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I had to inlet room for the Timney and relieve some of the floor plate near the trigger, no hill for a climber. I had to bend and shape the safety lever to fit the slot in the receiver.
The only real problem was web thickness. The bottom of the striker slot to the bottom of the action was a bit thicker than the Timney could handle. The striker would slip over the sear and jam the gun. I got a taller sear from Timney, but it didn't work right.
I then took material off the top of the Timney aluminum housing, starting at about half way, tapered to maybe .08" removed at the rear, allowing the trigger housing to ride higher against the bottom of the action, giving more height to the original sear. That did the trick, compensating for the thick web.
So, it wasn't the easiest to fit, but worked out OK with some ingenuity and a good file.
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Wow man very nice work there! I am impressed!
What a great rifle. It'll serve you well for a long, long time!
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Thanks AGAIN,DF. A Timney's not something I'll be doing soon but with the info you posted I'm sure I can install it. First a bbl.
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I have a Husky 640 barreled action that I've been trying to chase down a stock for. All original except for a Timney trigger. The 640 has a safety on the bolt so a Timney sans safety works just fine.
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Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them.
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Is that the large ring 98 that Husky sold for a period of time?
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I have a Husky 640 barreled action that I've been trying to chase down a stock for. All original except for a Timney trigger. The 640 has a safety on the bolt so a Timney sans safety works just fine.
Paul B. Checked it out on line. That's an FN Mauser action the HVA used to build some of their rifles. Any 98 Mauser stock should be easily adaptable to your action. DF
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Is that the large ring 98 that Husky sold for a period of time?
DF Yup! It's early enough that it has the three position flag type safty and has never been drilled and topped for a scope. I have it sitting ina J.C. Higgins M50 stock that came with the M50 I got in .270 Win. that is now a 7x57. The guy I got th .270 from was a very small statured dude and he's cut the stock down to fit him. Even with a slip on recoil pad the stock is still too short for me and I'm not all that big a person myself. I'm gonna have to have it drilled and tapped so I can put a scope on it and see how it shoots. My eyes just can't see the front sight at all anymore. One of the sid effects of getting old I guess.  I will say this about tht 640 though. Ithe only rifle I've ever owned that had a slicker action than the 640 was my 6.5x54 M/S that was stolen many years ago. If that Husky is a good shooter I'll leave it alone. Ain't any flies on a 30-06. If it doen't shoot, I'll have it rebored into either a 338-06 or .35 Whelen. Paul B.
Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them.
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Sounds like a plan to me.
You got lotta options on handles, depending on if you want a classic, walnut or a synthetic. I don't think drilling it is going to hurt value, as it's not a pre-war commercial Mauser or such. It's a shooter and a good one at that.
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Update on the HVA project. With a light weight '06, I was looking for lighter bullets for more manageable recoil. I tried several combinations, but this one seems hard to beat. 130 gr. Ralph Council bullets ahead of 59 gr. Big Game with W/W cases and WLR primers at around 3,000+ fps. Haven't clocked it yet. ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/HVA30-06001.jpg) Now, that could be luck, as I only fired three rounds. You can believe I've already loaded another batch. And, I know, this doesn't fit all the rules. The '06 doesn't shoot light bullets as accurately as heavier ones and there isn't a full caliber of bullet engagement in the case neck. And Council bullets are benchrest fodder, not hunting bullets. (Ralph did say they work good on game.) And, the crown on this rifle is hand done with a hacksaw and a hand tool from Brownells. It has a very carefully executed, concentric eleven degree target crown, using a padded vice, not a lathe. This was necessary to clean up the wear and tear at the end of the barrel. And, it's just an old Husky barrel, not a high end replacement. Although after the "circumcision", the bore looks pristine thru the Hawkeye scope. Oh well...  What can I say...  DF
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Distance closer to 100 meters, as yardage was around 110 or so per Leica rangefinder.
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Actually I sold it to SH when he was in AK and then he passed it on.......
Shame the 456 stock broke.
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Guess I got the story turned around, somewhat. Like they do in Hollywood, when myth varies from fact, print the myth... The account was complicated enough, even before I added to the confusion...  I want to thank you for your help and encouragment with a neat project... DF
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I was traumatized by the original sale but sometimes you have to do those kind of things. I know the kid was grateful that his college expenses were paid with the proceeds.
