501l in econ load was good till he switched from red federal hulls to brown fiochi hulls
the h517 is good in strait 7
if the op is gonna order from nitro ray
he better get em now
they go fast
and he is slow filling orders at times also
better if he could find a local dealer if any in his area
sometimes they sell individual shells and you can experiment and then decide if the cost is worth the pattern
and once you nail down which shell of nitro works
then buy a box of 25
cause you take the chance of ray changing components or not having components for the shell you like for years on end and you have very few left
or just go buy some Winchester longbeard shells .........
and kill em just as dead
