bit of pulling of legs going on here? I also think I need a REALLY big piece of chocolate cake about now. Anyone want to join me?- Sheister

Sheister,

Am getting a lot of giggles here. But I'd be honored to share chocolate cake with you...the9.3Guy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Speaking of engraved Savages, here's one, ready-made, that is still looking for a home. This will be someone's rifle nirvana <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976392138.htm

That about sums up this entire thread!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO

MM,
I sure wish my project (engravings via BFH) would have turned out that nice!! May need to purchase some videos! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

MM,

Every time I see that engraved and dolled up POS, I realize he spent so dammed much money on the metal work, he didn't have enough left for a decent piece of wood. What an ugly stick of wood on that thing! On top of that, look at the lousy inletting job on the bolt handle! You could drive a truck through the gap and shape of that opening.

Looks like someone had WAAAAAYYYYYY too much time on their hands one day and smoking something illegal to boot! I laugh every time I see that picture. Even more so when I saw the price! - Sheister

It seems your 'pard' left with his feelers hurt and his tail tucked firmly between his legs. Good going all you ankle biters <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Yip! Yip! YIPYIPYIP!!!!

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Dang, can't believe he took his marbles and walked....I was looking forward to learning some bedding techniques since he's done......two.

I feel it a great loss too.

My curiousity was much piqued,with the subtle ability to etch something alongside the receiver and allow the hurking barrel nut to wispfully melt away from the mind's eye.

I wonder how big of a golden dung heap one would be forced to inlay,in order to steer the peepers from the gihugic barrel torsioning/headspace correction device,firmly affixed at the barrel/receiver's junction?

That'd been a golden heap of doody,to pull that 'un off. Troubled here,as I just cain't picture it,though I'm sure it were a doozy.......................

Boy, this is a tough crowd! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I don't think I'll ever post a pic of my self taught engraving/chisel work now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Does anyone know if titanium takes engraving well? Maybe if I try a BFH made of titanium and a....................

MtnHtr
Master Chiseler

I don't think even King Tut had enough gold at his disposal,to knock the ugly off'n a Savage...............(grin)

Big Stick,

Dang, you guys really disappointed me. I was thinking for my next project I was going to get a 788 engraved, have gold inlays added, then have the factory stock checkered by some master stock maker !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

(actually, truth be known, I had a 788 in 22-250 for quite a few years and the dang thing was a shooter)

Tony.

Simple case of morons running off one of their peers.

What makes you clowns so great? I would think, you could have helped this guy if you had wanted to. The word ankle bitter does fit most if not all of you in this thread.



Dan

Yea Stick, and another thing, I thought somewhere you said Abolts had cornered the market on ugly??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dan,

There was no helping that car wreck. If'n you are dead set on saving the world,you missed a most opportune chance.

Gotta go put my red nose on,I got a show to do...............

AJ,

It's got the market cornered,for the folks with sense enough to not opt the Savage................(grin)

I, by great misfortune, missed reading the posts that were deleted, so from personal experience on this site, I surmised the content. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dan

Harry Houdini conferring with Rasputin,could not have surmised the Technical tidbits that were unfortunately deleted.

It were a gem.....................

Any of you artsy folks give a guy a price to engrave a turd on a savage action? Gold enlayed of course. I want to build a gift for a friend .....

THE marketing idea of the century! Hold on we are about to get rich! We need to make a mold to freeze a brown ice turd to float in high-falutin' fancy folks' party punch! Now that would have to sell better than a Ronco Rotisserre!

Black Cloud
Would help defray expenses if that object d' art is headed where I suspect it might be <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> How about ivory inlays scrimmed with fragrant feces afloat instead? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
art

Ok which one of yall's 700s I gotta outshoot with my ugly assed savage to get some respect around here?ROFLMAO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Yeah they are ugly but please dont rub it in. Am definitely getting mine gelded after hunting season. Then maybe Stick will quit picking on it.

savage12bvss300wsm,

I think you got it backwards. Remington owners should be coming to you about asking on how to get respect. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> When the Savage is mentioned as being ugly, kindly point out which company makes the model 710. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

First and foremost I am a remington shooter. I love them. I bought the savage because they had what I was looking for:300wsm, 26" heavy barrel, SS barrel and action, laminated stock. And it didnt cost a fortune. I do not buy guns to look at. I want what I want in an accurate functioning rifle. Now if remington could have met those criteria I would have bought one no questions asked. But they dont so i bought a savage. Guess their picking is just a way to say it will out shoot mine but it is ugly. At least I dont have a PINK stock on mine. Wonder if Stick puts lipstick around the muzzle to compliment that pink stock? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Savage, I have seen some pix of stick here on the board and he has a lot of nerve calling anything ugly lol. tom

Tom,

I can PROVE that...............(grin)

LOL. tom

I can attest that Stick doesn't use lipStick on his muzzle, He's into lip gloss with sparkelies <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Looks like it is bash Big Stick day on 24 hour !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Tony.