Your welcome. I still have the broken stock. I'm going to try and piece it together sometime.
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Here's a picture of the hand crafted crown. Not the best focus but it looks clean and sharp thru the borescope. Originally a Mannlicher, this barrel had enough length beyond the front sight to allow for the aforementioned "surgery". ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/30-06011.jpg)
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Karnis,
I'm interested in the Mannlicher vs. conventional stock set up regarding optimal groups. With 6#'s of upward pressure on this very light barrel, full barrel bedded along with the receiver, it would seem to me that this is probably better for tight groups than the full length wood stock.
How precise was this '06 with the original, factory Mannlicher stock? Forbes, from what I've read, does a full length barrel bedding on his rifles. No pretense on knowing how he does his magic with his very fine rifles, just currious about the principle of full length bedding of very light tubes with upward pressure. This would seem to dampen the barrel vibrations and assist in tight groups.
Your thoughts.
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I've not worked on a Forbes stock but hear they are stiff as wood pecker lips. That along with properly done neutral bedding produce accurate rifles (good barrel, etc.)
I didn't shoot the rifle much but it would do 1" 1-1/4" with Hornady Interlock FB and H4350. It was FL bedded from rear tang to muzzle.
Thin barrels will shoot as well as fatter ones just not quite as long (sustained strings).
One thing that I do quite a lot is shoot with a tight sling. Try that with a FL bedded wood stock and you'll change the pressure on the barrel, resulting shots will lower and right or left. Lower by how much who knows. I was told once that I should practice shooting using a sling and a FL bedded stock-if the shot was low and to the right, then I knew how to compensate. How that person thought it was acceptable I don't know.
Good bedding, tight lug and FF regardless of the barrel contour is where it's at IMHO. Tight sling, no sling, ching sling, hasty, etc. won't affect where the first and subsequent ones go and that's really all anyone wanting confidence in a rifle should need.
Can't tell you the number of rifles I've had that shoot to the same POI whether I shoot them regularly or shoot them once a year. That includes wood and synthetics.
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Absolute wonderful conclusion to a potentially hellish beginning, well done everyone, helluva nice rifle DF.
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I've got the metal cap with screw that fits on the end of the Mannlicher stock, the vintage HVA butt plate with screws and the factory trigger/safety. If anyone can use these parts, some or all, let me know. Otherwise, they'll end up in my parts box, never to be heard from again... DF
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I've not worked on a Forbes stock but hear they are stiff as wood pecker lips. That along with properly done neutral bedding produce accurate rifles (good barrel, etc.)
I didn't shoot the rifle much but it would do 1" 1-1/4" with Hornady Interlock FB and H4350. It was FL bedded from rear tang to muzzle.
Thin barrels will shoot as well as fatter ones just not quite as long (sustained strings).
One thing that I do quite a lot is shoot with a tight sling. Try that with a FL bedded wood stock and you'll change the pressure on the barrel, resulting shots will lower and right or left. Lower by how much who knows. I was told once that I should practice shooting using a sling and a FL bedded stock-if the shot was low and to the right, then I knew how to compensate. How that person thought it was acceptable I don't know.
Good bedding, tight lug and FF regardless of the barrel contour is where it's at IMHO. Tight sling, no sling, ching sling, hasty, etc. won't affect where the first and subsequent ones go and that's really all anyone wanting confidence in a rifle should need.
Can't tell you the number of rifles I've had that shoot to the same POI whether I shoot them regularly or shoot them once a year. That includes wood and synthetics.
I agree with free floating and nearly every rifle I've bedded is set up like that. I chose full barrel bedding on this one due to the substantial barrel gap and very thin tube. It just seemed to be a good one for such treatment. I doubt it would shoot this tight with a free floated barrel. The only way to know for sure would be to free float it and see. As well as it seems to be shooting, I think I'll pass on that. I agree with sling tension altering POI. I once had a .257 Wby in a B&C Medalist, free floated, evidently not enough. I missed a deer at 200 yds, using a sling. The gun was dead on off the bench. The Medalist fore end wasn't stiff enough and the sling pulled the fore end against the barrel, causing the shot to strike away from contact. I had to increase the FF gap to keep that from happening. That rifle now is in a McWoody Sako Safari, also free floated. The McM is stiff enough to not require such a big gap. DF
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