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Would Steelhead or Calvin care to explain how a Browning BLR carried in such a manner could possibly go off accidentally?
-jeff

It take my last post back I just found one that topped it.

Mind your business. I was asking Steelhead.

Still dodging what you said, huh?

(yawn)

-jeff

Figured that would have sent you packing....

If you want to take a tumble while hauling around a broadhead unquivered that's your business. The simple fact is it's your own stupidity that will leave you digging it out of your gut.

When your torch your rifle off and remove your pards noggin' while carrying one in the tube it's your stupidity that got him killed.

BTW good luck with the jump shooting deer, elk or whatever else with the bow let us know how that turns out.

UM Zac,

It's amazing, isn't it.

off to church boys, to repent of my sins.... Maybe God will reveal to me that hunting with a hot rifle is smart?

Calvin,

I point my rifle at DEER, when I am hunting DEER. The safety comes off if it's a shooter. I don't point my rifle at movement, sounds, or anything else.

In short I'm a grownup who practices excellent gun handling.

To go backwards a bit, it seems that you are claiming NOW that you and Steelhead hunt in the following manner, and correct me if I'm wrong: see a deer. Use your binoc's or whatever to identify if it's a shooter. At that time, and only then, you chamber a round and point it at the deer.

OK, first off, come hunt blacktail in the rainforest in central western Oregon and see how much luck you have hunting that way. Hint: none. You think a buck 30 yards away is gonna stand there while you do all that, think again. You laugh at the idea that the sound of the safety coming off could be an issue, but I'm telling you it IS. It is so quiet, and the foliage is so dense, that you won't even see the deer unless it's close, and yes that metallic click has swiveled the ears of more than one deer when I've snicked that safety off. Chamber a ROUND at that point? Forget it.

So you are basing your whole pissing match on hunting where you hunt, in the conditions you hunt in, and don't seem to be able to comprehend how things could be different anywhere else. Again, that's a YOU problem.

Second off, I don't believe you anyway when you describe how you hunt! Here's how I think you do it. You see a deer, and as you've said in earlier posts "raise the rifle in a fluid motion while chambering a round". That's a synopsis, not a direct quote; I'll go get a direct quote if you insist. So now, YOU TOO are pointing a loaded rifle at a mystery deer, with the safety off no less! Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

My point was, and remains, in the text that you quoted above... that manipulating a loaded firearm (IE, loading and unloading it) is demonstratably when a large percentage of gun accidents happen. I think it's at least debatable that your practice, as you describe it, has as many safety "holes" in it as anything else. So while I don't have a problem with you or anyone else carrying unloaded, I don't think your own hunting/gun habits are as foolproof as you seem to think.

Finally, have you handled a Browning BLR? If so, explain to me how, specifically, it could fire with the hammer in the half-cock position and folded forwards. If not, I suppose I could post some pictures and try to step you through it. Because yes, I will rely on the engineered safety built into that rifle, combined with safe gun handling practices. Browning has staked a multi-million dollar company on the safety of that design, and smarter people than you or me engineered it. So since you are saying it's not safe, prove it! Explain to me how that gun could fire in that condition, in a hard fall or otherwise.

Hint: you can't.

-jeff

Maybe he'll teach you a little humility...

-jeff

Well, since you cant mind your own business-
Steelhead posted
"Dude, I can handle a 'missed opportunity' as opposed to a bullet in the head....."
he also posted
"I also don't hunt with me alone and a round in the chamber. One can go from flat footed to upside down in a hurry around here."

This was an in answer to a "what if" question posed to him. Seems to me, that Steelhead is suggesting that he would rather carry unloaded, then risk the chance of getting one in the head. Couple this with all the talk about dropping guns, tripping, it is easy to infer that Steelhead was talking about accidentally shooting himself. If one expresses a concern of shooting oneself by tripping falling, dropping ones gun, what have you, it is certainly safe to assume that one would be concerned about stabbing himself with an arrow, by tripping, falling, dropping ones bow.
Whether or not one can inflict damage on a bystander is irrelevant-one can shoot onseself in the head, one can stab ones self with a bow. Steelhead acknowledged that even when hunting alone, he still hunts without one in the chamber-so hunting partners is irrelevant. If one is worried about shooting himself, and therefore carries a rifle empty, one could certainly assume that one would carry a bow empty also....or not, I really wanted clarification from Steelhead.

OK, UM Zac, I'll add you to the list. Explain to us how a Browning BLR, carried hot with the hammer at half-cock and folded forwards, could possibly be induced to fire.

It can't, and you can't.

-jeff

Sounds like you're hitting the bottle in the wee hours with that language......make sure all the rounds are outta' the chambers...........

Casey

so this is where all the quotes are coming from....

Jeff,

You should change your handle to "Miss Information".

Perfect.....

Calvin,

You should realize that a sure sign of someone LOSING a debate is when all they can come up with is juvenile insults.

Just FYI.

-jeff

Oh... Calvin... still waiting for you to explain how my Browning BLR could be induced to fire a round with the hammer at half-cock and folded forwards...

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We can, and probably should, let this go. I'm tired of it and it's degenerated to the point of calling people girls and whatnot. The only reason I'm still wasting my time on you is that you basically insulted me (and the majority of hunters) by saying we were a danger in the woods. I take gun safety seriously, and in fact I'm the annoying guy in camp who "calls" other guys on their gun handling mistakes. So I don't like being told that I'm irresponsible when it's just not true.

So that's what got my gander up. At this point we're just acting like little kids. :-) Wanna let it go? I will if you will.

-jeff

I don't dispute the fact that you are the annoying guy (or woman) in camp.

Let it go? You just started another thread encouraging others to jump into the fray...

Read more, post less.

Love to stay and play, but I'm off to try to call in a big buck with a call I crafted last night.... Later

Quick Question for Jeff. Why does the safety have to be off in this situation?

You think it was good in '03, you shoulda been in 2000 and 2001 when people could disagree and be still civil toward one another. Foul language and name-calling were virtually unknown.

And no Calvin, my response is not directed specifically at you--it's a just a general observation.

I hope you guys find a cordial and peaceful resolution to this dispute.

Carry on.