Pile on boys...............

I'd get in on it but he's much too nice a guy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Wonder if he wears a tu-tu with matching leotards?Really ROFLMFAO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I know Stick is a nice guy and I trust his opinion over most but damn this is fun.

I keep tuning into "Most Extreme Challenge" on SpikeTV, hoping to catch a glimpse of Stick wearing a dress and a helmut, flying through the air on a rope, trying to "stick" himself to a wall while a crowd of chins cheer him on.

Laughing my ass off at that mental picture (grin)!!!

And they thought he was buying those fish-net pantihose to use as mini gamebags <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I guess Enstein had his little quirks too....


We still love ya Stick

Al

You boys have zero comprehension of abuse,until you ride in a crummy 2hrs each way to work.

It can be brutal................(grin)

Enlighten this poor east-german boy....what's a crummy?

One of these:

Ah...I see. Looks like what my folks used to have. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I've rode in more than one cheese-box,countless six-packs,as many standard cabs,a school bus,a church bus,multiple boats,a herd of helicopters and lord only knows what I cain't recall this very second,in the process of getting to work.

All were "crummies",though some were certainly more crummy than others. There is a certain romance there,to all of it.................

Come on stick, fess up. You know the romance comes from being crammed into tight quarters with a bunch of stinky wood hounds for hours on end. All that bouncing and josseling around, the smell of saw dust and two cycle oil filling the air. The occassional bean fart getting dislodged from the bumpy road and filling the cool morning air with memories of last nights dinner. The aroma of morning coffee breath choking off the oxygen level after said fart. Oh yeah, you fellers really know your romance. Paints a heck of a mental picture <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Me thinks I am getting sick.....hurl! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Then you get back to Camp,run to the drying room to kick off your soaking duds and procure a strategic location next to the heat source,so you don't bolt on wet riggin' the following AM.

Then you sprint to the showers,so as to be able to take one with hot water. Donning duds ASAP,you race to the Cookshack,so as to score some hot grub for lunch,before it is slicked up.

Then you race back to your room,grab your assorted dirty laundry and sprint to the laundry,so as to procure a washing machine.

Then you race back to your room,hoping your roomie didn't swill the last of the jug and you then tally the day's scale and see how far backwards you went(grin).

Then you race to the Bullbuck's room,turn in your scale and head to the laundry,hoping to score a dryer for the sopping duds.

Then you race to the saw shop,to do your chain work and hope there is a vacant receptacle to plug your grinder in to.

Then you put your chains in your backpack and take it to the drying room,so some of the day's rain is knocked off of it and to determine if your duds had been moved away from the heat source(grin).

Then you run to the Cookshack to eat dinner and hopefully score the top of that barrel,instead of the bottom.

Then you grab a shot of coffee and race to the TV room,so as to score a seat close enough,so as not to require binoculars to view the day's news.

Then it's off to bed,a little sleep and you race to the [bleep] to grab a stall in the AM and throw a coupla elbows to gain access to a sink.

Then you race to the Cookshack,hoping for something warm and perhaps build a nosebag.

Then you race to the dry room,hoping to yield dry duds and a strategic location to bolt them on,instead of taking it on the chin from the pouring rain.

Then you grab your pack,nosebag and coffee bottle and try to score any seat except the one in the middle of the crummy,as you roll off to work and do her all over again.

Yep,there's some romance there. Must be why I love it?..............(grin)

Stick, your rendition of your romantic rutine "makes me so hawny!" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Flinch

Like a pard's song says: "It's a great life,if you don't weaken".

There are likely lesser ways to make a living. I dig that every damned day is an adventure. Boredom can't ever set in and there is always something noteworthy and it's often at someone's great expense.

Thick hide don't hurt none.............(grin)