One of the points of the DOT torture is the need to know exactly your point of aim/impact at ranges that high precision would be mandatory.

Regarding my expectations I want the following:
Ability to be reliable when clean. I have always had to carry a clean gun and dont like getting nice clothes dirty for CCW, I clean and lube them then run 50 rounds through them 5 times for a total of 250 rounds.

Second is 250 straight. This is not huge volume but it tells me tolerances are enough to have lint, fuzzy, little bit of mother nature in the gun without tying them up. I dont ask a gun to run 1000's of rounds between cleanings but if thats what you need then go for it and you wont hear me complain.

Accuracy is a bit of a variable for me but I will take all I can for the confidence issue. My M&P was 4-5" at 25 yards from a barricade. I dropped an APEX barrel in this week and shot some obscenely good groups I will post when I get pictures. Some will complain about rebarreling a fairly new gun but I sure as heck have not found another combo of parts that will shoot as tight as it has for a total cost of about $600.


Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies.

"In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper