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"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
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WHO IS JOHN GALT?
LIBERTY!
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Passed that around to my friends down here.
Thanks Rick.
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I was so convinced I returned my son's Mod 700 to him and said, "never mind." 
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Thank you Rick, but I fear the truth will be hard put to prevail against those with an agenda. miles
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I was so convinced I returned my son's Mod 700 to him and said, "never mind." Ok now....I laughed.
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I am curious about the lack of proper maintenance aspect. Has there been any research into rating the fire control designs of the major brands as to the relationship between poor maintenance and inadvertant discharge? Put another way, has any brand been proven to be safer/less safe than others when subjected to harsh conditions?
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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Guessing that "open" designs like the original M77s, M70s, Savage 110s etc, are less prone to collecting/holding gunk, than enclosed ones like the M700s?
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good video.
but
It left me with a question;
Is it ever safe to adjust a Rem trigger and if so who can do it?
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That which does not kill us makes us stronger
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Wow, I had no idea the guilty Montana 700 was so hammered and nasty. Put away wet? Whose fault is that?
I guess this is one of those times where I'm glad the "legacy media" can no longer meter our information.
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It's kind of like labeling all pre-fuel injection automobiles as "flawed by design" as a person could monkey with fuel control settings and burn the damn thing up. I could "adjust" the straps on a life-vest or safety harness to where the tag end hanging from the buckle is only 1/16". If that strap turns loose at a bad time I suppose it is the fault of the manufacturer. Plain to see for anybody who knows what they are looking at....
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This should be viewed by everyone and Mr Belk should find another job.
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Mr. Belk has graced us with his presence. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/users/40410Just joined up yesterday. Should we all give him a big Campfire welcome? Nope!
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I'm not one of the Chosin Few but no more remarkable group of Americans ever existed.
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Saw the video and read the transcript months ago. It was a carefully scripted version prepared by Remington lawyers who did a masterful job of not quite telling the whole truth. Remingtons have been doing this since the 1960's, long before CNBC existed to have an agenda.
If anyone watched the CNBC program and learned anything new they are either new to shooting, or have been living under a rock for 30+ years.
The pre-2007 Remington trigger is a flawed design. I've seen a perfectly clean 700 with a factory trigger drop the firing pin with no pull of the trigger. While it is extremely rare, and more likely to happen with a dirty or modified trigger, it can happen at any time to any 700. Remington knows this and has simply been deflecting the issue by trying to blame the shooters.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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Off topic, but this video shows that here are some people out there who can't shoot. Look how some of those shooters are lifting their heads and/or flinching.
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I have a Model 700 Long Action that is one of those culprits that has gone off on its own... mine has done it 3 times since I bought it in 1980...Its an ADL..
the last time it did that, a friend was unloading it and it shot a brand new Chevy pickups custom bed and paint job...
Since then, I rebarreled it and have used it as a single shot, and pretty much for range duty and a small amount of varmint shooting...I also had the chance to buy a trigger than someone took out to replace with a Timney.. and it hasn't done it since..
however I have never been on the door step whining to Remington...but it has motivated me to buy Savage, Winchester or Ruger over Remingtons...
but on a rifle that has done that, I think it is the responsibility of the owner to send it back to Remington, or repair the problem on their own...
the first time mine went off, it was over my shoulder and the barrel pointed at the ground and the bullet hit about an inch behind my heel...that shook me up...
so I returned it to Remington and they said it was in specs and nothing was wrong... but because of that problem of those 3 times, I admit, I have no intention of selling it and sticking someone else with the problem...
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I have a Model 700 Long Action that is one of those culprits that has gone off on its own... mine has done it 3 times since I bought it in 1980...Its an ADL..
the last time it did that, a friend was unloading it and it shot a brand new Chevy pickups custom bed and paint job...
Since then, I rebarreled it and have used it as a single shot, and pretty much for range duty and a small amount of varmint shooting...I also had the chance to buy a trigger than someone took out to replace with a Timney.. and it hasn't done it since..
however I have never been on the door step whining to Remington...but it has motivated me to buy Savage, Winchester or Ruger over Remingtons...
but on a rifle that has done that, I think it is the responsibility of the owner to send it back to Remington, or repair the problem on their own...
the first time mine went off, it was over my shoulder and the barrel pointed at the ground and the bullet hit about an inch behind my heel...that shook me up...
so I returned it to Remington and they said it was in specs and nothing was wrong... but because of that problem of those 3 times, I admit, I have no intention of selling it and sticking someone else with the problem... Saw the video and read the transcript months ago. It was a carefully scripted version prepared by Remington lawyers who did a masterful job of not quite telling the whole truth. Remingtons have been doing this since the 1960's, long before CNBC existed to have an agenda.
If anyone watched the CNBC program and learned anything new they are either new to shooting, or have been living under a rock for 30+ years.
The pre-2007 Remington trigger is a flawed design. I've seen a perfectly clean 700 with a factory trigger drop the firing pin with no pull of the trigger. While it is extremely rare, and more likely to happen with a dirty or modified trigger, it can happen at any time to any 700. Remington knows this and has simply been deflecting the issue by trying to blame the shooters. You guys are wasting your time by providing not only facts but personal experiences with the 700 aficionados. Whilst the chances are extremely slim of an AD and or the rest of the 700's shortcomings, you'll just be labeled a Remington hater. I own ONE 700, a 22-250 heavy barrel SS varmint rifle. Superbly accurate, but I use it exclusively on ground hogs from a fixed position and as a single shot mostly. jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I have trouble giving any credibility to someone who claims something happened 3x, and didn't do a damn thing to fix it. A trigger swap is easy and cheap.
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Seafire,
Lets look into the future a bit, after you've passed away and that gun becomes a part of your estate. What happens then, if its passed on to a relative or sold at auction?
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